DUNE PART TWO gave me Whiplash
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Dune Part Two 4DX may owe me damages - here are my findings, review, and thoughts on the movie!
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RESPECT FROM ROMANIA, I JUST ASK YOU THIS. HOW COULD MILLIONS OF PEOPLE LIVE IN A HOSTILE SPACE, IN THE DESERT, FOOD ALMOST NON-EXISTENT AND THEY WERE FULL OF HEALTH. THEY SHOULD LOOK LIKE THE CRIMPLE FROM THE NAZI CAMPS. ABOUT THE FILM. IT WAS GOOD BUT NOT A MASTERPIECE AS IT IS CATALOGED BY THE MAJORITY
@@robertmarinescu-zo6ib THANK YOU FOR YELLING!
jessica was such a fun character in these movies because she was SO badass and cool in the first movie and then you watch the second and it's just a slow dawning horror as you realize she is, effectively, an outer space toxic boy mom 💀
yep, as written. The whole BennyTom&Jerry's grand'ma sect actually... Frank Herbert's world is a weird and secretive matriarchy where men think they're the dope. Bah, it' doesn't matter, every story can be deconstructed in such ways and it's a tendency that's getting old and boring in the end. Toxic mom toxic dad toxic son toxic girl toxic dog toxic male toxic femal toxic black toxic white toxic mongol toxic igloo... A vilain is a vilain, I've abandoned the statistics and just appreciate stories for what they are it's much more fun.
I heard that they focused on the worst character traits...
Weirdly, I think it's the opposite. In the first movie, she was a mother. That's it. She tried to prepared Paul as much as she could but she was still a side character/victim. In this one, to protect her family she freaking drinks the worm piss of death and survives. Yeah, she's batshit crazy now, and definitely NOT a protagonist, but goddamn she has power now, which makes her so more interesting than a simple mother that has to be protected by her husband, her heritage or her son.
@@sandythemaster6898She also had OT powers in the 1st movie. The difference being that in Part 2, she enhances them for control over others and ruling, and even though she's still a "badass" character, she's not that cool anymore: it's Alia, considered an abomination (since she will have all ancestral memories in an adult mind at birth), who controls her form the womb! Also, after drinking the worm piss, both Paul and Jessica are still driven to _"protect"_ their family at all cost, as they're getting mad+insane at it...
@@HawkFest Very true! I hope we'll get Dune Messiah. Right now people cheer for Paul and categorize Jessica as ''boy mom'', and it is NOT the message of Herbert's novel - I don't think it was the message of Villeneuve either. Dune Messiah will piss a LOT of people - all those will love Paul and think of it as the perfect protagonist.
Jessica's unborn baby is an Abomination because she has access to all the memories of her female ancestors but lacks any sort of mental defense against their influence. Not only is she untrained but she's also had no time or chance to form any of her own sense of self & identity, being a literal fetus. Imagine someone who, say, has had telepathic abilities since they were born- being constantly bombarded by all the thoughts of all the adults around them would stifle and deeply warp their ability to become their own person, even within their own mind. Add to that the powers that come with said awakening and you have a very dangerous individual on your hands.
Add the fact that since She has no real defense the Memories of an ancestor evil and powerful enough could posess her
"-What have we done!? she is pregnant!!"
She's an amazing character and her story is... pretty tragic. Spends her life trying to do right by her brother and then (her understanding of) his wishes/legacy while battling for her sanity and slowly losing.
I think the scene when Stilgar says 'The Madhi is too humble to say He is the Madhi' and implies this is further proof he is the Mahdi got so many laughs in part because of how reminiscent it is of a similar line in Monty Python: The Life of Brian.
Some of the humour worked in this, but that small scene I feel could have been done better and didn't need to go like Life of Brian.
I'm from a country where no one has seen monty python and the whole theater bursted in laughter the 3 times i've seen it
@@nicolasleyton4330I saw the movie twice and both theaters laughed at this point
It just needed a scene of Chani going "He's not the Lisan-al-Gaib, he's a very naughty boy!"
The life of Brian got this from the Bible? When Jesus is asked if he is the lord, he point blank says "who do you say that I am". This is pretty stock messiah stuff. Life of Brian is, in many ways, just the comedy version and Dune is the tragedy version.
Another cool call back is Paul pounding his chest before the final fight, just like Jamis did in their fight. It really felt like Paul misses a friend he never had.
Agree. He also asked jamis what he should do when he realized he need to go to the south to save chani and everyone else. It seems Paul really missed jamis. It's even sadder that Paul never got to be his friend and killed him
I think he probably saw a future where him and Jamis were close
Yeah, he homages Duncan when he fights Jamis, and homages Duncan AND Jamis when he fights Feyd.
At Jamis's funeral, Paul claims he was a friend of Jamis and weeps for him. Thus gains respect of the Sietch.
Something that needs to be noted is that Paul’s visions are not always possible futures. Some of them are metaphorical. The vision where Paul was killed by Jamis is also tied to the voice that tells him he must die “for the Kwisatz Haderach to rise.” But the voice also tells him that when one takes a life, they also take their own. So Paul Atreides, when he kills Jamis, metaphorically dies in order for Muad’Dib, the Lisan Al-Gaib, the Mahdi, the Kwisatz Haderach to be born.
And no, Alia does not age at an accelerated rate. She is born with preternatural knowledge and is able to speak and act as an adult even as a toddler, which the other Fremen find highly disturbing. The reason she is considered an abomination is that she has access to her “Other Memory” but lacks the years of practice, training, and discipline needed to control it. That means aspects of her genetic memory could potentially influence her directly, almost a form of possession.
I think maybe Amanda meant Alia would have accelerated aging in the movies bc the next one should take place 12 years after Dune part 2 but having already cast Anya Taylor Joy, they might have to have the character look older than she is
@@neveomalley8636 I wonder if Villeneuve is going to add elements of Children of Dune, because that's the real end to Paul's story and the Atreides saga. Except for God-Emperor, which is...reeealllly slow and actually unadaptable.
Alia's such a tragic figure, she never gets the chance to decide like Paul and Jessica and her suffering only ends with her suicide. Damn.
Of course, neither does Paul's until he gets murdered. And Leto has to become a giant worm to save humanity. This family just gets shit on continuously until 3,500 years later.
It's fitting that Herbert got the name 'Atreides' from the tragic Greek house of Atreus.
A Fremen sitting in a 4DX seat: “Thank you for the gift of your moisture.”
underrated
That abrupt switch in Paul from "never going south" to "let's get this jihad started" in the book was because when Feyd attacked the seitch Paul and Chani's first born baby son was in that seitch. Feyd had murdered Pauls baby. Chani was devistated and Paul snapped. Here they sped up the timeline so there wasn't time for Paul and Chani to have a kid. Instead DV connected the change in Paul entirely to him drinking worm bile. Loved hearing your thoughts!!!
I think the bombing of the seitch was still the turning point. There was a scene specifically for it where he was mourning his inevitable future.
In the movie, there is also the vision of Chani burned after watching a nuke explosion. And nuking the spice fields was the only answer Paul had other than going south to combat Fayd.
So with the guild from not being able to save Siege Tabr and Chani dying if he used the nukes, he only had going south left as an option.
You are wrong. In the book he decide to drink the water of life because Gurney tried to kill Jessica thinking she was the traitor and he felt guilty for not predicting that. In the movie he feels guilty for not being able to foresee the attack on Seitch Tabr.
The attack on the southern seitch where his kid gets killed happens after he has taken the water of life already and just before he attack the emperor.
Dang, it's been a while since I've read Dune, so I totally forgot they had a kid by that point. I should definitely give the book another read sometime.
I've not read the books, so opinion from that perspective!
I liked the sudden change in Paul. We've watched him for HOURS as he tries to do what's right for the people and seeks his revenge and tries to not start a Holy war, while realizing that his hype is based on BS.
We've seen what the bile has done to his mom, we know somewhat what it does to his sister, and now in Paul it pushes him towards villainy. He went from a strategic chosen one hero to a future politically minded dictator, in what felt like a moment; and that in itself is so intriguing! The back and forth of watching the Harkonnen to watching the Fremen, both groups believing that they are in the right- each group the hero of their own story; but it's the Fremen morals that most viewers can agree with.
Then you have Paul going from believing that he is doing what he can to right wrongs and find justice... to believing his way IS the right way, He Is Right, and that just felt so chilling.
It takes but a moment to lose yourself, do something you can never undo, and become something you once hated.
Paul: **does anything**
Stilgar: "!!"
Stilgar: "Lisan al-Gaib!"
FEYD DID LOOK HORNY AF WHEN PAUL KILLED HIS UNCLE 😂😂😂 I loved that part so much 😂
He turned on in every action paul did😂
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That would be more canon right? Aren't the Harkonnens pansexual or something. They're into anything and everything.
He’s afflicted with Goku syndrome, whenever he sees a worthy opponent, he becomes immensely battle-horny
Speaking as someone whose only seen the movies (I plan on reading the books soon!), I love what they did to Chani's character. I bet it was a big shock to readers, but for me it was the best possible way to portray her and to demonstrate to the audience that what Paul is doing is NOT a good thing. I love too that Paul says he's seen that Chani will eventually forgive him, because I feel like it gives an extra layer of tragedy to them. It almost felt like he was seeing so far into the future, and so certain of this path, that he's less affected by the present downfall of their relationship and how heartbroken and angry she is now.
As a book reader, I too loved what they did to Chaani's character!
Late to the party but as a Dune book reader I also love what they did with Chani, honestly I think Villeneuve's adaptation is a tighter story. Irulan too, I think the changes to her character were great choices.
I saw it in Imax. Since you seem to want to read the books I have a bit of advise, Dune Messiah is imo required reading after you read The first book. Messiah really shows just how badly things end up do too the events of Paul's Jihad. It will also show how tragic Paul is as a character. The movie made seem like he drinks his own Koolaid but its more a case of being trapped with only the least horrible options left to him. Hell Frank Herbert only wrote Messiah because some people didn't get the point, "I wrote the Dune series because I had this idea that charismatic leaders ought to come with a warning label on their forehead: "May be dangerous to your health."
Agreed. Messiah is what the 3rd movie will adapt as well. Paul switches up so quickly because he can now see that he has to start the holy war. Making him choose between only bad choices makes him far more sympathetic despite still being a villain
@@lukewisner8597 Well, the war's going to happen in his name no matter what at that point, his leading it personally at least makes it marginally less bloody and infight-y. I'd argue he's an anti-villain, really, since by the time he properly understood his agency and choices it was way too late to prevent things. I personally think his bigger (but entirely sympathetic) failing is later losing his nerve and not following up what he started, he has too much decency, so it falls to his son to do it.
Alia (Paul's yet to be born sister) ages physically at a normal rate, she's just born with the widsom of countless Reverend Mothers and therefore doesn't behave as normal children do and speaks like an adult, which creeps out people around her. In the book, she's ~2 years old when Paul becomes emperor, and then ~15 years goes by between Dune and Dune Messiah, so if they make a part 3, she should be ~16 years old - that's fine in movie logic even if the actor is older. I mean, Paul is supposed to be 15 when Dune starts...
Also, remember when Duke Leto asked Jessica if she would protect Paul, not as a mother, but as Bene Gesserit in Part 1? Well, now we know why she dodged the question, because no, she wouldn't. After taking the water of life, she becomes obsessed with making Paul the Kwisatz Haderach and doesn't much care for the humanity he might lose in the process or what toll the Holy War might take on him - his well-being isn't a concern to her anymore. She's pretty deternined to prove herself right and being on the "right" side, but as Reverend Mother Mohiam eloquently retorts "There is no side.".
Alia loses her sanity by book 2 (maybe) and/or book 3 (definitely). She's such a tragic figure.
@@tintinismybelgian There are certainly moments in Dune Messiah where she seems unhinged, yes...
Alia does physically age faster. Or more accurately develops faster. A toddler dragging a knife.
Alia is probably one of my favorite characters in Dune. If she wasn't so tragic, my daughter would have had that name (came really close to using Chani, Irulan, or Alia. Even crazier because I had twins, they were almost Alia and Leto at one point when figuring out names). The things to come for that character will be just nuts. That's why I'm curious why they did what they did with her in part 2 and with the Baron. What kind of thing will that become later?
As for Jessica, I think she regrets a lot of her actions by Children of Dune, especially dealing with Leto and Ghannima. And the regrets she had for what happens with Alia, too. She's still a caring mother, but she's all for this prophecy and the Jihad (holy war) as much as Paul. Whatever to survive as well as avenge her husband, but to raise her son up to be who he, she thought, was meant to be.
Also, I mourn Alia's line of, "For he is the kwisatz haderach!" after she hits the Baron with her Gom Jabbar and faces down the Reverend Mother. Something about the 1984, seeing that scene as a child was spectacular.
I would disagree about Jessica's motivations. I think (and I'm just focusing on the movies here, because I read the books over 20 years ago) that she sees casting Paul as the prophet as a way to ensure his victory and therefore safety (and she doesn't have his visions, so she can't know what it ultimately leads to). Additionally (that goes both for her and Paul), since taking the water of life gives you the memories of all who came before you, it can affect your personality. You're still yourself, but not quite, because you also have all these previous experiences that feel like they're yours, and all those voices inside your head - it's easy to see how that would make you seem more "impersonal" and even "callous", if you're no longer able to identify yourself completely and solely with your own subjective experience. You begin to perceive even yourself as just a pawn in a bigger game, which makes you seem calculated. But Jessica couldn't have predicted that when Leto was asking his question. I don't think she was dodging the question because the answer was a decisive "no". I think at this moment she was genuinely wondering about it herself and hoping never to have to make that choice.
I’m surprised so many people thought Paul’s downfall after taking the Water of Life was “too sudden”. The guy had a bad trip on super potent spice and had his brain turned inside out Dr.Manhattan style, of course the change was sudden!
I think its cause people don't understand that after awakening from taking it he's no longer just "Paul" anymore, like he is every single person that's ever lived, ofc his personality, desires and motivations have changed
@@patriciaramirez2982 I suppose the film could have made it a little more explicit what happens inside one's head during a water of life trip. But they did show how much it changed Jessica's character after, so it's not exactly without precedent within the film. I think the fact that at that point in the film he's kind of having his own crisis of faith and reaches out to his visions of Jamis for guidance and Jamis says that he should take whatever avenue he can to see as much as he can, leads him straight into the spice agony.
@@weatheranddarknessshe's portrayed as sympathetic before her change into a reverend mother, but after the spice agony, they turned her into a ruthless manipulator who talks to the whispering voice of her as of yet unborn daughter I got that she may have always been a manipulator but it becomes more blatant and more off-putting after she becomes a reverend mother (what I'm saying is I feel like it was all but hammered into our heads that she became an even more awful person after she became a reverend mother)
You inspired me. I want to watch Dune Part 2 on my iPod Nano 3rd gen with a cracked screen from when I was 11.
As it is written.
Jokes are fun, but people keep missing the point, Chani didn't leave because of Irulan, she left the moment everyone kneeled, because she saw how he was using them, one thing is to liberate Arrakis, another is to take all the Fremen to war outworld. Loved the change from book Chani, you could even said this makes obsolete Dune Messiah, but I still believe Villeneuve should have shown better the genocide Paul is about to bring to the empire, Oppenheimer has practically the same ending, when Pauls says "send them to paradise" is like Oppenheimer after talking with Einstein, showing the arms race and the destruction of Earth, that was the perfect moment to show the horrors
I loved the books, but that turn on her part in the film just makes so much storytelling sense. We want to love Paul, she surely does, but she can see what's going to happen and she tips us to that.
Exactly
@@Erni3KWill be interesting to see how denis joins dune with messiah after this ending change.
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Absolutely correct, every word of it.
Paul's decision to take the water of life in movie makes a little more sense if you know a few things from the books. Spice gives some prescience to anyone who consumes it, and it's tenfold for Paul, HOWEVER the more you are exposed to large amounts of the spice Melange, the more immune/resistant you become to its prescience effects, and because spice is literally in EVERYTHING the Fremen make, Paul's prescience is diminishing the longer he spends time with them. When sietch Tabr is attacked by Feyd-Rautha, Paul mentions he never saw it coming, he had no vision, saw no timeline where this happened, and he feels horrendously guilty because he now feels a responsibilty toward the Fremen, having become a leading figure to them. Had he the full power of the Kwisatz Haderach, he could have seen it and prevent it. His reluctance to accept this role caused thousands to die. This is where the shift occurs. Good intentions leading to disaster, because absolute power corrupts absolutely. Having now experienced every life of every man and woman through time, he has seen pure evil and pure good both, but as result, has become completely desentisized to it all. With significantly less humanity in the way, he's far less concern with human life and more with what he can gain for himself, cold calculated concrete results, i.e. his personnal vengeance against the Harkonnen and the Emperor. He's still not thrilled with the idea of the Holy War, but he sorta gives up on stoping it. In Dune Messiah, it quickly becomes apparent that fanatism can take a life of its own and can no longer be controlled, not by him nor by anyone else. Even if he dies, he'll just become a martyr and the fanatism will live on in his name.
Thank you for this.
While I like the additional agency Chani is given, I worry that the way the story is modified from the books makes it just glorify one type of benevolent fascism over the other kind, and paints Paul in an entirely too kind light
@@mundanepants if you havent't already, I recommend you watch the scene breakdown Villeneuve did for Vanity Fair. In it he explains how he modified Chani's character to show Paul as less 'heroic'.
@@mundanepants yeah, Chani is a replacement for a large part of Paul's inner dialogue about being reluctant to go forward with all of it. It's also a modernization, whether it was intentional or not.
well if Dennis work the fact that Chani is the daughter of Kynes he can make Paul approach her again because of the terraforming project, that he promised the fremen to turn the desert green. And this may push Irulan to the conspiracy and skip the BS plot about hidden contraceptives on Chani food.
arguably its pauls humanity that prevents him from being the kwisatz haderach. and why leto succeeds, because he is pre-born, and has even less humanity. rather, leto is less human, and more humanity as a whole.
One of the readings of the abrupt changes in Paul is that it is meant to feel abrupt so we are less likely to be on board with his changes in character and perspective. His character shifts need to be jarring to start pulling the audience away from being on his side all the time and start questioning him instead. It's effective, but earlier than that really happens in the book series.
The moment when Irulan and Chani just locked eyes and stared at each other sent chills down my spine because you just UNDERSTOOD. It was so good. My favourite scene.
They sped up the timeline so some of the emotional beats got lost and they had to change relationships, but I also 100% believe part of that was due to Villeneuve not wanting to have to deal with a Renesme type character/effects
I think AI would help now. Technology has come far in a few short years 😉 I liked creepy little girl Alia from the old movie 😏
I also think it would have been so jarring to the tone of the film that it would have possibly ruin a very good film.
It works in Lynch's version because that's David Lynch - the weird side of Dune can be done by someone like Lynch.
With a time skip (the same time between movies) and an accelerated aging Alia, they could have gotten a talented 5-6yo and overdubbed her with ATJ. I think they were just afraid to do anything the way Lynch did it, regardless how it messes with the story.
@@LordVolkovheck, as a book reader I personally enjoyed Paul killing the baron more than I did what happened in the book (though I will admit that takes away a bit of the emotional significance of her killing him and then getting corrupted by him in other memory during children of dune, but for the original book it really just felt like Herbert wanted to have a pedophile killed by a child)
one of my favorite details on Giedi Prime was the cloaks of the Bene Gesserit turning from black to white when they step outside into the black sun. so subtle and SO FUCKING COOL
Good god i didnt notice that! Have to rewatch! 😁
Djinn are mentioned like once in passing in the book and are also played off as a bit of a joke, they definitely aren't implied to be real or even something most Fremen believe in. Paul also doesn't really have visions of Jamis in the books, but I think it was a truly ~visionary~ change on Denis's part. It does a fantastic job showing that his visions aren't set in stone.
I believe, before Paul meets Jamis, he has been having visions of Jamis as his mentor. That's where he learned how to put on a Still Suit and other things he knew. He basically spent a lifetime with Jamis, in a different timeline, but had to kill him in the real timeline we see.
@@dominicpinchott7432 yeah, before he meets the firemen Paul had been consistently having visions of Jamis and learned a lot about them through him, he even considers him a friend and that's why he's sad once he kills him as well as surprised because he believed those visions oh Jamis teaching him would eventually become true
Blue ribbon is green in books and is symbol of mounring. In Books Chani is daughter of Lyet Kynes, I supposed this was once in the movie and got cut late. She wears ribbon early (mom got killed) on then stops, puts it back at the end as a sign of losing Paul. Or that's how I was it.
Thank you, I've been wondering why she was the only one wearing a bright colored piece of fabric. And it makes the scene where she wraps the cloth around her arm so much more significant!
Might have changed from green to blue to not be too close to the Hamas headband, letting Warners feel more comfortable signing off on it.
In the book Lyet is a guy too.
I could imagine that in the third movie, somehow Chani realizes that she is pregnant, and her having that baby is the reason her paths will cross with Paul's again - otherwise I cannot imagine what would make them meet up again, since Chani seems thoroughly done with it all. Such a cool last shot.
From what I have gleaned, I would go into Messiah with just a little more accuracy than I, Robot. I really don't see how it can be anything more than a completely independent story that just uses the name.
agreed, thats what I imagine the beginning of the 3rd movie will be about, I just wonder if she'll be pregnant with Leto II or with the twins and they'll skip their first child all together
@@patriciaramirez2982 one possible route is that she takes some time to herself, and then being the willful person she is she comes back to confront him, they make up, conceive the twins(after some interference from Florence Pugh), and then she reveals she had a misscarriage at some point due to some stress from their campaign. I guess it would be more of a throw away at that point, so would serve the same narrative purpose. A second possible. route could also be Irulan succeeding in her poisoning, thus killing the first Leto2, then Paul puts his foot down and she backs off letting the twins happen after all.
Utterly horrified about the theater that bounces you around. Imagine seeing a movie like 50 Shades in it. Horrifying.
Would be the only reason I would want to go see it
It is an experience that's for sure. I went to see the second Hobbit in 4DX and, my god, that barrel scene almost made me vomit lol
I went to see mission impossible in 4dx. It's much worse than theme park tech from 30 years ago. Hated it
They might aswell feed me taco cabana and leave a "Do not disturb" sign on there restroom door because IM SHITTING ALL OVER THERE TOILET AFTERWARDS!!! 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Janitors gonna have a field day with this one 🤣💯
Also, this movie throws me off. They made huge changes in time. In the book, Paul and Chani do marry in the way of the desert. They also have a son that dies. The revenge isn't just Paul's at that point, Chani was angry and ready for vengeance herself. She also is more understanding of the marriage between Paul and Irulan, knowing that her place is by his side while Irulan is only ornamental.
I'd love a comparison of yours to the book and movie. Most times I hear them it's from older fans of the novel, I'd love to see the new generation reading this novel.
In the books, Paul decides to throw all caution to the winds and do the super genocide because he had actually spent a lot more time in the North. Him and Chani actually had a kid, and the attack Feyd does in the movie, in the book, the baby gets knifed in his crib plus gets blown up.
My first Dune 2 was in 70mm and wow. It was stunning!! And the cinema is updated with comfy sofas while retaining its old beauty. Just perfect!
I would have loved to catch a 70mm showing but sadly wasn't in the cards, just glad to have caught at in a really great full IMAX
Seen it in 4DX and lost my popcorn I actually shouted "NOO!" in the theater
You lost your spice.
LISAN AL GAIB
AS IT WAS WRITTEN.
I watched this yesterday, I've never seen the first, i have never read the books, I KNEW NOTHING. This was hands down one of the best movies I've ever seen in my 30 years. If not one of the top 5. And thats from someone going in blind
Watching the first one will be cool now that you know what’s going to come !!!
you should watch more movies lol
@@henkhenkste6076 no 😘
@@henkhenkste6076it's a good dang movie especially when compared to most of the dribble that we have today (there are certain changes I don't agree with, only one in particular but most of the other changes I actually feel like make for a better climax of a movie, because the big history defining battle is only described in other books and that only barely because we're told who wins and how historically significant it was, I love the book but the climax was not much of a climax, this movie was great I just wonder where they're going to go with the change to chani) I honestly think that what they did with her is just an attempt to show how wrong the jihad is, because if anyone would know it would be her because she's closest to him and knows his feelings about this, so she can leave for now and come back at some point with a bit more reservation as the following Paul, but she tries to keep him morally grounded and keep him from going bloody with this jihad (I know Dennis probably won't do the subsequent sequels to Messiah, but I feel like he should set it up in a way that he can come back and make sequels if he wants to, and for that to happen she kind of has to come back and have children with him)
Chani and Feyd are improved from the books as far as Im concerned..I love how they made Feyd honorable and kinda horny too when it comes to violence..and he still retains a sexy appearance..and also, glad to see Chani defiant for this particular adaptation (they aren't a couple for that long, compared to the novel) because I wouldn't have bought into Chani following Paul through hell, she clearly saw the red flags of jessica's scheming and Pauls ascension..
One thing that bothered me is you saying Paul drank the kool-aid and bought in: Paul never buys into it. He gives up. His mother successfully backed him into a corner, and Chani asking him to go South with her is him realizing his mother has succeeded in doing so. It’s why the first thing he does is go drink the Water of Life. He has no other choice and so sets his jaw and gets to work figuring out how to minimize the casualties of those he loves. His change is both due to the ancestral memories and him no longer feeling human or allowed/able to act as such.
Paul stopped existing when Chani asked him to go South with her, thats the true moment the Lisan al-Gahib was born. She never bought into the bullshit, but she helped lead him to the slaughter anyway even after he kept telling her him going meant he would no longer be the same man she loved.
If you drink, you will die.
Was never a false or incorrect statement, it was immediately true.
on the goddamn money
Chani is barely even a person in the book so I'm loving what Denis is doing with her character.
This.
Seriously, she "loves" Paul only because she saw herself with him and a child during a spice orgy that gave everyone slight prescience (even more so with Paul present). "Oh I guess if the future says it, then I have to!", it's kinda creepy, when you think about it. At least in the movie, like you said, she's a person, and their relationship develops naturally...
@@xen0biaNo ffs. First of all Chani and Paul are already getting close by that point. Second, visions enhanced by spice are not just visual. They are felt. This happens during the ceremony in the book and the effect is more powerful the closer you are to Paul. It's like being there in the future and coming back. She experiences her future feelings, of being in love with Paul, being a family with a baby. 12 years worth of love and affection and desire felt in a single moment. It overwhelms her and Paul. And it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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Regardless, she’s still a boring simp in the book. Making her the mouthpiece for the Fremen faction that didn’t drink the Muad’dib kool aid that were hinted at in the books was a brilliant move. This version of Chani anticipates Siona Atreides, one of my favorite characters from the series.
@@xen0biaI’m reading the first book now. They both had at least a crush on each other day 2 of their meeting. His mom noticed it before it became obvious. Earlier in the book he hung out with a honey trap during dinner and his mom didn’t notice until the dinner was almost done. Her responses was essentially “Paul would never fall for that”.
Later she hears Chani ask him an innocent question after he won his first fight and goes on an internal monologue about how she needs to talk to Paul soon before he makes her a wife. 😂
a fun thing that i noticed (and a few others too) is that florence seems to be emulating irulan's voice actress from the audiobook! she has the exact same tone and cadence that i did a double take when we first hear her voice
The only thing i didnt get about the changes made is that i think it could have made sense to have both Alia be born and Paul and Chani have a child to show the passing of time which does happen in the first book. It would have stopped Paul's switch from feeling so abrupt. If I remember correctly, in the book Paul and Chani even lose their child in an attack which helps to put Paul back on a path of revenge instead of the relatively comfortable existence he had with Chani and the Fremen. I think in order to make Chani more of a badass (which I honestly love) they prevented her from also being a mother (don't love that choice) and therefor took away a big moment of change for Paul. I think it would have had a stronger emotional beat if they had their child, lost it and Pauls actions tore them further apart
I mean two year old Alia is gonna look REALLY dumb on the screen where it's fine in the books
I don't really get this. Paul was already on the offensive and on the verge of lauching the assault on Arrakeen and the Emperor when Leto II died, so I have no idea why people think this what motivated Paul or that it had any impact at all, really. If anything, it shows how far gone Paul is, as he pretty much says "I don't have time to mourn" because the attack is more important in his mind. That's cold AF. I'm actually glad they didn't bother with that bit, because it's so not vital to the story - a child you never learn anything about and who dies off-page... As for Alia, I was a bit upset at first that we didn't get young Alia, but I'm fine with it now. Villeneuve didn't want a time jump that would break the pacing of the movie, and a CGI infant would've looked terrible. Casting a very young child actor brings its share of issues. Not easy for a child to act wisdow beyond their years and understanding.
@daesgatling1345 I don't really think they needed to have Alia be a big thing in the movie. They could have just had a shot of her as a toddler to highlight the passing of time. I just think condensing a few years timeline into a few months made it feel very abrupt a shift in Paul
@xen0bia maybe I was just getting the timeline messed up in my head. I thought I remembered it being a bigger deal. I certainly feel that if they're going to do more with Chani as a character it would be a big moment for her as well. And I don't mean they should have done loads with Alia, just they could have had a shot or two with her as a toddler watching things unfold. They don't need to make her a huge character at this part. I just think it makes more sense for the events to happen over years like they do in the books rather than the condensed timeline of a few months like in the film
In the books, Paul and Chani have a son together, who is killed as an infant during a raid on the sietch, and it’s this loss that really aids in driving Paul into embracing the prophecy for power. And while I applaud a lot of the changes made to the story for this adaptation, I think five or so extra minutes of visions where Paul is plagued by this future would go a long way to making his acceptance and transformation less jarring, while also acknowledging this scrapped part of the book.
Not showing any of Paul's inner journey on the WoL was a huge missed opportunity. Denis could have gone crazy with wild imagery as Paul looks where women cannot. Every choice he made was the coward's option.
Yeah an additional minute of visions seeing his and Chani's future of their child dying I feel like would've added a lot more depth and understanding to his choice and still kept the new take on it, I felt it was too sudden as well, though I have a feeling it's most likely going to come up when eventually they face each other as enemies I guess and Paul explains what made him choose this path, at least that's how I would do it.
@@LordVolkovI don't really think we need to go wild to show that Paul has essentially surrendered to the tides of fate, I feel like most people can tell that his psychology has changed, and they show you how much his biology has changed (this man got a knife sheath in his chest, then got another one she threw his shoulder, and he was only walking with a slight limp, despite the fact that I think you can see the knife poking out of him at one point, meaning that his spine may have been heavily damaged) what I'm trying to say is that they show his psychology is different and they show that he has changed overall they show how he's become more powerful (and even if it's not book accurate I like what they did with Paul in the duel because this fight makes you understand why a group of people would want to worship him, in the book he just kind of wins because he screams out that he won't use the code word that'll stop feyds muscles from working, this makes feyd hesitate, allowing Paul to take him out at the knee, and then kill him, where is the movie kind of puts Paul as a representation of the jihad and shows the inevitability of his victory, if only in hindsight, because again if your opponent isn't even remotely phased by a knife through the spine you're screwed
I'm just concerned part 3 will be accompanied by an upgraded popcorn bucket.
I want to see the popcorn buckets for God Emperor
With a hole in the bottom this time, hold the popcorn and add the lube
@@hvitekristesdod it vibrates
@@rapaz1997 It has a human mouth
@@hvitekristesdod Heretics popcorn bucket responds to voice commands. Don't ask what the voice commands are.
just to add in the final fight between the fight between Paul and Feyd. it actually mirrors the sparring match with Gurney Halleck(Josh Brolin) in the first part.
Ages ago, I bought a 4DX ticket to watch Alita: Battle Angel. Not a masterpiece, but I liked the movie.
I spent half the movie scared to be ejected from my seat and found the experience to be quite distracting. When watching a movie or reading a book, I tend to try to ignore my surroundings. 4DX was not allowing me to do that
He drank the water of life because he was losing his ability to see future possibilities, he didn't see the attacks coming and after tried to see but came up blank. That plus no one wanted to leave without him.
I commented earlier and wanted to add that I enjoyed the accelerated timeline a lot. Considering how we’ve seen in recent times how quick and easy it is to drum up fanatic believers into a frenzy, and how quickly casual believers will fall in line, and the Bene-Gesserit has spent 9 millennia working on this plan as well as working on the Fremen, it works really well in believability.
And I do love the change from Chani as a passive observer into a foil for Lady Jessica and Paul’s (mutually unwilling) foil and the last remaining point of humanity and sanity as everyone around her that she cares for either seemingly died or joined the Jihad. It makes me believe that Irulan’s role will be changed as well. I also have a theory that Chani is already pregnant with the twins as, while not explicitly stated or shown, is heavily implied that her and Paul were intimate at LEAST once.
Dune has always been a tragedy about absolute power corrupting absolutely and how, even when you do your damndest to avoid such a role, sometimes you realize you have literally no choice left due to those around you scheming better than you.
See I was wondering if they will play it as Chani leading the Fremen group that think Paul is a false messiah and turn against him, and he might allow that to happen/try to push her away because of what he can glimpse of her death now
Definitely agree on the acceleration part. I’ve read a lot of these comments and many seem to be disappointed that the passing of time wasn’t shown correctly, but I actually approve of it. As you said, we KNOW by now that abrupt changes like that can come suddenly and quickly and still be absolutely devastating. Furthermore, we’ve seen the time and effort the mother has put into making everyone believe in Paul and before her there have been countless others that spent thousands of years drumming the prophecy into peoples’ heads to ensure that they’d be listening.
I personally don’t think Paul’s change was sudden, because we’ve been told that he’d change the moment he entered the South and we’ve been shown countless times how people see him as the Messiah, even if Paul directly tells them that he’s not. All that was left is for Paul to give up and accept his “fate”.
So basically, accelerating the changes made it even more of a cautionary tale and shows how easy and fast corruption can actually work.
Paul's fall to the dark side looks abrupt in the movie because the entire story of the movie takes place in a few months. In the books it takes three years and makes more sense. Paul has enough prescience to know that if he lives he will unleash a galaxy-wide holy war, and the only clear way to prevent it is to simply die, which he's not exactly keen on. He is trying to find a middle path where he can defeat the Harkonnen and reclaim his ducal seat but without it all escalating further, but his visions aren't enough, he gets blindsided by several major events and realizes he has to drink the worm goo to get complete prescience or die trying. He gets knowledge to orchestrate the uprising and he does manage to postpone the all-out war for a while, but it was never going to last.
What Paul sees when he gains prescience is countless futures where humanity destroys itself and one future where we gain ascendency (it's not really made clear what that means). So Paul becomes what he sees himself being on that Golden Path
Here (DC), we've had a regular 4DX movie theater for years! Watched Into/Across the Spiderverse; both Black Panther(s); Skull Island, King of the Monsters, and Minus One; Infinity War, Endgame, and Multiverse of Madness all in neck-breaking amusement park action. There have been plenty others, but these had the most spinal damage, lmao. Worth it.
I missed Part one in theaters because i didnt even know about it, or DUNE as a whole, and i just watched on a whim in my house, and then i kicked myself for not seeing it in theaters and promised myself i'd see part two even if it killed me.
Then part two came out, i ran to a nearby theater after a week of it being out, i watched it in standard, it was *really* good, and i just *HAD* to go back for an IMAX screening, which i did, and oh man, it was great! Those rumblings and deep tones we could feel in the seats and the floor! Paul yelling *'SILENCE!*' made the theater SHAKE! It was so good!
4DX is fun, but only in maybe 20 minutes burst. I road an old alien invasion ride at Disney ages ago, and to this day I still look back at it as a good memory.
The alien ride at Disney Orlando? I always found it weird how they changed it into a lilo and stitch ride lol
The blue fabric isn’t a symbol of Chani’s love for Paul, it’s a symbol of her being part of the Holy Women in the Fremen and in the same line to be like Lady Jessica.
Which is interesting considering she doesn’t believe in the prophecy
@@GraceT That’s the problem with changing the nature of a character for an adaptation. Chani in the book totally believes in Paul. Villeneuve’s alteration contradicts what Herbert established, which then causes inconsistencies and confusion.
In the book, it's a symbol of motherhood. In the movie, she wears it on her head when she's with Paul, and on her arm when she seperates from him. Seems it symbolizes her relationship status. It went from "In a relationship" to "it's complicated".
In the book, there's 2 pieces of fabric relative to Chani. A green kerchief that she wears on her arm as a symbol of mourning, because Liet Kynes was her father and he died. She also wears a Nezhoni scarf as the status indicator of "married woman with a child". Since both subplot have been dropped, Villeneuve changed it to symbolizes her love for Paul. While worn on her arm, the kerchief becomes battered and tarnished, just like her love for Paul. It's a mourning for her lost love... It has nothing do to with her being a fedaykin and fighting for a prophet she doesn't even believe in.
The ribbon is a symbol of motherhood.
I’ve seen it 4 times as well…testing the different large screen formats in my area. All 4 times I was engaged and experienced/appreciated different aspects every time. Loved it.
I watched it twice in the same theater. The second viewing was like seeing an entirely different movie. I almost loved it more. I could focus on meaning, rather than if/what happens.
Its been ages since I saw a film in theatres where at the end the audience applauded. Im not kidding. They clapped. I had a really great time watching it with my friends!
The way Paul starts speaking in the Fremen language while absolutely hypnotizing the Fremens gave me chills.
I seen it in 4DX and it reminded me of the mini movie rides at Universal. My friend and I kept giggling the whole time because it would move so much and then suddenly stop.
My favourite version was with my Mother’s running commentary beside me. She’s been obsessed with Dune since she was a kid so she had so many happy reactions. She’d whisper“Lisan al Gaib.” Every time Stilgar said it. So funny lol
I saw it at an Alamo Draft house, they've got a really nice spiced popcorn to pair with the movie
Yes, that happens when you watch a film in both IMAX and 1:85:1 format. Christopher Nolan did that with the BATMAN Trilogy.
Love your focuses - you have consistent yet original takes.
23:04, There’s the likelihood that she was sure Paul was about to wake (or mentally sensed that he would as she is later depicted telepathically speaking to Gaius, either because both are Bene Gesserits and inherently have the psychic ability to do so or because Jessica drank the Water Of Life and it amplified her psychic abilities to be able to speak with her mind to other Bene Gesserits, who would be able to understand her) and simply timed Chani’s tear touching him with it to make sure the Fremen’s superstition would grow.
I agree, it was so loud. But the Zimmer score surpassed any frustration I could have with the volume; sheer exhilaration!
Amanda uses The Voice. That’s the second best thing to happen to me today, first was Dune 2 with the favorite fam members.
Aaay! I think I see me with my group of friends in the background waiting to get in to your Bob Bullock showing, I wish I had said hi! * waves from the future*
I loved how they nailed weird 80s sci fi vibes. the lift pack squad scene especially.
Honestly, I am so blown away by Austin Butler's performance in this movie. He well and truly became his character. I knew he was in the film but didnt know who he was playing, didnt find out who until the credits and I was like waaait, what??
I just checked earlier today if you had your review up. Was so excited when I checked in this evening
Paul is the Eren Yeager of the desert
More like: Eren Yeager is the Paul Atreides of The Wall.
Eren Yeager if he wasn't a dumbass (Eren self-admitted he's stupid)
Give me that kangaroo mouse grindset, yo.
If Anakin Skywalker really liked sand.
Don't you even fucking put AoT and Dune in the same breath. That's a major insult to Dune at every level.
I feel you so much. I went and saw dune 2 in a regular theatre. Loved it. Decided I wanted to see it in 4dx. Never done it before. In the beginning, it was great. Felt awesome and fun. The 1st hour in general was pretty good. But I realized soon that the seat itself was super uncomfortable. There was no cushion for the ass. It felt like concrete. As time ticked on, I could feel my tail bone was in pain. I started to dread every lil vibration and bump that happened. By hour 2 I thought I wasn’t going to make it. I was in so much pain. And there was still more runtime ahead. I hobbled out of there. I looked like I had been beaten and broken. It hurt to sit down. I would not recommend a 4dx experience for anything longer than an hour and 20 mins.
My D2 was Imax. It was my first Imax(and also first time in a theater in 21 years). I thought when people said, "you can feel the movie go thought you," they ment figuratively, not literally! What a rush. It was great, just wasn't expecting it.😂
The only negatives were that it was out of focus a few times, but only when Christopher Walken was on screen in the first half. And some people would laugh at really inappropriate times, like when the movie was quiet.
Great video! And thank you for the 4D breakdown, I don't know if that's anything I want to experience. 😅
Saw Dune 2 twice and finally had the opportunity to see it in IMAX yesterday. Damn! I want to go again next week if it's still available. Dune 1 and 2 have reignited my love of 1986 David Lynch Dune as well. It's something I usually watch once a year but have probably watched it 3 times this year 😊. It's always had a soft spot in my heart because I loved being taken to movies by my older sister when I was young.
My favorite thing to do with 'Kwisatz Haderach' is to sing it to the tune of 'Feliz Navidad'
X screen is worst format. Projecting onto the side walls and having the theater exit sign in the picture. Never making that mistake again
When you did the voice at the end it freaked me out a bit while I was looking down at my phone away from the tv I was watching this vid on😂
My dune was out of focus. Distant crowds were shimmering dots.
It was the spice.
I was this movie yesterday and I was so lost by the switch flip Paul went through as well as some other aspects that I think went over my head so this video was a lot of help haha
I was watching this as a "last thing before i sleep" and the voice at the end scared the sheeeeeeeet out of me and now i cant sleep 😭😭. Good video tho
Hey, thanks for featuring my guide at 1:26. Just a note: this is a slightly outdated version. For some reason IMAX Dome venue were given the 1.90:1 cut for Dune 2 even though Part One was shown in 1.43:1 on those screens. Also, the 5/70mm film version is matted to 2.39:1 and not 2.20:1.
When the Bene Gesserit enter the arena viewing box from the inside and their black veils turn WHITE, with black embroidery, I just fell apart in the theatre. What an awesome piece of filming.
I had exactly this kind of whiplash experience because I saw it opening day at the teeny tiny little 6-screen old-ass local theater next to my part-time job and it was a travesty, lol - too small of a screen proportion compared to the room space, dim projector with weird ripple artifacts, wires from the ceiling hanging down over the top of the screen, and worst of all, the CENTRAL AIR was louder than the movie audio half the time. That last issue is what compelled me to pay a ludicrous amount of money for an Uber to/from the nearest IMAX 30 miles away (alas, I can't drive) on top of the expensive ticket price, because I knew what a auditory feast this movie is meant to be, not only for big loud scenes but for all the intricacies mixed into it. I refused to be denied that experience, and the trip was worth it.
My husband had his first and only seizure watching 4DX a few years ago. So it definitely puts you through a lot.
This is the only movie in about 15 years where I wanted to puchase the it for myslef. Also the extra behind the scenes details were worth it!
Thank you so much for this video, Amanda! I already saw it in IMAX and was debating whether to go again or see it in 4DX. Well, you’ve convinced me! 4DX it is, I love it when the seats go crazy 😂😂😂❤
My first watch of part 2 was on the premiere along some friends in a late screening. Only one cinema on late hours in which we could watch it in english in my city so we had not many options. First problem was that the screen had one green point in it, and OMG it was so distracting, made me rethink at times if watching it in original language was worth it like that. Can't say I got used to it but rather accepted it, but then when the worm ridding scene was starting, audio went mute! At first we (my friends, me, and probably the full theather) thought it was part of the scene, which for a couple of seconds is true. But the silent extended so much that people started whispering and asking if it was intentionally that long. Then goes the cheering scene after Paul manages to ride it and the only sound was the whistling of many upset people. Some started to shout loudly, and others initiated a rumbling noise with their feet, with someone screaming "a worm!" which was pretty funny. After a couple minutes like that one man stood up to talk to someone in charge and he was cheered on his way. He came back along with the sound and the replay of the worm scene. It's funny that the audio STILL went out again once more, but quickly fixed this time. I won't be going to that cinema again for sure but that was an experience. Second watch of the movie was on another cinema, spanish dubbed, but definitely enjoyed it more because it had no interruptions 😅
Omg yes please read and review the book! It’s SOO good!
Let’s gooooo Amanda and Dune!
Thankfully, I am not on the fence about missing this movie. Reviews just keep helping me feel good about that decision
What aspect of the movie do you find so repulsive?
Chani being a concubine: In the book she wasn't super okay with that. Lady Jessica had to kinda convince her, and in the following novel Chani being a concubine isn't good. Its a very complex issue
Great Video, Amanda!
My first viewing was D-Box (basically a way way more subtle version of 4DX , no air or water stuff just very deliberate planned vibrations and seat movements) that was an absolute amazing experience from start to finish, for the work riding scene I wasn’t in a theatre on planet earth I was there on Arrakis riding a maker next to Paul. Not going to forget that experience anytime soon.
Thank you for suffering through that 4D experience for us
My friend forced me to go see Avatar 2 in 4DX and I had to leave halfway through because it was making me so sick. I didn’t even want to see Avatar in the first place and the format certainly didn’t help.
IMAX with 3D is my favourite screen format of all time.
With 4DX, weirdly I’m a fan of being tickled, punched in the back and thrashed around so watching anything action packed is a must for me.
Fast X was a rollercoaster ride at 50 times intensity and I found myself giggling along with fellow movie goers in a sold out screening😅
I wish I could watch Dune 2 in 4DX but life happens🤷🏾♀️
I just saw it in IMAX at the Bullock theater for the third time! It was my first time seeing it in IMAX (Dolby first viewing and standard second viewing at Alamo Draft House). I gotta say the true IMAX experience was by far my favorite. That screen is amazing!
4Dx was incredible. I loved it all the way through. The water was also used for blood spatter. I wish I had seen it a second time that way.
I saw it in standard first at my local 6-screen theater that’s not new but isn’t a dinosaur theater either, then in RPX in a little bit bigger college town that can support multiple theaters. Both days were $6 plus tax because I’m a Regal Crown Club member. I enjoyed both, but the RPX wasn’t as different as I was led to believe. Maybe because my local theater isn’t as outdated as some, or maybe because I wear glasses. I was led to believe it was like 4dx. Nope. Whatever the case, I enjoyed the movie both times and can’t wait to see the bonus features on BluRay. Yes, some of us still use those!
You can say Feyd was... easily Seydoux'd
Saw it in 4DX, my body shot forward, my hair flew in front of me, I got thrown back and my hair went into my mouth but the wind effect shoved it down my throat. I was choking and had to pull this long chunky strand of hair out of my throat. It was amazing.
Sounds like you're really in the movie. Was it Saw 7?
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I literally saw Jurassic park in 4dx last weekend.
It was INTENSE 🦖👌
We didnt have smoke though, that's pretty cool! I did notice smells with ours, but NO POOP SMELL at the triceratops scene 😞
I love ur videos bestie I’m so happy I got to one this early❤️
I'm super excited about a third movie, or technically a second movie since Part 1 and 2 are one movie. But I don't think they're just going to do Messiah, the set up with Feyds child suggests they might combine Paul of Dune with Dune Messiah. Either way I can't wait.
I would love a video of you discussing the book if you do end up reading it!
My first experience in 4DX was topgun Maverick and that was really fun, you felt like you were in the planes. Kinda
Mine was The Batman and it was AMAZING!! The car crash was the coolest part.
im so sad that i cant get to an imax screen to see it but i did go to my dinky local cinema
What I love is that Paul doesn't turn into a villain which would be all too easy a trap for most filmmakers. You can see and hear just how much he wants to do right by everyone and how heartbroken he is with the path he has to walk. Two very clear moments stand out in my mind as his tearful agreement to go south with the rest of the Fremen and his whispered command to "lead them to paradise" at the end, Timothee just shows fully that Paul is as much a victim of the events as the people of Arrakis. So good!