UNBOXING budget forged CONRODS - MaXpeedingRods first impressions - PROJECT UNDERDOG #2
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What is up engine heads! Today we're unboxing some aftermarket forged connecting rods that will become an integral part of my turbo Toyota 4afe engine build that I'm calling project underdog.
Although these are budget rods by a company called MaXpeedingRods and have a price that seems to good to be true, I think these are actually good rods, perfectly adequate for high horsepower forced induction builds. They're made from 4340 steel and feature ARP 2000 bolts. They're drop forged at high temps, cnc machined and then multi-stage heat treated, x-rayed, sonic tested, magnafluxed and shot peened. Watch the video to see the unboxing as well as other features of the rods.
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I use these rods in my Audi 20vt 5cyl, I'm running 30psi with a 76mm borg warner and spinning over 8000 rpm. They work.
30psi, 76mm, and 8,000 rpms. If you try to tell me this is your driver driver I’m gonna say bullshit, and if it is you’re also my hero🤣
How much hp?
Geez how many hrsprs?
They work great for about a year. Then the little ends flog out.
Been there done that
How are they holding after 3 years? Did they already break?😅😂
Normally an unboxing video wouldn’t be that interesting or informative... but when it’s you and car parts, it’s definitely worth a look! It’s been a while since I saw someone give a level of detail close to what you do here. You really did the research, and read through other people’s testing and research. You discuss many aspects of the product, always with your lovely personality and humour nearby. I’ll admit, I have the negative bias towards products made in China, but you help to correct that with the age-old phrase “you get what you pay for” and with the quality assurance the company has obtained. There are some very premium / luxurious products made in China and we don’t question them despite insane price markups. You’re doing it the right way; researching the products you will use and getting that balance between cost and quality.
I love your videos. Thank you!
I don't know what to say other than thank you for the kind words. Some of my friends and acquaintances would disagree with the lovely personality part, but who cares what they think :)
@@d4a you are a funny man mate, a bit of humour never hurt anyone right ? cheers from Australia :)
We did use maxspeeding rods in 700hp straight six and no problems what so ever.
Did you used the bolts provided by them?
@@jordancespedes15 Yes. Why not.
Came across a thread on vw forums and a guy is claiming he said bolt failure on these rods thats why im asking
Hi, Did you have to balance the bottom end?
@@Streetmodz-Joe No
Let me just get my gram scale. That I have for.... um.... weighing saffron.....
How do you come up with this stuff 🤣
Where can I store the bolts? I know, I'll put them in these little zip lock bags that I have conveniently lying around...
@@d4a I'm guessing he too has a gram scale for.... um.... measuring saffron....
@@d4a I got the speed factory no block notch connecting rods for d16y7 civic engine, my box opens the same way as yours probably same company in China makes them
I had a shop, years ago, where I sold +- 0.5 gram and +- 1/20 gr precission scales... when the almost always young buyers looked confused, I simply asked: for green or for white? ... and everybody was happy...
I used these rods in my FJ20ET circuit race car engine pushing 500HP with no issues so far. I did have them resized for safety and I filed a small u - shaped groove in the top side of the big end to oil the gudgeon pin. Mine too were within 0.5g. They have been over-reved to 10000RPM, spend their life at 5000 to 8000 RPM and after 4 years I pulled the big end caps off and the bearings were perfect. Good value I reckon.
Thanks for sharing. Plan on using these bad boys
I was always curious about those rods.
MaXpeedingRods was very awesome with customer service for me. I have a VW Mk3 Cabrio with MaXpeedingRods and I was a bit careless and had dirt in the threads while applying torque to the arp bolts, one of the bolts locked up and I had to use a breaker bar with a jackstand handle to completely break the arp bolt off just so I could free the rod and get it out. I sent them a picture of my mistake and was completely honest how I didn't clear dirt out of the threads and they sent me a new rod free of charge... I have no words... but respect.
They come from the same factory in china that alot of 'insert named brand here' come from as well that claim to be made in the USA and alot if other countries..
Scat and eagle are mfg in china.. i use eagle
I'm using these rods in my VAG 1.8t 20v and I'm very happy with them, great quality stuff and no issues with 3 years of abusement
Abusement: amusing abuse.
What about top end rattle as I know these don't come riffle drilled and 1.8ts need it to oil the small end bushing anything under 2500rpm
huehuehue you're stuff rods in your vag.
sorry I can't help my self lols
Is it still running? Just acquired these rods for my 06a
@@mk4geo822 still running strong , still amusing abuse 😂
One more little thing is the hole in the wrist pin side is definitely drilled a bit off center. Otherwise they do look like a good rod for the money! Great overview.
If they can't make sure to drill that hole in the center, can you be sure they took the time to do the rest of the work up to spec?
They are off center so that the oil feed doesn't block the passage (lining)
@@yannisx3209 Talking about 10:51 in other shots the hole seemed centered in the oil feed groove, but not that rod. Don't think it will make an effective difference.
@@freddyrosenberg9288 Depends on what parts of the operation they spend money on. Only way to know is to measure, test, and verify.
I've had a set of them in my vw 1.8tfor 60k miles now....
how many hp are you running? very aggressive tuning/ torque curve? thanks!
HP Numbers please
7:35 at least 7afe rods hold up to 400hp at 8000rpm - at that point they start to bend (tested with arp bolts) so they are strong enough.. just look on d15/d16 rods, they are thin as pencils and still make 280-300hp.
yeah HP rantings are useless, it depends more on weight of the piston and revolutions and as said by knock
really what engine cam make really depends on ring gap :D and ring gap doesnt depend on mileage
i would say it's more about the peak cylinder pressure than anything else
as rpm increases, piston acceleration (and hence rod stress due purely to mechanical motion, peaking at tdc & bdc) increases with the square of rpm. depending on what rpm you are chasing, there will come a point where these (kinematic?) forces completely overwhelm the stress of cylinder pressure in normal, non-detonating operation. admittedly this is less of an issue now that people make horsepower with boost rather than engine speed, but the limitations from rpm never stop being an issue
www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=333643
Running these supporting Ross racing pistons in my blueprinted silvertop 4AGTE and no dramas yet.
Diy mike built a 10 sec honda with those rods
Yea that’s like tools that say “assembled in the USA from parts made in China”
Cool, you have a Mk1 MR2! I used to have the Mk3, that was a great car but I haven't driven the Mk1. I will follow this project.
“Project underdog” is the name of every college students project car.
Bro, That should be the name of my 394 stroker Hemi rebuild right now! Savings account account is negative, credit for loans maxed out, machine cost, and needing mote parts at the moment. I’m gonna need some for more help...
They look pretty much like the Manley rods I put in my 2.3DISI-T engines (MPS/CX7).
P.S.: don't swap the caps between rods. they have some markings on them, should be easy to pair them back.
I believe Hoonigans S*it car was sat on Maxpeeding rods coilovers ant they survived everything
From what I've heard their coilovers are utter garbage, but rods seem decent.
I can say their coilover are about as good as Megan racing with less adjustability. I use them on a 3000gt with no issues other than a bolt spacer I had to Fab up.
@@az_3kgt714 when it comes to suspension parts i'd much rather have something tested and known to be good quality, it's why i'm just gonna invest in some BC's for my prelude, never underestimate how important tires and suspension are
@@notbilly5962 im just saying from experience ive had megan racing coilovers and these current maxpeeding rods. They really are good ive had no issues with them so far. Right up there with the megan's and i tracked both sets. So you do you not complaining. But for me i would buy another set of these maxpeeding rods they arent bad at all.
Yeah but Bhalls e46 was on maxpeedingrods coilovers and didnt last 3 months
I have nothing against China made stuff. They use the same manufacturing techniques anyone else uses. But they just lack quality control In some cases
often the metallurgy is sub par as well, but they are getting better.
Lots of times the big manufacturers just use Chinese companies anyway
They make a very effective Assault-Virus
most of these places get their stuff manufactured china anyway. lol
@@homefront3162 The "assault" virus is proving to have European origins, not China..
Do the research in the scientific literature on this.
What really should be done to be able to judge if these rods are alright: professionally MEASURE straightness, big end roundness, big end taper, small end diameter and proper balance testing, not just putting them on a scale. But I do agree that probably 90% of aftermarket rods are coming from Chinese factories. The real issue with made in china is, when there is no second quality control, because that is the weakest part of made in china. If you want to be sure, check and measure everything, or buy from a reputable brand where this has been done by them.
That’s what I’m saying, take it to a machine shop and see if they can balance it and see if there are any inconsistencies, problem solved.
Can you make a video on conrod bearings and oil starvation ?
I rebuilt my 4AGZE with Spool rods, they were very cheap and looks really great. I just had to drill through the rod and bearing to make my own oil squirters. They come in 122mm to 135mm height for custom jobs.
otakugarage.com.au/product/toyota-4age-spool-conrods/
Maxpeeding rods as stated on the box are very good.
Not a copy of more expensive brands....are the same thing. Company buys them, drills own hole....calls it their own.....they don't make parts like this....not many companies do because the cost to produce it is massive, don't be fooled.
I love how he explains all this and the Brian Crower lightweight rods I have are literally the same… good stuff either way just paid more for them
If the Brian Crower rods are still the same as they were years ago then yes they are same design but the difference is that they are 45 grams lighter that the ones shown in the video.
I'm surprised, the quality seems good for half price of any other 'fancy' brands.
Maxpeeding is a play on the words “Max” and “Speed.” It rolls them together into one word, using the “X” sound to replace the “S” in speed.
I initially got the maxpeeding rods for my Volvo, but I ended up reselling them because the web thickness was inconsistent and the finish was pretty rough, I wasn't comfortable putting them in my 700ft-lb torque Volvo engine build. I ended up going with AUTOVERDI rods. They only do custom rods now after China fakes nearly ruined their reputation.
Are they already balanced and if not why didn’t you go to the machine shop to see if they can be balanced?
Your comment about the sharp edges is the most important of all.
The Chinese are very good at manufacturing engine components.
The difference in price from Chinese and big name brands???
The Chinses arent fucking you up the arse!!!
A torque rating on rods would make more sense than a horsepower rating because the torque is what's going to break them.
Very true!
Rods should also be weight checked end to end-little ends should be very close in weight to one another as should the big ends.We used to check end weights on A series (mini engines)with approx 120hp plus(plus lots of revs- 7k regularly)-more measuring/more accuracy=longer life.I'm sure it's going to be even more important with the hp you're intending.(Obvs we were using OEM rods with a bit of meat on that could be ground away to match-Hopefully forged/machined rods should be really close.)
How and where? How much does that normally cost? If I buy higher end rods do I still need to do that? Shit this $1,200 job is turning into a lot more... I only want to run max 400-450hp in my Mazdaspeed
hey i'm building a super charged 4afe with a SC12 and this will put me on the right path :)
Maxpeeding rods makes some of the cheapest aftermarket suspension with mixed reviews, didn't know they made rods
So the name didn't give you a hint at all?
@@Where_we_go are you mugging me off
dont think I suggest you remove material since its already in-spec and balanced with each other
You can take it to a machine shop and still have them balance it
‘Balanced’ doesn’t just mean they weigh the same. Thanks for the video, was wondering if the brand was any good.
getting pretty tired of all the anti-china bs, if you don't like it, don't buy it. china produces what you pay them to produce. it's all about quality control and the greed of the reseller. not entirely convinced about the chamfer on the inside of the small end, would address that before installing. end to end balancing would also be on my list.
If you sand to take the roughness on the rod make sure you shot peen it again. The shot peening is to decrease the stress on the part
Will be made by Hurricane Performance in China. Hurricane performance manufactures many other brands of forged rods, cranks etc such as eagle, PEC, scat, K1 and many others in Europe and the USA
Very detailed and informative, will you be doing the same thing for pistons as well?
Great I had looked at these but had my doubts but I think I’ll try them. Thanks
Hey I’ve just bought these for a 4age and I’m sending them back look at the counter boring on the holes mine haven’t been reamed at all lots of high points.
Running these I’m my 2j. Making 966whp for a year or so
Still going?
Amazing video and a very honest man
LOL. Loved watching you have fun playing around. From the Peekaboo box to, well, I guess a rod's hole makes a reasonable substitute for a paper towel core telescope!
Atleast get those measured and maybe re honed, many people use these in finland and when they get them measured quite many are too tight.. but other than that it is a awesome product.
I definitely plan to measure them and adjust as needed. I would measure and check rods from anyone, even Saenz :)
@@d4a Yes, indeed thats what you always should do.
That flaw is exactly what I saw on my set of rods. Can't complain at $165 for a set of 4!
Homie got the bud scales
i thing this man is going to put a pretty large turbo on that engine!
Lovely rods im adding to my order
Nice choice, they can handle a lot of power. Will you need to clearance the block ?
You mean will they hit something? I'll be completely redoing the block, overbore bla bla
If that's truely 4340 it's not a bad price, but I only have knowledge of Chevrolet, SBC engine components. I have a balanced rotating assembly, made from 5140, I wouldn't mind next time going with 4340 H- beam rods, but being a 6.3 litre, 385 cid stroker, only revs to 6,500-6,800 , and makes around 650 hp. my next engine will likely be smaller displacement, and rev to 7500+, H beam being lighter, it will work better in high rpm engines, just saying, I know you know this,
if u know to meter the run off then u got me beat..
My rear brake calipers are Maxpeeding Rods! They fit perfectly and stop as they should. I got both sides for half the price as 1 OEM.
Unboxing is always best when it's not just at Christmas time.
I was wondering what's the different between H-beam rod and I-beam rod and their application?
They are plenty of videos online already, if you’re going for a big power go with
H-beam.
Can you talk more about H-beam vs I-beam rods?
Will do in the future, but I'll be honest with you, I beam vs H beam is far less important than the material and manufacturing processes, these two things play a key part when it comes to strength and both I beam and H beam can be incredibly strong when made properly.
H-beam for more power!
Alibaba rods, buy them directly on Alibaba they are cheaper there. You can also chose what they will laser engraving on the rod
Nice preview, sadly they don't make any rods for Mazdaspeed 3/6 :( I would have placed an order just to feel safe, because my Mazdaspeed 6 has a big fat torque curve down low and these engines are bending rods like spaghetti.
Imagine having 270Nm torque down low at under 2000rpm on spaghetti rods.
Honestly, you’re better off with a bigger turbo that doesn’t build build boost till the hire RPM range, I know my brother is doing this right now.
Little ends flog out very fast.
The brass) bronze bushes are too soft
Chinese conrods are shit.
Spend a little extra buy something that will last.
If a pitcure of a Chinese slave building gives you confidence in the product...
You're very easily pleased.
Do me a favour.
Run these for a year and check out the play in the little ends.
It will be the last time you ever use them.
Use Argo rods they are not made in china
Their price really worth the quality and usable?
i did buy a set of these rods for my 4afe projekt, and a think they look nice, but i sent them back because the 4afe have the piston pins pressed in the rods with press fit, the piston pins just dropped straight tru the maxpeeding rods with no resistance so i could not use them with the 4afe pistons, max rods are 20mm in the small end, the stock are 19.95 ish, the rods did also not have the holes for the piston squirters, and that is not good for the piston temperature and reliability, i belive you have to use 4age pistons and maybe head for valve clarance? to use these rods and drill holes in the rods for the piston squirters or use a 4age block with piston squirters from the oil gallery, unless they have made recent changes on the rods?
so the rods i ordered specific for my 4afe were only usable on an 4age
Wait, your 4afe has oil squirters? Does that mean mine does too?
@@d4a the original rod from my 4afe ( and probably yours to) has a hole in the connecting-rod that squirts oil to the piston and cylinder, it does not have squirters like the 4age that takes oli from the oil gallery
look at first picture in the link to se the hole
www.ebay.com/itm/TOYOTA-ROD-SUB-ASSY-CONNECTING-Celica-Corolla-Tercel-4AC-4AF-4AFE-4ALC-AE71/262919338414?hash=item3d3736b9ae:g:I8QAAOSwi6tdGfs9
Oh that hole, that's different, but you're right, works like a squirter. I expect that sadly many aftermarket rods will omit that due to the added cost of machining it in. These rods look very beefy tho!
yes the rods are beefy, and the hole would make the rod weaker, as well as the hole would (steal) lubrukation from the rod bearing, that is bad at high hp and load
Maxspeedingrods are Rock Solid awesome I recommend them for anything and everything they take a licking you'll destroy a lot more than the rod before the rod is damaged.. over 500 horse on a B series Honda maxspeedingrods Nippon Pistons eBay
how long has it been running? do you daily it
Also curious about longevity and daily use
I have heard good things about this company but they don't do anything for my car
Nice seeing maxpeedingrocs sponsoring the channel, congrats
Can't think of a more deserving TH-camr to have their videos sponsored, shame he lost the aem sponsor
i have over 500hp/640nm on 1.8t 20v and stil hold. so i think this rods are good for this price ;)
You should have saved this till when u had tested them and did a full vid . I’ve watched a few of your vid 👍. I’m building engines for 20 + years , and I have only seen 1 set but from what u described the shot peening wasn’t done right , inside the beam but what I seen , they are arp bolts but the tapped part in the rod is excessively loose , remove the cap and treaty up the bolt it’s only till the end they feel near right
I couldn’t agree with you more, do you think the fact of having ARP will help at all?
Again very nice video. To be a viceguy, you should look not only for weight overall, there is a rotating and ozillating mass 😉😉. Wish the best for your built ✌👍👍👍
SO what what is the user experience in the end? did they survive the usage? increased wear, spun bearings, anything odd?
I use the same rods in my 4age with Honda b18 turbo nippon piston it hold 25 psi on a gt35 turbo I love it no problem what so ever
Any more info on that? Looks like the b18 pistons have 21mm wrist pin, so did you machine out the rods or are there b18 pistons with 20mm wrist pin?
Gt35, holy cow that is bigger then the Honda motor. Does a Honda motor come with the purchase of that big ass turbo, 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I have my 7afe makes 195hp and 155 torque 🤔🙂.. non turbo n.a.
Listen to me. I know you tube is suggesting you keep you videos around 14 min but the best channels go for 20 min. Hint hint
I honestly never aim for any target video time. The amount of actual content determines video length for me. TH-cam really isn't suggesting anything. I think that video padding to artificially increase length is pretty lame and actually turns off people.
I use them too... they are nice...
Man I like your channel and you are good from maxpeedingrods i bought same turbo and they are good for what im paying
I Know Nobody asked but as i keep hearing people saying it But Just to be clear, They "(MaxpeedingRods)" are NOT Chinese Turbo or Car Parts Brand!
They are not made in China or Assembled in China,
They have nothing to do with Any Chinese Company.
They are not even for sale in China and Actually Banned there due to sanctions,
They are Czech, Made in EU.
(So of course they are better quality than Anything American or Aussie Made)
Hella Yea. Check that out for my EuroTrash 16V ❤
Apparently these are from the same factory that Eagle comes from
I wouldn't trust these over 200hp per rod which is about what the mid tier rods are good for,above that I only know Pauter and BME can do 1000+ on a 4age
800hp engine were more than enough for many jdm car owners on the road...
I would say not every chinabay stuff utter rubbish....
It deoends heavily on how cheap we would do for buying them...
And these maxspeedingrod parts definately not the cheapest in the lot of chinabay item...
Do rebalance the rods after taking off material!
Using this on my EJ25.
These rods are great! Worth it.
Made in china does not mean junk, the quality of an item made in china 100% depends on what is specified in the build order.
The term is " stress riser" .
2:20 well, fact is that people know asian and south-asian manufacturers don't really give a flying fkk about quality control
funny thing is i have a set of these for a 7a with the small end sized for floating wrist pins, and when i got them they came in a plain cardboard box. I really need to start this 7age build one day. I cant wait to see the 4a build
I'm in the same boat. I was just gonna turbo a stock bottom and just slap a g head on it and keep the rpm around 6500 and give it 10 psi and be Happy.... Been sitting on that for 4 years now.
I know this is an old comment but I've heard of other Chinese companies faking/copying the msr rods
Imma grab me a set of these for my VW engine build this winter.
Like your videos,resently subscribed on your channel.
You make it easy to understand keep those videos coming you're one of the best in these kind of vids
when will there be an update on the results of testing?
Very soon!
Means it is made in China - thanks will buy from Alibaba then. Good bye Max Speeding.
I just bought those for my d15b Honda turbo built
these rods are for 4age do they work with 4afe crank? thats why you have 4afe latest gen ? so the crank is the same size?
Those rods look exactly like my eagle rods!
Chances are they are the same rod
magnetic0314😶😶😶😶😅
Would be nice to know about their crank shaft too
HEY REALY LEARNING ALOT FROM PROJECT UNDER DOG IS THERE ANY POSSIBLE WAY I CAN GET YOUR EMAIL ON FEW TIPS AND HELP FOR MY BUILD
Any guys running these on a 2JZ?
if they are made in china they were designed somewhere else then stolen.. ill pay extra not to support criminals
Great Video as usual, looking forward to next weeks video🙏🙏🙏
Very Good Video, Greetings from Germany
box is missing 4 rods!
missing 2 in my world
Nice, thanks Mr. D4A! Tip top tips!
great presentation. clear and informative, and also a great intuition for what are the stupid questions people will want answered
Yes!! Finally a Person that thinks like me.. this is very true, i owned 3 shops and the true is almost all parts are made in china and rebranded with the company logo, all you need is verify the MATERIAL of the parts and dimentions, thats all. Iphone, Sony, Xbox, Playstation and a lot of companies buy from China and re-look or re-brand.
Does these rods work on a 5afe Toyota engine ?