Harley Speakers. Do They Sound Better in The Pods?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ค. 2019
- In this video I explore whether or not speakers in a Harley fairing sound better in an enclosure or in an open fairing.
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No Enclosure, 5:33
With Enclosure 5:45
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Well this sealed the deal. I’m going to put them behind my boat speakers before I install them. Otherwise there open to air on the back. I was on the fence but now my minds made up. Thanks for the video!!
Great advise to get the baffles! Thank you.
I could tell a big difference on my iPhone 12 Pro Max! Without it was more Pingy!! But with the pods it was more deep and clear!!
Good demonstration.....well done.....
I played it through my home Bluetooth speaker and it sounds better with the baffles install
Thanks for doing this comparison. I have senn the boom Mat products before. I can hear a difference and prefer the sound with the baffles.
Great video you’re on the right track hard enclosures on the speakers are much better than the soft!! 👍🇺🇸😎
Sounds very airy without and fatiguing. With the pods it’s more definition and pleasurable Great Video!
Right on, thank you.
You can definitely hear the difference. You can hear the eq difference and its definitely less tinny.
I have a 2010 FLHX, I just put dynamat on my fairing; that made a difference
Well I was listening to this on my TV with a high-dollar Klipsch surround system and without a shadow of a doubt shadow of a doubt the baffles sounded much much better!
Right on. 👍🏻 Thanks for watching.
Thanks for the video it helped
Here is something you can try. As you said the fairing is like an enclosure, you could put some poly fill around each speaker and maybe put some double sided weather stripping along the the halves of the fairing to seal the enclosure a little better.
The two speakers play independant of eachother but without seperate enclosures and using the fairing air space as a common air space, both speakers will cause a negative impact on each other. All speakers require air space to function properly and those tiny foam buckets dont cut it. Those speakers are meant to work in a car door type area. Compare those foam buckets to a car door space..if you want to do a good comparison, try one comparing the sound using those flimsy foam buckets to the sound of the stiff factory buckets with sound dampening (Dynamat) on them..
Thanks for the video, I just bought these baffles to put in my door speakers to eliminate rattles and such but I can definitely tell a sound difference, they sound much better with them a more richer fuller music, noticed the The highs were not as mechanical sounding so to speak.
Glad I could help.
Without baffle had deeper midbass but with Baffles had Tighter midbass and control!
Definitely sounds warmer with the baffles
Glad I found this. I'm doing a little project for my Road King with a custom fairing - it currently has 4x 5.25" kickers in the fairing and they're free-air into the internals of that fairing.
I'll be taking some of those speaker baffles and laying fiberglass in them to create individual "pods" or enclosures to give them a little bit of restriction - hopefully that creates enough backing-room for them to have just a little bit of bump while keeping the clarity I get with these speakers. That's my only complaint is that there is zero low-end.
You’ll be hard pressed to get any bottom end out of 5.25 speakers no matter what you do. The best advice I can give you, if it’s within your budget, is to look into adaptors to swap out the 5.25’s for 6.5’s and then hit them with some good power. You will be amazed at the difference. Even if more power is not in the budget, the difference will be night and day with just the bump up in size. Thanks for watching.
@@i.b.lancer I'd LOVE to put some 6.5s in however the fairing doesn't allow for that - it's 4x 5.25's.
I saw somewhere that the main purpose of enclosing the speaker is to separate the sound waves coming out the front (what you wanna hear) from what's coming out the back (what you don't). The reason is the sound waves coming out the back are 180° out of phase from the ones coming out the front (they're exact opposites) and both together will cancel each other out. So at least mount the speakers to some kind of plane extending out past the diameter of the speaker itself to help separate the sound waves. Ported boxes can take some of these waves at a certain frequency (that's why they need to be tuned) and as it travels down the port it is reversed so that it is back in phase with the waves coming out the front. That's why a preyed box performs really well but only at a narrow range of frequencies according to how it is tuned. A sealed box is considered best all around because it uses the air contained inside as a buffer to keep the driver from traveling too far inwards and outwards resulting in a tougher base with more tighter response and all around better sound at all frequencies.
Just thought I'd throw that in there, i been researching those tiny bullet shaped pods they been putting on handlebars lately. Tip, they are cheaper, easier to find, and available in bigger sizes when you look them up as marine speaker pods...
you are correct, but speakers like this need to breathe alot of air, since they are really made to be put in enclosures as big as a car door or car trunk.
So as you say ported is also an option but hard to do on a motor cycle, and sealed box is killing the low bass for such small speakers.
I gues he can cutout a circle in the bottum of the foam cup to make them have less air pressure since these are free air speakers they really dont need any enclosure pressure at all.
as you said you dont wanna hear the back of the speaker so this foamcup with a hole in it might be a good way to seperate the out of phase soundwaves coming trough the tiny gaps in the plastic and will make the plastic resonate less with higher frequencys.
For now i think that foamcup closed is just to small for the speaker to be loud enough when driving that motorcycle. (his amp can take it, but it cost alot more power for the same volume)
To bad that sealed speakers need alot more power for loudnes.
@@cybernaab that’s exactly what I did pretty much right after making this video. I cut the bottoms out of the foam cups. I’ve since upgraded to biketronics 7.1 pro speakers with their aperiodic ring on them.
@@i.b.lancer Yes good idea, and ive seen that newer video where you mounted the open baffle enclosures onto the back of the speaker i really like that enclosure design
I do agree everybody hears things differently I was thinking the second one sounded quieter
With way less distortion so you need a better set of speakers with a better amp.... Oh ya....
Adding a bit of depth to the lower end will make the higher end sound less aggressive and tingy.
I honestly couldn't tell a difference but with that being said I'd enclose them for the hell of it 🤷🏾♂️
I've tried these on my bike and didn't like them, I lost depth and lots of sound. On my Victory I learned a neat trick for getting tighter midbass and more sound from my speakers (similar to running them in a large sealed enclosure). Try wrapping the backs of the speakers with poly fill. Cut a 3-4" strip about 3' long and wrap the back of the speaker tightly. You will be amazed.
What "poly fill" are you referring to? The only poly fill that I'm aware of is the pillow filling kind of stuff
@@aamantium1the same stuff, but it comes in a roll instead of a loose bag. It's called poly fill matt.
@@s.in.bagger9933 gotcha. I'm having trouble imagining how you secured that material to the back of a speaker
@@aamantium1 use 4"x36" strips and wrap it somewhat snug around the rear of the of the speakers. I then used a few 1"x6" strips of gorilla tape to secure the poly fill in place.
@@s.in.bagger9933 I'll give it a shot. Thanks for the tip
They sounded better without the baffles. Their was more bass without the baffles.
Without the opening of the Amazon package included I feel ... I have no feelings left...
Big difference with the Baffles...
I agree. Thanks for watching.
you went through all that work to paint the washers black....thats on the inside of the fairing! LOL
no rust, and it softens the edge, but yeag bit overkill :D hes a pro
So if there is no difference with or without you might as well go without for more room to add the speakers that you want when upgrading your system.
Sounds better without the baffles!
would have been nice for a fairing on/ baffles off.
with baffles it sounds fuller, you lose a smidge of volume so its SPL vrs SQL. I myself like the fuller sound for the minimal volume decrease.
Fairing was on in both tests.
I have a 2007 street glide and I currently have sinister sounds speaker pods which I love.. but I’m seriously considering going back to the stock support bracket and just getting the 5.25-6.5” speaker adapter and get rid of the pods… but idk if the sound quality would be better or worse in my 07 without the speaker pods.. 🤯
So what did you end up doing?
The baffles sound better hands down. The sound was cleaner, and the bass was deeper.
I agree. Thanks for your input.
Keep in mind flexible foam and hard plastic will act very differently. Air space is very speaker specific. I get what you where trying to do in theory but.......
The results speak for themselves.
@@i.b.lancer my point is that the stock are prob much better than the foam
The baffles gave it more mid range.
With headphones on I can definitely hear a difference...with the baffles it is less "tinny" and more full...I'm sure that may drown SPL and for a motorcycle that's a negative...but it sounds better with them on to me. How were they on an actual ride? Could you notice anything then? Also, what speakers are those you are running?
Those speakers were the discontinued 100w Hawg Wired 6.5’s. I’ve since swapped them out for the Biketronics 7.1’s
Without is louder and has more high end sibilance
El jefe makes a much better speaker baffle for 6.5 it's a hard baffle not that soft foam baffle I don't like that one that one belongs behind the speaker inside of a car door install the hard baffles and you really notice the difference
norman matura... I didn’t know about the El jefe one, I’ll check it out. Thanks for the tip.
@@i.b.lancer that product is what's normally used in sound competitions for a bagger audios systems generally they'll take a 6x9 lid and convert it over to a 6 and 1/2 and use the hard baffles behind it lots of times it's used to isolate the sound waves from the Miz base drivers that are in the saddlebag in order to keep them from distorting the six and a half, when it plays..😎
He’s right hard enclosures much better than the soft you will definitely notice a difference tighter cleaner sound!!! All the good Harley sound systems are now rocking hard enclosures could also try some sound deadening on the inside of the faring it also helps with vibration! And you could rocket on the inside of your saddlebags also sound deadening helps a lot!
Where do you get the mounts to get rid of the enclosures
Biketronics makes those. Depending on where you are I have a set sitting here that I would be willing to sell you at a reduced rate.
Just for the record that is not an enclosure that's like a 1/2 of a condom. Speakers are always gonna sound better in an enclosure period
Was the outer fairing installed during the test without the baffles? If not, cancelation occurs which botches the results of the test. However, the same can occur if the fairing has large gaps between inner and outer. That is the conundrum that the stock pods try to solve.
In both cases the fairing was installed tight and riding ready. I should mention that the outer fairing has a layer of Dynamat on the inside.
Good. I was worried if that had affected the results though without the baffles the bass punch was deeper
I think no baffles sound better. Idk 🤷🏼
Hmmmm... sounds a lot cleaner
Was there? All that powder coating...and I’m waiting for your opinion.
The pods give the entire fairing structural integrity. How does the baffle change the tone of the tweeter? 🤔
Structural integrity is laughable. They haven't needed it for 100 years. The bottom line for Harley is that the pods make it harder for the buyer to do speaker swaps and forces the average Joe to take it to Harley to do any modifications to the fairing speakers. Period.
And Look up Aperiodic Loudspeaker Enclosure Design. It doesn't really have anything to do with the tweeter.
The speaker left and right 6 inch or 7 inch ?
6” in this video. They were later on replaced with 7”
@@i.b.lancer the original is 6 inch ?
I believe the stock upper fairing speaker size is 5.25”. The speakers in this video are not the stock speakers they are 6 inch Hawg Wired speakers.
Can you tell a difference it's hard to hear myself.
i am a musician and there is a huge difference. I would def keep them enclosed because the sound was full and solid with them vs without the sound was thin!!!! if it was my bike i would def rock the enclosures...major difference and while you ride a full sound will help your ear better....
TO ME... they sound better with the enclosure. A more solid, bolder sound
Way better.
What song is that?
It's a song by Sven Karlsson called Running This World.
@@i.b.lancer thanks bro
enclosed sound better
I didnt hear a difference but the fairing should make it sound better being on, speakers need a bigger box and they should sound better
Sad part is, nobody will really hear the difference without a pair of headphones.
Especially if they are watching on their phones lol.
Sad but true.
I listened to it through surround sound with a 12 sub. I hear no difference