I've worked in Yellowstone and other national parks. I think you'll get in trouble and fast. It's federal land, so any crime commited is a federal crime. Even though weed is medically legal in Montana, even if you have your card, if you go to Yellowstone, or Glacier NTL park and get caught with your weed you will have to pay at least a 1000 dollar fine and or jail. The states have no jurisdiction in the parks, so I don't know who they were talking to about this but it doesn't seem true at all.
It doesn't have to be murder. It really can be any crime, but murder being the only _really_ plausible one. You can't rob a store, house, or any place because there are none. I guess you can kill animals off season. You could technically burn it all down and not be charged with arson. Those are the only real crimes I can think of.
No. It’s a bug that the devs forgot to patch when developing the game that allowed players to attack each other without their anti-cheat system (know by the devs under the alias of LAW”) detecting it and/or executing the proper function to deal with the issue.
Nostalgia Beats, oops shucks darn my dude, guess your service is down, another security breach. Guess I'll just play my Xbox safe and sound. Jk, love me some PS4
I find this a little disturbing considering at this moment there is a case of 2 missing children in the Lori Vallow case. One of the children were last seen at Yellowstone. Not saying that's what happened but it's a little fishy
Halpen the great you must be new to google+. Anyone can claim a name as their own, even if that name is already taken. It's how we have scam bots on big TH-cam's comments, pretending to be that TH-camr.
Easy... We build a prison in that little spot, and put that person in there. Since there's no crime in that spot, it's not a crime to kidnap and imprison him either :)
Without a jury, you cannot be found guilty of a crime. Up until you have been found guilty within a trial, you are innocent, only an "alleged murderer".
But if you do conatruct a prison and between the staff and prisoners you end up with 12 people (or just prisoners, assuming staff lives off-site), you've then got a jury pool. If course the prisoners would only convict the guards and acquit each other. Since the guards are now felons (they did unlawfully imprison unconvicted people) they can't be on ant future juries. There are other legal and technical problems with this idea but they aren't as funny as this catch-22.
The whole issue of this story is that if someone really did do something like this, the circuit court would immediately rule that "jury of peers" implies the nearest county _with_ peers and set precedent that would prevent it from ever happening again.
@@morganpritchard4177 it could go as far as the supreme court but as long as they rule that it is constitution then regardless of what the constitution actually says you could be tried, it's unclear what would happen if they ruled that the constitution was correct in it's wording and you couldn't be tried, but as a murderer you would never be able to leave jail until your trial, so it's not as foolproof as the video makes it out to be.
@@dillon8124Well actually I don't think they could hold you for life without a trial, I think they'd have to let you go eventually, because of due process and the right to a speedy trial
The constitution says plain as day what it says though. "State and District." Brian Calt published his article in 2005, one senator got alerted to this a few years later. Congress has been vaguely aware of this for nearly two decades and could have fixed it by now.
Thankfully, the supreme court interprets the rights denoted in the constitution, so in paper you could get away with crimes but in front of a supreme court justice you're going to be sentenced.
I think your missing the point. Because no one lives there, there can't be a jury, because there can't be jury there can't be legal trial, and without a trial even the U.S. President is blacked into a corner! Actually, what would happen, hypothetically, if you invited president Trump there and then you accidentally push him in front of a bear, so he tragically dies? 🤔
@@randomcommenter8873 😨 sorry CIA it was an accident, he thought it would be funny to cover himself in honey, and I'm like "well you gotta to do what you gotta do"
Or: How to make sure your murder trial is delayed for five years while this issue is sorted out, and you remain in jail waiting. Also, murder remains a federal crime.
A judge would probably hold his court anyways, but in the appeal you could demonstrate the judge actually had no court to hold, so theoretically you would be let go.
Zachary Henderson There you go. That is how the loophole is filled, kind of. But hey, they put All Capone away on tax evasion, and not his numerous other crimes.
an actual murder in here might be what's needed to motivate lawmakers to close the loophole. It's alot easier to motivate someone to fix a loophole like this if someone has already been shown to successfully exploit it
That’s how I got here, a link from another video about those poor kids !! I’m creeped out to know if I’ve been through there, I have to look at a map and see. 😳
Enourmousletters since you drove the person to the park, you premeditated the murder. I'm no lawyer, but I think that would be a crucial part of your case to prove if someone's guilty.
@@southwestbangers9913 I heard their first target was the stepdad's backyard but at the time there was lots of snow so it wasn't possible to search trough the backyard
What is my perfect crime? I break into Tiffany's at midnight. Do I go for the vault? No, I go for the chandelier. It's priceless. As I'm taking it down, a woman catches me. She tells me to stop. It's her father's business. She's Tiffany. I say no. We make love all night. In the morning the cops come and I escape in one of their uniforms. I tell her to meet me in Mexico but I go to Canada. I don't trust her. Besides, I like the cold. Thirty years later, I get a postcard. I have a son and he's the chief of police. This is where the story gets interesting: I tell Tiffany to meet me in Paris, by the Trocadero. She's been waiting for me all these years; she's never taken another lover. I don't care, I don't show up. I go to Berlin. That's where I stashed the chandelier.
District = a federal judicial district. So you’d either have to get the federal government to agree to create a new federal district in your state just containing the land you chose, or you’d have to kick everyone out of an existing federal district.
The Legend lol maybe? You’d probably have to be richer than any person in recorded history since each district contains close to a million people. So a million people times however much you’d have to pay them to relocate. Plus the state you were in would probably have concurrent jurisdiction to hear the federal claim in State court anyway, and the Federal government would probably just merge the evacuated land into an existing district. I think your best bet would be to get everyone to leave Rhode Island. Probably just cheaper to murder someone at that point.
This is why I love youtube. This whole video and all it's production quality was made on a platform where all of us press the same button and can publish a video. TH-cam is the a great example of free market doing it's thing.
They did that on purpose. They’re saying that if you plan a trip with a bunch of people you hate (but not enough that you want someone to turn up dead), maybe don’t go to the place where they could murder someone and get away with it.
The reality is it wouldn't be that glamourous..it would be like fishing..waiting for that bite..waiting for that next person to come into that 50sqm area..WAIT. I LOVE fishing! This is awesome 🤣🤣🤣
Here's the problem with this "legal loophole": a little concept known as "pre-trial incarceration", meaning that you are placed in prison up until your trial. Typically, this is used for people who have committed violent crimes and are likely to do so again. Committing a murder likely would place you into that category and you would be placed in pre-trial incarceration. However, because you cannot be tried, you would be in pre-trial incarceration for the foreseeable future, with no real way to be acquitted for the crime.
But part of your rights as the accused is the right to a speedy trial, so while you would probably be held for a while, they have to allow you the right to a speedy trial that you would obviously want to get out quicker
@@rickhaavisto9023 Well, yes, theoretically that's true. However, people have been held in pre-trial incarceration for years before their trial, and with no way to try you, that would probably happen to you.
@@bensundin Actually, this only works if defence waive speedy trial, otherwise, the state has exactly 90 days to arraign (so to set a trial day) you and 175 (or 178 I forgot which one and too lazy to look) days to try you. Anything more is unconstitutional, and defence can apply for a Habeas Corpus wit and you go free and cannot be tried again. There can be delay, either it has to be agreed by the defence or it's force majeure.
This argument almost had me until I recalled that in the federal areas (land owned by the U.S. government and under its sole criminal jurisdiction) Congress has plenary (absolute) jurisdiction over all things and inhabitants there. Ironically, my latest law book, i.e., America's Republican Form of Government, is perhaps the first to show that in these federal areas Congress legislates as a non-republic (read: dictator, monarch) and that one's rights are as "Congress has made those guarantees applicable." Hooven and Allison Co. v. Evatt. 324 U.S. 652, 674 (1945), That is, Congress determines our rights in the federal areas, which are defined at 8 USC 7. This means that Congress rules the federal areas as a dictator / monarch. In contrast, it must legislate as a republic toward the fifty states, where we have substantive rights [mostly in the Bill of Rights] to secure our natural rights of life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness. If you carefully read the 13th Amendment, you'll see that its prohibitions of slavery do not apply to the federal areas. If you read the 14th Amendment, you'll see that Due Process of Law and Equal Protection do not apply in the federal areas. Congress can enslave anyone it wants and can use just about any process it wishes there. This is because Congress determines which rights are applicable in the federal areas, just as would a king. Thus, according to the Hooven case as well as Palmore v. United States, 411 U.S. 389 (1973) the 6th Amendment may not apply in the federal areas, including the Zone of Death, unless Congress says that it does. As well, I could not find any U.S. statute that grants a legal right to a jury trial over capital crimes committed in the federal areas, where all rights come from Congress and where all crimes are defined by Congress. One's right to a jury trial in the federal areas are discussed in Schick v. United States, 195 U.S. 65 (1904) and District of Columbia v. Colts, 282 U.S. 63 (1930), but these matters are not conclusive over this issue. Last, because Congress legislates over the federal areas as a king or dictator, it can grant, deny or otherwise define a murderer's legal right to a jury trial in any manner it wishes. Thus, Congress could legislate that a murder committed in the Zone of Death be subject to a jury in another area, e.g. a jury in Cheyenne.
So those murders commited there could mean nothing if you have a very good layer and the luck of not being questioned too much by a state accusation attorney? Anyway, it's very intersting.
Your interpretation is very likely in violation of Article 1, Section 9 of the Constitution, which prohibits congress from passing a 'bill of attainder". Bill of attainder is legislation aimed at regulating a single matter (such as jurisdiction in one specific case).
they just can't give you a trial at the state level but they can still try you at the federal level so they would try you for murder outside of the state jurisdiction thus going around your loophole
@@idahojake3444 What if I were to carry an item with me? Would the trail be a feasible option? Will I be able to carry that item on the path without a problem? A big item? An almost... person-sized item. An item almost as heavy. An anti-breathing item. An item that looks like this. *shows picture of an old woman*
@@dietznuts8106 😂🤣😂 Well there's the trick, right? That no breathing item would have to have stopped breathing outside of this segment of the park. Sounds like the item you're talking about depositing would have a difficult time getting into that segment, breathing or not. It's not for the faint of heart, so to speak. Or is it...
I've worked in Yellowstone, the Grand Canyon and Glacier national park. What sucks about these areas is when you get in trouble, since it's federal land any kind of crime is a federal crime. So, for instance. Montana, has legalized medical marijuanna. However, even if you have your card and you're legit, once you cross the border into Glacier national park you're now on federal land and the state laws no longer apply and you get in a "LOT" of trouble for having weed. Expect at least a thousand dollar fine, and possible jail time. So, since you end up dealing with federal court for any crime commited, wouldn't that apply to murder as well? I know that since you're on federal land, if you had a warrant out for you in say.. Arizona but you were caught in Glacier NTL park in Montana you will be sent to whatever warrant you may have in Arizona. (I know because I've seen it happen to someone) Unlike if you were just in Montana, in which case if the warrant was for an unpaid fine or something small they will probably just let you go. All and all, I don't believe this is true at all. I could be wrong though, I only know of smaller crimes and the trouble I've seen people in. A DUI in a state park is no laughing matter, I've seen employees pretty much vanish for doing that. Or at least they would leave a drunken party in their vehicle and not make it to work the next day. But, yeah. I wouldn't recommend doing any crime in a national park. There are no slaps on the wrist there. So if you have a bit of green on you, make sure it's very well hidden because they can make you pull over as you're entering the park to search your vehicle.
**moves to the zone of death to mess up all your murder plans** AH HA! I DECIDE YOUR FATE! MUAHAHAHAHAHA. And in THIS evil plan, I don't have to deal with a corpse.
The main hole I see in the theory is this. There's little if anything in that zone; so most people wouldn't normally have a reason to go there. As such, the government would probably argue that a defendant formed the intent to commit a particular crime while the defendant was still outside the zone. And then, for whatever crime was committed inside the zone, they would just charge that person with "conspiracy to commit" or "attempt to commit" that crime in whatever jurisdiction the government felt that the original intent was formed. They wouldn't be convicted of the actual crime per se; but they'd still pick up a conspiracy or attempt conviction.
i dont know how this works in the us but i live in austria and if something like this happens the judges have the right ,with the permission of the president, to change the constitution.
Here's how it works in the US... Congress proposes a change (called an amendment) via a joint resolution (needs a 2/3 majority vote in both houses). Then, if 3/4 of the State Legislatures (38 out of 50) approve of the amendment... it's ratified and is part of the Constitution of the United States. Additionally, an amendment can be proposed by the State Legislatures having a Constitutional Convention but this has never happened... at least not at the time that I'm typing this response to your comment.
Laws in the US can be changed, but Ex Post Facto laws are unconstitutional, which means people cannot be punished for laws that were enacted after they did something. That is important to uphold rule of law and protect minority rights.
The Supreme Court can also hear a case ( after many appeals. Despite Yellowstone being federal land they probably would either do the trial in the county in Idaho where the crime happened. I am sure murder is illegal in Idaho. Again would there be appeals over jurisdiction? Yes, but the Supreme Court has handed down 9-0 decisions, and I am sure this would be one of them, no amendment needed.
Even if the Constitution changes during ones trial duration, ex-post facto clauses protect a citizen from being tried using the altered Constitution clause(s).
Sudipta Adhikary because they were drawn in since no state existed there before. For example the eastern coast California and Texas all have "normal" state lines, being very asymmetrical, because they were former colonies or single territories aquired. Central and most western States were all aquired at once so they just took a ruler and tried to divide the new territories symmetrically unless stuff like mountains or rivers get in the way
LOL! x'D Also if you have any resentment against your boss keep in mind he's not forcing you to work for him, and if you think he is then you're just too useless to get another job and your boss is carrying the burden of having you employed.
Guys he actually got shot to death by his boss with a M1911 and he was serious about this comment, It was on the news. R.I.P Steven Elgato August 5th 1993 - May 3rd 2018.
N2KY *Jeenyus* In all seriousness, they're likely trying to bring attention to it so that something can be done about the loophole. Not incite countless (albeit somewhat hilarious) murder sprees.
"You've entered the pvp zone"
man, i've been lookin for that
Dont you hate the ppl who fight in the pve area
steal_yo_soul hahaha
🤣👏
steal_yo_soul lol
Who wants to come to a 50 square mile plot of land in Idaho with me?
I was going to ask you the same thing
aplze jambo!
pistol duel?
Masai I'll pack snacks
I'll download the movies on Netflix
The fact that loopholes like that exist is kind of weird. You'd think someone would fix it by now.
No ones ever exploited it because its easier to do it at a convenient place and not leave a trace
It's not like they care about us, right?
I've worked in Yellowstone and other national parks. I think you'll get in trouble and fast. It's federal land, so any crime commited is a federal crime. Even though weed is medically legal in Montana, even if you have your card, if you go to Yellowstone, or Glacier NTL park and get caught with your weed you will have to pay at least a 1000 dollar fine and or jail. The states have no jurisdiction in the parks, so I don't know who they were talking to about this but it doesn't seem true at all.
You'd think someone would have exploited it by now.
You know how hard that is to code, bro?
fbi: “WRITE THAT DOWN, WRITE THAT DOWN”
Finally a useful Vox video, thanks for the advice guys
Matthew Phillip Prater *FBI OPEN UP*
I found it useful as well)))
*pause*
!?
Ladies and gentlemen, we got him
*takes notes*
*no*
You're under arrest!!!!
Feds can pickup case
it's like a bug in real life
Has this been betatested?
Zym3x USA is still in early access
Mr. KP I want a refund the beta sucks
Let's hope it doesn't get patched.
Zym3x when's the next update
murderers watching this video : *"it's free real estate!"*
1000 Subs without videos ! r/whoosh
1kth like
am i on a watch list for watching this?
No.
Yea, google analytics got your ass on so many lists
No. But you are for replying.
Jesus that joke is so annoying and old
well, you are on the view count for watching this
im guessing that im on a list for watching this video
Elso yep
FBI
were watching you
Elso i was definitely thinking that
Elso I have that feeling too, let's hope no one goes missing in the next few weeks
Elso I might or might not be on a list for ordering materials to build rockets and high explosive
Judging on your search history, I’m truly believe this is not the first time you’ve landed on such a list
well if anyone ever asks me to go there with them, I'll know what's up
😁😂😂
Ironically 666 like . *HMMM*
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Literally no one :
Vox : here's a place where there exists a loop hole for the perfect murder
Me calls for a socialist convention there
Also me packs full auto 50 cal and 10k rounds of ammo and kills them all
@@darimiwamubarak obviously a joke but it was an ignorant comment
suriamarsuli some do though perfect example is Bernie
Useless nobody
christian he’s a democratic socialist though
Breaking news: there has been an influx of murders in the Idaho portion of Yellowstone! I wonder why
For real?
No
Hey now you have a population pool to form a jury out of, but they might be kind of predisposed to voting "not guilty"
Olivia Morgan kinda. Depending on why you're here, you can live in Idaho for years and not qualify as a resident.
bullshit
Dad:
Why is the FBI here?
Ikr
Does it have to be murder? The same logic should apply to all crimes in that 50 square miles.
It doesn't have to be murder. It really can be any crime, but murder being the only _really_ plausible one. You can't rob a store, house, or any place because there are none. I guess you can kill animals off season. You could technically burn it all down and not be charged with arson. Those are the only real crimes I can think of.
+Meta drugs. neer forget about drugs.
Maybe you could pirate a movie from that location too
PIRATE A MOVIE!!! That would definitely push congress into action, with a invisible push from MPAA.
Any for which you would have the right to a jury trial (i.e. anything punishable by more than six months in jail)
Brian Laundrie tested this theory out. Pray for gabby that she’s safe.
So what's the update? Did he actually take her here?
I think the same.
Leslie N. He’s missing now
Yeah they found her there
For sure! Wowwwwww
But, Wyoming doesn't exist...
But Idaho does! KKONA BROTHER
agreed
England is a people not a place
I'm going on a cruise there next week, What do you mean it doesn't exist? 🤣
FinInTheBin TTV oh same!
soooo basicly its a designated pvp zone
ye but weapons are p2w
cityuser how about vehicles?
Lawrence Han good luck grinding enough cash to buy a tank
No. It’s a bug that the devs forgot to patch when developing the game that allowed players to attack each other without their anti-cheat system (know by the devs under the alias of LAW”) detecting it and/or executing the proper function to deal with the issue.
Oh what a coincidence! My wife has planned a trip for us there this anniversary...
Wai-
Yoming
Have a fun trip ring me back a souvenir 😉😏😆😂
She killed him before he could complete that sentence. His wife won’t have to.
F
op are you okay
Came here because of the missing 2 kids in Idaho. Maybe Lorie Vallow throw her daughter on the hot spring..
Ellie Beer lol facts though
Think they should check that zone first...
First thing that came to my mind. Cadaver Dogs may still be able to find something, dogs need to also check that storage unit!!!!!!!!!
Ellie Beer she probably saw this
Can we start a petition to get that loophole closed?
Getting away with murder is easy. Not getting credit for getting away with murder is the hard part.
I just wanted everyone to know.
I just wanted everyone to know.
William Devane ur on a list now
"Honey!!! Pack your bags, we're going to Yellowstone this weekend"...
lmao
Pointless Reviews lmfao !
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Toolman329
Pointless Reviews AA
This channel is very helpful.
MASTERRELIC relic yes it is
a little concerned about the help in which this video may have just provided you with
Tealouie its all good
you're on the list now
+TH-camPoliceDepartment Ghostbusters!
Vox: Here's a place where there exists a loophole for the perfect murder.
Lori Vallow-Daybell: 🤔
Recon3Y3z I was thinking the same thing.
@@chrissquatch2795 Now she is heading back to Idaho. Right out of the perfect murder playbook.
They’re also searching the park for signs of her children.
Bold strategy, let’s see how this plays out.
Sad thing, her get out of jail free card is probably proof of the murders in that 50 square mile section.
Shes in jail and only watched 3 min of this vid and forgot the rest. To bad TH-cam isn't allowed in jail.
Is this glitch patched yet?
yes because im end up in jail
Only on PS4 it'll be patched on Xbox a month later
Nostalgia Beats, oops shucks darn my dude, guess your service is down, another security breach. Guess I'll just play my Xbox safe and sound.
Jk, love me some PS4
They'll probably fix it in the 20.18 update
Yea the patch is on www.freepatches.com
So could you technically just have a huge drug fueled party there without any problems?
tbh its the middle of the woods id say you could have that regardless of the law or not.
Yea, but then you'll unknowingly become easy prey for someone interested in the murder portion
Lol did not expect that last bit. That was a good one. Thought you were going to say for drug use.
Who's coming with me
That's the perfect idea for a horror film.
So the purge has been going on all this time?
The culling has begun!
Yup just google africa
Blessed be The New Founding Fathers for letting us Purge and Cleanse our Souls, Blessed be America, A Nation Reborn.
I find this a little disturbing considering at this moment there is a case of 2 missing children in the Lori Vallow case. One of the children were last seen at Yellowstone. Not saying that's what happened but it's a little fishy
they were in their stepdads backyard
@@meli555a yeah I saw. What a tragedy! I'm both angry and deeply sadden.
@@SoliSolrac1 cool
Thanks for the info.
XD
Adolf Hitler wtf... how does someone even get that name on youtube
Halpen the great you must be new to google+. Anyone can claim a name as their own, even if that name is already taken. It's how we have scam bots on big TH-cam's comments, pretending to be that TH-camr.
Bailey Magnuson are u black?
Nyan Arthur idk prob
If I kill there 16-40 people in the other areas I theoretically could get away with any crime in that area
KingMyLand I guess.
KingMyLand Yes and if you murder everyone in Wyoming there will be no one in the state to try you.
TheSamuraiPanda I like your thinking
+TheSamuraiPanda Pass. I'm alredy dead inside.
KingMyLand well no cause those are populated while that part of Idaho has nobody to serve local jury
Have you tried restarting it or trying to update the software?
I love you
I wonder if Brian knows about this and that’s why he took her to Yellowstone
I thought that
100 percent, they end of the video it says “try Yosemite” and the last text was “no service in Yosemite”. It’s too weird
most definitely
Thanks for helping me plot it all out. I'll make sure to give Vox the proper credit on the death notes.
Lunixed ".... And last but not least, I would like to give a shout out to Vox for helping me with these killings"
Easy... We build a prison in that little spot, and put that person in there. Since there's no crime in that spot, it's not a crime to kidnap and imprison him either :)
Candi Soda mind blown
Actually, that would close the loophole. As soon as there are people living there, then there is a possible jury pool.
neeneko not if hes your only person. You can't serve on your own jury
Without a jury, you cannot be found guilty of a crime. Up until you have been found guilty within a trial, you are innocent, only an "alleged murderer".
But if you do conatruct a prison and between the staff and prisoners you end up with 12 people (or just prisoners, assuming staff lives off-site), you've then got a jury pool.
If course the prisoners would only convict the guards and acquit each other. Since the guards are now felons (they did unlawfully imprison unconvicted people) they can't be on ant future juries.
There are other legal and technical problems with this idea but they aren't as funny as this catch-22.
Vox: the company that never sees the outcome of a product they create.
SAINTSROWANGEL Just like disney,they created Miley
I could say that about the people that wrote our constitution.
The whole issue of this story is that if someone really did do something like this, the circuit court would immediately rule that "jury of peers" implies the nearest county _with_ peers and set precedent that would prevent it from ever happening again.
Do they have that power?
@@morganpritchard4177 it could go as far as the supreme court but as long as they rule that it is constitution then regardless of what the constitution actually says you could be tried, it's unclear what would happen if they ruled that the constitution was correct in it's wording and you couldn't be tried, but as a murderer you would never be able to leave jail until your trial, so it's not as foolproof as the video makes it out to be.
@@dillon8124 they just overturned roe because it was unconstitutional so this would be possible
@@dillon8124Well actually I don't think they could hold you for life without a trial, I think they'd have to let you go eventually, because of due process and the right to a speedy trial
The constitution says plain as day what it says though. "State and District." Brian Calt published his article in 2005, one senator got alerted to this a few years later. Congress has been vaguely aware of this for nearly two decades and could have fixed it by now.
This glitch was patched, i got banned!
FBI: *Stay right where you are*
heck, the FBI would manufacture evidence against somebody who has never committed a crime, so the criminal gets off.
🖐️
someone please make a real life hunger games and livestream it
Omg 😂
Emilk123 You would be part of the first contestants since you are the one who proposed the idea.
Look up Game2: Winter The hunger games are actaully happeneing
How would you get people to participate, would you just wait for people to happen to wander in to the area and kidnap them until you had enough?
im with you guys hehe
Thankfully, the supreme court interprets the rights denoted in the constitution, so in paper you could get away with crimes but in front of a supreme court justice you're going to be sentenced.
I think your missing the point.
Because no one lives there, there can't be a jury, because there can't be jury there can't be legal trial, and without a trial even the U.S. President is blacked into a corner!
Actually, what would happen, hypothetically, if you invited president Trump there and then you accidentally push him in front of a bear, so he tragically dies?
🤔
@@sandrajones8245 Well, Let's just say you won't be seen again
@@randomcommenter8873 😨 sorry CIA it was an accident, he thought it would be funny to cover himself in honey, and I'm like "well you gotta to do what you gotta do"
Or: How to make sure your murder trial is delayed for five years while this issue is sorted out, and you remain in jail waiting.
Also, murder remains a federal crime.
Actually you're guaranteed the constitutional right to a speedy trial so they couldn't keep you.
"Speedy" is relative.
years is not speedy. by speedy they mean in an relative time. meaning speedy for a human. meaning 1 year is a long time for a human
It's Me Well, it happens anyways. People frequently are in jail for a year or more waiting for their trial.
Joshua Pearce i know but a trail should be speedy
Now I have to find a new spot to get rid of my bodies..
Damn Bruce what happened to not killing anybody
Dumb Troll. He's Patrick Bateman in disguise. Maybe Batman is schizophrenic and '' Bateman '' is his alter ego
Bruce Wayne wrong character American psycho
Damiën Well I guess I got *B A M B O O Z L E D A G A I N*
Bruce Wayne this isn't funny davis
something tells me despite the laws this would not work...
A judge would probably hold his court anyways, but in the appeal you could demonstrate the judge actually had no court to hold, so theoretically you would be let go.
Probably a law-making precedent would occur.
While the murder technically could have occurred there, you would probably still get convicted for conspiracy to commit murder
Zachary Henderson There you go. That is how the loophole is filled, kind of. But hey, they put All Capone away on tax evasion, and not his numerous other crimes.
an actual murder in here might be what's needed to motivate lawmakers to close the loophole. It's alot easier to motivate someone to fix a loophole like this if someone has already been shown to successfully exploit it
Who's here wondering if that mom who kids are missing seen this video before taking that trip
Yup. And she went with her brother, aka, her hit man.
Valeria Torres that’s how I got here.... someone put a link under an interview of a lady that was once in there cult!!
That’s how I got here, a link from another video about those poor kids !!
I’m creeped out to know if I’ve been through there, I have to look at a map and see. 😳
I was born a poor black child - Navin Johnson I came here bc of you lol
So strange how this video popped up and that was my exact same thought !
Can you do a walkthrough? I'm stuck on lvl 4 cause the NPCs put me in court.
@Eric Lee new patch banned this glitch
Like they'll actually listen to the constitution.
=D
Fight fire with fire...someone exploiting a loophole in the law? Send a Predator drone. Hellfire missiles don't recognize Constitutional rights.
Tom Miller but Hillary does?😂😂😂
Tom Miller Meanwhile Hillary refuses to recognize the 2nd amendment xD
+catindabox 334 while mocking trump saying if he ever read the constitution
DUDE, you're giving all these crazy folks ideas!!!
Alex Nguyen I have ideas
Eric Ocampo care to elaborate on the world-wide web hehehe
let's make it succeed
"If someone were to exploit this loophole..."
that's a bet I'm gonna move my cocaine empire there now
You can legally do that. However there is probably a loophole preventing you from doing that.
Rick Sanchez move?
No balls, you won't
Wait... But if you plan to kill someone outside the place... Can u be charged with conspiracy to commit murder?
but how could they prove it? Since you'll never be found guilty of murder
Enourmousletters since you drove the person to the park, you premeditated the murder. I'm no lawyer, but I think that would be a crucial part of your case to prove if someone's guilty.
Only if you conspire with another person. You can't conspire with yourself.
Matheus Gampert Henz you're missing the part where there would be no trial because there is no jury
Can't jail someone for planning something unless you know they intend to do it.
The FBI has a record of everyone watching this video
oh god oh fuccj
38 people: *interesting*
If you can't be tried you could even confess and your confession couldn't be used as evidence since an acceptable jury couldn't be convened
Jokes on u I am in india
@@allenthurman7577 Hold on. I’m not American, do you guys have juries for ALL crimes committed or what?
I think the missing Idaho kids are here in this location..
Jessie Revilla same
Me too. They need to do a massive search.
No found in the stepdads backyard
I spoke to soon. But it did take time to find these kids either way. RIP
@@southwestbangers9913 I heard their first target was the stepdad's backyard but at the time there was lots of snow so it wasn't possible to search trough the backyard
I think I've been flagged now
Key word 'might'
What is my perfect crime? I break into Tiffany's at midnight. Do I go for the vault? No, I go for the chandelier. It's priceless. As I'm taking it down, a woman catches me. She tells me to stop. It's her father's business. She's Tiffany. I say no. We make love all night. In the morning the cops come and I escape in one of their uniforms. I tell her to meet me in Mexico but I go to Canada. I don't trust her. Besides, I like the cold. Thirty years later, I get a postcard. I have a son and he's the chief of police. This is where the story gets interesting: I tell Tiffany to meet me in Paris, by the Trocadero. She's been waiting for me all these years; she's never taken another lover. I don't care, I don't show up. I go to Berlin. That's where I stashed the chandelier.
this made absolutely no sense to me
so you get a postcard from somebody you are hiding from?
I can't remember what this is a reference to.
Ok Dwight
I enjoyed this for no apparent reason.
Gabby Petito I’m praying for you
I thought the same...
She’s gone bro…..
Now her boyfriend is missing. We may never find her dead or alive.
So buy up a district, choose who lives there, and you can never be convicted of anything, as long as you own the jury?
Blood Angel Correct!
District = a federal judicial district. So you’d either have to get the federal government to agree to create a new federal district in your state just containing the land you chose, or you’d have to kick everyone out of an existing federal district.
Doug Rudebaker so basically if you’re super rich you could pick a small district and bribe everyone into leaving?
The Legend lol maybe? You’d probably have to be richer than any person in recorded history since each district contains close to a million people. So a million people times however much you’d have to pay them to relocate. Plus the state you were in would probably have concurrent jurisdiction to hear the federal claim in State court anyway, and the Federal government would probably just merge the evacuated land into an existing district. I think your best bet would be to get everyone to leave Rhode Island. Probably just cheaper to murder someone at that point.
Doug Rudebaker or take them out to the ocean and murder them lol
This is why I love youtube. This whole video and all it's production quality was made on a platform where all of us press the same button and can publish a video. TH-cam is the a great example of free market doing it's thing.
true af
wanted from TV so free market took it's course
^
Just like you and your channel
i love capitalism
Where to Fortnite legally in USA
😂
You cant
No
GoldDropper Australia has too much of that crime let me tell you
@@kaustubhsharma3908 Yes, you can in the Idaho part of Yellowstone National Park.
2:51 don’t worry vox, I also say Yosemite when I mean yellow stone
Yeah what happened there? Not even close lol
Amir Hagit Einav the joke is that no one gets away free of murder, cause Yosemite isn’t like Yellowstone
They did that on purpose. They’re saying that if you plan a trip with a bunch of people you hate (but not enough that you want someone to turn up dead), maybe don’t go to the place where they could murder someone and get away with it.
24/7 purge?
The reality is it wouldn't be that glamourous..it would be like fishing..waiting for that bite..waiting for that next person to come into that 50sqm area..WAIT. I LOVE fishing! This is awesome 🤣🤣🤣
The pvp zone
Ho damn, you do NOT wanna spread this around
Cryo Phobica Execute Order 66
Very informative! I'm sure I'll be using it sometime soon!
So....did you use your acquired information?
@@jdimas9009 she is not responding because they fixed the loophole she is in jail
@@thenerd6416I find your lack of faith, disturbing.
@@jdimas9009 ok boomer
@@jdimas9009 I don't think the young padawan understands the reference.
Here's the problem with this "legal loophole": a little concept known as "pre-trial incarceration", meaning that you are placed in prison up until your trial. Typically, this is used for people who have committed violent crimes and are likely to do so again. Committing a murder likely would place you into that category and you would be placed in pre-trial incarceration. However, because you cannot be tried, you would be in pre-trial incarceration for the foreseeable future, with no real way to be acquitted for the crime.
But part of your rights as the accused is the right to a speedy trial, so while you would probably be held for a while, they have to allow you the right to a speedy trial that you would obviously want to get out quicker
@@rickhaavisto9023 Well, yes, theoretically that's true. However, people have been held in pre-trial incarceration for years before their trial, and with no way to try you, that would probably happen to you.
i like your funny words magic man
@@bensundin Actually, this only works if defence waive speedy trial, otherwise, the state has exactly 90 days to arraign (so to set a trial day) you and 175 (or 178 I forgot which one and too lazy to look) days to try you. Anything more is unconstitutional, and defence can apply for a Habeas Corpus wit and you go free and cannot be tried again.
There can be delay, either it has to be agreed by the defence or it's force majeure.
@@cosplayshop I didn't know that, thanks.
I love how this channel teaches you how to get away with murder.
This argument almost had me until I recalled that in the federal areas (land owned by the U.S. government and under its sole criminal jurisdiction) Congress has plenary (absolute) jurisdiction over all things and inhabitants there. Ironically, my latest law book, i.e., America's Republican Form of Government, is perhaps the first to show that in these federal areas Congress legislates as a non-republic (read: dictator, monarch) and that one's rights are as "Congress has made those guarantees applicable." Hooven and Allison Co. v. Evatt. 324 U.S. 652, 674 (1945),
That is, Congress determines our rights in the federal areas, which are defined at 8 USC 7. This means that Congress rules the federal areas as a dictator / monarch. In contrast, it must legislate as a republic toward the fifty states, where we have substantive rights [mostly in the Bill of Rights] to secure our natural rights of life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness.
If you carefully read the 13th Amendment, you'll see that its prohibitions of slavery do not apply to the federal areas. If you read the 14th Amendment, you'll see that Due Process of Law and Equal Protection do not apply in the federal areas. Congress can enslave anyone it wants and can use just about any process it wishes there. This is because Congress determines which rights are applicable in the federal areas, just as would a king.
Thus, according to the Hooven case as well as Palmore v. United States, 411 U.S. 389 (1973) the 6th Amendment may not apply in the federal areas, including the Zone of Death, unless Congress says that it does. As well, I could not find any U.S. statute that grants a legal right to a jury trial over capital crimes committed in the federal areas, where all rights come from Congress and where all crimes are defined by Congress. One's right to a jury trial in the federal areas are discussed in Schick v. United States, 195 U.S. 65 (1904) and District of Columbia v. Colts, 282 U.S. 63 (1930), but these matters are not conclusive over this issue.
Last, because Congress legislates over the federal areas as a king or dictator, it can grant, deny or otherwise define a murderer's legal right to a jury trial in any manner it wishes. Thus, Congress could legislate that a murder committed in the Zone of Death be subject to a jury in another area, e.g. a jury in Cheyenne.
We’ll find out all about this law at Lori Vallows trial for the murder of tylee
Whoa. Well then. *starts unpacking my bags*
So those murders commited there could mean nothing if you have a very good layer and the luck of not being questioned too much by a state accusation attorney? Anyway, it's very intersting.
could someone sum this up?
Your interpretation is very likely in violation of Article 1, Section 9 of the Constitution, which prohibits congress from passing a 'bill of attainder". Bill of attainder is legislation aimed at regulating a single matter (such as jurisdiction in one specific case).
Go into international waters on an unregistered boat
Artic Zonie facts
How are you going to get the person out there also there is an international court
christian 😳
There are still ways to found court jurisdiction like nationality, residence, effects principle etc
You’d most likely just be tried in the vessel’s nation of origin. Assuming you get past the coast guard anyways
Gabby Petito. I swear if she’s found here, this video is the reason.
Exactly! Even the last message on this video is the same as Gabby last Txt. "no reception in Yosemite". But they were in Idaho near Yellowstone.
The line was drawn and this issue has been fixed. Google it.
No, they have not redrawn the lines.
dammit.
Lilly Stohe lol
bckalt Good...XD
Noooooooooooo why
I like how this was in my recommendation feed
Interesting,so that place is practically Purge for 24/7.
Even worse, since no law is deploy there so I could deploy class 3 or even worse weapon over there and kill my state governor.
chongjunxiang3002 shut up. talking about a movie like it actually pertains to something.
Who else is here because of the Vallow case FEB 27 2020 5:24 A.M NY TIME
I know how they could patch this glitch
Delete System 32
Normie levels are too high
Thank you, Vox.
My next murders will be committed in this area.
Can you do a video about how to get away with bank fraud??
if something were to happen they would just draw the lines or ignore everything you have to say, amendment or not.
timothyzc but they can't. Welcome to the USA.
Bostonzo B can't what? ignore them?
No buddy, this isn't Russia. In the US there are laws protecting your rights
James Down right
they just can't give you a trial at the state level
but they can still try you at the federal level so they would try you for murder outside of the state jurisdiction
thus going around your loophole
Is this zone even accessible by road, trail, etc.?
There are a few foot trails but it's mostly dense lodgepole pine forest.
Oh thanks *IdahoJake* that info is very helpful
@@idahojake3444 What if I were to carry an item with me? Would the trail be a feasible option? Will I be able to carry that item on the path without a problem? A big item? An almost... person-sized item. An item almost as heavy. An anti-breathing item. An item that looks like this. *shows picture of an old woman*
@@dietznuts8106 😂🤣😂 Well there's the trick, right? That no breathing item would have to have stopped breathing outside of this segment of the park. Sounds like the item you're talking about depositing would have a difficult time getting into that segment, breathing or not. It's not for the faint of heart, so to speak.
Or is it...
@@idahojake3444 Right on~
I've worked in Yellowstone, the Grand Canyon and Glacier national park. What sucks about these areas is when you get in trouble, since it's federal land any kind of crime is a federal crime. So, for instance. Montana, has legalized medical marijuanna. However, even if you have your card and you're legit, once you cross the border into Glacier national park you're now on federal land and the state laws no longer apply and you get in a "LOT" of trouble for having weed. Expect at least a thousand dollar fine, and possible jail time. So, since you end up dealing with federal court for any crime commited, wouldn't that apply to murder as well? I know that since you're on federal land, if you had a warrant out for you in say.. Arizona but you were caught in Glacier NTL park in Montana you will be sent to whatever warrant you may have in Arizona. (I know because I've seen it happen to someone) Unlike if you were just in Montana, in which case if the warrant was for an unpaid fine or something small they will probably just let you go.
All and all, I don't believe this is true at all. I could be wrong though, I only know of smaller crimes and the trouble I've seen people in. A DUI in a state park is no laughing matter, I've seen employees pretty much vanish for doing that. Or at least they would leave a drunken party in their vehicle and not make it to work the next day.
But, yeah. I wouldn't recommend doing any crime in a national park. There are no slaps on the wrist there. So if you have a bit of green on you, make sure it's very well hidden because they can make you pull over as you're entering the park to search your vehicle.
Would anyone like to take a trip with me to Idaho?
PvP zone
Already live there
I would love to go!~
Hunger Games
Trover19 already live there. It’s a gorgeous 50 square miles! Headstones everywhere!
**moves to the zone of death to mess up all your murder plans**
AH HA! I DECIDE YOUR FATE! MUAHAHAHAHAHA.
And in THIS evil plan, I don't have to deal with a corpse.
Josh Latham You can try. You will fail.
Ha, not if i have a pommel.
Josh Latham **Grabs Nuke**
Bring it.
*Grabs cockroach army". On my way.
Josh Latham **Grabs slipper**
The main hole I see in the theory is this.
There's little if anything in that zone; so most people wouldn't normally have a reason to go there. As such, the government would probably argue that a defendant formed the intent to commit a particular crime while the defendant was still outside the zone. And then, for whatever crime was committed inside the zone, they would just charge that person with "conspiracy to commit" or "attempt to commit" that crime in whatever jurisdiction the government felt that the original intent was formed.
They wouldn't be convicted of the actual crime per se; but they'd still pick up a conspiracy or attempt conviction.
thank you for posting this video it really helped with a problem
i dont know how this works in the us but i live in austria and if something like this happens the judges have the right ,with the permission of the president, to change the constitution.
Here's how it works in the US... Congress proposes a change (called an amendment) via a joint resolution (needs a 2/3 majority vote in both houses). Then, if 3/4 of the State Legislatures (38 out of 50) approve of the amendment... it's ratified and is part of the Constitution of the United States. Additionally, an amendment can be proposed by the State Legislatures having a Constitutional Convention but this has never happened... at least not at the time that I'm typing this response to your comment.
Laws in the US can be changed, but Ex Post Facto laws are unconstitutional, which means people cannot be punished for laws that were enacted after they did something. That is important to uphold rule of law and protect minority rights.
The Supreme Court can also hear a case ( after many appeals. Despite Yellowstone being federal land they probably would either do the trial in the county in Idaho where the crime happened. I am sure murder is illegal in Idaho. Again would there be appeals over jurisdiction? Yes, but the Supreme Court has handed down 9-0 decisions, and I am sure this would be one of them, no amendment needed.
Well then if the president and the judge were shady, they could convict you of any crime they wanted.
Even if the Constitution changes during ones trial duration, ex-post facto clauses protect a citizen from being tried using the altered Constitution clause(s).
I wonder if Brian Laundrie ever watched this.
he did i'm sure
So this is why the person who killed harambe hasnt been jailed
Febotic VonFartfart and he died in Cincinnati, Ohio.
MrUtuber2012 don't even call it a "person"
Y are ur state boundaries so geometric
DJ Roomba Same with Australia
Sudipta Adhikary because they were drawn in since no state existed there before. For example the eastern coast California and Texas all have "normal" state lines, being very asymmetrical, because they were former colonies or single territories aquired. Central and most western States were all aquired at once so they just took a ruler and tried to divide the new territories symmetrically unless stuff like mountains or rivers get in the way
I thought all states were like that, im from aus
Straight borders happen when a powerful nation expands rapidly over uncontested (militarily) land. This only really happened in the new world
@this guy
Nope buddy, we are the exception, crazy wiggly lines are most countries
this video really helped me! thank you vox :)
Gabby Petito, way to tell people how to get away with murder.
Thanks vox you help me with everything! See you on the news!
Isn't murder a federal crime though?
wham. got him there
Hamza Salem you missed the entire point of the video
Nash Chandranatha Oh I see. Thanks
not always
Not if they can't catch you
Thinking about going on vacation with my boss up there in a few months. Can't wait!
LOL! x'D
Also if you have any resentment against your boss keep in mind he's not forcing you to work for him, and if you think he is then you're just too useless to get another job and your boss is carrying the burden of having you employed.
Who knows, you might get a promotion haha
Guys he actually got shot to death by his boss with a M1911 and he was serious about this comment, It was on the news. R.I.P Steven Elgato August 5th 1993 - May 3rd 2018.
@@sondreavik5337 way to overthink a joke.
Gabby Petitos boyfriend 100 percent used this video to plan what he did.
I love how half the comments are treating this like a video game that’s broken
POV: You're here because of Gabby. 💔💔😭😭
yep
If they really wanted to prosecute the perpetrator they would.
Devs need to patch this before it gets exploited
"We are concerned someone could manipulate this weird law that no one knows about.... So we made a video about it "
N2KY *Jeenyus*
In all seriousness, they're likely trying to bring attention to it so that something can be done about the loophole. Not incite countless (albeit somewhat hilarious) murder sprees.
Anyone here because of the "Gaby and Bryan" news?
Yes
Yes
^brian and gabby
I can’t believe literally how simple it is to fix the problem 🤦♀️
I low-key want someone to try to get away with murder using this loophole in my lifetime.
weird how this was recommended to me amongst the chaos of the Lori Vallow case...