I have this 45 and actually prefer this mix over the one on the album. It has more of a "gritty" sound perfect for Steppenwolf. Love the needle drop at the start.
This is the original single mono mix of "Born To Be Wild" by Steppenwolf featuring vocals by John Kay. Released on the ABC Dunhill label back in the summer of 1968. It peaked at number 2 on the Billboard Chart for three weeks.
@danielgolus4600 it's the same recording. It's just mixed differntly, with the guitar pushed up louder, and a small edit to the instrumental break. It was also mastered hotter and slightly sped up.
This is the way it is meant to be heard. Maybe someday someone will put this on a CD. I'm still holding out hope that maybe some of the master tapes were taken and put in a safe place before the suits had them recklessly thrown out into the dumpster.
Old Orchard Beach, Maine, summer of 68, this masterpiece could be heard coming from the cars making the rounds through the thoroughfare while incense filled my nostrils in the head shops that attracted my attention....cool kids lined the boardwalk and eyed one another, French girls who knew no English, American boys, 15 years old trying to be cool and hook up as the music took us all someplace we would never again be......we were really Born to Be Wild but someday we would grow old and remember!
"HEAVY METAL THUNDER" - Arguably 3 of the baddest words ever written and put to music. It's hard to listen to BTBW without the "Easy Rider" intro scenes coming to mind. They are inexorably linked forever.
Honestly, that's the BEST I EVER heard this song! Nice Hot Sound. What driving power. Man, that really takes me back to my first car when I used to blast this song on my Realistic High Powered Cassette Deck. Many Thanks. You made my day!
Yes! Every collector needs more than one turntable, and a specific stylus for playing certain records. A mono cartridge is built specifically with a mechanism to track a laterally cut groove. This is one reason your juke boxes sound so gutsy and musical. It is the mono cartridge, and tube circuitry. But as I have pointed out, the plus side has a minus side, where you may be straddling a fine line of damaging your records. Please see pinch effect as the vintage carts can not deal with it.
The monaural cartridge, unlike a stereo alignment at 45/45 degrees, its coils are aligned at 180 degrees which is exactly in line with a laterally cut monaural groove. So, more mechanical energy is efficiently converted into an electrical signal with less loss. The result is improved inner detail, higher dynamic range, more emotional sound. (than a stereo cart mixed to mono) These carts are lighter tracking than vintage mono carts, so wear isn't an issue, and compatible with any medium mass arm.
The old folks swore up and dwn that Id cranked the dbs on the ole Philco when this one dropped..LOL. VENUS was another HOT 45. Liked hearin those 12s suffer...LOL
@Lockemeister Don’t forget “The Pusher”, “Magic Carpet Ride”, and a couple of others. As far the HOF, I imagine that John Kay probably told Jan Wenner to “Shove h”.
You're right. it's a never ending Power Play. The people running the show is like a Monster ( on the loose, who's got our heads into the noose). I wish Sam would stop stepping on the grass too.
I agree with your comment about using a different size tip, especially a .6 m,il conical on a highly modulated monaural 45 groove. They were mixed and cut to sound good on AM radio, and cheap record changers of the era which had stiff ceramic cartridges (Such as Astatic on RCA machines) But these cartridges were hungry for vinyl, and really ate them up. So, a realistic alternative would be a .6 mil tip for a high compliance magnetic cartridge, which tends to track unworn parts of the groove.
Pinch effect is least understood of all mis-tracking problems. This can be found online, and a site with diagrams showing the geometry of how this happens. Pinch effect distortion occurs when the contact points shift rotationally AROUND the tip as it tracks the wiggles of the groove. As the stylus swings across, it "sees" the groove as narrower and is physically forced upward, as the original cutting stylus was not. This upward movement is not part of the signal, so the cause of the distortion
Yes, the tip pressure is what it's all about. You need sufficient pressure (via tip size and tracking force) to keep the stylus in contact with the groove walls, track the hills & dales without losing contact. Conversely, too much force at the tip WILL score the groove wall, in worst case hack off parts of it. (then grinding in the debris upon the next play) There is also the abrasion of any dirt in there, dulling the groove, hence the gray appearance of a worn groove. Always a plus & a minus.
The tech posts I have contributed are for education, and are according to my opinion (and experience) :) Other opinions may differ, and perfectly valid in someone else's experience. In the world of analog audio, the rules can be bent a lot, so, sometimes there is no right or wrong, only what is best for a particular system and listener. In regard to mono 45's, the system they are played on DOES make a difference. Most of all, a mono cartridge tracking a bit heavier than stereo is reasonable.
Pinch effect is a fact of life with records. The line contact tip closely resembles the cutting tip, so pinch effect is almost nonexistent. On the other hand, a conical tip gets squeezed at the inner groove area, an elliptical tip less squeeze. This is why it's bad to play a record on an old mono ceramic cartridge. The mechanical mechanism can not move up and down. The stylus digs in against the mass (inertia) of the arm which can not move fast enough. This is why the inner groove wears first.
NE to to Phoenix. I was a puppy then. Changed our young lives. Bravo John Kay 💕 my first crush voice. Great band sounds i NEVER wanna die. It's end of March 2020. World is on lock down it seems. Peace thenm peace NOW. Don't surrender. Let em all fall. Those palaces, castles, mansions and all. Rome burned before for reason. We're all watching now. Listen. Or not. Choose to survive.
I heard this at Puente Hills Mall (City of Industry) yesterday at Toys R us..though of course in that case as always nowadays..the LP verison. Strange the video (not just the song) is 3:30 long, same as the LP version (over half a minute longer than the single..suroprised the LP version was't 4 and a half minutes like Magic Carpet Ride).
You can finally get this and all of Steppenwolf's mono single mixes on this 2-CD set! www.amazon.com/ABC-Dunhill-Singles-Collection/dp/B00ZB7Q9XO/ref=sr_1_15?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1519040213&sr=1-15&keywords=steppenwolf
I intend to purchase a mono cartridge soon. I have read the reviews. Plus I have three vintage mono hi fi sets, two of which have vintage ceramic cartridges (I would not play my best records on) So, I have experienced the fullness, and dynamics of the mono 45's played on a vintage record player with an original mono cartridge. My RCA orthos, restored and recapped, sound amazing, even the table top models with a few watts fill the room with sound.
Thanks for this. This rocks. I like the way this is tightened up for radio and the mix. Different than the album version, and they both are cool, but I really like this.
I like most your observation about cartridges with stiffer mechanical assemblies, and heavier tracking, also adding mass to the headshell. This applies only to heavily modulated 45's, and not good at all for LP's. As I responded, groove wear becomes the consequence, even when using a 1 mil tip. The larger groove width at the top of the groove will certainly accommodate a 1 mil tip, as it will ride higher in the groove, and track well up to about 12 Khz. more...
There is another version of Born To Be Wild out there! There is a version with a different and LONGER COLD FADE ending . I looked on TH-cam and elsewhere and it isn't available on the web. It is supposedly available on "Vintage Music Vol. # 9 & 10". I guess Steve Hoffman found a surviving master tape and was able to include it with the Vintage Music series issued in the late 1980's. If anyone has the longer version, put it out on TH-cam. Probably one of the worst business decisions ever made in the history of the entertainment industry was when the suits at ABC/Dunhill had the original studio master tapes tossed into the garbage to save money on storage costs in the early 70's. That means Steppenwolf, Three Dog Night, The Grassroots, Mamas and the Papas original masters are gone for good. Unless of course someone had the foresight to save something from the landfill. Of course the worst decision of all time in the history of the entertainment industry was when Decca Records didn't sign up the Beatles when they had a chance to. But that is another story....
EMI does keep their master tapes preserved, although they threw away the tapes for two Beatles singles: Love Me Do / P.S. I Love You (the single version of "Love Me Do" had its master tapes discarded and the Andy White version never received a stereo mix) and She Loves You / I'll Get You.
Of course, even the original stereo masters are gone forever. Most of those recordings were in that master storage incident at Universal where the warehouse they were in burned to the ground in the early 2000s.
Aside from the technical quality of this old 45rpm, Some here seem to miss the point. Steppenwolf played the bikers music! This bring me back riding my 1340 HD down a paved rural country road heading for Laconia NH bike week, in my younger years. Wabcradio: You have a good verity of music. Thank You!
Make that please, a magnetic monaural cartridge which is made for playing mono, but has up and down compliance to minimize wear caused by pinch effect in the groove. Current mono magnetic (and moving coil) carts on the market are safe for stereo records, as they will track them without damaging them, but the output will be in mono.
Good suggestion for a conical stylus, and some .3 x.7 ellipticals. ABC's cartridge has a "stereohedron" type, or "line contact" which contacts more of the groove wall. The VTA should not be changed, as this will throw the stylus contact pattern out of line with the record groove.
I love your channel, you have the real versions, that's how those songs are supposed to sound, too bad most people don't have the records or don't even know the classics are not supposed to sound like they do on digital remasters and stereo mixes or whatever. why can't record companies "just copy the record" as it is to cd or streams or whatever?, why do they use wimpy thin sounding mixes that don't represent the original records?.
But I think the advice given to you back in '84 was ill-advised. The more aggressive cuts are designed to track the groove as it was cut by the cutting head. They are shaped more like the cutting head. This greatly lowers distortion, (reduces "sibilant distortion, an "s" sounding like an "sh") and almost completely eliminates "pinch effect distortion" at the inner groove area near the label. ABC's Stanton tracks the inner groove with no increased distortion, something a conical tip can't do.
Good comments bopper, however, the higher mass arm and headshell, with heavier tracing forces of 11 grams will take its toll on the record groove. Especially NM and mint condition records are becoming more scarce, so there may be a better choice to get better sound, and preserve their condition, even with perhaps 100 or more plays. The major manufacturers offer high compliance monaural cartridges that track at about 2.5 grams. The coils are aligned 180 degrees, same as a laterally cut groove.
The elliptical stylus does require careful setup. A fine Line tip requires perfect azimuth (+/- a degree) I agree the alignment should favor the more difficult to track inner groove area. What's nice about a conical stylus is that it's not fussy. It will perform satisfactorily well even when misaligned. But again, a properly set up elliptical will outperform most conical tips. I happen to like a .6 mil conical for 45's since it tracks lower in the undamaged part of the groove.
There is a really cool mix of Born to Be Wild but it only came out on a CD. I guess it was around 1989 or 1990. It was a compilation CD called vintage music volumes 9 and 10. It was a different mix and it didn't fade out. It just kind of stopped. I wish I could upload this version by Android.
This is also the version that was played in heavy rotation on WVWA Pound Ridge NY. 9-double-Oh RADIO!!! Before they changed format and simply became "NINE"
Great sounding 45 Spencer. Looks like Dunhill was in the middle of a label change at the time this song was current. I've seen both this label you own and the prior label with no ABC logo. My WLP copy has the older style label. I'm guessing this was the time ABC took over Dunhill??
The official new ABC Dunhill label started at around the time this record was released, so you are probably correct that some pressing plants had the old Dunhill only labels still in stock to use up during the change. Check out the website 45-sleeves.com, which goes into extreme detail about the labels and the sleeves that the records originally came in. Thanks for listening!
WABCRADIO77 so nice to find womone else who collected 45.s most of mine are packed away and some i've given away thanks for not playing with the sound and steroizing love the drums on this song
any one heard of the human expression ??? well they were a great garage psych band & they turned this song down & recorded another song written by mars bonfire called who is burning but stepping wolf recorded this song & become massive.yeah the mono mix sounds much better & i noticed you have a fine stylus there as well.great post i just got given the same record deck but the pitch control dont work but ive got a technics 1210 with a autofon concorde club stylus its the best one they make for analogue records great post peace....
great classic. question how did you record the sound on youtube? I've tried to post tracks on here but only way I can do it is by using the Mic from my camcorder which as we all know sounds like crap.
Get your motor runnin' 오토바이에 시동을 걸어 Head out on the highway 고속도로로 나가 Lookin' for adventure 모험을 찾아서 And whatever comes our way 무엇이든 우리에게 온다면. Yeah Good I gonna make it happen 그래 좋아 되게 만들거야 Take the world in a love embrace 사랑의 포옹으로 세상을 가져봐 Fire all of your guns at once 니가 가진총을 한번에 발사해봐 And explode into space 그리고 우주로 폭발해봐 I like smoke and lightning 난 연기와 번개를 좋아하지. HEAVY METAL Thunder 헤비메탈 번개와 Racin' with the wind 바람과 함께 달리고 And the feelin' that I'm under 그리고 내가 그밑에 있다고 느껴 Yeah God I gonna make it happen 오 하나님 되게 만들거에요 Take the world in a love embrace 사랑의 포옹으로 세상을 가지고 Fire all of your guns at once 네가 가진총을 한번에 발사해서 And explode into space 우주로 폭발할거에요 Like a true nature's child 참된 자연의 아이처럼 We were born, born to be wild 우리는 거칠게 태어났지 We can climb so high 우리는 아주 높이 기어올라갈수있어 I never wanna die 절대로 죽고싶지 않아 Born to be wild 거칠게 태어났지 Born to be wild 거칠게 태어났지 Get your motor runnin' 오토바이에 시동을 걸어 Head out on the highway 고속도로로 나가 Lookin' for adventure 모험을 찾아서 And whatever comes our way 무엇이든 우리에게 온다면. Yeah Good I gonna make it happen 그래 좋아 되게 만들거야 Take the world in a love embrace 사랑의 포옹으로 세상을 가져봐 Fire all of your guns at once 니가 가진총을 한번에 발사해봐 And explode into space 그리고 우주로 폭발해봐 Like a true nature's child 참된 자연의 아이처럼 We were born, born to be wild 우리는 거칠게 태어났네 We can climb so high 아주 높이 기어올라갈수 있어 I never wanna die 절대로 지고싶지 않아 Born to be wild Born to be wild
This single version is a completely different recording from the LP version, typical of many Steppenwolf singles. Same with Three Dog Night, also a Dunhill Records artist. They were NOT album versions edited and mixed for 45s. You can only get this great mono single version on this original black label Dunhill 45. ABC/MCA oldies 45s made in the late 1970s-1980s feature the LP version. Avoid these!
DGolus And it doesn't end with Dunhill. Columbia,Motown (concidentally now sharing ownership with Dunhill and many others at Universal) and Elektra (then an independent, of course, before the 1970s Warner buyout with Atlantic) also had drastically different single versions,too... Just taking 1968, and going thru early 70 with just those three: Columbia: "The Time Has Come Today" by the Chambers Brothers was, of course, one of the oddests ducks ever, being first a 1966 recording then in 1967-68 redone on the album "Time Has Come" as an 11 minute long song then trimmed for two different lengths on single and released in the summer of 1968, a month after Dunhill released that fabulous Steppenwolf song "Born to be Wild." Blood Sweat Tears's singles all seem to have odd single versions...of the big three of 1969 that radio still plays, "Spinning Wheel" (May) has a replaced instrumental break, which has been said to be replaced for the album, meaning that the very brief part (near the final verse/chorus) of "Spinning Wheel"'s an original, as on 45, and that (a la Tommy James/Shondells's Roulette release* from 1968-69, :"Crimson and Clover") the longer part on the LP's actually a SPLICE in, then on "Spinning Wheel" the closing sample of "Did you ever see a Lassie" is heard on the last few seconds unlike the full ending 4 minute long ending. (Other Blood, Sweat and Tears" 1969 hits, "You've Made Me So Very Happy" and the capper, "And When I Die" have more conventional editing.) Motown: 1970's Rare Earth single "I'm Losing You (I Know)" on the 11:00 minute album version, seem to be a different recording entirely than the mono single. This was, of course, following the "song proper" excerpt of their 22 minute long "Get Ready" which was just an immense edit and the same recording but mono. Elektra: What can I say? Judy Collins's "Both Sides Now" and The Doors's single "Touch Me" (1968/1969) have much, er, touching up: Collins's (November 1968) single being rerecorded for the 1972 "Colors of" compilation so as to change at least a lyric in the final (3rd) chorus: "From give and take" instead of the original "From win and Lose". "Both Sides Now" had first original on a 1967 album "Wildflowers" and the versions' the same as the single there. The Doors's Touch Me" (December 1968) also had a later album version which, I understand, was the same take but heavily overdubbed. Both, btw had a notable xylophone and harpsichord, in "Touch Me's" case especially on the romantically smooth done final chorus vocal on the 1969 album "Soft Parade" . But no album version of "Touch Me" existed before the single. But anyhow, in short, more and more companies were doing often different recordings of songs. *Coincidentally, if not ironically, BOTH Dunhill AND Roulette very shortly thereafter in the early 70s shared the ABC/Dunhill Goldies 45 orphanage, later fostered by Universal when MCA took over the library.
You should be the next Dr. Ebbetts who is the best Go to Guy of The Beatles Bootleggers out there who's pro sounding Needle Drop CD Recordings of the entire Beatles Catalog of Albums from around the world sound even better than the official releases. He and his team of audio engineers have cleaned up the audio tracks all the way and the vinyl sound coming through in digital format sounds richer and warmer. You should do the same and get your 45 singles digitally cleaned up all the way and really bring out the Monophonic Punch in the singles.
I've actually given that idea some serious thought! But I have no desire to fight lawyers over copywrite infringement, so it would have to be done legally - and that is the problem. While many copywrite owners may be ok with the idea, others may not. I just had Simon & Garfunkel take down my "Sounds of Silence" 45 RPM mono posting, as they only like the stereo versions. The mono mix of that tune is just awesome, and now it's gone... So stay tuned!
WABCRADIO77 NO NO NO please leave the sound alone i've heard so many classic songs i loved or liked ruined that way everyone want to balance them the way they like them instead of leaving it along
True , they hv done great things but....the Nature of the beast still has to be dealt with which is in the digital transforms and then back to analog, to be able to hear your work.Music was forever changed in 1983. Up to that year we had lived in a digital-audio-free world, where musicians and the music industry flourished in a state of pure analog bliss. Vast numbers of people actually listened to music--without doing anything else--on a regular basis. An analog recording corresponds the variations in air pressure of the original sound. A digital recording is a series of numbers that correspond to the sound's continuous variations, but the numbers have to be reconverted to analog signals before they can be listened to. No wonder analog and digital sound so different from each other. by Steve Guttenberg @AudiophiliacMan December 3, 2010 7:29 PM PST Dana WN6OHG
This is the ONLY mix I listen to. The stereo mix of this (and damn near all ABC-Dunhill stuff for that matter) just plain sucks. No nicer way of putting it.
I have this 45 and actually prefer this mix over the one on the album. It has more of a "gritty" sound perfect for Steppenwolf. Love the needle drop at the start.
1968. I was 18 and born to be wild. Now it's more used to be wild. Still a great song and a great time to be alive.
"Easy Rider" used this as the. Biker theme!
@dave rusty “Used To Be Wild”, Aye…😂😂😂👍😎
@@mrmjb1960i’m here bc of herbie fully loaded
This is the original single mono mix of "Born To Be Wild" by Steppenwolf featuring vocals by John Kay. Released on the ABC Dunhill label back in the summer of 1968. It peaked at number 2 on the Billboard Chart for three weeks.
This song and "Light my fire"are two of the best songs in rock history.
this mono mix is pure class
Beto Vc. It is also a different recording from the L.P. version.
@@danielgolus4600 But why the uneven sound? Was it pressed off center?
@@mrmjb1960 Yep.... trust me, I’ve had my fair share of singles that were pressed off center!!!!
@danielgolus4600 it's the same recording. It's just mixed differntly, with the guitar pushed up louder, and a small edit to the instrumental break. It was also mastered hotter and slightly sped up.
This is the way it is meant to be heard. Maybe someday someone will put this on a CD. I'm still holding out hope that maybe some of the master tapes were taken and put in a safe place before the suits had them recklessly thrown out into the dumpster.
Old Orchard Beach, Maine, summer of 68, this masterpiece could be heard coming from the cars making the rounds through the thoroughfare while incense filled my nostrils in the head shops that attracted my attention....cool kids lined the boardwalk and eyed one another, French girls who knew no English, American boys, 15 years old trying to be cool and hook up as the music took us all someplace we would never again be......we were really Born to Be Wild but someday we would grow old and remember!
Sonically beautiful! 45s are so underappreciated.
"HEAVY METAL THUNDER" - Arguably 3 of the baddest words ever written and put to music. It's hard to listen to BTBW without the "Easy Rider" intro scenes coming to mind. They are inexorably linked forever.
It's where the Gender term Heavy Metal got its name from!
Even described by Ed Sullivan as "those heavy metal rock 'n' rollers'
This song mentions the word "heavy metal" in its lyrics-A certifiable classic!
The drums sound incredible on this!
Will live forever ♾️
very cool.....all the 45's were epic....thanks so much for sharing...this.
Fire all of your guns at once and, explode into space . . . 'nuff said
The best biker song ever, bar none.
Honestly, that's the BEST I EVER heard this song! Nice Hot Sound.
What driving power. Man, that really takes me back to my first car when I used to blast this song on my Realistic High Powered Cassette Deck.
Many Thanks. You made my day!
This is the only way to listen to this song. Pure power.
Have a copy of this mono mix, very loud and rough, prefer it over the stereo album version.
This 'mix' is truly incredible - a work of genius by whoever produced and engineered it!
Gabriel Mekler, assisted by engineer Bill Cooper at American Recording.
Yes! Every collector needs more than one turntable, and a specific stylus for playing certain records. A mono cartridge is built specifically with a mechanism to track a laterally cut groove. This is one reason your juke boxes sound so gutsy and musical. It is the mono cartridge, and tube circuitry. But as I have pointed out, the plus side has a minus side, where you may be straddling a fine line of damaging your records. Please see pinch effect as the vintage carts can not deal with it.
The monaural cartridge, unlike a stereo alignment at 45/45 degrees, its coils are aligned at 180 degrees which is exactly in line with a laterally cut monaural groove. So, more mechanical energy is efficiently converted into an electrical signal with less loss. The result is improved inner detail, higher dynamic range, more emotional sound. (than a stereo cart mixed to mono) These carts are lighter tracking than vintage mono carts, so wear isn't an issue, and compatible with any medium mass arm.
Very interesting your comments. Thanks for the info and I hope you are still enjoying very much the mono vinyl experience!
OMG - This record will be 50 years old next year in 2018!
The old folks swore up and dwn that Id cranked the dbs on the ole Philco when this one dropped..LOL. VENUS was another HOT 45. Liked hearin those 12s suffer...LOL
Ooooh, wobbly toward the end. Such a hallmark of 45s.
I can't be;believe why Steppenwolf is not in the Rock and Roll HOF. Just this one song is so incredibly iconic.
@Lockemeister Don’t forget “The Pusher”, “Magic Carpet Ride”, and a couple of others.
As far the HOF, I imagine that John Kay probably told Jan Wenner to “Shove h”.
You're right. it's a never ending Power Play. The people running the show is like a Monster ( on the loose, who's got our heads into the noose). I wish Sam would stop stepping on the grass too.
Heavy metal thunder!
Boy, in those days I loved "smoke" and "lightnin'." (9-8-18)
Beatiful song
I agree with your comment about using a different size tip, especially a .6 m,il conical on a highly modulated monaural 45 groove. They were mixed and cut to sound good on AM radio, and cheap record changers of the era which had stiff ceramic cartridges (Such as Astatic on RCA machines) But these cartridges were hungry for vinyl, and really ate them up. So, a realistic alternative would be a .6 mil tip for a high compliance magnetic cartridge, which tends to track unworn parts of the groove.
The first heavy metal hit.
Problem Child and Armed And Dangerous brought me here.truly classic rock hit from the 60's.but it all started with the movie Easy Rider.
Pinch effect is least understood of all mis-tracking problems. This can be found online, and a site with diagrams showing the geometry of how this happens. Pinch effect distortion occurs when the contact points shift rotationally AROUND the tip as it tracks the wiggles of the groove. As the stylus swings across, it "sees" the groove as narrower and is physically forced upward, as the original cutting stylus was not. This upward movement is not part of the signal, so the cause of the distortion
This is the one that I have.
Yes, the tip pressure is what it's all about. You need sufficient pressure (via tip size and tracking force) to keep the stylus in contact with the groove walls, track the hills & dales without losing contact. Conversely, too much force at the tip WILL score the groove wall, in worst case hack off parts of it. (then grinding in the debris upon the next play) There is also the abrasion of any dirt in there, dulling the groove, hence the gray appearance of a worn groove. Always a plus & a minus.
The tech posts I have contributed are for education, and are according to my opinion (and experience) :) Other opinions may differ, and perfectly valid in someone else's experience. In the world of analog audio, the rules can be bent a lot, so, sometimes there is no right or wrong, only what is best for a particular system and listener. In regard to mono 45's, the system they are played on DOES make a difference. Most of all, a mono cartridge tracking a bit heavier than stereo is reasonable.
Thanks for your knowledgeable comments!
Éste disco lo compre en pistahielo insurgentes Sur! No lo había en cualquier lado..cuando recién salió el el radio..
Pinch effect is a fact of life with records. The line contact tip closely resembles the cutting tip, so pinch effect is almost nonexistent. On the other hand, a conical tip gets squeezed at the inner groove area, an elliptical tip less squeeze. This is why it's bad to play a record on an old mono ceramic cartridge. The mechanical mechanism can not move up and down. The stylus digs in against the mass (inertia) of the arm which can not move fast enough. This is why the inner groove wears first.
NE to to Phoenix. I was a puppy then. Changed our young lives. Bravo John Kay 💕 my first crush voice. Great band sounds i NEVER wanna die. It's end of March 2020. World is on lock down it seems. Peace thenm peace NOW. Don't surrender. Let em all fall. Those palaces, castles, mansions and all. Rome burned before for reason. We're all watching now. Listen. Or not. Choose to survive.
I heard this at Puente Hills Mall (City of Industry) yesterday at Toys R us..though of course in that case as always nowadays..the LP verison. Strange the video (not just the song) is 3:30 long, same as the LP version (over half a minute longer than the single..suroprised the LP version was't 4 and a half minutes like Magic Carpet Ride).
You can finally get this and all of Steppenwolf's mono single mixes on this 2-CD set! www.amazon.com/ABC-Dunhill-Singles-Collection/dp/B00ZB7Q9XO/ref=sr_1_15?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1519040213&sr=1-15&keywords=steppenwolf
I intend to purchase a mono cartridge soon. I have read the reviews. Plus I have three vintage mono hi fi sets, two of which have vintage ceramic cartridges (I would not play my best records on) So, I have experienced the fullness, and dynamics of the mono 45's played on a vintage record player with an original mono cartridge. My RCA orthos, restored and recapped, sound amazing, even the table top models with a few watts fill the room with sound.
Thanks for this. This rocks. I like the way this is tightened up for radio and the mix. Different than the album version, and they both are cool, but I really like this.
I like most your observation about cartridges with stiffer mechanical assemblies, and heavier tracking, also adding mass to the headshell. This applies only to heavily modulated 45's, and not good at all for LP's. As I responded, groove wear becomes the consequence, even when using a 1 mil tip. The larger groove width at the top of the groove will certainly accommodate a 1 mil tip, as it will ride higher in the groove, and track well up to about 12 Khz. more...
I have to get this one. The right amount of distortion like it.
There is another version of Born To Be Wild out there! There is a version with a different and LONGER COLD FADE ending . I looked on TH-cam and elsewhere and it isn't available on the web. It is supposedly available on "Vintage Music Vol. # 9 & 10". I guess Steve Hoffman found a surviving master tape and was able to include it with the Vintage Music series issued in the late 1980's. If anyone has the longer version, put it out on TH-cam.
Probably one of the worst business decisions ever made in the history of the entertainment industry was when the suits at ABC/Dunhill had the original studio master tapes tossed into the garbage to save money on storage costs in the early 70's. That means Steppenwolf, Three Dog Night, The Grassroots, Mamas and the Papas original masters are gone for good. Unless of course someone had the foresight to save something from the landfill.
Of course the worst decision of all time in the history of the entertainment industry was when Decca Records didn't sign up the Beatles when they had a chance to. But that is another story....
EMI does keep their master tapes preserved, although they threw away the tapes for two Beatles singles: Love Me Do / P.S. I Love You (the single version of "Love Me Do" had its master tapes discarded and the Andy White version never received a stereo mix) and She Loves You / I'll Get You.
Of course, even the original stereo masters are gone forever. Most of those recordings were in that master storage incident at Universal where the warehouse they were in burned to the ground in the early 2000s.
I didn't know about the master tapes. Thank you
Aside from the technical quality of this old 45rpm, Some here seem to miss the point. Steppenwolf played the bikers music! This bring me back riding my 1340 HD down a paved rural country road heading for Laconia NH bike week, in my younger years. Wabcradio: You have a good verity of music. Thank You!
Make that please, a magnetic monaural cartridge which is made for playing mono, but has up and down compliance to minimize wear caused by pinch effect in the groove. Current mono magnetic (and moving coil) carts on the market are safe for stereo records, as they will track them without damaging them, but the output will be in mono.
in my teenhood this wild
Good record.
Good suggestion for a conical stylus, and some .3 x.7 ellipticals. ABC's cartridge has a "stereohedron" type, or "line contact" which contacts more of the groove wall. The VTA should not be changed, as this will throw the stylus contact pattern out of line with the record groove.
yes i have this and the song is slightly edited!!!
I love your channel, you have the real versions, that's how those songs are supposed to sound, too bad most people don't have the records or don't even know the classics are not supposed to sound like they do on digital remasters and stereo mixes or whatever.
why can't record companies "just copy the record" as it is to cd or streams or whatever?, why do they use wimpy thin sounding mixes that don't represent the original records?.
To be fair, they often do. There are many, many examples where the correct mono mixes of '60s singles have made it to CD
But I think the advice given to you back in '84 was ill-advised. The more aggressive cuts are designed to track the groove as it was cut by the cutting head. They are shaped more like the cutting head. This greatly lowers distortion, (reduces "sibilant distortion, an "s" sounding like an "sh") and almost completely eliminates "pinch effect distortion" at the inner groove area near the label. ABC's Stanton tracks the inner groove with no increased distortion, something a conical tip can't do.
Good comments bopper, however, the higher mass arm and headshell, with heavier tracing forces of 11 grams will take its toll on the record groove. Especially NM and mint condition records are becoming more scarce, so there may be a better choice to get better sound, and preserve their condition, even with perhaps 100 or more plays. The major manufacturers offer high compliance monaural cartridges that track at about 2.5 grams. The coils are aligned 180 degrees, same as a laterally cut groove.
Mars Bonfire actually had an album with this tune!
This record sounds like it was cut a little off center. It's cool, though. Thank you for sharing.
The elliptical stylus does require careful setup. A fine Line tip requires perfect azimuth (+/- a degree) I agree the alignment should favor the more difficult to track inner groove area. What's nice about a conical stylus is that it's not fussy. It will perform satisfactorily well even when misaligned. But again, a properly set up elliptical will outperform most conical tips. I happen to like a .6 mil conical for 45's since it tracks lower in the undamaged part of the groove.
The Raving Rabbids brought me here.
Born to be Wild - Guitar - 100%
A tad off-center, but still sounds awesome.
Heavy Metal got its name from a lyric from this "Heavy Metal Thunder"!
There is a really cool mix of Born to Be Wild but it only came out on a CD. I guess it was around 1989 or 1990. It was a compilation CD called vintage music volumes 9 and 10. It was a different mix and it didn't fade out. It just kind of stopped. I wish I could upload this version by Android.
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This is also the version that was played in heavy rotation on WVWA Pound Ridge NY. 9-double-Oh RADIO!!! Before they changed format and simply became "NINE"
Esta verdion no empieza con las motos???😢😢😢
Great sounding 45 Spencer. Looks like Dunhill was in the middle of a label change at the time this song was current. I've seen both this label you own and the prior label with no ABC logo. My WLP copy has the older style label. I'm guessing this was the time ABC took over Dunhill??
The official new ABC Dunhill label started at around the time this record was released, so you are probably correct that some pressing plants had the old Dunhill only labels still in stock to use up during the change. Check out the website 45-sleeves.com, which goes into extreme detail about the labels and the sleeves that the records originally came in. Thanks for listening!
WABCRADIO77 so nice to find womone else who collected 45.s most of mine are packed away and some i've given away thanks for not playing with the sound and steroizing love the drums on this song
WABCRADIO77 Thanks, uh,Spencer (I'm assuming that kis you :)). I have this record.
@@WABCRADIO77 Aroind 1968 or so.
tbh i actually decided to buy this 45 after the first time watching this video
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VIDEO NOT AVAILABLE WHAT!!!!
+Carrington k Use an extention called browser, it's a simple vpn.
7/13? I thought 7/6/68 was the date.
Not an accident. Done on purpose.
any one heard of the human expression ??? well they were a great garage psych band & they turned this song down & recorded another song written by mars bonfire called who is burning but stepping wolf recorded this song & become massive.yeah the mono mix sounds much better & i noticed you have a fine stylus there as well.great post i just got given the same record deck but the pitch control dont work but ive got a technics 1210 with a autofon concorde club stylus its the best one they make for analogue records great post peace....
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Heavy metal begins here
great classic. question how did you record the sound on youtube? I've tried to post tracks on here but only way I can do it is by using the Mic from my camcorder which as we all know sounds like crap.
"slightly edited!"
NOT edited, but even better than that, a different recording.
1968.
Get your motor runnin'
오토바이에 시동을 걸어
Head out on the highway
고속도로로 나가
Lookin' for adventure
모험을 찾아서
And whatever comes our way
무엇이든 우리에게 온다면.
Yeah Good I gonna make it happen
그래 좋아 되게 만들거야
Take the world in a love embrace
사랑의 포옹으로 세상을 가져봐
Fire all of your guns at once
니가 가진총을 한번에 발사해봐
And explode into space
그리고 우주로 폭발해봐
I like smoke and lightning
난 연기와 번개를 좋아하지.
HEAVY METAL Thunder
헤비메탈 번개와
Racin' with the wind
바람과 함께 달리고
And the feelin' that I'm under
그리고 내가 그밑에 있다고 느껴
Yeah God I gonna make it happen
오 하나님 되게 만들거에요
Take the world in a love embrace
사랑의 포옹으로 세상을 가지고
Fire all of your guns at once
네가 가진총을 한번에 발사해서
And explode into space
우주로 폭발할거에요
Like a true nature's child
참된 자연의 아이처럼
We were born, born to be wild
우리는 거칠게 태어났지
We can climb so high
우리는 아주 높이 기어올라갈수있어
I never wanna die
절대로 죽고싶지 않아
Born to be wild
거칠게 태어났지
Born to be wild
거칠게 태어났지
Get your motor runnin'
오토바이에 시동을 걸어
Head out on the highway
고속도로로 나가
Lookin' for adventure
모험을 찾아서
And whatever comes our way
무엇이든 우리에게 온다면.
Yeah Good I gonna make it happen
그래 좋아 되게 만들거야
Take the world in a love embrace
사랑의 포옹으로 세상을 가져봐
Fire all of your guns at once
니가 가진총을 한번에 발사해봐
And explode into space
그리고 우주로 폭발해봐
Like a true nature's child
참된 자연의 아이처럼
We were born, born to be wild
우리는 거칠게 태어났네
We can climb so high
아주 높이 기어올라갈수 있어
I never wanna die
절대로 지고싶지 않아
Born to be wild
Born to be wild
This single version is a completely different recording from the LP version, typical of many Steppenwolf singles. Same with Three Dog Night, also a Dunhill Records artist.
They were NOT album versions edited and mixed for 45s.
You can only get this great mono single version on this original black label Dunhill 45. ABC/MCA oldies 45s made in the late 1970s-1980s feature the LP version. Avoid these!
DGolus I'll bet that the song also was recorded at the length that it is and not edited from the different take, either (same with Magic Carpet Ride).
DGolus And it doesn't end with Dunhill.
Columbia,Motown (concidentally now sharing ownership with Dunhill and many others at Universal) and Elektra (then an independent, of course, before the 1970s Warner buyout with Atlantic) also had drastically different single versions,too...
Just taking 1968, and going thru early 70 with just those three:
Columbia:
"The Time Has Come Today" by the Chambers Brothers was, of course, one of the oddests ducks ever, being first a 1966 recording then in 1967-68 redone on the album "Time Has Come" as an 11 minute long song then trimmed for two different lengths on single and released in the summer of 1968, a month after Dunhill released that fabulous Steppenwolf song "Born to be Wild."
Blood Sweat Tears's singles all seem to have odd single versions...of the big three of 1969 that radio still plays, "Spinning Wheel" (May) has a replaced instrumental break, which has been said to be replaced for the album, meaning that the very brief part (near the final verse/chorus) of "Spinning Wheel"'s an original, as on 45, and that (a la Tommy James/Shondells's Roulette release* from 1968-69, :"Crimson and Clover") the longer part on the LP's actually a SPLICE in, then on "Spinning Wheel" the closing sample of "Did you ever see a Lassie" is heard on the last few seconds unlike the full ending 4 minute long ending. (Other Blood, Sweat and Tears" 1969 hits, "You've Made Me So Very Happy" and the capper, "And When I Die" have more conventional editing.)
Motown:
1970's Rare Earth single "I'm Losing You (I Know)" on the 11:00 minute album version, seem to be a different recording entirely than the mono single. This was, of course, following the "song proper" excerpt of their 22 minute long "Get Ready" which was just an immense edit and the same recording but mono.
Elektra:
What can I say? Judy Collins's "Both Sides Now" and The Doors's single "Touch Me" (1968/1969) have much, er, touching up: Collins's (November 1968) single being rerecorded for the 1972 "Colors of" compilation so as to change at least a lyric in the final (3rd) chorus: "From give and take" instead of the original "From win and Lose". "Both Sides Now" had first original on a 1967 album "Wildflowers" and the versions' the same as the single there. The Doors's
Touch Me" (December 1968) also had a later album version which, I understand, was the same take but heavily overdubbed. Both, btw had a notable xylophone and harpsichord, in "Touch Me's" case especially on the romantically smooth done final chorus vocal on the 1969 album "Soft Parade" . But no album version of "Touch Me" existed before the single.
But anyhow, in short, more and more companies were doing often different recordings of songs.
*Coincidentally, if not ironically, BOTH Dunhill AND Roulette very shortly thereafter in the early 70s shared the ABC/Dunhill Goldies 45 orphanage, later fostered by Universal when MCA took over the library.
Only the Mix is slightly different.
@@SteveCarras RCA too had different Mono mixes done as well.
True, Magic Carpet Ride had its own 45 mix, as did Joy To The World by Three Dog Night (Old Fashioned Love Song too I believe).
You should be the next Dr. Ebbetts who is the best Go to Guy of The Beatles Bootleggers out there who's pro sounding Needle Drop CD Recordings of the entire Beatles Catalog of Albums from around the world sound even better than the official releases. He and his team of audio engineers have cleaned up the audio tracks all the way and the vinyl sound coming through in digital format sounds richer and warmer. You should do the same and get your 45 singles digitally cleaned up all the way and really bring out the Monophonic Punch in the singles.
I've actually given that idea some serious thought! But I have no desire to fight lawyers over copywrite infringement, so it would have to be done legally - and that is the problem. While many copywrite owners may be ok with the idea, others may not. I just had Simon & Garfunkel take down my "Sounds of Silence" 45 RPM mono posting, as they only like the stereo versions. The mono mix of that tune is just awesome, and now it's gone... So stay tuned!
WABCRADIO77 NO NO NO please leave the sound alone i've heard so many classic songs i loved or liked ruined that way everyone want to balance them the way they like them instead of leaving it along
True , they hv done great things but....the Nature of the beast still has to be dealt with which is in the digital transforms and then back to analog, to be able to hear your work.Music was forever changed in 1983. Up to that year we had lived in a digital-audio-free world, where musicians and the music industry flourished in a state of pure analog bliss. Vast numbers of people actually listened to music--without doing anything else--on a regular basis.
An analog recording corresponds the variations in air pressure of the original sound. A digital recording is a series of numbers that correspond to the sound's continuous variations, but the numbers have to be reconverted to analog signals before they can be listened to. No wonder analog and digital sound so different from each other.
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The ONLY version worth listening to for me. Makes the album version look sick and weak
Wanted to listen but in Austria/Europe it's impossible, cause has content of PEDL, Warner Chappell...
WTF!?
:-(
This is the ONLY mix I listen to. The stereo mix of this (and damn near all ABC-Dunhill stuff for that matter) just plain sucks. No nicer way of putting it.
Record is way off-centered. Like a swirling motion. Not good, I guess Dunhill's pressing machines need to be re-calibrated!
Guessing this is joke lol if anything the label is off centered
My copy of the 45 is like this one too. Still a treasure.
That copy sounds very worn out (and the turnable has not constant turns, too). But hey, great song :)
This is what Led Zeppelin wanted to play like