@@briangriffith3985 I bet they have a non competitive market contract in place for some years. Volvo wont let them make another engine for sure for some time, at least that's what I would do in their position.
Feeding one 600 hp baby hours on end can hurt the wallet, I can’t imagine feeding quadruplets. If you can afford four of those bad boys the price of fuel is not going to be a concern
actually pretty fuel efficient for what they are.. look it up. not covered in this video. "With outboards of this size, fuel economy is probably moot, but decent figures are achievable. At 30 knots each engine was burning 16 gallons an hour, rising to 58 gallons per hour at 40 knots. The Everglades test boat carries 400 gallons of fuel and the tank was three-quarters full on demo day." either way.. boating is expensive. b.o.a.t. = bust out another thousand
If I understand it correctly, the 627's retailed for $100,000 each. Anyone who ponies up four of these at $400,000 will have no problem paying the fuel bill. As pointed out in another comment, they were actually fuel efficient for their power level.
@@RM-cm8hz Wow, so if you drive 40 nautical miles at 40 knots, that 4-whisk setup will swallow 232 gallons of fuel. Here in the UK, at pontoon prices, gas comes in around £7.50 ($9.30)/gallon. So, your 40-mile trip costs $2,157.60 in fuel alone!! That's taking serious weight out of the fattest wallet.
I’m really surprised that VP killed this outboard, seemed like a real opportunity to gouge even more money from customers for their projects. Fortunately ZF developed the driveline so others can bolt their motors to it.
Zf doesn’t make the transfer case tho. Gotta have that from 7m. It was shelved on purpose. They killed it. The new mercury has a new and unique transmission maybe someone could make an adapter
It’s crazy that mercury now has v10 and v12 engines but they are cruiser engines not race engines. They make 500 and 600 hp. It’s been 6 years since these engines were made. Wonder long long it will take a 600hp racing outboard from mercury. We have the 450r and 360 apex as of now.
Volvo has a history of this... they bought out mack trucks a couple years back, now they're just volvos in drag and no longer offer macks wonderfully overbuilt options once available. RIP
Euro trash commie Volvo petitioned the US government for years to make Paccar (Kenworth/Peterbilt) and Daimler (Freightliner/Western Star) stop making glider trucks (new truck no motor or transmission) because it wasn't fair they said.😢 By the way Mack was wholly owned by Renault in 1990 and Volvo bought them in 2000.
Well if they where so great, why is nobody outside of Hicksville buying them? Misconception on why brands of cars, trucks or other machinery disappears over the years. Most of the time it is that someone else is making a better product and yours go to the grave.
Volvo is several companies, but I imagine all of them will keep what's worth something and ditch the rest, as when Volvo cars told Ford exactly what to do with their subpar products when they owned them.
The owners of 7marine got very well compensated for selling their business. They would have known what it would mean for the future of their company. Employees should be pissed at them, not Volvo
I have seen this happen so many times. Small independent company starts taking part of the market. Big company buys the owners out while promising them continued employment. Then after a discrete pause, original owners are fired along with the staff. Big company wins because they have eliminated a competitor and acquired a lot of innovative ideas.
There is one major difference between a road vehicle engine and Marine/Aviation engines. The road vehicle engine spends most of it's life at less than 20% power - probably less than 10%. Marine/Aviation engines spend most of their lives at more than 80% power. This is why car engines are rarely used as the base for Marine/Aviation engines. The main indicator why the LSA was a bad choice in this case is how the cooling system had to be hugely improved to get it near suitable for marine output levels. And while you can improve the cooling system ancillaries, you can't do much to the actual cooling galleries in the engine itself.
You're overlooking one thing about cooling with those. Intake water temp. In an automotive application, the coolant going back into the engine from the radiator is still hot, just not as hot as what comes out of the engine. In a marine application, the intake water is cold. So as long as you have a sufficiently sized heat exchanger, you won't have heat issues ever. Water to air is massively less efficient than water to water. As for the difference in lifetime load, that all comes down to oil cooling. As long as you keep the oil cool enough to not lose film strength, you can run an engine at full throttle, max RPM all day long without a problem. There's nothing fundamentally different between an automotive engine and a marine/aviation engine. That is especially obvious with diesels that have on road and off road uses. Usually the marine variants are considerably more powerful than the on road variants, despite having no internal differences other than the cam profile. You also do see automotive engines used as inboard marine engines pretty commonly. I've seen all kinds of Chevy small blocks, big blocks, LS's, and straight 6s in boats before, as well as numerous CAT and Cummins engines which can also be had in trucks.
@@Choochinc Actually both are correct. I watch drag racing. So high HP yet time to cool everything down. Boats have water always going thru everything to cool it down and if no oil cooler well that is the issue. If always at 110% or more something is going to break it is just a matter of what will and where it broke. I saw a $100k 4500HP motor break cause he used unknown rods cause his normal ones were out of stock. Made all 8 rods into dust. Same guy used a new company for the crankshaft bolts and well one sheered off and thus didn't break a rod yet tore off the rod cap. It fixed now and he will be doing drag and drive starting Monday with that same motor.
As an engineer for mercury marine during that time, I can promise you that Volvo did not know about the 600 hp v12, and when they found out is when seven marine became worthless.
Seems like a silly statement from you. With respect GM , FORD & CHRYSLER all produce V8's . None have them have thrown out the baby with the bath water or thrown a pity party .
@@lanceaylsworth1363 Gee Donald Trump will have a thing or 2 2 say about that .. Mr Mercury bring the Factory back 2 the USA 🇺🇸 or l will put a massive tax on U .. Why would Mercury do that made in Mexico 🇲🇽 BS.
With the right cam and supercharger pulley and the right tune and even the right gearbox ratio you could make this engine make all its power around 3,500 rpm and it would run good for years.
Another great video, this time with a sad ending... Do you think you could do one about the new Mercury Marine line of V10 and V12's? I think those are also quite unique, and are the only 10 and 12 cylinder outboards in the world, ever, as far as I know... Thank you again for another great video.
When I first saw this at the 2011 boat show in Miami I was surprised because it seemed like all new technology. I was on the invention review committee at the company I worked at so I did a patent pending search, nothing, searched, patents issued, nothing, searched by owners name, up came some trivial stuff from dad when he was at Merc. When I got a close look it seemed to be a variation of existing technologies whose patents have all expired. I wasn’t sure about the trans, now mowing it’s an existing ZF product makes total sense. I’m sure the big Merc V12 uses the same. The company I worked for got eaten up by ZF and served up by John Plant, the pig (and bonus) fattener. He came through our division and booted out 8 guys over 50, most over 55, highly compensated, responsible for building the business and delivering a best in class product. I guess our job was done. Soon after ZF bought a controlling interest. At one time Mr Plant was the highest compensated executive in Michigan. Glad we could help, John. I will never forget his leadership style.
@@williamrgrant Thanks. That’s the hope. At 75 I’ve seen that happen a few times already. GE rise to stardom on the back of a perverted use of Dr Demming’s 6 sigma statistical method was a sham. His house of cards collapsed, the media darling wasn’t seen again on msnbc or cnn-business channel. He’s lucky he didn’t do jail time. Would have been a great stock to short. Lots of insiders and former execs knew he was a fake, published books on his trickery and got no press. They were confusing the issue with facts. Facts are out of fashion with 30% of the population now. I’m a retired engineer that worked primarily in analytics. That fact scares me. My mother and father told me that I would never see anything like The Great Depression that they lived through as young adults. “Dear Mom and Dad: I hope you don’t have to watch from above what is about to happen. “. Thanks again for listening to my morning RANT.
@@ct1762 Understood. I am an engineer. My son is an engineer and an amateur race car enthusiast. He got to the point that he needed a dry sump oiling system on an LS motor he put in a BMW 3 series because of oil starvation issues. Second occurrence. First was a Subaru WRX with his DIY mods to make it into the X version using a HVAC controller that he did the embedded software for as part of his job at a supplier to Chrysler. It was at an ice race in Minnesota. With studded snow tires he was pulling more lateral g’s than on pavement with soft street tires. Who knew. For the LS motor he bought a used NASCAR dry sump system for $3000. I think the 667 team made a financial decision not an engineering decision. I didn’t mean to down play the importance of what Mercury Marine accomplished. It is a well engineered system. The R series motors are phenomenal. I can’t believe that Yamaha or Honda or Suzuki are not forming an alliance to try and upstage Merc. It’s not a matter of sales, it’s a matter of engineering excellence. Japanese post war arrogance (I had to put up with it as a US supplier to Japanese car manufacturers, they like to beat up on the supplier engineers) versus mid-western America (Wisconsin) “We can do this!” Japan beat the shit out of us because of bad management at the Big 3, like Roger Smith and Henry Ford Ii (The Deuce) didn’t take the Japanese commitment to quality seriously. Roger Smith called it a “passing fancy”, like “fins” Roger? He got a bonus every year that GM was slowly going down the toilet.
@@yelyab1 These are NOT good men. They are POS traitors who sold out their country, their neighbors and even their own souls for what? Money, notoriety? They had plenty of both, so why did they do it? The only answer is because they are psychopaths. These are not good men.
@@themotorfreak1 The Oxe brand makes outboard diesels but they are extremely rare and expensive. They are heavier than their Otto counterparts but not twice as heavy.
On the water time is money and if you researched it they were more fuel efficient than .. that's why most cars are built with forced induction now.. it's s a said truth... the big fish ate the small fish to protect its future, just like Beats Apple buying Beats and that pharmaceutical company that makes epi pens bought up its competition and closed them..
They were awful. Broke down alll the time, heavy, bulky, loud, expensive and you had no service network. Maintainence costs on them were astronomical too.
It was a great product, very innovative, and also very expensive, and very expensive to maintain....once word got out that Mercury was developing and working on V10 and V12 outboards, that was the death nail. 7 had no dealer network and had to fly mechanics around the world to maintain these monsters......Mercury has an international dealer network that dwarfs most other outboard companies.....Huge advantage.
I don't own an outboard or even a boat, but I like to watch these awesome outboards on YT. I would think one day someone will squeeze in a tuned 6.6 Duramax on an outboard. All that low end torque would get up on plane pretty quick.
I really don't understand why wakeboarding boats don't run diesels. The low end 1000lbs of torque and 450hp+ of diesels these days that can easibly and reliably be tuned to 700hp+ would get far better fuel consumption making twice the power as the current gasoline engines.
There are 2 VERY BIG reasons that they failed that you missed. 1. Mercury coming out with bigger engines up to 450hp that were half the weight and a lot less money killed sales. 2. The astronomical maintenance costs these things had. I was around a few of them and they were always getting serviced and the only techs that worked on them weren't cheap. I think it's 50hr between each service too That and they were also pretty unreliable and the early gearboxes failed a lot too. They are pretty cool though and sound amazing on startup
@@magnatarbeing8749 The V12 is a NA 7.6L. No boosting. The only boosted engines Mercury produce are under the Racing banner now that the V10 has been launched. The QC4V (9.0L TT V8) and the 500R outboard (4.6L Supercharged V8).
Using a car engine to power a boat is as old as the invention of cars. And even today, most engines used in a majority of boats are automotive based. And the modifications needed to make them live long lives in the salt water world are well known and documented. The automotive world is the feedstock for the production of marine engines. What 7 did was package a high performance automotive v8 power head onto an outboard lower unit and turn it loose in the marine world. It flat out worked, and it sold. But like the OMC v8 outboards, which came onto the scene and literally raised the outboard performance bar to a totally new level, the Chevy V8 outboard did the same for outboards. Now 450hp+ v8 outboards are widely available. Center console boats with 3 to 8 outboards bolted to the transom putting 1000 to to 4500 hp into the water are somewhat common. Now you see those big boats getting to their destinations at 70 to 100+ mph speeds.
"most engines used in a majority of boats are automotive based" That is not true today. Outside of diesel all of Mercury's engines (outboard and sterndrive) are purpose-built marine engines. Including the new sterndrive product. With the 4.5 and 6.2 Mercury went away from GM blocks to avoid the need for VVTI in favor of simple pushrod tech.
Speaking as an Engineer, and a previous owner of an inboard outdrive boat , the idea of adapting an automotive power plant to anything but an automotive application results in bad reliability, too many changes in power direction, too much weight and an overall bad result. After a few years, I couldn't wait to get a power plant that was purpose built for a marine application. It has less weight and MUCH better better reliability. is quieter, with better fuel economy, etc. My suspicion is that these engines were ever intended to be anything other than for someone with too much money to brag about to the hot babes and his other rich buddies.
Minor criticism: I appreciate the fact that you are trying to experiment but I prefer your more conservative thumbnails. I was a bit shocked to see very flashy clickbait style thumbnail from Visioracer. In any case, the video itself was fantastic and as I always I marvel at how your are able to find a topic just as unique and interesting as the previous. Keep up the great work.
I have hired a guy to help boost click-through rate, tbh he came to me offering this service, so it’s him. And yes, this one was a bit crazy and really out of my own style, too. The next video is also going to have his thumbnail and then we will see. Thanks for the criticism, cheers mates!
Watched the company grow with amazement with what they were building and watched them die and knew it would happen when Volvo took hold. It was a short run. I am not clairvoyant but saw this coming. Now Merc has a V12 and no one to compete with. Volvo use to be innovative but guess they settled in at their place at number two. The seven marine was just too cool for them
@@whocares4648 EPA is just a US thing which others don't necessarily follow, ask VW if they ever paid any fines. What you say may be true but I find it hard to believe that Volvo working so closely with GM, a big chunk of their stuff is GM powered, that they would be clueless wether or not they could get an LS engine to comply with any standards. Just like them buying all the last supply of 496s GM made. The government had GM stop production during the bail out crying lack of efficiency but had no concern with volvo purchasing thousands of engines and use them for the next five years after they were discontinued.
@@longsleevethong1457 the R-4360 is pretty common knowledge in the aviation world, been out since 1945, but the average person knows little about it and it's worth watching a video on it, the same as this engine.
@@Hydrogenblonde we’re not talking about 100 year old boat engine history. Nice shot at a fallacy tho. We’re talking about what was a modern production engine seen everyday up until a couple years ago. Also only the transfer case and lower unit is truly unique. The LS engine might be the most widely produced engines in history and The transmission is an off the shelf zf.
I remember being about 17 years old seeing 7th marines outboards and thinking “holy shit. These are the baddest things on the market”. What a bummer they got shit down
As someone who adores this engine it pisses me off what happened to the company. I literally rebuilt my entire boat (a 1978 glastron ssv175 around the design of this engine. It's really incredible how stupid fast it is. On such a small boat. I just pray every time I take it out that nothing goes wrong cuz finding parts is impossible. Imagine now if they took the engine from the ct5 blackwing and built the boat engine around it. I love my cadillacs and until someone takes the engine from a audi rs5 I'll never want to switch from this engine. Just wish mercury or something bought them to keep them going. Cuz let's be honest. Evinrude and 7 marine had am amazing engine design
I think these motors are pretty cool but there's no way they could compete with mercury outboards and the fact that mercury has been around forever they were really cool though and I give the guys who put them on boats lot of credit badass chevy motor
It used to be from about 70 HP the price is reduced as the HP goes up, a 30 hp might cost you $4K, but a 70 hp will come in around $6K. Following this example, a 627 hp O/B should cost you $45K, not $100K plus.
Kind of ironic that Volvo teaming up with Yamaha to build a 60 degree V8 car engine spawned the Yamaha 4 stroke V8 outboard. And now they bought and squelched it's competition.
@@longsleevethong1457 The Ford motor was 90degree cast iron block V8 based on the duratec V6 but with Yamaha designed heads. Yamaha used that engineering and built a 60degree aluminum block. Then Yamaha turned the heads around, went back to timing belts, put in a dry sump, and increased displacement and made it an outboard engine.
The writing was on the wall anyway. The mercury verado 600 has more reliable naturally aspirated power, better fuel economy, lower unit steering, and it’s less expensive. But the verado 600 would not have happened if 7 Marine didn’t kick things off with the 557 and 627.
And now Mercury is making a 600HP outboard and I'm seeing a number of them at the local marinas, they appear to be selling well. So it seems Volvo left something on the table. I wonder if the big outboards were cutting into the Volvo inboard sales and that had something to do with Volvo killing it? If yes, then it seems to have been a mistake as Mercury has picked up where they left off.
Seven, even with Volvo backing it, would never been able to compete with Mercury. Seven was a custom, niche product with very high cost and many outsourced and complicated parts. The Mercury is basically an off the shelf product, normal warranty, have deals in relation to navigation/electronic support. It's developed from the ground up as a marine engine, with all the major parts built in house, and a huge dealer network, way bigger than VP. The moment the v12 Merc was released, the Seven sales would have dropped like a rock.
@@Kowalski301 you're likely right, but there's still a group of people who buy for the flashiness above all else, and the 7 had that. Especially in the category of those big boats. Is a 65 center console with 5 outboards practical? Definitely not, it's a show piece, I think 7 could have continued to sell into that market. No doubt the Mercury would have been a better motor.
@@8180634 There are always people who buy custom or niche products and like to show that off, but the market is small, and the exterior of an outboard is also very limited and streamlined in that regard, and they all essentially look very similar across brands. So a custom paint or decal job is basically "90%" of what people see and all you need to make your outboard "unique" The only other thing people care about is the number of outboards and the HP... So if the quality and performance AND look isn't setting the niche product apart from the competition, there are even less reason to buy it. It would be naive to think that VP didn't run the numbers and saw there wasn't any money in it for them.
The Cox 300hp V8 outboard Diesel has more torque at lower rpms, which means a faster plane and even in tight turns doesn't lose torque or rpms like the rest do. It does weigh more at 866lbs, however the pros out weigh the cons. And fuel mpg's forget about it, it blows them all out of the water. One tank to make it from Miami to Nassau and back, with no stops at Bimini for fuel. Now that's Impressive !
I thought 7 marine outboards were beautiful and the nicest outboards on the the market. What surprised me was how few people had never heard of them and then Volvo buying them and shutting it down!
Okay, but in essence its an azimuth pod mounted to an supercharged LSA. Obviously the gear train would have to be designed in such a way to avoid patent infringement but its basically a 90 degree direction change between an engine platform thats got as much or more suppport in the performance and aftermarket street racing world as anything else; and a pod drive which multiple companies have marketed over the last 20 years. I mean there are LS jet boats and air boats and for that matter SBC 350s in more inboard boats that pretty much all other non-diesel motors. Take a super available and easily upgraded high-hp motor, makena reduction gear jack shaft which isnt a top secret mechanism and add an off the shelf pod drive and wrap ot in some custom molded plastic and Id be hard pressed to consider it a patent issue and its certainly not unable to function in marine environments. Its an assembly of more or less common off the shelf parts using fairly standard gear train fundamentals, it wasnt some kind of perpetual motion machine or fusion reactor
I remember watching a show about a rich guy and his mid size yacht by today's standards talk about filling the fuel tank. He said to fill up will melt your credit card, lol.
This is why I never understand why these small family companies go pulling or allow big companies to invest. This is why we’re loosing so much intervention, advancement in tech, quality products, because there being bought up and shut down
Never ever sell your company to a larger company. They are not investing in you or your ideas. They are literally taking you out of competition and will eventually spit you out with nothing to show. Always stay independent, 6ou control your destiny, not some fancy ceo big shot.
Volvo lied through their teeth, they knew Mercury was coming out with the 600, and it was designed from the ground up as a complete unit. Volvo didn't believe they could go head to head with Mercury, so they just threw in the towel.
What was the point for Volvo Penta to kill this manufacturer? What do they have in that kind of range? Nothing, as far as I know, they never did outboards. The only lousily related thing is the Yamaha V8 that was offered both in Volvo cars and as an outboard marine engine.
They have 430hp gasoline and 1000hp diesel inboards. Rich people mostly buy a ready to run boat, they do not care about inboard or outboard, so they could easily be picking between a Volvo 800-1000hp diesel inboard or a seven marine 600hp gasoline outboard. So it still makes sense to buy out the competition, and the competition was greedy enough to take the money and leave his company.
It was cool but it was a bad idea. Boats require constant sustained power because they can't coast. Using a supercharge, Petrol, V8 motor was the wrong philosphy. These are good for short burst of power and use lots of gas. The right philosophy is OXO marine with a 4.0L twin-turbo , V8, direct injection diesel. It has more torque and can sustain it's power at a lower speed. Plus it gains efficiency at lower throttle levels which what it takes to overcome the constant resistance of water. These motors were special though, It's a shame they sold to Volvo Penta, Volvo does make wonderful marine motors.
When you have a fuel consumption rate that high. Can you carry enough fuel to get to your destination and back? That would be a question for some. Deep sea fishing doesn't have fuel stations.
So sad that Volvo squashed this beautiful engine, but you can be sure that the parents of this company sold this to Volvo for a pretty penny, and where happy to let it go. The employees are the ones that suffer...
The fact that they are using an off the shelf 5.7L LSA chevy engine as the power plant and still have to audacity to charge $100,0000 or more for a single unit just shows how ridiculous insane these outboard motor makers are! They are straight up robbing their customers by charging such stupidly sky high prices like that.
More like how Mercury killed it. They did not talk about the 557 owner being a Mercury project engineer @ Lake X where Mercury R&D'd their hot racing products, might have been payback after Volvo bought control of 557 from him.
5 627HP engines would use about 280 gph at full throttle. Nobody runs at full throttle for long periods of time. At a good fast cruising speed they will burn half that amount.
When a big marine engine company wants to buy your special luxury engine company it’s not for expansion but to eat the company.
Tell that to the comment about how we should be pissed off at the brothers and not vulva, I mean volvo
its how business works. if they sold themselves out, then they're the ones to blame. they only thought of the money in reality
their bread well buttered. i would start up again under a different name
@@briangriffith3985 I bet they have a non competitive market contract in place for some years. Volvo wont let them make another engine for sure for some time, at least that's what I would do in their position.
@Brian Griffith lol which is why you're obviously not a business owner. Cluless.
Feeding one 600 hp baby hours on end can hurt the wallet, I can’t imagine feeding quadruplets. If you can afford four of those bad boys the price of fuel is not going to be a concern
Hmmm... might make Greta break out in a sweat, though!
@@davidstewart4570 HOW DARE YOU...make me moist with the spray of 4 beautiful 600hp supercharged bad ass boat motors 😍
actually pretty fuel efficient for what they are.. look it up. not covered in this video. "With outboards of this size, fuel economy is probably moot, but decent figures are achievable. At 30 knots each engine was burning 16 gallons an hour, rising to 58 gallons per hour at 40 knots. The Everglades test boat carries 400 gallons of fuel and the tank was three-quarters full on demo day."
either way.. boating is expensive. b.o.a.t. = bust out another thousand
If I understand it correctly, the 627's retailed for $100,000 each. Anyone who ponies up four of these at $400,000 will have no problem paying the fuel bill. As pointed out in another comment, they were actually fuel efficient for their power level.
@@RM-cm8hz Wow, so if you drive 40 nautical miles at 40 knots, that 4-whisk setup will swallow 232 gallons of fuel. Here in the UK, at pontoon prices, gas comes in around £7.50 ($9.30)/gallon. So, your 40-mile trip costs $2,157.60 in fuel alone!! That's taking serious weight out of the fattest wallet.
I’m really surprised that VP killed this outboard, seemed like a real opportunity to gouge even more money from customers for their projects. Fortunately ZF developed the driveline so others can bolt their motors to it.
Zf doesn’t make the transfer case tho. Gotta have that from 7m. It was shelved on purpose. They killed it. The new mercury has a new and unique transmission maybe someone could make an adapter
Imagine how beefy the transom is on a boat that has multiple 600 HP outboards on the back.....
It’s crazy that mercury now has v10 and v12 engines but they are cruiser engines not race engines. They make 500 and 600 hp. It’s been 6 years since these engines were made. Wonder long long it will take a 600hp racing outboard from mercury. We have the 450r and 360 apex as of now.
What’s a transom ? Is that where the engines are placed?
@@AhmedHuss7 Yes
They have separate drives. Not shared!
@@shawnsatterlee6035 I'm afraid you have mistaken _Transom_ with *Transmission* freind. They are QUITE DIFFERENT. No disrespect.....
Volvo has a history of this... they bought out mack trucks a couple years back, now they're just volvos in drag and no longer offer macks wonderfully overbuilt options once available. RIP
One more reason not to deal with Volvo
Euro trash commie Volvo petitioned the US government for years to make Paccar (Kenworth/Peterbilt) and Daimler (Freightliner/Western Star) stop making glider trucks (new truck no motor or transmission) because it wasn't fair they said.😢 By the way Mack was wholly owned by Renault in 1990 and Volvo bought them in 2000.
Well if they where so great, why is nobody outside of Hicksville buying them? Misconception on why brands of cars, trucks or other machinery disappears over the years. Most of the time it is that someone else is making a better product and yours go to the grave.
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Volvo is several companies, but I imagine all of them will keep what's worth something and ditch the rest, as when Volvo cars told Ford exactly what to do with their subpar products when they owned them.
The owners of 7marine got very well compensated for selling their business. They would have known what it would mean for the future of their company. Employees should be pissed at them, not Volvo
This
I have seen this happen so many times.
Small independent company starts taking part of the market. Big company buys the owners out while promising them continued employment.
Then after a discrete pause, original owners are fired along with the staff.
Big company wins because they have eliminated a competitor and acquired a lot of innovative ideas.
OP is wrong
There is nothing wrong with selling a company. It happens all the time. That doesn't make it the fault of the founders that Volvo shut it down.
Why? You set up a successful company and are ready to get out, why not sell? It was a Volvo who decided to cut the product line.
That sound as the props dig a hole in the water and the engines wind out🤩! My stars! Thanks the video!
There is one major difference between a road vehicle engine and Marine/Aviation engines.
The road vehicle engine spends most of it's life at less than 20% power - probably less than 10%.
Marine/Aviation engines spend most of their lives at more than 80% power.
This is why car engines are rarely used as the base for Marine/Aviation engines.
The main indicator why the LSA was a bad choice in this case is how the cooling system had to be hugely improved to get it near suitable for marine output levels. And while you can improve the cooling system ancillaries, you can't do much to the actual cooling galleries in the engine itself.
You're overlooking one thing about cooling with those. Intake water temp. In an automotive application, the coolant going back into the engine from the radiator is still hot, just not as hot as what comes out of the engine. In a marine application, the intake water is cold. So as long as you have a sufficiently sized heat exchanger, you won't have heat issues ever. Water to air is massively less efficient than water to water.
As for the difference in lifetime load, that all comes down to oil cooling. As long as you keep the oil cool enough to not lose film strength, you can run an engine at full throttle, max RPM all day long without a problem. There's nothing fundamentally different between an automotive engine and a marine/aviation engine. That is especially obvious with diesels that have on road and off road uses. Usually the marine variants are considerably more powerful than the on road variants, despite having no internal differences other than the cam profile.
You also do see automotive engines used as inboard marine engines pretty commonly. I've seen all kinds of Chevy small blocks, big blocks, LS's, and straight 6s in boats before, as well as numerous CAT and Cummins engines which can also be had in trucks.
Pretty funny being many ppl have LS swapped planes. Because GM!
@@Choochinc Actually both are correct. I watch drag racing. So high HP yet time to cool everything down. Boats have water always going thru everything to cool it down and if no oil cooler well that is the issue. If always at 110% or more something is going to break it is just a matter of what will and where it broke. I saw a $100k 4500HP motor break cause he used unknown rods cause his normal ones were out of stock. Made all 8 rods into dust. Same guy used a new company for the crankshaft bolts and well one sheered off and thus didn't break a rod yet tore off the rod cap. It fixed now and he will be doing drag and drive starting Monday with that same motor.
We got a steve morris/cleetus fan in the house
Yup, maximum constant power for marine uses, max peak power for cars.
As an engineer for mercury marine during that time, I can promise you that Volvo did not know about the 600 hp v12, and when they found out is when seven marine became worthless.
Seems like a silly statement from you. With respect GM , FORD & CHRYSLER all produce V8's . None have them have thrown out the baby with the bath water or thrown a pity party .
That's funny, especially since mercury has come out with one
Reliability is the name of the game and 7 Marine wasn’t and Mercury is yet to be seen with there Mexican made engines.
@@lanceaylsworth1363
Gee Donald Trump will have a thing or 2 2 say about that .. Mr Mercury bring the Factory back 2 the USA 🇺🇸 or l will put a massive tax on U ..
Why would Mercury do that made in Mexico 🇲🇽 BS.
@@Robert-mn8gc Because US workers cost much more per hour and wages are the biggest factor in the price of products.
OMG the LS is everywhere... Great work once again, God bless brother
With the right cam and supercharger pulley and the right tune and even the right gearbox ratio you could make this engine make all its power around 3,500 rpm and it would run good for years.
Another great video, this time with a sad ending... Do you think you could do one about the new Mercury Marine line of V10 and V12's? I think those are also quite unique, and are the only 10 and 12 cylinder outboards in the world, ever, as far as I know... Thank you again for another great video.
I work at a marine dealer. Im 6 feet tall and when i stand next to it im small. They are massive. But sound amazing. 110000 each i think
those are FAR superior to this automotive garbage. they are ground-up marine motors and lighter.
@@ct1762 Yes the Merc 600 is what killed 7 marine
When I first saw this at the 2011 boat show in Miami I was surprised because it seemed like all new technology. I was on the invention review committee at the company I worked at so I did a patent pending search, nothing, searched, patents issued, nothing, searched by owners name, up came some trivial stuff from dad when he was at Merc. When I got a close look it seemed to be a variation of existing technologies whose patents have all expired. I wasn’t sure about the trans, now mowing it’s an existing ZF product makes total sense. I’m sure the big Merc V12 uses the same. The company I worked for got eaten up by ZF and served up by John Plant, the pig (and bonus) fattener. He came through our division and booted out 8 guys over 50, most over 55, highly compensated, responsible for building the business and delivering a best in class product. I guess our job was done. Soon after ZF bought a controlling interest. At one time Mr Plant was the highest compensated executive in Michigan. Glad we could help, John. I will never forget his leadership style.
merc does not use this gearcase
What goes around comes around. He'll have his day of judgment.
@@williamrgrant Thanks. That’s the hope. At 75 I’ve seen that happen a few times already. GE rise to stardom on the back of a perverted use of Dr Demming’s 6 sigma statistical method was a sham. His house of cards collapsed, the media darling wasn’t seen again on msnbc or cnn-business channel. He’s lucky he didn’t do jail time. Would have been a great stock to short. Lots of insiders and former execs knew he was a fake, published books on his trickery and got no press. They were confusing the issue with facts. Facts are out of fashion with 30% of the population now. I’m a retired engineer that worked primarily in analytics. That fact scares me. My mother and father told me that I would never see anything like The Great Depression that they lived through as young adults. “Dear Mom and Dad: I hope you don’t have to watch from above what is about to happen. “. Thanks again for listening to my morning RANT.
@@ct1762 Understood. I am an engineer. My son is an engineer and an amateur race car enthusiast. He got to the point that he needed a dry sump oiling system on an LS motor he put in a BMW 3 series because of oil starvation issues. Second occurrence. First was a Subaru WRX with his DIY mods to make it into the X version using a HVAC controller that he did the embedded software for as part of his job at a supplier to Chrysler. It was at an ice race in Minnesota. With studded snow tires he was pulling more lateral g’s than on pavement with soft street tires. Who knew. For the LS motor he bought a used NASCAR dry sump system for $3000. I think the 667 team made a financial decision not an engineering decision. I didn’t mean to down play the importance of what Mercury Marine accomplished. It is a well engineered system. The R series motors are phenomenal. I can’t believe that Yamaha or Honda or Suzuki are not forming an alliance to try and upstage Merc. It’s not a matter of sales, it’s a matter of engineering excellence. Japanese post war arrogance (I had to put up with it as a US supplier to Japanese car manufacturers, they like to beat up on the supplier engineers) versus mid-western America (Wisconsin) “We can do this!” Japan beat the shit out of us because of bad management at the Big 3, like Roger Smith and Henry Ford Ii (The Deuce) didn’t take the Japanese commitment to quality seriously. Roger Smith called it a “passing fancy”, like “fins” Roger? He got a bonus every year that GM was slowly going down the toilet.
@@yelyab1 These are NOT good men. They are POS traitors who sold out their country, their neighbors and even their own souls for what? Money, notoriety? They had plenty of both, so why did they do it? The only answer is because they are psychopaths. These are not good men.
And at full throttle, four or these engines would use more gas than comes out of a gas pump at full open . How fun.
welcome to boating LOL. Get a diesel boat if you want efficiency, but it will be 2x as heavy, and be inboard only.
If you can afford $100k per engine, you also give zero f^*ks about the fuel bill
@@themotorfreak1 The Oxe brand makes outboard diesels but they are extremely rare and expensive. They are heavier than their Otto counterparts but not twice as heavy.
On the water time is money and if you researched it they were more fuel efficient than .. that's why most cars are built with forced induction now.. it's s a said truth... the big fish ate the small fish to protect its future, just like Beats Apple buying Beats and that pharmaceutical company that makes epi pens bought up its competition and closed them..
Fantastic engine, won't see anything like this nowadays 😢
except for the 600 hp V-12 Mercury Marine
They were terrible.
Good
They were awful. Broke down alll the time, heavy, bulky, loud, expensive and you had no service network. Maintainence costs on them were astronomical too.
Beautiful engineering. The sound is perfect for water application.
It was a great product, very innovative, and also very expensive, and very expensive to maintain....once word got out that Mercury was developing and working on V10 and V12 outboards, that was the death nail. 7 had no dealer network and had to fly mechanics around the world to maintain these monsters......Mercury has an international dealer network that dwarfs most other outboard companies.....Huge advantage.
What you said 💯
Yes, but I'm sure just like when the Verado was introduced, there will be a very limited number if mechanics who can work on and service this engine.
I don't own an outboard or even a boat, but I like to watch these awesome outboards on YT. I would think one day someone will squeeze in a tuned 6.6 Duramax on an outboard. All that low end torque would get up on plane pretty quick.
I really don't understand why wakeboarding boats don't run diesels. The low end 1000lbs of torque and 450hp+ of diesels these days that can easibly and reliably be tuned to 700hp+ would get far better fuel consumption making twice the power as the current gasoline engines.
@@calephillips-pu4kq weight lol
yes and weigh 3x as much.
@@ct1762 there's a 250lb difference in a 5.9 Cummins and the 8.1 gas burner. Try again....
@@calephillips-pu4kqalmost all wakeboard boats in europe are 6 cilinder diesels. Mostly because petrol is unaffordable.
There are 2 VERY BIG reasons that they failed that you missed.
1. Mercury coming out with bigger engines up to 450hp that were half the weight and a lot less money killed sales.
2. The astronomical maintenance costs these things had. I was around a few of them and they were always getting serviced and the only techs that worked on them weren't cheap. I think it's 50hr between each service too
That and they were also pretty unreliable and the early gearboxes failed a lot too. They are pretty cool though and sound amazing on startup
You are right. On top of that, network of service places must something to do with that as well as many people around pointed out
@@VisioRacerPlease do a video on Mercury Marine's 600hp, supercharged V12 "VERADO" out board motor. Thanks.
@@magnatarbeing8749 Mercury's V12 600HP VERADO is not supercharged.
@@magnatarbeing8749 The V12 is a NA 7.6L. No boosting. The only boosted engines Mercury produce are under the Racing banner now that the V10 has been launched. The QC4V (9.0L TT V8) and the 500R outboard (4.6L Supercharged V8).
Yes! More boat content :D
Boat vid
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Using a car engine to power a boat is as old as the invention of cars. And even today, most engines used in a majority of boats are automotive based. And the modifications needed to make them live long lives in the salt water world are well known and documented. The automotive world is the feedstock for the production of marine engines.
What 7 did was package a high performance automotive v8 power head onto an outboard lower unit and turn it loose in the marine world. It flat out worked, and it sold. But like the OMC v8 outboards, which came onto the scene and literally raised the outboard performance bar to a totally new level, the Chevy V8 outboard did the same for outboards. Now 450hp+ v8 outboards are widely available. Center console boats with 3 to 8 outboards bolted to the transom putting 1000 to to 4500 hp into the water are somewhat common. Now you see those big boats getting to their destinations at 70 to 100+ mph speeds.
"most engines used in a majority of boats are automotive based" That is not true today. Outside of diesel all of Mercury's engines (outboard and sterndrive) are purpose-built marine engines. Including the new sterndrive product. With the 4.5 and 6.2 Mercury went away from GM blocks to avoid the need for VVTI in favor of simple pushrod tech.
Speaking as an Engineer, and a previous owner of an inboard outdrive boat , the idea of adapting an automotive power plant to anything but an automotive application results in bad reliability, too many changes in power direction, too much weight and an overall bad result. After a few years, I couldn't wait to get a power plant that was purpose built for a marine application. It has less weight and MUCH better better reliability. is quieter, with better fuel economy, etc. My suspicion is that these engines were ever intended to be anything other than for someone with too much money to brag about to the hot babes and his other rich buddies.
Minor criticism: I appreciate the fact that you are trying to experiment but I prefer your more conservative thumbnails. I was a bit shocked to see very flashy clickbait style thumbnail from Visioracer. In any case, the video itself was fantastic and as I always I marvel at how your are able to find a topic just as unique and interesting as the previous. Keep up the great work.
I was a bit surprised too but after watching the video I think the title is pretty accurate.
Well I’ve never seen one of his videos, and the thumbnail was what made me click.
I have hired a guy to help boost click-through rate, tbh he came to me offering this service, so it’s him. And yes, this one was a bit crazy and really out of my own style, too. The next video is also going to have his thumbnail and then we will see. Thanks for the criticism, cheers mates!
@@VisioRacer The thumbnail is 100% accurate, 0% clickbait.
I am curious how this would be with a Sharrow Marine propeller.
4:08 did anyone else hear the THX sound when the superchargers were winding up?
Great video👏 A wealthy man’s toy aside real people lost their livelihoods when production of this amazing power plant stopped.
I live in SE Wi and worked at the shop that painted all the engines and parts. It was cool while it lasted.
Watched the company grow with amazement with what they were building and watched them die and knew it would happen when Volvo took hold. It was a short run. I am not clairvoyant but saw this coming. Now Merc has a V12 and no one to compete with. Volvo use to be innovative but guess they settled in at their place at number two. The seven marine was just too cool for them
What VP didnt know was that the calibration of these 7 marine engines was not EPA compliant. And thats a huge bloody liability
@@whocares4648 EPA is just a US thing which others don't necessarily follow, ask VW if they ever paid any fines. What you say may be true but I find it hard to believe that Volvo working so closely with GM, a big chunk of their stuff is GM powered, that they would be clueless wether or not they could get an LS engine to comply with any standards. Just like them buying all the last supply of 496s GM made. The government had GM stop production during the bail out crying lack of efficiency but had no concern with volvo purchasing thousands of engines and use them for the next five years after they were discontinued.
Hey Visio can you do a video on the AMC Inline 6 232 3.8L and 258 4.2L and later the updated 4.0 L HO version?
Yes, sure
@@VisioRacer Well written, as always.
I now get why Chris from B is for Build is interested in swapping a pair of LS-family engines into his personal boat.
Chevs into inboard engine boats isn't new.
Wow! Yet again another unusual engine that is not common knowledge. Great work Visioracer.
Pretty common knowledge in the boat world. Been out since 2011.
@@longsleevethong1457 the R-4360 is pretty common knowledge in the aviation world, been out since 1945, but the average person knows little about it and it's worth watching a video on it, the same as this engine.
@@Hydrogenblonde we’re not talking about 100 year old boat engine history. Nice shot at a fallacy tho. We’re talking about what was a modern production engine seen everyday up until a couple years ago. Also only the transfer case and lower unit is truly unique. The LS engine might be the most widely produced engines in history and The transmission is an off the shelf zf.
@@longsleevethong1457 it's still worth watching a video on it.
@@Hydrogenblonde i actually did look it up lol
Kind of light on the rationale of purchase and discontinuation by Volvo - which was the whole point of your video!
I remember being about 17 years old seeing 7th marines outboards and thinking “holy shit. These are the baddest things on the market”. What a bummer they got shit down
As someone who adores this engine it pisses me off what happened to the company. I literally rebuilt my entire boat (a 1978 glastron ssv175 around the design of this engine. It's really incredible how stupid fast it is. On such a small boat. I just pray every time I take it out that nothing goes wrong cuz finding parts is impossible. Imagine now if they took the engine from the ct5 blackwing and built the boat engine around it. I love my cadillacs and until someone takes the engine from a audi rs5 I'll never want to switch from this engine. Just wish mercury or something bought them to keep them going. Cuz let's be honest. Evinrude and 7 marine had am amazing engine design
I'm sorry but I just don't believe you. When are you going to upload a video of your boat to your channel?
This is something I didn't existed, another great video, thanks for sharing 👍.
With the latest breakthrough in propeller design, imagine how much more efficient these monster engines could have been...
Oh yeah... MIT students developed that new toroidal propeller design that is 50% more efficient. ....Crazy man.
I think these motors are pretty cool but there's no way they could compete with mercury outboards and the fact that mercury has been around forever they were really cool though and I give the guys who put them on boats lot of credit badass chevy motor
Super video.
It used to be from about 70 HP the price is reduced as the HP goes up, a 30 hp might cost you $4K, but a 70 hp will come in around $6K. Following this example, a 627 hp O/B should cost you $45K, not $100K plus.
Dude, at 4:07 sounds like the THX logo 😂😂😂
This
I bought one of those left over 7 Marine "627" engines for a 2013 ZL1 a couple years ago. Just stock LSA engine with an LS9 cam.
The twin thrust rod transmission is what made that entire project possible.
A GMC 6.2 Cadillac V8. A Premium outboard that took sales from Volvo POD Drive. That’s why Volvo bought it and killed it.
Kind of ironic that Volvo teaming up with Yamaha to build a 60 degree V8 car engine spawned the Yamaha 4 stroke V8 outboard. And now they bought and squelched it's competition.
Good point. Didn’t think about that
And ford used that engine in the sho too I think…or they designed that separate….can’t remember
@@longsleevethong1457 The Ford motor was 90degree cast iron block V8 based on the duratec V6 but with Yamaha designed heads. Yamaha used that engineering and built a 60degree aluminum block. Then Yamaha turned the heads around, went back to timing belts, put in a dry sump, and increased displacement and made it an outboard engine.
@@don2deliver that’s it
Great video, you could do one on the recent demise of Evinrude too.
Video was ok until he left out the part about how this engine was killed on purpose. Wasn’t really regulations.
@@longsleevethong1457 i think mercury marine had a big part in making sure competition was eliminated 😅😅😅
@@frankorobinson1540 well….post a video to that or what you heard
Evinrude refused to make anything but 2 stroke engines and I’m pretty sure they legit got shut down because of fuel/exhaust emission regulations
The writing was on the wall anyway. The mercury verado 600 has more reliable naturally aspirated power, better fuel economy, lower unit steering, and it’s less expensive.
But the verado 600 would not have happened if 7 Marine didn’t kick things off with the 557 and 627.
Would love more marine content. Nissan made a .5 HP 2 stroke engine ❤😊
And now Mercury is making a 600HP outboard and I'm seeing a number of them at the local marinas, they appear to be selling well. So it seems Volvo left something on the table. I wonder if the big outboards were cutting into the Volvo inboard sales and that had something to do with Volvo killing it? If yes, then it seems to have been a mistake as Mercury has picked up where they left off.
Seven, even with Volvo backing it, would never been able to compete with Mercury. Seven was a custom, niche product with very high cost and many outsourced and complicated parts. The Mercury is basically an off the shelf product, normal warranty, have deals in relation to navigation/electronic support. It's developed from the ground up as a marine engine, with all the major parts built in house, and a huge dealer network, way bigger than VP. The moment the v12 Merc was released, the Seven sales would have dropped like a rock.
@@Kowalski301 you're likely right, but there's still a group of people who buy for the flashiness above all else, and the 7 had that. Especially in the category of those big boats. Is a 65 center console with 5 outboards practical? Definitely not, it's a show piece, I think 7 could have continued to sell into that market. No doubt the Mercury would have been a better motor.
@@8180634 There are always people who buy custom or niche products and like to show that off, but the market is small, and the exterior of an outboard is also very limited and streamlined in that regard, and they all essentially look very similar across brands. So a custom paint or decal job is basically "90%" of what people see and all you need to make your outboard "unique" The only other thing people care about is the number of outboards and the HP... So if the quality and performance AND look isn't setting the niche product apart from the competition, there are even less reason to buy it. It would be naive to think that VP didn't run the numbers and saw there wasn't any money in it for them.
The Cox 300hp V8 outboard Diesel has more torque at lower rpms, which means a faster plane and even in tight turns doesn't lose torque or rpms like the rest do. It does weigh more at 866lbs, however the pros out weigh the cons. And fuel mpg's forget about it, it blows them all out of the water. One tank to make it from Miami to Nassau and back, with no stops at Bimini for fuel. Now that's Impressive !
Just think how much better mileage you could get with 100hp!
Mercury nailed them with their V10 and V12. Simple as that.
volvo penta was big in the boat industry in the day.
They still are
The Merc V12 outboard fills this void.
I thought 7 marine outboards were beautiful and the nicest outboards on the the market. What surprised me was how few people had never heard of them and then Volvo buying them and shutting it down!
& what a coincidence that Mercury comes out with their 600hp V12 outboard just a few years later.
Its A huge Bummer that they sold seven marine to volvo it would be really sweet to see that outboard around still what a shame
Okay, but in essence its an azimuth pod mounted to an supercharged LSA. Obviously the gear train would have to be designed in such a way to avoid patent infringement but its basically a 90 degree direction change between an engine platform thats got as much or more suppport in the performance and aftermarket street racing world as anything else; and a pod drive which multiple companies have marketed over the last 20 years.
I mean there are LS jet boats and air boats and for that matter SBC 350s in more inboard boats that pretty much all other non-diesel motors.
Take a super available and easily upgraded high-hp motor, makena reduction gear jack shaft which isnt a top secret mechanism and add an off the shelf pod drive and wrap ot in some custom molded plastic and Id be hard pressed to consider it a patent issue and its certainly not unable to function in marine environments. Its an assembly of more or less common off the shelf parts using fairly standard gear train fundamentals, it wasnt some kind of perpetual motion machine or fusion reactor
Moral of the story,never sell out.
I would love to go that fast but would also love for someone else to buy the gas.
I remember watching a show about a rich guy and his mid size yacht by today's standards talk about filling the fuel tank. He said to fill up will melt your credit card, lol.
This is why I never understand why these small family companies go pulling or allow big companies to invest. This is why we’re loosing so much intervention, advancement in tech, quality products, because there being bought up and shut down
You have to despite Volvo for doing this......and the business owners even more for selling out.
The gen 5 ZL1 used the LSA as well.
And 2013 on HSVs in Australia
Its a shame they’re out of business. The 627’s definitely look better than that mercury Frankenstein motor.
For those who have too much money, these engines will cost a fortune to buy and too run horrendous fuel consumption!!!!
This is the new norm...with everything. The free market ain't so free anymore...
Never ever sell your company to a larger company. They are not investing in you or your ideas. They are literally taking you out of competition and will eventually spit you out with nothing to show. Always stay independent, 6ou control your destiny, not some fancy ceo big shot.
Water Highways are made for power
I didn't even know 7Marine got sold
Mercury put them outta business with a 600hp v-12 made in house and because of this, it's $23,000 usd less than a volvo/penta
Volvo lied through their teeth, they knew Mercury was coming out with the 600, and it was designed from the ground up as a complete unit. Volvo didn't believe they could go head to head with Mercury, so they just threw in the towel.
12 valve it. Good old Cummins. If only Westin Chaplin did boats, we'd have one.
There are already Cummins marine engines. John Deere too. Deere marine engines are great.
CAT too
Extra valves are important in NA engines, but don't yield as much gain in boosted gasoline applications.
What was the point for Volvo Penta to kill this manufacturer?
What do they have in that kind of range? Nothing, as far as I know, they never did outboards. The only lousily related thing is the Yamaha V8 that was offered both in Volvo cars and as an outboard marine engine.
Volvo penta 550 and 770 a 50 and 70hp outboard in the 70s an 80s
They have 430hp gasoline and 1000hp diesel inboards.
Rich people mostly buy a ready to run boat, they do not care about inboard or outboard, so they could easily be picking between a Volvo 800-1000hp diesel inboard or a seven marine 600hp gasoline outboard.
So it still makes sense to buy out the competition, and the competition was greedy enough to take the money and leave his company.
Really interesting outboard engine- thanks for making a video about it VR
Thank you!
To start off with..try finding a repair shop n parts for these motors..when u have a yamaha/mercury dealer in every corner.
It was cool but it was a bad idea. Boats require constant sustained power because they can't coast. Using a supercharge, Petrol, V8 motor was the wrong philosphy. These are good for short burst of power and use lots of gas. The right philosophy is OXO marine with a 4.0L twin-turbo , V8, direct injection diesel. It has more torque and can sustain it's power at a lower speed. Plus it gains efficiency at lower throttle levels which what it takes to overcome the constant resistance of water. These motors were special though, It's a shame they sold to Volvo Penta, Volvo does make wonderful marine motors.
Great video always wondered where they went .
When you have a fuel consumption rate that high. Can you carry enough fuel to get to your destination and back?
That would be a question for some.
Deep sea fishing doesn't have fuel stations.
Despite what everyone thinks, the quality just wasn’t there. If you got 100hrs out of the fuel pumps, then you were a lucky one.
I like outboards on small boats. But id prefer an inboard stern.
So sad that Volvo squashed this beautiful engine, but you can be sure that the parents of this company sold this to Volvo for a pretty penny, and where happy to let it go. The employees are the ones that suffer...
The fact that they are using an off the shelf 5.7L LSA chevy engine as the power plant and still have to audacity to charge $100,0000 or more for a single unit just shows how ridiculous insane these outboard motor makers are! They are straight up robbing their customers by charging such stupidly sky high prices like that.
The best of 7marine was the closed cooling system!
As an LS owner I'd rather have a Mercury 500R (Supercharged V8).
So what was the technical genius about taking an inboard engine and mounting it on an outboard mid making it a very heavy and clumsy unit?
A small block chev engine was designed in the 1950’s, it’s an antique
Can you imagine the gas bill for the guy with 5 LS V8s?
Yes. I've filled a 39 foot Cigartte GT with Quad Merc 400's. It aint cheap, let me tell you.
The good thing for Marine Engine Developers is that BOATIES, at the HIGH end, are fucking rich. It SNOT like cars.
More like how Mercury killed it. They did not talk about the 557 owner being a Mercury project engineer @ Lake X where Mercury R&D'd their hot racing products, might have been payback after Volvo bought control of 557 from him.
I can't image how expensive 1 V8 is to run, but 5? Who needs to get 'there' that fast?
"those people" have more money than we can dream of and it's all about what exists for them to buy more than how much it costs.
GREAT VIDEO!!! AS USUAL!
This Family 👪 Stuffed up when they sold the Business 2 Volvo Penta .
That sound.😌
The engine was shelved on purpose. For competitive reasons. You forgot to mention that.
They where terrible. You forgot to mention that.
@@flyrc100 how many did you have?
@@flyrc100 that’s what I thought.
Boats are like cars, everyone is sick of LS swaps
Very cool
so the son basically said "daddy, we need to ls swap it"?
🤣🤣🤣
I was so disappointed when I heard that Volvo had bought into the company. I knew the 7 just didn't fit their portfolio as a high-performance option.
That boat that had 5 627's on it....couldn't possibly haul enough fuel to run those things at WOT for more than 20 mins. Jesus.
5 627HP engines would use about 280 gph at full throttle. Nobody runs at full throttle for long periods of time. At a good fast cruising speed they will burn half that amount.
Unlike a car or a small lake boat, these high speed open ocean cruisers with 4-5 engines can easily have a 400 gallon fuel tank.
sounds like Volvo purchased the company to get rid of the company and ego issues
I was in and at the Miami Boat Show when they introduced the engine.
Very badass outboard.