I love how Weiss' development here. In Volume 5, she's trying to bring her Pokemon knight without a distraction, now she's using her semblance creatively
I remember when Volume 3 came out and wondering what the choreography was gonna look like, then I saw SSSN vs NDGO. Sigh. I personally am really glad they've found their rhythm again.
You are completely right here, the start of volume 6 had amazing fight choreography and from there ironwood Vs watts was amazing they really did well with the fights
Jax Antilles that’s fight was bad ngl. But Pyrrha vs Cinder Yang vs Mercury, RWBY vs ABRN, Penny vs Pyrrha and RWBY vs FNKI were pretty good in my opinion
Ruby actually did something smart here. She knew that Harriet was faster than the rest of RWBY and she must have realised that she (Harriet) couldn’t risk letting Ruby go since she’s too slippery. Because of this, Harriet had to follow her, resulting in a battle that singled out Harriet from the rest of the Ace Ops and would have lasted longer seeing as Harriet was somewhat faster than Ruby. This allowed the other fights to finish which also allowed the rest of RWBY to come to her aid.
Not only that but Ruby plays defensive, when they are alone in the big room Ruby is basically standing still while Harriet is running about. She was making her tired without Harriet even realising. Even before she sprints at Ruby and Weiss uses ice to block her, Harriet was panting showing that she was getting tired during the fight.
Ruby’s the leader for a reason. She can assess the situation at hand and make a good counterstroke plan to deal with the issue. She knew the Ace Ops are professional that use their semblances & abilities compliment each other and that Harriet’s was the most threatening therefore she enraged her and 1v1’d her so she wouldn’t take out any other members of team RWBY, who wouldn’t fair well against her speed other than Ruby.
grant langkamp From what I’ve seen, Ruby is no where NEAR Harriet in terms of speed. Again, just going off of what I’ve seen, Ruby clocks in at about 195 kilometres per hour. On the other hand, Harriet moves at speeds fast enough to not be seen and, in order to do that, you’d have to be moving at a speed of 38146 miles per hour. That’s 61390.036 kilometres per hour.
I don't see why everyone judges this fight. To me, it seems like, although Ace Ops are far more experienced, they're pretty much just coworkers, so not having their good luck charm with them in addition to being at each other's necks the entire time during an emotional situation makes it very believable that they would lose this. I'd also like to point out that they mainly deal in Grimm hunting, so they're not really used to fighting opponents with the same level of intellect as them.
Exactly. They were at a disadvantage without Clover's Semblance or his leadership to coordinate them. A disadvantage Team RWBY didn't have when it came to their abilities to work together.
Thank you that's the thing I knew from the very beginning that Atlas is more militarized than anything sure from the beginning they had all advanced technology then any other place but still being militarize gives them a far worse problem they mindlessly follow orders without a second thought. Honestly Atlas Hunters and Huntresses shouldn't even be called that because they're more soldiers real Hunters can think for themselves and follow the code to protect people from the Grimm but Atlas Hunters always had a written agenda. Atlas "A good soldier always follows orders I have no choice" Common sense "You always have a choice"
@@greendude7650 yeh I’ll give u that but some parts of the fight made no sense like when the girl with the hammer grabbed Blake that’s shouldve turned into a 3v4 after that anyway she literally stopped a mammoth with her hands she could squash a person like a grape bro
@@jjcameron0096 "hesitation towards comrades" soldier's do rely on each other and trust is very important but then again Ace Ops got an funny idea about "Friends" you ask me Atlas talks big but a lot good they did in the fall of Beacon Academy but Ironically they thought hey cold emotional less Robots would be a great army instead of people with humanity. Also I'm pretty sure regular soldiers don't count as hunters or Huntresses but they got them.
I love how when the ACE OPs see Vine go down, it seems like a HUGE crack forms in their confidence, and how they become even less composed and more distracted.
@@crisisdude7439 Weiss was alright in this. I mean hey! First 1v1 fight that she didn't loose amiright? Ruby didn't really have a fight, it was more "catch me if you can!"
TheGaming Gallery What I wanted to see more : rwby pull stunts with her weapon to counter harriets fast movement, Weiss to use that time dial semblance, everyone else was ok
You can tell that despite the ace ops being more skilled, team rwby knew what they were doing. Ruby played with harriets emotions by saying “you were and then you trained us” and separated her by flying out of the room and getting Harriet to go after her. Harriet could have stayed in the room making it 4v3 for a few seconds which could have been enough time to detain Weiss Blake and yang. Then it’s 4v1 against ruby. That’s a stretch but other reasons are listed below Yang played with elms emotions by saying “they’re just following orders” elm literally had Blake in her arms and could have tied her up but she instead threw Blake at the wall and went for yang Yang and Blake knew that vine was going for capture and not aura break. They used this to their advantage by using yangs explosives and Blake’s shadow clones. They knew that vine would grab “Blake” instead of hit her so they had him grab an explosive shadow clone Yang broke the floor to make elms semblance useless Marrow didn’t even want to fight anyone he was definitely holding back against Weiss but I mean she was good too she did her own freezer burn and using her summoned knight to pretty much make marrows “stay” useless since he didn’t freeze them both at the same time Ruby got Harriet so upset that she didn’t even notice her teammates get defeated except come and she also didn’t notice Weiss enter the room so she ran at ruby and Weiss made the wall which was honestly hilarious Thanks for reading my essay
The Ace Ops might be a little bit more skilled than RWBY but RWBY was fighting as a team even while physically separated and were far more tactical. Meanwhile the Ace Ops were bickering and fighting against each other as much as they were team RWBY. And they didn't even try to handle RWBY tactically, instead they just paired up and tried to beat each member into submission. All of the major beats where RWBY gains ground are the result of either clever tactics, teamwork, or both. I still personally prefer Blake and Yang vs Adam because of the massive character development but this is one of the best fights in the show.
I appreciate your essay but I’m going to have to disagree. Ruby leaving the room tactically was a terrible idea. Had Harriet stayed her team would’ve been at a disadvantage and no leader would EVER intentionally disadvantage their team. The idea of Ruby using a scythe is badass until it comes time to fight someone. Ruby is TERRIBLE at hand to hand and its literally Hare’s specialty and we’ve seen how devastating a hit can be from her. So Harriet wins on paper and in practice and if you doubt that, even with handcuffs on she was offensively overwhelming Ruby. Blake takes WAY too many direct hits from Elm for her aura not to break. Why slow down the impact when Elm caught her weapon and literally smashed her dozens of feet into the air if Blake is going to continue fighting like all of her ribs arent broken. Especially when one hit takes out both Vine AND Elm. And if you want to argue Yang’s semblance did most of the work on Elm, we see Yang take one hit. Just one. Weiss is literally trying to kill Marrow. Ice shards sharp enough to penetrate the ground will definitely penetrate flesh and bone. Him and Harriet duck a swipe clearly aiming to decapitate them and then he dodges a vertical strike from a 20ft sword like come on guys? Aura or not Marrow is dead. And speaking of, we’ve seen Marrow Stay 3 Ace Ops at once all of which physically bigger and stronger than Blake, Weiss and Yang, long enough to LEISURELY detain them so Ruby leaving the room, again, terrible idea, terrible writing. As far as emotional manipulation, why would Ruby try to appeal to Harriet if initially she wanted to rile her up to make her make mistakes? Vine is the clear choice to appeal to. And the way Ruby just throws Harriet on her face after the fight? Is that how you treat someone who trained you? Is that how we want our heroes to treat defeated former friends? Neither Yang nor Blake nor Weiss make any attempt to make peace. They simply write off the Ace Ops as soon as they aren’t of use. Lastly, the cuffs dont stop semblances so IF they left with the Ace Ops and didn’t like what Ironwood was planning, Ruby can remove them at the most opportune time and they can leave.
@@icecold10001 There are a few things that have happened in the series that can properly explain a few of those: For Ruby leaving the room, she knew that Harriet would HAVE to follow: if she didn't, then chances are Ruby could have escaped....and Harriet was the only one among the AceOps that could keep up and catch her. She knew she couldn't keep up with Harriet OR beat her, but after seeing Vine go down from Yang and Blake, she knew that it was only a matter of time before she got help....so it was a question of staying out of Harriet's immediate range, keep from being cuffed, and hold out until the cavalry arrived. As for Blake and her endurance, from all the fighting she did in the past (especially against her crazy ex -totally saying he acted like that, I can't see it otherwise) her Aura probably grew a lot stronger and more durable to be able to tank hits such as that; we've seen how nimble Vine is, so his Aura was probably not used to taking hits (plus he uses his Semblance almost constantly, so that's constantly being eaten away as well even if just a bit); as for Elm, she definitely took a lot of hits, during the initial start when Yang forced her into the pavilion, strong or otherwise. There's also room to judge between the shifts in everyone's own fight. Weiss's own Semblance allows her to use Dust for her attacks, mainly concentrated Dust: much stronger yet harder to control overall. Aura are able to handle the brunt of it, not to mention flat-out explosions to the face (as seen when Tyrian caught a bomb arrow in his teeth when Robyn shot it, and he remained fine because he still had some of his Aura left) so chances are it wouldn't have done as much damage as it probably would on someone without an Aura. I can't truly explain why Weiss chose to be so brutal, but as to why Marrow didn't try to use his Semblance on both is pretty simple: he can stop multiple people at once with his "Stay" (as shown when he stops a massive crowd a while back) but ONLY if he's able to face in their direction; he was being attacked at multiple sides, Weiss with her glyphs on one, and her guardian by another. She's seen it in action, so she had to make sure he had a contingency in case he started using it, otherwise she was going to be caught herself. I can't truly say much else for the other things you mentioned, however for the ones you have, these are my argument. I won't say if it's true or not, that's just my own theory behind it. Though I will say, having read your own theories, it gave rise to mine so thank you for the chance to think on something like this~
Guys guys let's not forget 1. Team RWBY has had to deal with shit like Cinder right from when they were still at school. Circumstances forced them to run the learning curve much faster than usual. They are miles ahead of other people with the same amount of time of experience. 2. Ace Ops described themselves as: a. Not needing to think about their liabilities since the team was build like a chain to offset each other's weaknesses. There was a ring missing in that chain right here. b. Too ready to obey orders. You'd think that makes them too dependant on command, which sucks if your leader is absent. 3. They were also not in an agreement on how to proceed with the situation (they probably assumed team RWBY wouldn't dare confront them and didn't have time to think it through and had to play it by ear). 4. They are the protagnists :>D
The part i love the most is rwby saying "you were, and then you trained us" and then when they all looked SHOCKED that team rwby knocked one of theirs out. I had goosebumps!!!!
@@enter-rv3ng3d Also before the training ark they were not that much weaker. They lacked formal tactical training but they most likely had more real world combat experience
@@enter-rv3ng3d Which literally made no sense. This is supposed to be the strongest team in Atlas, which is the most experienced city in Remnant in terms of combat wise. Meaning, RWBY being able to become stronger than them that fast makes legitimately no sense.
@@someoneodd3329 It wasn't necessarily just about team RWBY being stronger. As pointed out in the next volume and implied here, the ace ops feelings about each other and conflicted feelings lead them to not work together or really be at their best fighting condition. The teamwork present during their first fight isn't present here.
I just realized Marrow is a dog and his semblance is telling other people to stay. Plus, marrow is what you find inside of bones which is what dogs are associated with.
I see a lot of people saying "Team RWBY should've done this or, all yang did was dodge or Ruby needs to train more." you all seem to forget that Ruby, Weiss, Blake and yang were not aiming to kill but subdue them. These are not Salem's henchmen or Grimm these are Military trained officers. After binge watching this series again due to quarantine. I compared this to other fights and I truly think that everyone *including* yang was holding back.
I wholeheartedly agree. If you pay attention, Ruby doesn't take a swing back a Harriet the whole fight. And we know that she's fast enough to keep up and fight back.
Ngl, Marrows Semblance is kinda really cool. Just being able to command someone to "STAY", must be pretty effective in a 1v1. Plus, hes a dog boy, so the scheme works lol
Team RWBY may not be stronger than the Ace Ops but they are smarter: Ruby- used her speed to keep Harriet away from the others Weiss- used her summon to attack Marrow from 2 directions so he couldn't stay them both Blake and Yang: had teamwork something that Vine and Elm didnt have
Tones of cons on the Ace Ops side. Marrow and Vine being the less aggressive/wanting to harm Team RWBY. As Elm and Harriet were fighting with lethal intent. They're brilliant Hunters in their own right. But as a team, and without Clover there to properly lead them, they suck at working together.
It's clear from the fight's choreography that the Ace-Ops are still massively stronger than team RWBY and that team RWBY needed to use strategy and teamwork to beat them - RWBY is full of moments like this when people use strategy and team work to to beat enemies much stronger than they are. My one regret is that we didn't get to see Vine's weapon.
@Harris Andon Fu Ruby's aura would not be depleted because Harriet prevented her from using her semblance by outrunning her. Besides that, she didn't really inflict a lot of damage.
Unpopular opinion but if you pay close attention to the scene at the end where Harriet prepares to make her final charge, you can see that Ruby had fully prepared her scythe and was ready to take it head on. I point that out because, if you think of it one way, Weiss may have saved Harriet with her ice wall instead of Ruby. The force of Harriet's charge, plus the positioning of Ruby's scythe (and possible gunshot-enhanced force of her swing) could of equalled this unlucky rabbit getting accidentally bisected.
Imo I don't think she can bisect harriet when her aura is up, it will 1 shot her and takes away her aura if her scythe lands a blow on her, that's it. Weiss was just returning ruby a favor from the fight earlier when ruby saved Weiss from marrow's weapon.
Ok I can’t help but say how unfair the fandom is being. I see nothing about how drastically the choreography has improved or any actual positive criticism where it’s due. Yes, some of these things are valid complaints and it comes from a place of love for Rwby but it seems like y’all are going to comment to shit on the more trivial things. Compared to when Monty worked on it production value did decrease, but why is no one pointing out how now that the writers have gotten themselves together and have overall IMPROVED RWBY from even volumes 1-3? I am completely disappointed with a majority of the fandom looking for every reason to hate RWBY while still coming back to rinse and repeat.
@@kalentinesday Nope During the fight with weise and renal all she did was summon never using her glyphs. SHE CAN USE TIME MANIPULATION, WHY IS SHE SUMMONING!?
What’s interesting is that you can kind of see that with his semblance. His whole power looks like he’s literally trying to exert his authority and force a nonviolent resolution
Melral CT-3718 but he wanted to see if he could rationalize with them. It was obvious what the answer was to him but it was too late and the girls were scattered.
I once thought the fight was bullshit, but upon looking over Volume 7 again this was actually well thought out. The battle wasn't a matter of plot armor or experience, I believe it was skill sets. Let's break it down. Ruby vs. Harriet: In terms of speed, they're evenly matched. However, Ruby is a mid-to-long range fighter and their battle was in a closed area. She may have received some hand-to-hand combat training but she's peanuts in comparison to Harriet and her silver eyes only work on Grimm. Harriet actually had an advantage over Ruby, so Harriet would be the clear winner. However, the fight also shows that Ruby hadn't attempted an attack on Harriet besides immobilizing her arms. Given that Harriet has a hot temper and a competitive streak, she wore herself out trying to beat down Ruby. If it wasn't for Weiss, Ruby would've exhausted Harriet instead. Weiss vs. Marrow: ...Not really much to say about this. It was pretty one-sided. Marrow didn't have the versatile arsenal Weiss had, and his Time Stop could only work on one opponent each, and the Arma Gigas could clearly move even if Weiss had been frozen. Let's remember that Marrow usually needs one of his teammates to follow up on his Time Stop. Yang & Blake vs. Vine and Elm: This one's a tad bit trickier. Taking a look at Vine, he's more of a support teammate and he was clearly backing up Elm and keeping distance. Elm's a tank. Can dish out just as much as she can take, but her semblance suggests that she acts as the immovable object, stand her ground. However, without that ground - as presented in the fight - she's vulnerable, and Vine can only do so much damage on his own. Now Yang, on the other hand, is both heavy-hitting, fast and is definitely the better hand-to-hand expert than her opponents. With the addition of the new-found control of her semblance, she's the most threatening combatant. Blake's stance in the fight is similar to Vine as a support, but as a former-White Fang member, she's second to Weiss in agility (granted Weiss hasn't shown that agility in a while). Now teamwork... Vine and Elm should definitely be superior in teamwork, but the relationship between Yang and Blake doesn't mean they're better either. Honestly, this part came to chance. But when Vine was taken out, Elm was doomed to fail. Now I'm gonna quote something from Clover. "Ace-Ops are handpicked to perfectly complement one another. So we can focus on our assets and leave our liabilities behind." This suggests that the Ace-Ops are superior as a TEAM. For example, Marrow needs someone (Harriet) to follow up with his semblance. Elm temporarily stabilizes herself to take the hits while another attack. Meaning that if Harriet hadn't rushed off to battle Ruby alone, and if Vine and Elm didn't leave Marrow behind with Weiss. Their chances of victory would've been higher because (SPOILERS) during the Penny vs. Ace-Ops fight, they did much better than against RWBY. Albeit Penny wasn't fully realized Maiden, but Penny on her own is still a powerhouse, and Marrow did state that they were holding back before - and by that he means he and Vine held back while Elm was being emotional and Harriet being too prideful. So to summarise: By Ruby leading Harriet away from her team, the Ace-Ops dynamic actually fell apart. That's actually some good battle prowess from Little Red.
A minor comment, Marrow has actually demonstrated the use of his semblance on more than one target (in the aftermath of the election attack). In this case however, he didn't manage to have on sight both targets at the same time. Additionaly, I appreaciated the use of Mounty signature mark, the air / moon shot with Yang at 2:43. Definetly better than the cheap feeling of the battle with Raven in the previous volume
Very well explained, Ace OPs didn't act like a team and for me, that was enough to seal their fate. I don't care who you are or what your semblance is, if you let your emotions get the best of you and stop thinking, you're about to hold a very big L.
While I do agree with most of what you said, I still believe Team RWBY won on a bit of plot armor... At the end of the day Ace-Ops are highly trained and highly experienced Huntsman... Team RWBY are skillful and talented, but they are still kids. They don't have the education ( because they're still technically first years), nor the years of training & battle experience to match up against adults that are considered elite powerhouse Spec Ops fighters. It's still plot armor because we're talking about kids that have only trained with Ace-Ops for a couple of weeks and were only given the title of Huntsman because of their bravery at the fall of Beacon, and Ironwood had a soft spot for them as Ozpin's students... In reality, they should have stood NO chance, whether Ace-Ops were separated or not... And while Team RWBY was giving it their all, I do truly believe Marrow when he said they were holding back because they weren't really trying to hurt them. You can tell that by how they were communicating with each other trying to convince themselves to go harder.
@@RobotRebelCinema Yeah, at this point they suffer from the bad writing more than their circumstances. Like Vexed Viewer said, if someone is holding back and starts losing... Why keep holding back?
People keep comparing "Power Levels", but that's only one of many factors in a fight. You don't mesure how a fight would go just by seing how powerful one character is over another. Its about environment use, strategies and flexibility in alternating between them. Remember how they watched the Ace Ops fight in the beggining of the season? how they applied a complicated strategy to defeat the geist without ever talking to each other? That's the same Blake does with Yang in this fight: They keep breaking the ground as soon as they notice that Elm would not be able to use her semblance effectively with a broken ground. Also, some of the Ace Ops hesitated a LOT during this fight because of their time spent together, or simple because they tought the kids where still as weak as they were when they reached Atlas.
So...what your saying is, bonds beat earned experience whenever the situation calls for it. So me and my friends (who have basic understanding of hand to hand combat) can beat the crap outta some trained soldiers if we train for a few months and catch them of guard? It’s that friggin simple?! Why did no one tell me?! Jokes aside, the AceOps where written to lose this fight. If they applied what they did to the Geist to their fight with team RW/BY, they would of at least KO’D one of them. But no, a group of trained hunters got their asses handed to them by a group of emotionally inept teenagers. I’ve seen ALL the excuses: The AceOps didn’t have Clover their leader and“lucky charm”. The AceOps where conflicted. The AceOps underestimated Team RW/BY. The AceOps where emotionally compromised. Soldiers in real life are trained from boot camp/basic training to withstand physical, mental and emotion strain in order to complete their tour. Specialist teams, like the AceOps, are made up of the best in their field. Members of these groups are expected to exercise initiative, self-reliance, maturity and resourcefulness. Yet, instead we see a team that’s supposed to be the “best of the best” in Atlas become an easily riled up and easily beatable group of noobs that Team RW/BY can smack around after an undefined amount of training. HELL! Hazel, Emerald, Mercury and that Vernal put up a better fight than the AceOps! Wins are earned through changes of character and the development and honing of skill. Team RW/BY haven’t changed. Weiss still uses her summons. No glyphs. Yang still sticks wit Blake. (Why no one has abused this team up to their advantage is beyond me) Ruby still sucks at hand-to-hand combat. I agree that power isn’t everything and MANY factors and variables can influence a fight or combat situation, which can turn tides in the favor of a less experienced or weaker character. But THIS ain’t it chief. This was minor character degradation, that was written in favor of Team RW/BY.
@@mitchellmeyer5303 i read that first line then I stopped reading because not once did op ever imply that. You know what they say if the first line of an essay is flat out wrong then the rest will be as well.
True, even in games the strongest weapon doesn't always mean you'll win. You have to have the right mouth of power to use it, the right amount of strategy. People who complain about failing a fight are the ones who in majority of games just run in guns blazing. Then get all pissy and claim it's 'too hard'. Actually, if you'd sit back and plan it'd work. Games like Elder Scrolls Online or Octopath Traveler have you level up based upon dungeon, when you go in without a plan or under leveled of course you're going to get your ass handed to you. Same goes for World of Tanks, they are called Strategy Games for a fucking reason. The strongest doesn't always mean you will win! I hate people who complain about this, just shows how little they know about the world.
Crumbs of Chip I feel like Ruby as a mixed long-distance and melee fighter could and SHOULD have done more. Crescent Rose as a scythe is a weapon best utilized in an up-close fight, while the sniper rifle aspect is obviously better at a significant distance. We didn’t really see either aspect except the pretty but massively superficial twirl at the beginning and the completely useless rounds fired at Harriet early on. I found it very odd and immensely dissatisfying that Ruby’s opponent had to be stopped by Weiss when everyone else handled their opponent on their own. Blake and Yang worked together, so I am counting those as 2v2. Other Ruby blocking one oversized boomerang throw from Marrick, Weiss handled him, and then ended Harriet’s charge.
I agree, rubys scythe would probably kill harriot, who carries no weapon, with one or two hits. Also Ruby was against fighting the Ace ops and wanted to work together to defeat Salem. But I do feel she could of done more in the fight.
THANK YOU! Against Marrow of all people. She’s not demonized because her hits didnt land but still Marrow was in there fighting for his life. Also after Ruby left the room he could’ve Stayed the other 3 no problem we’ve seen him do it. I love this show been here since the Red trailer blew my mind years ago but the dip in quality is depressing.
Hmmm.. I've seen a lot of complaints lately on this fight, about how Team RWBY was able to beat Ace Ops. The thing though, is, it's only natural that this is the outcome if you consider these following points: 1.) Bad Match-ups for the Ace Ops -- If you consider the match-ups in this fight, you'll quickly notice that Team RWBY chose their opponents such that they were the best counters against the respective Ace Op. Ruby took Harriet because she could counter her speed semblance; Weiss took Marrow because using her summoning, she can counter his semblance; and lastly Blake and Yang have the best teamwork against Elm and Vine. 2.) Divided -- Clover was their leader and one of the most important parts of the group. The Ace Ops were specially picked to work with each other, right? In this current scenario, not only were each members separated, limiting their teamwork (which is their greatest asset, mind you) but their leader was nowhere to be found. Of course they're not gonna be as effective. Not only that but a lot of the Ace Ops had differing opinions on what to do -- Harriet and Elm are angry and want to fight back but Marrow and Vine both want to take a more peaceful route. They were clearly not united. 3.) Experience -- Yes, Ace Ops have been professional huntsmen longer but Team RWBY have been basically the same level as a normal huntsman for a long time already, maybe all the way back to V4/5. Not to mention they also have a lot of experience with different fighters, semblances, and environments that they are able to adapt quicker to different circumstances as a result of traveling through 2 separate continents until reaching Atlas while Ace Ops have just kinda been stuck in Atlas for a long time. I don't know if RWBY has more experience per se, but they have at least slightly less experience than Ace Ops. Also it's not like RWBY was still vastly stronger against Ace Ops. Ruby clearly never had the advantage in the fight. Sure, she was able to handicap Harriet but she was still on the defensive for a vast majority of the fight until Weiss showed up. For the Weiss fight, her semblance was just the perfect counter for Marrow's so it makes a lot of sense she was able to beat him, plus the fact that Marrow wasn't really planning to actually "beat" her, he was holding back. Lastly, if we were to analyze the BY vs EV fight, Blake and Yang were clearly disadvantaged in the beginning. They were only able to really fight back when they first focused on Vine, 2v1ing him. They knew that he was more for peace, so he would be more likely to restrain than actually hurt -- this, of course, was used by BY to trick Vine and blow his face up. After that it was a 2v1 against Elm, and with Elm's semblance being effectively nullified by the broken floor, BY had a much easier time dealing with her.
I think ruby never fought back intentionally because her weapon was mainly for killing since it could be a scythe and be pushed back to slice someone up with a bang so probably just holding back. My opinion
@@data6874 Maybe, yeah. I think it's more that her scythe is way too big and heavy that it's too slow to actually be effective against someone as quick as Harriet
And people say team RWBY hasn’t grown. HA! Plus if you factor in qrow? They’ve had to constantly work against the odds with only the rare occasions things worked out. The ace ops, particularly Clover? They don’t have that
I like how Weiss learned to do the Freezerburn move by herself to buy her time to summon armour gigas and prevent Marrow from using his line-of-sight semblance to stop her. She's clearly learned from Vernal Also Yang using taunts to get under Elm's skin and make her drop Blake. She's clearly learned from Neon!
@@christianvannucci6455 Sadly true. I want to see Yang experiment with more creative team-ups. Imagine performing an iceflower type of attack with Weiss. Yang shoots a fireball through Weiss' flame glyph, and her projectile scatters into multiple blasts that are double times explosive because they are amplified by Weiss' fire dust. Or imagine Yang doing a team attack similar to the one Ruby and nora did back in V4 against the geist where Ruby carried Nora in her petal flight for a momentum- driven hammer blast. Just imagine Ruby carrying Yang in her flight, then whe she flies straight towards Harriet she throws a surprise Yang out of her rose petal cape, and Yang punches Harriet hard. Just imagine Blake amplified by Weiss' time dilation. Elm and Vine won't be ready for a quick clone-spamming strike raid spamming Blake, combined with Weiss and her elemental dust assaults.
@@maiseree1511 The funny part, in the fight between RWBY and Torchwick's mech, we see all their team attacks (Which also became their ships name, see Iceflower, Bumblebee, Checkmate, Ladybug, etc), where Blake indeed was powered up by Weiss. The funny thing is, only Ruby and Yang didn't have a team attack, the sisters didn't have a team attack, the bloody half sisters. And none of them are used now. I get they are an adaptable team, but sometimes it's just Weiss spamming summon and some spells as if she was a mage only, Blake and Yang only caring about eachother and Ruby lately has been the only one that isn't winning solo against anything but big grimms because silver eyes, and even those are almost a plot device, they suck or don't work until they need something to win something unwinnable. We need more Yang and Ruby and Weiss not being as solo as she had been lately, where she is basically a two person team by this point, which is great because she's self reliant, but she needs a team. And I'd love to see Ruby and Weiss team up more, Weiss in the back not relying so much on just summons and using more time glyphs and buffs to Ruby or other to let them go ham. I really would love to see a semblance user that inutilizes or steals semblances, because in Vol 4 Yang had that whole "You rely too much on your semblance" thing, which was stupid because her semblance is as last resort and situational as it gets, a powerup when harmed and in a pinch, compared to Weiss who doesn't ever use her rapier and spams glyphs, who should be tbe one who had been taught to rely less on semblances. Winter didn't rely as much on her semblance, for example, she uses her weapons more. Blake on the other hand has been using her semblance too defensively while she used to use it aggressively in a hit and run type of style, going in, back, in again, fake, dodge and reposition and so on. I have high hopes, choreography and pacing have been getting better and we have been starting to see the development that was been hinted at since Vol 4 like Yang more strategic, Blake more team reliant after learning to trust, Weiss being stronger and self reliant, Ruby using and understanding her semblance better, etc.
@@christianvannucci6455 I think the whole 'too reliant on a semblance' thing made sense for Yang. Before she lost her am, every single fight she had was won by her temper tantrum semblance. The moment she saw Adam stab Blake, she let her emotions run wild and just assumed that her semblance can bear the damage Adam will dish only for him to take down her aura in one slice. Yang's semblance is great as a last resort thing and I think it's great that Yang can fight smartly without relying on a temper tantrum to power her up. Plus not using her semblance often adds the element of surprise. I also think they're making up for the numerous times Weiss lost in the previous volumes during one-on-one fights by making her an independent self-reliant team of her own. Still though I think it would be great to see her give her teammates buffs here and then. And yes, I do agree that she needs to do some raw fencing more again. When she loses her aura in a fight she has to learn to defend herself with just her rapier. And Blake still uses that agressive hit-and-run clone tactic. In Volume 6 she used it against Adam when they were fighting in front of the waterfall and Yang had not arrived yet. I think she used it defensively against the Ace Ops because she was still studying how they fight and thought it would be too risky to just run straight for them. Plus once again, there's the element of surprise
I swear maybe I'm biased but dam I thought this was a great fight showing off both the skills and limitations of both team RWBY and the Ace Ops. I really don't understand why Vol. 7 seems to have been getting so much hate, personally I thought it was great but again who am I to say.
matt dunn except Ruby didn’t show off. She was losing until she was able to snag Harriet’s cuffs, and even then Weiss intervened and cut off the charge. The other members of Team RWBY had great scenes. Ruby mostly used her semblance and was still at a disadvantage when Weiss intervened.
@@flayremoon I kind of interpreted it as Ruby not really wanting to fight them and also still shook over the news of her mother. Plus Harriet still does have more experience using her semblance than Ruby does.
Most of the hate probably comes from the Luck Charm fiasco. I'm still not sure if they intended Qrow and Clover to be a potential ship or not. I always saw them as friends but apparently people were really hurt that Clover died and want him to come back.
Why are there so many comments trashing RWBY here? I mean Ace Ops could have win if their teamwork skills were in more harmony than team RWBY. Furthermore, remember guys, Clover wasn't with them, so they would be lack of luckiness. He already said "What would you guys do without me?". The point here of winning the fight was that RWBY's teamwork skill was better than Ace-ops'. (Sr English is my first language, I tried :'0)
That's my problem. Let's say RWBY has the skill of new Huntresses - the Aesops are ELITE in a kingdom where WINTER is there. Are they saying that Weiss > Winter? There's no way she's THAT skilled.
William Chuba Winter was pre-occupied. And yeah, the Ace Ops are an elite squad in Atlas, but Atlas is constantly seen, even by Weiss(who btw, still considers Atlas her home), as a kingdom filled with selfish douchebags. Yeah, the military training there is top notch, but their ability to work as a team isn’t. Even Ironwood, the top dog of the entire kingdom, turned his back on Team RWBY when there was signs of disloyalty, even if it ended up being for the better and he knew it. If the Ace Ops were able to coordinate better as a team and not bicker with each other, then yeah, they probably would’ve won. But they weren’t, and Team RWBY knew that and took advantage of it. And that’s not even taking into consideration that they didn’t have Clover, their leader, to not only tip the odds in their favor(being a 5v4), but actually keep them in line.
@@williamchuba9397 We actually haven't seen them really fight recently. But I'd say Weiss may very well be able to beat Winter in a fight soon. She's been trained by her and Weiss has something Winter lacks; creativity.
@@williamchuba9397 Scene from.... I think it's in a night off, she stops winters summon in it's tracks and then cuts out winters feet from under her using her little knight out of Winters line of sight is the first thing that came to mind.
Marrow: "I'm trying to arrest her not kill her." Well, you should have thought about that while all 4 members of team RWBY we're in your line of sight. This man could have ended it before it began had he used his semblance then.
You know that's very true if he hadn't hesitated since beginning it would have ended already, we've seen him told multiple entities to "stay" while they were all in his line of sight but he can't do it while in different directions as seen with fighting Weiss
I like how genuinely excited Yang and Blake are. Like they are a GREAT time and I am slightly concerned It’s also slightly amusing how easily they could’ve arrested Blake, TWICE. And if Harriet hadn’t sorta held the restraint up for that split second, she probably would’ve had a 50/50 chance of getting Ruby. They could have gotten both of them if they hadn’t hesitated, or let there anger control them.
I love that Crescent Rose was detrimental to Ruby in this fight, she designed it to fight Grimm and Hare was way to fast for the reach of the scythe to be any use. To me it seemed that Ruby was waiting for one of her teammates to finish their fight to help her. She wasn’t on the offensive and kept trying to wait it out that’s why she led Hare on a chase. It doesn’t help that Hare was out for blood too.
Well, Ruby is a middle to long range fighter, she's fast but if the enemy gets too close, she can't do much except hit them with Crescent Rose's handle, which was the point. They even pointed it out on vol 5, she struggled with melee combat, after all
They need to make it so one of the “modifications” ironwoods mentioned earlier will allow crescent rose to detach and become two sickles. That way it can be used for close range combat and is a weapon in which Ruby is used to handling.
It's her semblance that greatly helped her here. Like Harriet said in Chapter 3, Ruby's semblance is unique from other speed semblances. Because it isn't a speed semblance at all. Her semblance is the ability to burst into petals. Her speed is just a byproduct of her mass becoming lighter. Because of this it's impossible to capture her since she could always dematerialize herself into petals out of any trap
@@08ChrisV I don't see how Crimson Rose could transform in two smaller sickles, but I wouldn't mind since it not only fits her weapon style, but it's also similar to Maria's weapon, so it would fit IF Maria took a more mentoring role regarding the whole silver eyes think, since she barely did anything and basically told Ruby that she can't teach her how to properly use silver eyes
I love how this fight was able to showcase several traits of team RWBY as friends who through trials and hardship became a family, as opposed to the Ace Ops who are awesome fighters but are just in it for the job and the title. Basically, each mini-fight in that fight was won for a different reason: . 1. Weiss VS Marrow: This one is pretty clear. The differentiating trait was fighting spirit, which comes in part from knowing what you're fighting for and believing in it. Marrow wanted Weiss to come peacefully, and didn't use his semblence on her until the very last moment, at which point it was pretty much useless since he was flanked by the knight and could only STAY one target at a time. The reason, I believe, is that he didn't RLY believe in what he was fighting for, but rather just did as told. Weiss on the other hand knew exactly what she was fighting for, and therefore showed 0 restrain. Not the Adam Taurus kind - she did fight with self-control - but she basically tried to impale Marrow at one point. . 2. Ruby VS Harriet: I like to think of this one as "maturity". Ruby wasn't enraged at Harriet, because she understood where she was coming from, and therefore fought her carefully. Harriet on the other hand was so hateful and couldn't accept the idea of a kid disobeying her (disregarding the fact that Ruby isn't much of a kid at this point) that she just lost it, which gave the careful Ruby a chance to knock her out. She did get a bit of help from Weiss at the end, but I don't see how Ruby with Scythe would lose to hand-tied Harriet. . 3. Yang&Blake VS Elm&Vine: My favorite one, and it's about trust. You can call it "quality of relationship" but, well, trust is a big part of that. Yang and Blake knew how to fight together, they needed very little talking to understand each other, and their finishing move against Vine was a dangerous move that they carried out without talking at all. I mean, hell, Blake trusted Yang to implant her with a bunch of fucking bombs lmao. Meanwhile Elm and Vine were literally arguing while fighting, and didn't carry out any duo-attacks. This basically allowed Blake and Yang to pick out one at a time and beat them in a 1V2. This goes to show how the Ace Ops not being friends, but just collegues, is a huge weakness of them. . Weiss finally got a victory after 7 seasons of learning slowly and facing many challenges, and Yang&Blake showed how far they've come in trusting each other since Volume 6. Adam was able to constantly divide them, but this time they were an inseperable duo and the Ace Ops didn't stand a chance.
TOTALLY AGREE they won not because of plot or plot armor but because they didn't let thier anger blind them. They trusted each other and worked together. They EARNED the win
Nah bad writing and plot armor. Why would the worlds best huntsmen team part of the best military lack the discipline to beat some kids quick and easy. Why did Harriet try to cuff RWBY when she had the advantage. Why didn't Marrow use his semblance on both targets. Peoples were forced to make bad decisions for plot like Qrow fighting with a serial killer.
@@goddessrick8734 ok SO much wrong there. Firstly they won because the Ace Ops didn't work together and communicate not because of plot armor and lack of discipline. And the reason Qrow had to work with Tyrian was because he tried talking it out with Clover but he didn't listen. He couldn't convince him to let him talk this out with Ironwood so he had to work with someone he hated if it meant his freedom. Was it monumentality stupid? ABSOLUTELY Did it totally backfire? Yup But it was that or go to jail anyway so he took the chance that could've meant he got away
Honestly, Weiss saved Harriet. Clearly she was blinded by rage and with her arms tied, she couldn’t maneuver that well. Ruby, who has watched her for months, has learned her speed and was prepared to strike with Crescent Rose if Harriet got close enough. Ruby was going to time her strike and knock Harriet down... or slice right through her if her Aura wasn’t enough to protect her from the slice. Harriet was racing to her defeat, one way or another, and in a worst case scenario, her death.
King Ippo then you didn’t notice Ruby actually planning that. Ruby used herself as a distraction so Harriet wouldn’t go after her teammates. Ruby specifically taunted Harriet to goad her into following her. In any other scenario, I agree Harriet and Ace Ops would stomp RWBY. But that was not what happened this time. Ruby’s smart enough to know she can’t beat Harriet straight up, so, played keep away while letting her teammates, her friends, deal with the rest of the Ace Ops. Don’t underestimate Ruby, and definitely don’t overestimate Harriet.
ah, finally. someone actually understood the strategy behind ruby being on the defensive against harriet. most people here seem to think she was losing or that she needed weiss to save her smh.
@@sandraswift7280 honestly, it’s like people don’t even pay attention to the scene their watching. I thought that only belonged to Jeremy of CinemaSins, his staff, and his fans. Guess some RWBY fans are like Jeremy in that way. But for real though, just because Ruby couldn’t beat Harriet straight up, doesn’t mean she couldn’t outsmart her. The first battle to win is that of the mind. Once you’ve let your opponent into your head, you’ve already lost.
She always was a spellcaster and a fencer however, in first 3 Volumes she still fought a lot more with Glyphs than she did with pure motions of Myrtenaster.
@@C-F98 other way around, in the earlier volumes she used Myrtenaster properly as a sword, most notable of these occasions being her fight against the white fang lieutenant. i miss when she used to fight properly, makes her look so much stronger than relying on summons and using glyphs somewhat differently (at least in this fight)
I see where you're coming from, but to be fair, how else would you fight someone who can stall the movement of only ONE thing indefinitely without summoning or a teammate. If she went into melee range and got stalled then her summon can't really do much without hitting her in the process.
@@hideo7366 you're right about this fight but just in general, we've only seen situations where weiss is fighting using her summon. its the same deal with blake, she has TWO swords that we haven't seen in use since the earlier volumes. it used to be so cool watching blake fight
I love that little shocked look Marrow gives Weiss when she says 'This is my home!' because this meant she considered Mantle part of it. I don't think any faunus in their right mind would have thought a Schnee of all people would be willing to fight for Mantle, too, much less consider it part of 'home'. And she said that right after he brought up his own prejudice with her only for her to break it down immediately. Until that moment, he thought he was just fighting a bratty rich Schnee... only to learn otherwise right when he could actually declare her an enemy. She really must have blown his mind.
Wait what, but the Ace Ops were clearly dumbed down. Or maybe the being the best huntsman in Atlas doesnt take much. RWBY didnt really outsmart the opponents, they're opponents were just really dumb. Like they dont make a single plan during that fight.
Sun Burn Team RWBY had better teamwork and coordination. You could see that the Ace Ops were arguing amongst each other and didn’t really work together. You could see it with how Blake and Yang actually double-teamed Vine and Elm, while they were too focused on their own tactics. There’s also how Weiss used her summon to her advantage against Marrow. Since Marrow was trying to detain and Weiss was trying to win. She put him in a position where if he slowed her down, the summon would just continue attacking him and vice versa.
@@sunburn8273 its obvious at first 2 minutes they have the upper hand with experience, but their Teamwork is abysmally low. Ace ops no longer have the cooperation on each team member. They all work for themselves and with themselves
@@TokinoSora10thApostle Yeah that's why I'm saying they were dumbed down. Aren't they the top soldiers in Iron Wood's army? Dont they fight Grimm in life or death situations on a daily basis working together as a team? I find it hard to believe a team of that caliber would be so flustered by team RWBY as to not come up with a single good plan. Which is why I say RWBY didnt outsmart the Ace Ops as much as they beat the Ace Ops for being retarded.
@@sunburn8273 idk man, weiss semblance is really really powerful and right now she seems how to properly use it. Yang always has been good at fighting and now that she can control her temper it has been shown how tactical she really is. Besides that she can tank alot. Blake may not be as strong but she did have alot of experience. Being with the white fang and all. But since she works really well with yang I think it helped boost them in their 2v2. Ruby actually kinda lost. Or well, she was getting owned but got lucky. I would say out of all of these characters. Yang and weiss are at the top. Then comes the aceops without the faunus. I personally think Blake is the stronger the stronger faunus because she is really clever with her semblance. Being able to counter his semblance. And I'm not sure where to put Ruby.
After Lionheart betrayed them, I feel that RWBY was preparing to fight nearly everyone they came across. I don't think Marrow could freeze Ruby in time and all Ruby would have to do is knock into Marrow to release the rest of the team, which nobody on Ace Ops could stop and would heavily lower Marrow's aura while overall accomplishing very little.
3:43 I find it hilarious that she went into launcher mode as a last resort, Yang ponders the possibility, and then straight up goes "Nah, you won't" and proves herself right.
@@roosiniimiamiciii6666 Sheesh you sound like my mother lol. But jokes aside I can't help it's true. Especially due to the utterly ridiculous lengths they go to in order to explain _why_ the ace ops lost despite having been a team a hell of a lot longer, have been huntsmen and huntresses for a hell of a lot longer, weren't all immediately hit with marrow's semblance from the damn jump freezing them all, should I keep going?
@@wholesome_masochist4113 They lost because even though they've been a team for a lot longer, they aren't actually operating as a team in this fight. Team RWBY deliberately splits them off into one-on-one/two-on-two fights because they can't beat them in a straight fight. The Ace Ops are also still reeling from Clover's death, which happened within 24 hours of this fight. Characters making bad decisions doesn't mean it's bad writing, it means they're acting/reacting according to their characterization. Half the Ace Ops don't want to be fighting at all!
@@tessgray678 Nah, he can use it to many people ,but the people must be staying together in his view of vision. Watch back at episode 5 or 6 when the election goes down
Harriet: "We're the best huntmen in Atlas." Ruby: "You were, then you trained -" Marron: "STAY!" *Team RWBY freezes* Harriet: "Good job, Marron." Marron: "Thanks. They were all huddled together and it was the perfect opportunity to capture them."
That's not how Marrow's semblance works. He can essentially only freeze the one thing he's pointing at. Otherwise he would have been able to freeze both Weiss and Arma Gigas at the same time and easily apprehend her.
Marrow was hesitant and highly against fighting them. He knew it would be better if they manage to make RWBY surrender peacefully. By the time RWBY had established that they weren't going down without a fight, and Marrow had made his mind to fight them, Ruby already flew away and WBY have started splitting up. Besides, Weiss can counter Marrow's ability with time dilation and propulsion glyphs. Even if Weiss is frozen, it has been shown that the effects of her semblance have a sentience of their own. So if Weiss is frozen, she can still move around by conjuring a glyph on her feet that will throw her around.
You are right. They always have to complain and cry when things don't go their way. I prefer to watch the show and enjoy it myself and not get involved in crazy drama that is pointless.
@@joaocbcneto Unecessary character trailers that revealed nothing new about the characters. Even without the Weiss short we already knew that Weiss was training to get away from her father and fight in Beacon Academy. Without the Yang short we already knew Yang cares about Ruby. All the Ilia backstory in the Blake short was also revealed in the V5 itself. The only good thing we got out of the shorts was the entertaining fights, with budget which could've been used to make the fights in the Battle of Haven instead which would've been a crazier ride anyways
Sadly, the fight took too long, you could tell it sucked the creative juices out of CRWBY, not to mention how long it would've taken to hand animate 3/4 episodes of fights
Reminds me of Rvb when Locus and the Counselor talked. “They had each other. They had what our agents never fully achieved, complete and total faith in one another.”
@@bubbajoe117 most likely. But I like to think she's more in control of her power so she can do quick burst. In the past volumes it seemed like Yang to take more of a beating before releasing her semblance. But I could just be overanalyzing
Everyone's faces at 2:51 when they all realize this shit is really happening. The surprise and heart break in the Ace Corps members eyes. Like they all truly cared for RWBY.
I don't think it was really heart break or caring (except for Marrow), I think it was fear. They were THE Ace Ops, the best fighters in Atlas, undefeatedable. But that was the moment they realised they could actually lose, the moment they realised their victory was not assured because of who they are, and it scared the hell out of them, and just straight up stunned them. That's just my take tho
I enjoy how this fight shows Ruby as a genius (so Doctor Oobleck was right, hey). She split Harriet from the group, so cutting off the chain of command. The rest of RWBY also use a lot of ways to get in their heads and show how much of a team they are compared to Ace Ops, which is revealed during the current volume.
No it's just bad writing. Military professionals (the best in Atlas) in that world's best military lost to children. Who at this point are calling each other out on their hypocritical BS.
@@goddessrick8734 "Children" that have seen many people die, been betrayed multiple times, lost everything they had and had to fight to get to Atlas. Against the best in Atlas, all hand picked by someone, taught how to do their moves every step of the way, taught to never question and never get out of the game plan, who each are incapable of teamwork because the only thing making them a "team" is the fact they're in the same squadron. My apologies, but no, I can buy the "children" winning this one. If you don't, that's your thing, but the only thing you have stated is that they're the cream of the crop in the military... which doesn't mean much against being an actual team.
@@goddessrick8734 There's a thing called team work. Which is how Yang and Blake won, Marrow was holding back and Ruby didn't even beat Harriet alone sooo...
@@goddessrick8734 There have been a lot of child war lords and stuff in history. Alexander the great was younger then blake. So a group of skilled teenagers could in theory be powerful.
To those confused why Marrow didn’t just freeze all of them, his semblance seems to be directional, probably something to do with eyesight. If he’s not looking at you, he can’t freeze you. As for why he didn’t freeze the team at the very beginning, before the fighting even started, he was clearly the Ace Op most reluctant on fighting in the first place, and was trying to the end to solve the issue diplomatically. By the time Marrow knew that talking wasn’t going to work, RWBY was already starting to Divide and Conquer.
@@toxikyle5419 I'm pretty he froze the entire room of people during the rally when Tyrian attacked but iirc that was him pushing his absolute limit and tired him significantly
@@toxikyle5419 he can freeze multiple people as long as they're in his line of sight, Weiss and her knight were in different directions when he froze her knight he took his eyes off her
3:44 I LOVE this part. Old Yang would've continued going for the head. Current Yang is both powerful AND tactical, going for Elm's weakness instead of simply brute force.
Agreed. I also like how Yang's gotten better at using and controlling her semblance. I still remember when she would take hits to activate her semblance.
@@itserenyeager1348 Yes, but as the original comment stated, she's more tactical about it now. Yang actually takes a moment now to assess the situation before diving into battle.
this was probably unintentional, but using a semblance over and over takes away aura right? i think thats how harriet got taken down so quickly, she repeatedly kept using her semblance and right when she was near empty weiss depleted the rest with her attack. in other words, as taiyang said, you cant allow yourself to depend on your semblance
I like this moment at 2:48 a LOT. Just generally a really good shot for “setting stakes” because it slows down the fight and you get everyone’s reactions to it. It sets the tone midway, because in the beginning, both teams play around the idea of simply arresting each other or restrictions via cuffs. So during that time, they’re not pulling huge power moves or finishers because they’re just wearing each other down. THEN THIS HAPPENS, with a perfect musical queue. Now both teams know that this isn’t going to end with one side comically tied to a pillar like in superhero comics. You get up, you fight, or you get KNOCKED OUT. I like the escalation and the story telling involved a lot, even if I haven’t watched past like V4. It’s good stuff.
That's one part, but I also think it's shock at how the tides turned. Ace ops were the best huntsmen in Atlas, they underestimated Team RWBY the whole way and figured they were obviously superior. Then all of the sudden one of them is out for the count and they're at a numbers disadvantage. The vocals kicking in really sells the "oh shit" moment Ace Ops are facing, they're realizing all at once that they actually might just lose this fight.
Don't know about you guys, but I think Monty would give this fight scene a thumbs up. Still not at his level yet I think, but definitely getting there.
I'm starting to lose any sense for what people consider to be "Monty level." I'm no expert in the field but I enjoyed this fight's thematic elements more than just about any fight Monty did in the earlier Volumes. He's great on the mechanical side of things - but what fights of his from RWBY were truly memorable? Pyrrha fighting CRDL (which meant basically nothing plot-wise), RWBY fighting their first Nevermore, the first couple of trailers, Neo fighting Yang, Torchwick holding off Sun and Blake sure. Neo fighting Cinder, this, and Qrow fighting Tyrian and Clover were great on their own and more important to the plot.
Can we talk about the use of red in this fight? RWBY symbolism has made it clear that red is the color most associated with choice and life. Most of the most choice defined battles (like this one!) have heavy red lightening as opposed to fights like winter & penny vs cinder or clover vs qrow vs Tyrian? Where the lighting is mostly bleak and lacking in any red or warm colors period. It shows how much choice or freedom to choose characters involved actually have. Qrow has a lot of red in his clothes showing that despite the setting? He’s free to make his choices. He constantly brings that up especially with Clover. I just love how much the artists pact into the visuals and symbolism. Though I wanna make it clear that while yes, the ace ops have red in their outfits or how penny had red-hair? The choices the make are still symbolized in it. Harriet and elm are chooseing to basically kill them while marrow and vine are choosing to be peaceful. Same with clover. He has a choice to think for himself but he chose blind obedience. I find it ironic that while tryian has no red in his design at all? His choices are clear. Just something I noticed.
Everything in this fight was stacked against Ace Ops and RWBY win smartly. Marrow didn't use his semblance because he was hesitant and highly against fighting them. He knew it would be better if they manage to make RWBY surrender peacefully. By the time RWBY had established that they weren't going down without a fight, and Marrow had made his mind to fight them, Ruby already flew away and WBY have started splitting up. Besides, Weiss can counter Marrow's ability with time dilation and propulsion glyphs. Even if Weiss is frozen, it has been shown that the effects of her semblance have a sentience of their own. So if Weiss is frozen, she can still move around by conjuring a glyph on her feet that will throw her around. The fight against Elm and Vine is a case of "field experience beats regular academy training." RWBY have been going on vigilante missions against Torchwick early into their careers. Meanwhile Ace Ops are just academy graduates who go through regular sparring against other rookie students and regular grimm extermination missions against grimm they learn in school. Meanwhile RWBY have learned to fight grimm they haven't learned in school, like the Geist, the lancers, and the sea wyvern, early in V4. Because of this field experience as well as their strong bonds of friendship, they know each other well and exhibit synergy. In the fight against the Geist, the geist was an opponent that obviously requires the efforts of a team. They even had to call each other to execute team attacks and we're reliant on Clover's orders. Meanwhile Blake and Yang knows each other very well and it only takes them a nod and a smile to execute a team attack naturally. They also know how to employ team attacks even in fights against human opponents where the importance of teamwork is less obvious. Elm and Vine however, thought they were naturally superior against Blake and Yang, and thought they could take them on one on one. Ruby knew her team would lose if Harriet teams up with the other ace ops. So she taunts Harriet by telling her that RWBY is better than Ace Ops and lures her away. Harriet should know that Ruby would never leave her friends behind and should've let her run off while she helps the other ace ops win their fights. Instead, she falls prey to her pride and instead goes after the very person who actually has chance of outrunning her, with the intent to prove that she was the better one.
Finally! The first comment I’ve seen that gives a reason as to why RWBY got the win. I mainly just see people angry over the fact that “RWBY won because of plot” or “How did four newly made huntsman beat the best huntsman in Atlas?” I personally don’t like to think that deep and just enjoy the fight.
"Besides, Weiss can counter Marrow's ability with time dilation" Yeah, obviously, because we actually saw her use it many times since its first iteration. Find the irony.
@@adrien4269 Just because she doesn't use it often doesn't erase it out of existence from Weiss' toolset. Blake used her ice clone in V5 and her fire clone in V7. Ruby only used fire and lightning ammunition in V4. Weiss only used plant dust in the White trailer. Winter only used ice dust in the Weiss short. Blake only used fire and ice ammunition in the fight against Ilia. Nora never used her special 'shoot five at the same time' grenade launcher mode that she used in V3. The last time Weiss used her hard light barriers was in the lancers fight. There are so many characters with plenty of abilities they don't use often. That doesn't mean they don't exist anymore.
@@maiseree1511 Plant dust ? Reviewed the fight and since he didn't had any plant based effect, I doubt you can call it this way. She didn't use hard light against the lancer. Because the particles of hard light contains hexagons. It was ethereal and therefore wind at best. And you're using multiple examples that are based not on people semblances but on the dust they're using. It's not the same at all. It's just Schnee Semblance contains a palette already diverse and that dime dilatation could already be a semblance on its own like we saw in V7 with Marrow. It's time dilatation in the same idea but the repository is different.
This is definetly one of my favorite fights in all RWBY! It's just so freaking cool! I specially love the part when the first of the Ace Ops go down and the situacion from there on out gets a "the hunstmen are now the prey"-felling.
How about we appreciate the lengths Weiss went to. She had deadly weapons all over the place, and purposely avoided using any of them as direct attacks. Instead of using all of those deadly giant ice spikes as attacks, she just used them as objects to impede his movement.
I think she was trying to exhaust her. She never takes a hit against her unless it's to aprehend her. She was smart by dragging her away from her team because Harriet could probably take out everyone of team RWBY except her. I think her weilding her scythe was meant to intimidate her.
What bothers me is that at no point does Ironwood realise that Salem, invulnerable BBEG, specifically target the insecurity of a 15/16 year old girl who ought to be no threat. Salem isn't impressed by him, but somehow regards Ruby as enough of a problem to respond directly to her? Maybe Oz was onto something...
That's kinda the point, yeah. Salem had been using Ironwood's fear and paranoia ever since and possibly even before his debut in Volume 2. She had Cinder fool him into bringing more Atlas troops and machines to Beacon, all the more for Roman to hack via Watts' virus, and frame Atlas for the destruction of the academy and Vale. This caused James's fear and paranoia to rise to new heights, resulting in the Dust embargo and the closing of Solitas's borders. Then came Salem's message and the fact that Yang and Blake went behind his back and told Robyn about the Amity Communications Tower. Despite this not even being that big a deal and Salem not actually being one step ahead of him (the chess piece was left behind to scare him), James's paranoia was just too great for him to think of this. That coupled with how he detested RWBY for going behind his back and lying about the Lamp of Knowledge lacking questions, and you could see why he wouldn't give two shits about a girl who's suffering from trauma. Ironwood was a mere pawn, just like the robots his kingdom built; Ruby was one of the players.
Maybe it has to do with Ironwood, every time he saw himself talking about Salem or related to the subject, he acted invaded by fear and paranoia, but Ruby did not hesitate for a second to challenge her, and in fact he had already ruined 2 of Salem's plans I believe that Oz, upon seeing Ruby, considered her an important ally in his endless war with Salem and would include her in his group as he did with Qrow or Summer, and possibly had to do with her ability to use that scythe at such a young age and of course for her silver eyes
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I love how Weiss' development here. In Volume 5, she's trying to bring her Pokemon knight without a distraction, now she's using her semblance creatively
Her whole fight was one big strategy!
"Pokemon Knight" dude, I absolutely love you.
Yes but the writers forgot she became a time lord in volume 3,I love Weiss but she got nerfed :(
@@sukaciwa5218 i think they sad that animate timedilation it's difficult in the new engine, that's why it just vanished, but i'm not really sure
@@luhribeiro7986 oh that's a shame tbh :( any news on volume 9?😭
6&7 were the comeback volumes in terms of fight choreography
I remember when Volume 3 came out and wondering what the choreography was gonna look like, then I saw SSSN vs NDGO. Sigh. I personally am really glad they've found their rhythm again.
You are completely right here, the start of volume 6 had amazing fight choreography and from there ironwood Vs watts was amazing they really did well with the fights
It’s the comeback of the entire show. I can’t wait for season 8
Jax Antilles that’s fight was bad ngl. But Pyrrha vs Cinder Yang vs Mercury, RWBY vs ABRN, Penny vs Pyrrha and RWBY vs FNKI were pretty good in my opinion
Oh no no.
Ruby actually did something smart here. She knew that Harriet was faster than the rest of RWBY and she must have realised that she (Harriet) couldn’t risk letting Ruby go since she’s too slippery. Because of this, Harriet had to follow her, resulting in a battle that singled out Harriet from the rest of the Ace Ops and would have lasted longer seeing as Harriet was somewhat faster than Ruby. This allowed the other fights to finish which also allowed the rest of RWBY to come to her aid.
Not only that but Ruby plays defensive, when they are alone in the big room Ruby is basically standing still while Harriet is running about. She was making her tired without Harriet even realising. Even before she sprints at Ruby and Weiss uses ice to block her, Harriet was panting showing that she was getting tired during the fight.
Ruby’s the leader for a reason. She can assess the situation at hand and make a good counterstroke plan to deal with the issue. She knew the Ace Ops are professional that use their semblances & abilities compliment each other and that Harriet’s was the most threatening therefore she enraged her and 1v1’d her so she wouldn’t take out any other members of team RWBY, who wouldn’t fair well against her speed other than Ruby.
well said guys
Ruby is faster than harriet.
grant langkamp From what I’ve seen, Ruby is no where NEAR Harriet in terms of speed. Again, just going off of what I’ve seen, Ruby clocks in at about 195 kilometres per hour. On the other hand, Harriet moves at speeds fast enough to not be seen and, in order to do that, you’d have to be moving at a speed of 38146 miles per hour. That’s 61390.036 kilometres per hour.
I Just Wanna Say The Homie Marrow Didnt Deserve Any Of This
He was a good boy and did his best to not harm anybody to arrest them, while the others were being really aggressive
That's because marrow is a good boi
@@MultiStormking he deserve a bone and belly rub lol.
I don't see why everyone judges this fight. To me, it seems like, although Ace Ops are far more experienced, they're pretty much just coworkers, so not having their good luck charm with them in addition to being at each other's necks the entire time during an emotional situation makes it very believable that they would lose this. I'd also like to point out that they mainly deal in Grimm hunting, so they're not really used to fighting opponents with the same level of intellect as them.
Exactly. They were at a disadvantage without Clover's Semblance or his leadership to coordinate them. A disadvantage Team RWBY didn't have when it came to their abilities to work together.
Thank you that's the thing I knew from the very beginning that Atlas is more militarized than anything sure from the beginning they had all advanced technology then any other place but still being militarize gives them a far worse problem they mindlessly follow orders without a second thought. Honestly Atlas Hunters and Huntresses shouldn't even be called that because they're more soldiers real Hunters can think for themselves and follow the code to protect people from the Grimm but Atlas Hunters always had a written agenda.
Atlas
"A good soldier always follows orders I have no choice"
Common sense
"You always have a choice"
Also everything about Rwby is amazing Monty Oum would be proud i think.
@@greendude7650 yeh I’ll give u that but some parts of the fight made no sense like when the girl with the hammer grabbed Blake that’s shouldve turned into a 3v4 after that anyway she literally stopped a mammoth with her hands she could squash a person like a grape bro
@@jjcameron0096 "hesitation towards comrades" soldier's do rely on each other and trust is very important but then again Ace Ops got an funny idea about "Friends" you ask me Atlas talks big but a lot good they did in the fall of Beacon Academy but Ironically they thought hey cold emotional less Robots would be a great army instead of people with humanity. Also I'm pretty sure regular soldiers don't count as hunters or Huntresses but they got them.
I love how when the ACE OPs see Vine go down, it seems like a HUGE crack forms in their confidence, and how they become even less composed and more distracted.
while RWBY becomes even more determined
@@maiseree1511 Yeah!
VRUH the choreography and the smooth animation. Monty would be proud.
All of CRWBY have really come around to Maya, what can they do once they know what to do. V6 was just a start.
Wh.... What choreography? Especially for Ruby! Didn't even see her use her weapon. Qrows fight had choreography though.
RaginDXDemon disappointed a little with how ruby and weiss fight turned out. But Blake and yang carried the whole package
@@crisisdude7439 Weiss was alright in this. I mean hey! First 1v1 fight that she didn't loose amiright? Ruby didn't really have a fight, it was more "catch me if you can!"
TheGaming Gallery What I wanted to see more : rwby pull stunts with her weapon to counter harriets fast movement, Weiss to use that time dial semblance, everyone else was ok
Vine and Marrow are so nice, they deserved better
Marrow is so out of place here in the ace ops, i remember him wagging his tail at jaune's coffee
Vine is kinda a tool.
@@animefan2454 He's a soldier. Is that a bad thing?
Marrow does get better in Volume 8. Vine, you just need to see the Volume 8 Finale.
RWBY Says “frick the police” for 4 mins and 19 secs
Weiss is 𝐟𝐢𝐧𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐲 not getting her ass handed to her every battle
You can tell that despite the ace ops being more skilled, team rwby knew what they were doing.
Ruby played with harriets emotions by saying “you were and then you trained us” and separated her by flying out of the room and getting Harriet to go after her. Harriet could have stayed in the room making it 4v3 for a few seconds which could have been enough time to detain Weiss Blake and yang. Then it’s 4v1 against ruby. That’s a stretch but other reasons are listed below
Yang played with elms emotions by saying “they’re just following orders” elm literally had Blake in her arms and could have tied her up but she instead threw Blake at the wall and went for yang
Yang and Blake knew that vine was going for capture and not aura break. They used this to their advantage by using yangs explosives and Blake’s shadow clones. They knew that vine would grab “Blake” instead of hit her so they had him grab an explosive shadow clone
Yang broke the floor to make elms semblance useless
Marrow didn’t even want to fight anyone he was definitely holding back against Weiss but I mean she was good too she did her own freezer burn and using her summoned knight to pretty much make marrows “stay” useless since he didn’t freeze them both at the same time
Ruby got Harriet so upset that she didn’t even notice her teammates get defeated except come and she also didn’t notice Weiss enter the room so she ran at ruby and Weiss made the wall which was honestly hilarious
Thanks for reading my essay
David Basa it’s crazy how many ppl lost their minds over this thinking it was bs when actual strategy was being used.
This makes so much sense
The Ace Ops might be a little bit more skilled than RWBY but RWBY was fighting as a team even while physically separated and were far more tactical. Meanwhile the Ace Ops were bickering and fighting against each other as much as they were team RWBY. And they didn't even try to handle RWBY tactically, instead they just paired up and tried to beat each member into submission. All of the major beats where RWBY gains ground are the result of either clever tactics, teamwork, or both. I still personally prefer Blake and Yang vs Adam because of the massive character development but this is one of the best fights in the show.
I appreciate your essay but I’m going to have to disagree. Ruby leaving the room tactically was a terrible idea. Had Harriet stayed her team would’ve been at a disadvantage and no leader would EVER intentionally disadvantage their team. The idea of Ruby using a scythe is badass until it comes time to fight someone. Ruby is TERRIBLE at hand to hand and its literally Hare’s specialty and we’ve seen how devastating a hit can be from her. So Harriet wins on paper and in practice and if you doubt that, even with handcuffs on she was offensively overwhelming Ruby.
Blake takes WAY too many direct hits from Elm for her aura not to break. Why slow down the impact when Elm caught her weapon and literally smashed her dozens of feet into the air if Blake is going to continue fighting like all of her ribs arent broken. Especially when one hit takes out both Vine AND Elm. And if you want to argue Yang’s semblance did most of the work on Elm, we see Yang take one hit. Just one.
Weiss is literally trying to kill Marrow. Ice shards sharp enough to penetrate the ground will definitely penetrate flesh and bone. Him and Harriet duck a swipe clearly aiming to decapitate them and then he dodges a vertical strike from a 20ft sword like come on guys? Aura or not Marrow is dead. And speaking of, we’ve seen Marrow Stay 3 Ace Ops at once all of which physically bigger and stronger than Blake, Weiss and Yang, long enough to LEISURELY detain them so Ruby leaving the room, again, terrible idea, terrible writing.
As far as emotional manipulation, why would Ruby try to appeal to Harriet if initially she wanted to rile her up to make her make mistakes? Vine is the clear choice to appeal to. And the way Ruby just throws Harriet on her face after the fight? Is that how you treat someone who trained you? Is that how we want our heroes to treat defeated former friends? Neither Yang nor Blake nor Weiss make any attempt to make peace. They simply write off the Ace Ops as soon as they aren’t of use.
Lastly, the cuffs dont stop semblances so IF they left with the Ace Ops and didn’t like what Ironwood was planning, Ruby can remove them at the most opportune time and they can leave.
@@icecold10001 There are a few things that have happened in the series that can properly explain a few of those:
For Ruby leaving the room, she knew that Harriet would HAVE to follow: if she didn't, then chances are Ruby could have escaped....and Harriet was the only one among the AceOps that could keep up and catch her. She knew she couldn't keep up with Harriet OR beat her, but after seeing Vine go down from Yang and Blake, she knew that it was only a matter of time before she got help....so it was a question of staying out of Harriet's immediate range, keep from being cuffed, and hold out until the cavalry arrived.
As for Blake and her endurance, from all the fighting she did in the past (especially against her crazy ex -totally saying he acted like that, I can't see it otherwise) her Aura probably grew a lot stronger and more durable to be able to tank hits such as that; we've seen how nimble Vine is, so his Aura was probably not used to taking hits (plus he uses his Semblance almost constantly, so that's constantly being eaten away as well even if just a bit); as for Elm, she definitely took a lot of hits, during the initial start when Yang forced her into the pavilion, strong or otherwise. There's also room to judge between the shifts in everyone's own fight.
Weiss's own Semblance allows her to use Dust for her attacks, mainly concentrated Dust: much stronger yet harder to control overall. Aura are able to handle the brunt of it, not to mention flat-out explosions to the face (as seen when Tyrian caught a bomb arrow in his teeth when Robyn shot it, and he remained fine because he still had some of his Aura left) so chances are it wouldn't have done as much damage as it probably would on someone without an Aura. I can't truly explain why Weiss chose to be so brutal, but as to why Marrow didn't try to use his Semblance on both is pretty simple: he can stop multiple people at once with his "Stay" (as shown when he stops a massive crowd a while back) but ONLY if he's able to face in their direction; he was being attacked at multiple sides, Weiss with her glyphs on one, and her guardian by another. She's seen it in action, so she had to make sure he had a contingency in case he started using it, otherwise she was going to be caught herself.
I can't truly say much else for the other things you mentioned, however for the ones you have, these are my argument. I won't say if it's true or not, that's just my own theory behind it. Though I will say, having read your own theories, it gave rise to mine so thank you for the chance to think on something like this~
Guys guys let's not forget
1. Team RWBY has had to deal with shit like Cinder right from when they were still at school. Circumstances forced them to run the learning curve much faster than usual. They are miles ahead of other people with the same amount of time of experience.
2. Ace Ops described themselves as:
a. Not needing to think about their liabilities since the team was build like a chain to offset each other's weaknesses. There was a ring missing in that chain right here.
b. Too ready to obey orders. You'd think that makes them too dependant on command, which sucks if your leader is absent.
3. They were also not in an agreement on how to proceed with the situation (they probably assumed team RWBY wouldn't dare confront them and didn't have time to think it through and had to play it by ear).
4. They are the protagnists :>D
ThePallasAthene That and as ruby said. The Ace ops trained them to be stronger than ever.
A chain is as strong as its weakest link
The part i love the most is rwby saying "you were, and then you trained us" and then when they all looked SHOCKED that team rwby knocked one of theirs out. I had goosebumps!!!!
The Ace Ops career was ENDED the moment Ruby said that
@@enter-rv3ng3d Also before the training ark they were not that much weaker. They lacked formal tactical training but they most likely had more real world combat experience
@@evandugas7888 You're not wrong there
@@enter-rv3ng3d Which literally made no sense. This is supposed to be the strongest team in Atlas, which is the most experienced city in Remnant in terms of combat wise. Meaning, RWBY being able to become stronger than them that fast makes legitimately no sense.
@@someoneodd3329 It wasn't necessarily just about team RWBY being stronger. As pointed out in the next volume and implied here, the ace ops feelings about each other and conflicted feelings lead them to not work together or really be at their best fighting condition. The teamwork present during their first fight isn't present here.
The moment the music kicked in was the moment the Ace Ops lost a little of their confidence to win this fight.
I just realized Marrow is a dog and his semblance is telling other people to stay. Plus, marrow is what you find inside of bones which is what dogs are associated with.
Also the fact that his Boomerang comes back to him kind of reminds you of throwing a frisbee and your dog bringing it back doesn’t it? XD
I see a lot of people saying "Team RWBY should've done this or, all yang did was dodge or Ruby needs to train more." you all seem to forget that Ruby, Weiss, Blake and yang were not aiming to kill but subdue them. These are not Salem's henchmen or Grimm these are Military trained officers. After binge watching this series again due to quarantine. I compared this to other fights and I truly think that everyone *including* yang was holding back.
I wholeheartedly agree. If you pay attention, Ruby doesn't take a swing back a Harriet the whole fight. And we know that she's fast enough to keep up and fight back.
johnnydarkfall26 I know what you mean but at the same time I find it funny how she literally swung at the back of her head when Harriet got Bola’d
So no one here is gonna mention that line Ruby said before the fight?
What you know I thought I was the only one
The crazy thing is she said this after suffering one of the nastiest yo mama jokes of all time.
Harriet: “You really think you’re going to stop us? We’re the best huntsmen in Atlas.”
Ruby: “You were. But then you trained us.”
Heh. Solid burn!
After that roast,I don't know why she tried to talk them down at 0:26.And she didn't actually defeat any of them.
@@danzack900 she was holding back. You know she could never hurt those she considers friends/allies
Ngl, Marrows Semblance is kinda really cool. Just being able to command someone to "STAY", must be pretty effective in a 1v1. Plus, hes a dog boy, so the scheme works lol
His semblance isn't really good 1v1. It looks like he can't move when he's using it, so the two would just stay there until Marrow stops.
@@richeetah5221 I think he can move
Team RWBY may not be stronger than the Ace Ops but they are smarter:
Ruby- used her speed to keep Harriet away from the others
Weiss- used her summon to attack Marrow from 2 directions so he couldn't stay them both
Blake and Yang: had teamwork something that Vine and Elm didnt have
Exactly! Taiyang taught them well. It doesn’t matter how strong an opponent is. If you play it smart you can usually beat them
Tones of cons on the Ace Ops side. Marrow and Vine being the less aggressive/wanting to harm Team RWBY. As Elm and Harriet were fighting with lethal intent.
They're brilliant Hunters in their own right. But as a team, and without Clover there to properly lead them, they suck at working together.
Another perfect comment
It's clear from the fight's choreography that the Ace-Ops are still massively stronger than team RWBY and that team RWBY needed to use strategy and teamwork to beat them - RWBY is full of moments like this when people use strategy and team work to to beat enemies much stronger than they are. My one regret is that we didn't get to see Vine's weapon.
Doesn't he like, fight with his semblance?
@@alvaroespinosa2690 he does. But we know for a fact he also has a weapon.
@@Ponera-Sama Oh, that Beyblade Chakram thingy in his back?
@@alvaroespinosa2690 yes
@Harris Andon Fu Ruby's aura would not be depleted because Harriet prevented her from using her semblance by outrunning her. Besides that, she didn't really inflict a lot of damage.
Unpopular opinion but if you pay close attention to the scene at the end where Harriet prepares to make her final charge, you can see that Ruby had fully prepared her scythe and was ready to take it head on. I point that out because, if you think of it one way, Weiss may have saved Harriet with her ice wall instead of Ruby. The force of Harriet's charge, plus the positioning of Ruby's scythe (and possible gunshot-enhanced force of her swing) could of equalled this unlucky rabbit getting accidentally bisected.
Imo I don't think she can bisect harriet when her aura is up, it will 1 shot her and takes away her aura if her scythe lands a blow on her, that's it. Weiss was just returning ruby a favor from the fight earlier when ruby saved Weiss from marrow's weapon.
Ok I can’t help but say how unfair the fandom is being. I see nothing about how drastically the choreography has improved or any actual positive criticism where it’s due. Yes, some of these things are valid complaints and it comes from a place of love for Rwby but it seems like y’all are going to comment to shit on the more trivial things. Compared to when Monty worked on it production value did decrease, but why is no one pointing out how now that the writers have gotten themselves together and have overall IMPROVED RWBY from even volumes 1-3? I am completely disappointed with a majority of the fandom looking for every reason to hate RWBY while still coming back to rinse and repeat.
Thanx 4 the strong opinion thats why im glad I'm not part of this fandom
Lets be honest Blake and Yang probably have the best teamwork in the entire series. They always know what the other is thinking without saying a word.
I agree that is how plans *totally* work
So much that it’s annoying
But they hardly spent anytime together in the first two volumes than Blake ran away soooo how exactly
@@TheGamingGatito Ahh yes lets have everyone be best buds in the first volume episode 1 cause that'll help with character development and future arcs.
@@MilkyaNdPuddlez are you agreeing with them or spiting them?
That moment when the music revs itself up and goes silent just before Ruby says “then you trained us.”
Just... daaaaaayum!!!
Finally, Weiss remembers how to fight without spamming summoning.
@@kalentinesday
Nope
During the fight with weise and renal all she did was summon never using her glyphs. SHE CAN USE TIME MANIPULATION, WHY IS SHE SUMMONING!?
The way yang slammed that guy into the ground was exquisite
Am I the only one who felt bad for Marrow? He's the only one who didn't want to fight
Yeah... He wanted to spare them so badly
What’s interesting is that you can kind of see that with his semblance. His whole power looks like he’s literally trying to exert his authority and force a nonviolent resolution
Pretty sure Vine didn’t want to fight that much either
If he was able to freeze them all at once when he had the chance
Melral CT-3718 but he wanted to see if he could rationalize with them. It was obvious what the answer was to him but it was too late and the girls were scattered.
I once thought the fight was bullshit, but upon looking over Volume 7 again this was actually well thought out. The battle wasn't a matter of plot armor or experience, I believe it was skill sets. Let's break it down.
Ruby vs. Harriet:
In terms of speed, they're evenly matched. However, Ruby is a mid-to-long range fighter and their battle was in a closed area. She may have received some hand-to-hand combat training but she's peanuts in comparison to Harriet and her silver eyes only work on Grimm. Harriet actually had an advantage over Ruby, so Harriet would be the clear winner. However, the fight also shows that Ruby hadn't attempted an attack on Harriet besides immobilizing her arms. Given that Harriet has a hot temper and a competitive streak, she wore herself out trying to beat down Ruby. If it wasn't for Weiss, Ruby would've exhausted Harriet instead.
Weiss vs. Marrow:
...Not really much to say about this. It was pretty one-sided. Marrow didn't have the versatile arsenal Weiss had, and his Time Stop could only work on one opponent each, and the Arma Gigas could clearly move even if Weiss had been frozen. Let's remember that Marrow usually needs one of his teammates to follow up on his Time Stop.
Yang & Blake vs. Vine and Elm:
This one's a tad bit trickier. Taking a look at Vine, he's more of a support teammate and he was clearly backing up Elm and keeping distance. Elm's a tank. Can dish out just as much as she can take, but her semblance suggests that she acts as the immovable object, stand her ground. However, without that ground - as presented in the fight - she's vulnerable, and Vine can only do so much damage on his own.
Now Yang, on the other hand, is both heavy-hitting, fast and is definitely the better hand-to-hand expert than her opponents. With the addition of the new-found control of her semblance, she's the most threatening combatant. Blake's stance in the fight is similar to Vine as a support, but as a former-White Fang member, she's second to Weiss in agility (granted Weiss hasn't shown that agility in a while).
Now teamwork... Vine and Elm should definitely be superior in teamwork, but the relationship between Yang and Blake doesn't mean they're better either. Honestly, this part came to chance. But when Vine was taken out, Elm was doomed to fail.
Now I'm gonna quote something from Clover. "Ace-Ops are handpicked to perfectly complement one another. So we can focus on our assets and leave our liabilities behind."
This suggests that the Ace-Ops are superior as a TEAM. For example, Marrow needs someone (Harriet) to follow up with his semblance. Elm temporarily stabilizes herself to take the hits while another attack.
Meaning that if Harriet hadn't rushed off to battle Ruby alone, and if Vine and Elm didn't leave Marrow behind with Weiss. Their chances of victory would've been higher because (SPOILERS) during the Penny vs. Ace-Ops fight, they did much better than against RWBY. Albeit Penny wasn't fully realized Maiden, but Penny on her own is still a powerhouse, and Marrow did state that they were holding back before - and by that he means he and Vine held back while Elm was being emotional and Harriet being too prideful.
So to summarise: By Ruby leading Harriet away from her team, the Ace-Ops dynamic actually fell apart. That's actually some good battle prowess from Little Red.
A minor comment, Marrow has actually demonstrated the use of his semblance on more than one target (in the aftermath of the election attack). In this case however, he didn't manage to have on sight both targets at the same time. Additionaly, I appreaciated the use of Mounty signature mark, the air / moon shot with Yang at 2:43. Definetly better than the cheap feeling of the battle with Raven in the previous volume
Well said :D i enjoy reading this stuff
Very well explained, Ace OPs didn't act like a team and for me, that was enough to seal their fate. I don't care who you are or what your semblance is, if you let your emotions get the best of you and stop thinking, you're about to hold a very big L.
While I do agree with most of what you said, I still believe Team RWBY won on a bit of plot armor... At the end of the day Ace-Ops are highly trained and highly experienced Huntsman... Team RWBY are skillful and talented, but they are still kids. They don't have the education ( because they're still technically first years), nor the years of training & battle experience to match up against adults that are considered elite powerhouse Spec Ops fighters.
It's still plot armor because we're talking about kids that have only trained with Ace-Ops for a couple of weeks and were only given the title of Huntsman because of their bravery at the fall of Beacon, and Ironwood had a soft spot for them as Ozpin's students...
In reality, they should have stood NO chance, whether Ace-Ops were separated or not... And while Team RWBY was giving it their all, I do truly believe Marrow when he said they were holding back because they weren't really trying to hurt them. You can tell that by how they were communicating with each other trying to convince themselves to go harder.
@@RobotRebelCinema Yeah, at this point they suffer from the bad writing more than their circumstances. Like Vexed Viewer said, if someone is holding back and starts losing... Why keep holding back?
People keep comparing "Power Levels", but that's only one of many factors in a fight. You don't mesure how a fight would go just by seing how powerful one character is over another. Its about environment use, strategies and flexibility in alternating between them. Remember how they watched the Ace Ops fight in the beggining of the season? how they applied a complicated strategy to defeat the geist without ever talking to each other? That's the same Blake does with Yang in this fight: They keep breaking the ground as soon as they notice that Elm would not be able to use her semblance effectively with a broken ground. Also, some of the Ace Ops hesitated a LOT during this fight because of their time spent together, or simple because they tought the kids where still as weak as they were when they reached Atlas.
So...what your saying is, bonds beat earned experience whenever the situation calls for it.
So me and my friends (who have basic understanding of hand to hand combat) can beat the crap outta some trained soldiers if we train for a few months and catch them of guard? It’s that friggin simple?! Why did no one tell me?!
Jokes aside, the AceOps where written to lose this fight. If they applied what they did to the Geist to their fight with team RW/BY, they would of at least KO’D one of them. But no, a group of trained hunters got their asses handed to them by a group of emotionally inept teenagers.
I’ve seen ALL the excuses:
The AceOps didn’t have Clover their leader and“lucky charm”.
The AceOps where conflicted.
The AceOps underestimated Team RW/BY.
The AceOps where emotionally compromised.
Soldiers in real life are trained from boot camp/basic training to withstand physical, mental and emotion strain in order to complete their tour. Specialist teams, like the AceOps, are made up of the best in their field. Members of these groups are expected to exercise initiative, self-reliance, maturity and resourcefulness.
Yet, instead we see a team that’s supposed to be the “best of the best” in Atlas become an easily riled up and easily beatable group of noobs that Team RW/BY can smack around after an undefined amount of training.
HELL! Hazel, Emerald, Mercury and that Vernal put up a better fight than the AceOps!
Wins are earned through changes of character and the development and honing of skill. Team RW/BY haven’t changed.
Weiss still uses her summons. No glyphs.
Yang still sticks wit Blake. (Why no one has abused this team up to their advantage is beyond me)
Ruby still sucks at hand-to-hand combat.
I agree that power isn’t everything and MANY factors and variables can influence a fight or combat situation, which can turn tides in the favor of a less experienced or weaker character.
But THIS ain’t it chief.
This was minor character degradation, that was written in favor of Team RW/BY.
@@mitchellmeyer5303 i read that first line then I stopped reading because not once did op ever imply that. You know what they say if the first line of an essay is flat out wrong then the rest will be as well.
True, even in games the strongest weapon doesn't always mean you'll win. You have to have the right mouth of power to use it, the right amount of strategy. People who complain about failing a fight are the ones who in majority of games just run in guns blazing. Then get all pissy and claim it's 'too hard'. Actually, if you'd sit back and plan it'd work.
Games like Elder Scrolls Online or Octopath Traveler have you level up based upon dungeon, when you go in without a plan or under leveled of course you're going to get your ass handed to you.
Same goes for World of Tanks, they are called Strategy Games for a fucking reason. The strongest doesn't always mean you will win! I hate people who complain about this, just shows how little they know about the world.
Oscar A Yep, cus that one line invalidates literally everything else. It was a joke.
3:35 Ruby landed a punch and it actually did something! :D
Thomas Garcia woah
Ruby probably understood that her weapon was mainly for killing and that's why she just tried to run instead of attack harriet
Crumbs of Chip I feel like Ruby as a mixed long-distance and melee fighter could and SHOULD have done more. Crescent Rose as a scythe is a weapon best utilized in an up-close fight, while the sniper rifle aspect is obviously better at a significant distance. We didn’t really see either aspect except the pretty but massively superficial twirl at the beginning and the completely useless rounds fired at Harriet early on.
I found it very odd and immensely dissatisfying that Ruby’s opponent had to be stopped by Weiss when everyone else handled their opponent on their own. Blake and Yang worked together, so I am counting those as 2v2. Other Ruby blocking one oversized boomerang throw from Marrick, Weiss handled him, and then ended Harriet’s charge.
I agree, rubys scythe would probably kill harriot, who carries no weapon, with one or two hits. Also Ruby was against fighting the Ace ops and wanted to work together to defeat Salem.
But I do feel she could of done more in the fight.
Weiss finally got a win, and even kill-steal Ruby's fight
That's 2 W in a 1 episode
Astrid Parungao three when you count Weiss as a W herself! 😜😎
Weiss was out for blood holy shit
THANK YOU! Against Marrow of all people. She’s not demonized because her hits didnt land but still Marrow was in there fighting for his life. Also after Ruby left the room he could’ve Stayed the other 3 no problem we’ve seen him do it. I love this show been here since the Red trailer blew my mind years ago but the dip in quality is depressing.
@@icecold10001 Finally someone in this comment section who points out the flaws instead of ignoring them.
Hmmm.. I've seen a lot of complaints lately on this fight, about how Team RWBY was able to beat Ace Ops. The thing though, is, it's only natural that this is the outcome if you consider these following points:
1.) Bad Match-ups for the Ace Ops -- If you consider the match-ups in this fight, you'll quickly notice that Team RWBY chose their opponents such that they were the best counters against the respective Ace Op. Ruby took Harriet because she could counter her speed semblance; Weiss took Marrow because using her summoning, she can counter his semblance; and lastly Blake and Yang have the best teamwork against Elm and Vine.
2.) Divided -- Clover was their leader and one of the most important parts of the group. The Ace Ops were specially picked to work with each other, right? In this current scenario, not only were each members separated, limiting their teamwork (which is their greatest asset, mind you) but their leader was nowhere to be found. Of course they're not gonna be as effective. Not only that but a lot of the Ace Ops had differing opinions on what to do -- Harriet and Elm are angry and want to fight back but Marrow and Vine both want to take a more peaceful route. They were clearly not united.
3.) Experience -- Yes, Ace Ops have been professional huntsmen longer but Team RWBY have been basically the same level as a normal huntsman for a long time already, maybe all the way back to V4/5. Not to mention they also have a lot of experience with different fighters, semblances, and environments that they are able to adapt quicker to different circumstances as a result of traveling through 2 separate continents until reaching Atlas while Ace Ops have just kinda been stuck in Atlas for a long time. I don't know if RWBY has more experience per se, but they have at least slightly less experience than Ace Ops.
Also it's not like RWBY was still vastly stronger against Ace Ops. Ruby clearly never had the advantage in the fight. Sure, she was able to handicap Harriet but she was still on the defensive for a vast majority of the fight until Weiss showed up. For the Weiss fight, her semblance was just the perfect counter for Marrow's so it makes a lot of sense she was able to beat him, plus the fact that Marrow wasn't really planning to actually "beat" her, he was holding back.
Lastly, if we were to analyze the BY vs EV fight, Blake and Yang were clearly disadvantaged in the beginning. They were only able to really fight back when they first focused on Vine, 2v1ing him. They knew that he was more for peace, so he would be more likely to restrain than actually hurt -- this, of course, was used by BY to trick Vine and blow his face up. After that it was a 2v1 against Elm, and with Elm's semblance being effectively nullified by the broken floor, BY had a much easier time dealing with her.
I.... Thank you
Thank you
Thank you
I think ruby never fought back intentionally because her weapon was mainly for killing since it could be a scythe and be pushed back to slice someone up with a bang so probably just holding back. My opinion
@@data6874 Maybe, yeah. I think it's more that her scythe is way too big and heavy that it's too slow to actually be effective against someone as quick as Harriet
And people say team RWBY hasn’t grown. HA! Plus if you factor in qrow? They’ve had to constantly work against the odds with only the rare occasions things worked out. The ace ops, particularly Clover? They don’t have that
I like how Weiss learned to do the Freezerburn move by herself to buy her time to summon armour gigas and prevent Marrow from using his line-of-sight semblance to stop her. She's clearly learned from Vernal
Also Yang using taunts to get under Elm's skin and make her drop Blake. She's clearly learned from Neon!
Well, she has to do it by herself since Yang only cares about Blake in the group lmfao
@@ArdiinazumaSwek Ay lmao, true
@@christianvannucci6455 Sadly true. I want to see Yang experiment with more creative team-ups. Imagine performing an iceflower type of attack with Weiss. Yang shoots a fireball through Weiss' flame glyph, and her projectile scatters into multiple blasts that are double times explosive because they are amplified by Weiss' fire dust. Or imagine Yang doing a team attack similar to the one Ruby and nora did back in V4 against the geist where Ruby carried Nora in her petal flight for a momentum- driven hammer blast. Just imagine Ruby carrying Yang in her flight, then whe she flies straight towards Harriet she throws a surprise Yang out of her rose petal cape, and Yang punches Harriet hard. Just imagine Blake amplified by Weiss' time dilation. Elm and Vine won't be ready for a quick clone-spamming strike raid spamming Blake, combined with Weiss and her elemental dust assaults.
@@maiseree1511 The funny part, in the fight between RWBY and Torchwick's mech, we see all their team attacks (Which also became their ships name, see Iceflower, Bumblebee, Checkmate, Ladybug, etc), where Blake indeed was powered up by Weiss. The funny thing is, only Ruby and Yang didn't have a team attack, the sisters didn't have a team attack, the bloody half sisters.
And none of them are used now. I get they are an adaptable team, but sometimes it's just Weiss spamming summon and some spells as if she was a mage only, Blake and Yang only caring about eachother and Ruby lately has been the only one that isn't winning solo against anything but big grimms because silver eyes, and even those are almost a plot device, they suck or don't work until they need something to win something unwinnable.
We need more Yang and Ruby and Weiss not being as solo as she had been lately, where she is basically a two person team by this point, which is great because she's self reliant, but she needs a team. And I'd love to see Ruby and Weiss team up more, Weiss in the back not relying so much on just summons and using more time glyphs and buffs to Ruby or other to let them go ham.
I really would love to see a semblance user that inutilizes or steals semblances, because in Vol 4 Yang had that whole "You rely too much on your semblance" thing, which was stupid because her semblance is as last resort and situational as it gets, a powerup when harmed and in a pinch, compared to Weiss who doesn't ever use her rapier and spams glyphs, who should be tbe one who had been taught to rely less on semblances. Winter didn't rely as much on her semblance, for example, she uses her weapons more. Blake on the other hand has been using her semblance too defensively while she used to use it aggressively in a hit and run type of style, going in, back, in again, fake, dodge and reposition and so on.
I have high hopes, choreography and pacing have been getting better and we have been starting to see the development that was been hinted at since Vol 4 like Yang more strategic, Blake more team reliant after learning to trust, Weiss being stronger and self reliant, Ruby using and understanding her semblance better, etc.
@@christianvannucci6455 I think the whole 'too reliant on a semblance' thing made sense for Yang. Before she lost her am, every single fight she had was won by her temper tantrum semblance. The moment she saw Adam stab Blake, she let her emotions run wild and just assumed that her semblance can bear the damage Adam will dish only for him to take down her aura in one slice. Yang's semblance is great as a last resort thing and I think it's great that Yang can fight smartly without relying on a temper tantrum to power her up. Plus not using her semblance often adds the element of surprise.
I also think they're making up for the numerous times Weiss lost in the previous volumes during one-on-one fights by making her an independent self-reliant team of her own. Still though I think it would be great to see her give her teammates buffs here and then. And yes, I do agree that she needs to do some raw fencing more again. When she loses her aura in a fight she has to learn to defend herself with just her rapier.
And Blake still uses that agressive hit-and-run clone tactic. In Volume 6 she used it against Adam when they were fighting in front of the waterfall and Yang had not arrived yet. I think she used it defensively against the Ace Ops because she was still studying how they fight and thought it would be too risky to just run straight for them. Plus once again, there's the element of surprise
This was some of the best fight choreography the show has had in a while.
I swear maybe I'm biased but dam I thought this was a great fight showing off both the skills and limitations of both team RWBY and the Ace Ops. I really don't understand why Vol. 7 seems to have been getting so much hate, personally I thought it was great but again who am I to say.
matt dunn except Ruby didn’t show off. She was losing until she was able to snag Harriet’s cuffs, and even then Weiss intervened and cut off the charge. The other members of Team RWBY had great scenes. Ruby mostly used her semblance and was still at a disadvantage when Weiss intervened.
@@flayremoon I kind of interpreted it as Ruby not really wanting to fight them and also still shook over the news of her mother. Plus Harriet still does have more experience using her semblance than Ruby does.
Me either I think volume 7 was great too
Most of the hate probably comes from the Luck Charm fiasco. I'm still not sure if they intended Qrow and Clover to be a potential ship or not. I always saw them as friends but apparently people were really hurt that Clover died and want him to come back.
Honestly, Volume 7 is my favorite of all RWBY
The animation is getting better over time so the best animation is when yang activates her semblance
Yang was by far the mvp of this fight
Best fight of season 7 im sorry if anyone disagrees but we havent seen team rwby fight in unison like this since volume 3
I love how the speedster is beaten by running into a wall. That's a strategy Flash's villains should think of
Flash can vibrate through solid objects, so...
Nice!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Midsomnyx Then vibrate the wall as wall.
Your next line is "Big brain time"
They knew how broken Marrow was so that matched him up with the only person that could realistically beat him
2:50 Elm noticed the full power of the gays
2:54
And then they realized,
They dun goofed.
Lets be honest...THIS WAS TOTALLY EPIC!!!
Why are there so many comments trashing RWBY here? I mean Ace Ops could have win if their teamwork skills were in more harmony than team RWBY. Furthermore, remember guys, Clover wasn't with them, so they would be lack of luckiness. He already said "What would you guys do without me?". The point here of winning the fight was that RWBY's teamwork skill was better than Ace-ops'. (Sr English is my first language, I tried :'0)
That's my problem. Let's say RWBY has the skill of new Huntresses - the Aesops are ELITE in a kingdom where WINTER is there. Are they saying that Weiss > Winter? There's no way she's THAT skilled.
William Chuba Winter was pre-occupied. And yeah, the Ace Ops are an elite squad in Atlas, but Atlas is constantly seen, even by Weiss(who btw, still considers Atlas her home), as a kingdom filled with selfish douchebags. Yeah, the military training there is top notch, but their ability to work as a team isn’t. Even Ironwood, the top dog of the entire kingdom, turned his back on Team RWBY when there was signs of disloyalty, even if it ended up being for the better and he knew it. If the Ace Ops were able to coordinate better as a team and not bicker with each other, then yeah, they probably would’ve won. But they weren’t, and Team RWBY knew that and took advantage of it.
And that’s not even taking into consideration that they didn’t have Clover, their leader, to not only tip the odds in their favor(being a 5v4), but actually keep them in line.
@@williamchuba9397 We actually haven't seen them really fight recently. But I'd say Weiss may very well be able to beat Winter in a fight soon. She's been trained by her and Weiss has something Winter lacks; creativity.
@@MiriaJiyuu When has Weiss ever shown more creativity than Winter?
@@williamchuba9397 Scene from.... I think it's in a night off, she stops winters summon in it's tracks and then cuts out winters feet from under her using her little knight out of Winters line of sight is the first thing that came to mind.
Marrow: "I'm trying to arrest her not kill her."
Well, you should have thought about that while all 4 members of team RWBY we're in your line of sight. This man could have ended it before it began had he used his semblance then.
That why Harriet told Marrow to "cut the crap" she was referring to that.
You know that's very true if he hadn't hesitated since beginning it would have ended already, we've seen him told multiple entities to "stay" while they were all in his line of sight but he can't do it while in different directions as seen with fighting Weiss
That would require common sense. Can't have that in RWBY.
Harriet be like: *Why do I want friends?*
RWBY: *Because we would kick your asses*
I like how genuinely excited Yang and Blake are. Like they are a GREAT time and I am slightly concerned
It’s also slightly amusing how easily they could’ve arrested Blake, TWICE.
And if Harriet hadn’t sorta held the restraint up for that split second, she probably would’ve had a 50/50 chance of getting Ruby.
They could have gotten both of them if they hadn’t hesitated, or let there anger control them.
I love that Crescent Rose was detrimental to Ruby in this fight, she designed it to fight Grimm and Hare was way to fast for the reach of the scythe to be any use. To me it seemed that Ruby was waiting for one of her teammates to finish their fight to help her. She wasn’t on the offensive and kept trying to wait it out that’s why she led Hare on a chase. It doesn’t help that Hare was out for blood too.
Well, Ruby is a middle to long range fighter, she's fast but if the enemy gets too close, she can't do much except hit them with Crescent Rose's handle, which was the point. They even pointed it out on vol 5, she struggled with melee combat, after all
They need to make it so one of the “modifications” ironwoods mentioned earlier will allow crescent rose to detach and become two sickles. That way it can be used for close range combat and is a weapon in which Ruby is used to handling.
It's her semblance that greatly helped her here. Like Harriet said in Chapter 3, Ruby's semblance is unique from other speed semblances. Because it isn't a speed semblance at all. Her semblance is the ability to burst into petals. Her speed is just a byproduct of her mass becoming lighter. Because of this it's impossible to capture her since she could always dematerialize herself into petals out of any trap
@@08ChrisV I don't see how Crimson Rose could transform in two smaller sickles, but I wouldn't mind since it not only fits her weapon style, but it's also similar to Maria's weapon, so it would fit IF Maria took a more mentoring role regarding the whole silver eyes think, since she barely did anything and basically told Ruby that she can't teach her how to properly use silver eyes
To be fair, Crescent Rose should be a liability in general. It's an incredibly clumsy weapon that's more useful for its gun properties.
I love how this fight was able to showcase several traits of team RWBY as friends who through trials and hardship became a family, as opposed to the Ace Ops who are awesome fighters but are just in it for the job and the title. Basically, each mini-fight in that fight was won for a different reason:
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1. Weiss VS Marrow: This one is pretty clear. The differentiating trait was fighting spirit, which comes in part from knowing what you're fighting for and believing in it. Marrow wanted Weiss to come peacefully, and didn't use his semblence on her until the very last moment, at which point it was pretty much useless since he was flanked by the knight and could only STAY one target at a time. The reason, I believe, is that he didn't RLY believe in what he was fighting for, but rather just did as told. Weiss on the other hand knew exactly what she was fighting for, and therefore showed 0 restrain. Not the Adam Taurus kind - she did fight with self-control - but she basically tried to impale Marrow at one point.
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2. Ruby VS Harriet: I like to think of this one as "maturity". Ruby wasn't enraged at Harriet, because she understood where she was coming from, and therefore fought her carefully. Harriet on the other hand was so hateful and couldn't accept the idea of a kid disobeying her (disregarding the fact that Ruby isn't much of a kid at this point) that she just lost it, which gave the careful Ruby a chance to knock her out. She did get a bit of help from Weiss at the end, but I don't see how Ruby with Scythe would lose to hand-tied Harriet.
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3. Yang&Blake VS Elm&Vine: My favorite one, and it's about trust. You can call it "quality of relationship" but, well, trust is a big part of that. Yang and Blake knew how to fight together, they needed very little talking to understand each other, and their finishing move against Vine was a dangerous move that they carried out without talking at all. I mean, hell, Blake trusted Yang to implant her with a bunch of fucking bombs lmao. Meanwhile Elm and Vine were literally arguing while fighting, and didn't carry out any duo-attacks. This basically allowed Blake and Yang to pick out one at a time and beat them in a 1V2. This goes to show how the Ace Ops not being friends, but just collegues, is a huge weakness of them.
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Weiss finally got a victory after 7 seasons of learning slowly and facing many challenges, and Yang&Blake showed how far they've come in trusting each other since Volume 6. Adam was able to constantly divide them, but this time they were an inseperable duo and the Ace Ops didn't stand a chance.
Crisaor exactly. Not just plot armor but actual character differences in their fighting styles.
TOTALLY AGREE they won not because of plot or plot armor but because they didn't let thier anger blind them. They trusted each other and worked together.
They EARNED the win
Nah bad writing and plot armor. Why would the worlds best huntsmen team part of the best military lack the discipline to beat some kids quick and easy. Why did Harriet try to cuff RWBY when she had the advantage. Why didn't Marrow use his semblance on both targets. Peoples were forced to make bad decisions for plot like Qrow fighting with a serial killer.
@@goddessrick8734 ok SO much wrong there. Firstly they won because the Ace Ops didn't work together and communicate not because of plot armor and lack of discipline.
And the reason Qrow had to work with Tyrian was because he tried talking it out with Clover but he didn't listen. He couldn't convince him to let him talk this out with Ironwood so he had to work with someone he hated if it meant his freedom.
Was it monumentality stupid? ABSOLUTELY
Did it totally backfire?
Yup
But it was that or go to jail anyway so he took the chance that could've meant he got away
Honestly, Weiss saved Harriet. Clearly she was blinded by rage and with her arms tied, she couldn’t maneuver that well. Ruby, who has watched her for months, has learned her speed and was prepared to strike with Crescent Rose if Harriet got close enough. Ruby was going to time her strike and knock Harriet down... or slice right through her if her Aura wasn’t enough to protect her from the slice.
Harriet was racing to her defeat, one way or another, and in a worst case scenario, her death.
RedDragonForce2 Bruh Harriet was slapping RWBY up the whole 1v1 Weiss saves RWBY.
Agree
King Ippo then you didn’t notice Ruby actually planning that. Ruby used herself as a distraction so Harriet wouldn’t go after her teammates. Ruby specifically taunted Harriet to goad her into following her. In any other scenario, I agree Harriet and Ace Ops would stomp RWBY. But that was not what happened this time. Ruby’s smart enough to know she can’t beat Harriet straight up, so, played keep away while letting her teammates, her friends, deal with the rest of the Ace Ops.
Don’t underestimate Ruby, and definitely don’t overestimate Harriet.
ah, finally. someone actually understood the strategy behind ruby being on the defensive against harriet. most people here seem to think she was losing or that she needed weiss to save her smh.
@@sandraswift7280 honestly, it’s like people don’t even pay attention to the scene their watching. I thought that only belonged to Jeremy of CinemaSins, his staff, and his fans. Guess some RWBY fans are like Jeremy in that way.
But for real though, just because Ruby couldn’t beat Harriet straight up, doesn’t mean she couldn’t outsmart her. The first battle to win is that of the mind. Once you’ve let your opponent into your head, you’ve already lost.
remember when Weiss was more than a spellcaster
I miss fencing Weiss😭
She always was a spellcaster and a fencer however, in first 3 Volumes she still fought a lot more with Glyphs than she did with pure motions of Myrtenaster.
@@C-F98 the point was that after she learned how to summon it's all she does, when she quite literally can manipulate time and polarity
@@C-F98 other way around, in the earlier volumes she used Myrtenaster properly as a sword, most notable of these occasions being her fight against the white fang lieutenant. i miss when she used to fight properly, makes her look so much stronger than relying on summons and using glyphs somewhat differently (at least in this fight)
I see where you're coming from, but to be fair, how else would you fight someone who can stall the movement of only ONE thing indefinitely without summoning or a teammate. If she went into melee range and got stalled then her summon can't really do much without hitting her in the process.
@@hideo7366 you're right about this fight but just in general, we've only seen situations where weiss is fighting using her summon. its the same deal with blake, she has TWO swords that we haven't seen in use since the earlier volumes. it used to be so cool watching blake fight
Say what you will, this fight was awesome
Yup it was awsome
I love that little shocked look Marrow gives Weiss when she says 'This is my home!' because this meant she considered Mantle part of it. I don't think any faunus in their right mind would have thought a Schnee of all people would be willing to fight for Mantle, too, much less consider it part of 'home'. And she said that right after he brought up his own prejudice with her only for her to break it down immediately. Until that moment, he thought he was just fighting a bratty rich Schnee... only to learn otherwise right when he could actually declare her an enemy. She really must have blown his mind.
One of the reasons I love this fight is that there's no power level bullshit.
Just a good mix of match up, team work and tactics to decide a fight.
Wait what, but the Ace Ops were clearly dumbed down. Or maybe the being the best huntsman in Atlas doesnt take much. RWBY didnt really outsmart the opponents, they're opponents were just really dumb.
Like they dont make a single plan during that fight.
Sun Burn Team RWBY had better teamwork and coordination. You could see that the Ace Ops were arguing amongst each other and didn’t really work together. You could see it with how Blake and Yang actually double-teamed Vine and Elm, while they were too focused on their own tactics. There’s also how Weiss used her summon to her advantage against Marrow. Since Marrow was trying to detain and Weiss was trying to win. She put him in a position where if he slowed her down, the summon would just continue attacking him and vice versa.
@@sunburn8273 its obvious at first 2 minutes they have the upper hand with experience, but their Teamwork is abysmally low. Ace ops no longer have the cooperation on each team member. They all work for themselves and with themselves
@@TokinoSora10thApostle Yeah that's why I'm saying they were dumbed down. Aren't they the top soldiers in Iron Wood's army? Dont they fight Grimm in life or death situations on a daily basis working together as a team? I find it hard to believe a team of that caliber would be so flustered by team RWBY as to not come up with a single good plan.
Which is why I say RWBY didnt outsmart the Ace Ops as much as they beat the Ace Ops for being retarded.
@@sunburn8273 idk man, weiss semblance is really really powerful and right now she seems how to properly use it. Yang always has been good at fighting and now that she can control her temper it has been shown how tactical she really is. Besides that she can tank alot. Blake may not be as strong but she did have alot of experience. Being with the white fang and all. But since she works really well with yang I think it helped boost them in their 2v2. Ruby actually kinda lost. Or well, she was getting owned but got lucky. I would say out of all of these characters. Yang and weiss are at the top. Then comes the aceops without the faunus. I personally think Blake is the stronger the stronger faunus because she is really clever with her semblance. Being able to counter his semblance. And I'm not sure where to put Ruby.
After Lionheart betrayed them, I feel that RWBY was preparing to fight nearly everyone they came across. I don't think Marrow could freeze Ruby in time and all Ruby would have to do is knock into Marrow to release the rest of the team, which nobody on Ace Ops could stop and would heavily lower Marrow's aura while overall accomplishing very little.
3:43 I find it hilarious that she went into launcher mode as a last resort, Yang ponders the possibility, and then straight up goes "Nah, you won't" and proves herself right.
It’s not that Team Ruby are better fighters than the Ace Ops, it’s that they’re a better team (especially at this moment here).
Nah it's just st that they have more plot armor then Sora out of kingdom hearts so they can bs their way outta damn near anything
Friends over Fortune!
@@wholesome_masochist4113 Your bad faith take is bad and you should feel bad.
@@roosiniimiamiciii6666 Sheesh you sound like my mother lol. But jokes aside I can't help it's true. Especially due to the utterly ridiculous lengths they go to in order to explain _why_ the ace ops lost despite having been a team a hell of a lot longer, have been huntsmen and huntresses for a hell of a lot longer, weren't all immediately hit with marrow's semblance from the damn jump freezing them all, should I keep going?
@@wholesome_masochist4113 They lost because even though they've been a team for a lot longer, they aren't actually operating as a team in this fight. Team RWBY deliberately splits them off into one-on-one/two-on-two fights because they can't beat them in a straight fight. The Ace Ops are also still reeling from Clover's death, which happened within 24 hours of this fight. Characters making bad decisions doesn't mean it's bad writing, it means they're acting/reacting according to their characterization. Half the Ace Ops don't want to be fighting at all!
I noticed in this fight Marrow’s semblance appears to wear him out a lot. He uses it twice before falling over from exhaustion.
All semblances have limits. The stronger it is, the more the strain it would have on the user. A perfect balance.
I think stay can only be used on one thing/person at anytime
Tess Gray yeah me too
@@tessgray678 Nah, he can use it to many people ,but the people must be staying together in his view of vision. Watch back at episode 5 or 6 when the election goes down
Yeah but .... It stopped a six feet tall ice dude
Harriet: "We're the best huntmen in Atlas."
Ruby: "You were, then you trained -"
Marron: "STAY!"
*Team RWBY freezes*
Harriet: "Good job, Marron."
Marron: "Thanks. They were all huddled together and it was the perfect opportunity to capture them."
Wouldn't be much of an episode if they went down like that 😂
Marron can freeze the target that is pointing in line not a large place like team rwby was so he cant do it
That's not how Marrow's semblance works. He can essentially only freeze the one thing he's pointing at. Otherwise he would have been able to freeze both Weiss and Arma Gigas at the same time and easily apprehend her.
@@mochaexpress5419 look at the episode 6 after the lights come back and then tell me
Marrow was hesitant and highly against fighting them. He knew it would be better if they manage to make RWBY surrender peacefully. By the time RWBY had established that they weren't going down without a fight, and Marrow had made his mind to fight them, Ruby already flew away and WBY have started splitting up.
Besides, Weiss can counter Marrow's ability with time dilation and propulsion glyphs. Even if Weiss is frozen, it has been shown that the effects of her semblance have a sentience of their own. So if Weiss is frozen, she can still move around by conjuring a glyph on her feet that will throw her around.
See this comment section is why I watch the series but leave the Fandom alone...
100% Facts Fandoms Are So Toxic And Full Crazy Ass Fans Who Love To Start Stupid Ass Drama
You are right. They always have to complain and cry when things don't go their way. I prefer to watch the show and enjoy it myself and not get involved in crazy drama that is pointless.
@@kalentinesday inconsistencies with the story is not nitpicking.
Imagine if the Battle of Haven was like this
Took too much time releasing character trailers, we could have had this in volume 5.
@@joaocbcneto Unecessary character trailers that revealed nothing new about the characters. Even without the Weiss short we already knew that Weiss was training to get away from her father and fight in Beacon Academy. Without the Yang short we already knew Yang cares about Ruby. All the Ilia backstory in the Blake short was also revealed in the V5 itself. The only good thing we got out of the shorts was the entertaining fights, with budget which could've been used to make the fights in the Battle of Haven instead which would've been a crazier ride anyways
Sadly, the fight took too long, you could tell it sucked the creative juices out of CRWBY, not to mention how long it would've taken to hand animate 3/4 episodes of fights
Weiss finally used more glipys finally
I love how ruby tried to reason with Harriet after dropping that tower explosion burn on her lmao
She had them pegged right from the start, remember ?
Her hypocrisy was really astounding and shocking here !
Oh really? That's the thing I hated.
Reminds me of Rvb when Locus and the Counselor talked.
“They had each other. They had what our agents never fully achieved, complete and total faith in one another.”
Highly dramatic scene...but first
0:24
RWBY truly is an anime
If you look closely, when Yang activates her semblance, her eyes turn orange instead of the usual red we've seen in previous volumes
@Kleenex Barbie Maybe just a "semi" activation like she canceled it real quick.
They are red for a split second, too.
Honestly probably just color shading of the environment affecting them.
@@bubbajoe117 Probably
@@bubbajoe117 most likely. But I like to think she's more in control of her power so she can do quick burst. In the past volumes it seemed like Yang to take more of a beating before releasing her semblance. But I could just be overanalyzing
Ace Ops: We are the best huntsman in Atlas
RWBY: What about the rest?
" You were, then you trained us...."
Badass quote from Ruby!
I scrolled through some of the comments and I didnt see ANY talking about how proud of herself ruby looks when she lands a blow in unarmed combat
TBF you need to watch at 0.25 speed to notice it. Good catch!
3:34 if anyone is wondering.
Everyone's faces at 2:51 when they all realize this shit is really happening. The surprise and heart break in the Ace Corps members eyes. Like they all truly cared for RWBY.
I don't think it was really heart break or caring (except for Marrow), I think it was fear. They were THE Ace Ops, the best fighters in Atlas, undefeatedable. But that was the moment they realised they could actually lose, the moment they realised their victory was not assured because of who they are, and it scared the hell out of them, and just straight up stunned them. That's just my take tho
@@JustinPageSlayer It’s Also the Moment they Realized they’ve Underestimated they’re Power!
I enjoy how this fight shows Ruby as a genius (so Doctor Oobleck was right, hey). She split Harriet from the group, so cutting off the chain of command. The rest of RWBY also use a lot of ways to get in their heads and show how much of a team they are compared to Ace Ops, which is revealed during the current volume.
No it's just bad writing. Military professionals (the best in Atlas) in that world's best military lost to children. Who at this point are calling each other out on their hypocritical BS.
@@goddessrick8734 "Children" that have seen many people die, been betrayed multiple times, lost everything they had and had to fight to get to Atlas.
Against the best in Atlas, all hand picked by someone, taught how to do their moves every step of the way, taught to never question and never get out of the game plan, who each are incapable of teamwork because the only thing making them a "team" is the fact they're in the same squadron.
My apologies, but no, I can buy the "children" winning this one. If you don't, that's your thing, but the only thing you have stated is that they're the cream of the crop in the military... which doesn't mean much against being an actual team.
@@goddessrick8734 There's a thing called team work. Which is how Yang and Blake won, Marrow was holding back and Ruby didn't even beat Harriet alone sooo...
@@goddessrick8734 There have been a lot of child war lords and stuff in history. Alexander the great was younger then blake. So a group of skilled teenagers could in theory be powerful.
"you were, then you trained us" I JUST WITNESSED A *MURDER*
You just witnessed bullshit.
Yeah no, it hasn't been nearly long enough for them to suddenly be better than the Ace-Ops.
So am I the only one that freaked out when ruby said "You were. Then you trained us."
To those confused why Marrow didn’t just freeze all of them, his semblance seems to be directional, probably something to do with eyesight. If he’s not looking at you, he can’t freeze you.
As for why he didn’t freeze the team at the very beginning, before the fighting even started, he was clearly the Ace Op most reluctant on fighting in the first place, and was trying to the end to solve the issue diplomatically. By the time Marrow knew that talking wasn’t going to work, RWBY was already starting to Divide and Conquer.
It also only seems to work on one target at a time. He wasn't able to freeze Weiss and her knight at the same time.
@@toxikyle5419 I'm pretty he froze the entire room of people during the rally when Tyrian attacked but iirc that was him pushing his absolute limit and tired him significantly
Matthew Booth I don’t know why you assume that was pushing him to the absolute limit and tired him significantly...
JageshemashFTW Because Plot basically. They all got hit with the idiot stick.
@@toxikyle5419 he can freeze multiple people as long as they're in his line of sight, Weiss and her knight were in different directions when he froze her knight he took his eyes off her
3:44 I LOVE this part. Old Yang would've continued going for the head. Current Yang is both powerful AND tactical, going for Elm's weakness instead of simply brute force.
Agreed. I also like how Yang's gotten better at using and controlling her semblance. I still remember when she would take hits to activate her semblance.
@@user-uj3wl7dk6n She still does.
@@itserenyeager1348 Yes, but as the original comment stated, she's more tactical about it now. Yang actually takes a moment now to assess the situation before diving into battle.
this was probably unintentional, but using a semblance over and over takes away aura right? i think thats how harriet got taken down so quickly, she repeatedly kept using her semblance and right when she was near empty weiss depleted the rest with her attack. in other words, as taiyang said, you cant allow yourself to depend on your semblance
Well that and she literally just got smacked in the face by an ice wall while going god knows how fast.
@Harris Andon Fu she took a giant dust blast that could destroy the giant grimm from volume 6 Harriet would need to hit her a lot more
Salem appeared, and placed doubt in the minds of our heroes. And in doing so... divided them.
Now that’s a big brain.
This is one of my favorite battles of all RWBY
2:38 love the hell out of this combo and the animation on the subsequent takedown! The acrobatics were freaking BEAUTIFUL
2:45 most satifying thing I've seen
squidward getting pile drived
Also most satisfying thing I’ve heard
Harriet Bree: ""We're the best Huntsmen, in Atlas."
Ruby Rose "You were"
Oh snap!
Kinda hyped to see Ironwood's reaction on S8 when he finds out RWBY defeated Ace Ops
*ah shoot that's not gonna end well is it?*
Prepare to be disappointed lmao.
@@LiterallySpikeSpiegel Alredy am, he dident even care that RWBY defeated Ace Ops
@@yukun7898 lol
@@yukun7898 That’s RWBY’s storytelling for ya.
I like this moment at 2:48 a LOT. Just generally a really good shot for “setting stakes” because it slows down the fight and you get everyone’s reactions to it. It sets the tone midway, because in the beginning, both teams play around the idea of simply arresting each other or restrictions via cuffs. So during that time, they’re not pulling huge power moves or finishers because they’re just wearing each other down. THEN THIS HAPPENS, with a perfect musical queue. Now both teams know that this isn’t going to end with one side comically tied to a pillar like in superhero comics. You get up, you fight, or you get KNOCKED OUT. I like the escalation and the story telling involved a lot, even if I haven’t watched past like V4. It’s good stuff.
That's one part, but I also think it's shock at how the tides turned. Ace ops were the best huntsmen in Atlas, they underestimated Team RWBY the whole way and figured they were obviously superior. Then all of the sudden one of them is out for the count and they're at a numbers disadvantage. The vocals kicking in really sells the "oh shit" moment Ace Ops are facing, they're realizing all at once that they actually might just lose this fight.
Don't know about you guys, but I think Monty would give this fight scene a thumbs up. Still not at his level yet I think, but definitely getting there.
I'm starting to lose any sense for what people consider to be "Monty level."
I'm no expert in the field but I enjoyed this fight's thematic elements more than just about any fight Monty did in the earlier Volumes. He's great on the mechanical side of things - but what fights of his from RWBY were truly memorable? Pyrrha fighting CRDL (which meant basically nothing plot-wise), RWBY fighting their first Nevermore, the first couple of trailers, Neo fighting Yang, Torchwick holding off Sun and Blake sure.
Neo fighting Cinder, this, and Qrow fighting Tyrian and Clover were great on their own and more important to the plot.
@@crichton397 To be fair the stakes in the show weren't really high yet when Monty was making fights for the show.
I just want to say that the Weis losing streak is OVER.
Can we talk about the use of red in this fight? RWBY symbolism has made it clear that red is the color most associated with choice and life. Most of the most choice defined battles (like this one!) have heavy red lightening as opposed to fights like winter & penny vs cinder or clover vs qrow vs Tyrian? Where the lighting is mostly bleak and lacking in any red or warm colors period. It shows how much choice or freedom to choose characters involved actually have. Qrow has a lot of red in his clothes showing that despite the setting? He’s free to make his choices. He constantly brings that up especially with Clover. I just love how much the artists pact into the visuals and symbolism. Though I wanna make it clear that while yes, the ace ops have red in their outfits or how penny had red-hair? The choices the make are still symbolized in it. Harriet and elm are chooseing to basically kill them while marrow and vine are choosing to be peaceful. Same with clover. He has a choice to think for himself but he chose blind obedience. I find it ironic that while tryian has no red in his design at all? His choices are clear. Just something I noticed.
That awesome.
3:44 I'm happy whenever I see Yang thinking instead of forcing herself a way with her semblance
Harriet: “We’re the best Huntsmen in Atlas.”
Ruby: “You were. But we have plot armor.”
I just realized you can see the subtle points when Blake activates her semblance.
The moment where Blake and Yang beat Vine is some of the coolest choreography to ever come out of this show
It was such a clean KO...
Amazing
Everything in this fight was stacked against Ace Ops and RWBY win smartly.
Marrow didn't use his semblance because he was hesitant and highly against fighting them. He knew it would be better if they manage to make RWBY surrender peacefully. By the time RWBY had established that they weren't going down without a fight, and Marrow had made his mind to fight them, Ruby already flew away and WBY have started splitting up.
Besides, Weiss can counter Marrow's ability with time dilation and propulsion glyphs. Even if Weiss is frozen, it has been shown that the effects of her semblance have a sentience of their own. So if Weiss is frozen, she can still move around by conjuring a glyph on her feet that will throw her around.
The fight against Elm and Vine is a case of "field experience beats regular academy training." RWBY have been going on vigilante missions against Torchwick early into their careers. Meanwhile Ace Ops are just academy graduates who go through regular sparring against other rookie students and regular grimm extermination missions against grimm they learn in school. Meanwhile RWBY have learned to fight grimm they haven't learned in school, like the Geist, the lancers, and the sea wyvern, early in V4. Because of this field experience as well as their strong bonds of friendship, they know each other well and exhibit synergy. In the fight against the Geist, the geist was an opponent that obviously requires the efforts of a team. They even had to call each other to execute team attacks and we're reliant on Clover's orders. Meanwhile Blake and Yang knows each other very well and it only takes them a nod and a smile to execute a team attack naturally. They also know how to employ team attacks even in fights against human opponents where the importance of teamwork is less obvious. Elm and Vine however, thought they were naturally superior against Blake and Yang, and thought they could take them on one on one.
Ruby knew her team would lose if Harriet teams up with the other ace ops. So she taunts Harriet by telling her that RWBY is better than Ace Ops and lures her away. Harriet should know that Ruby would never leave her friends behind and should've let her run off while she helps the other ace ops win their fights. Instead, she falls prey to her pride and instead goes after the very person who actually has chance of outrunning her, with the intent to prove that she was the better one.
Now that's what I call a thorough insight
Finally! The first comment I’ve seen that gives a reason as to why RWBY got the win. I mainly just see people angry over the fact that “RWBY won because of plot” or “How did four newly made huntsman beat the best huntsman in Atlas?” I personally don’t like to think that deep and just enjoy the fight.
"Besides, Weiss can counter Marrow's ability with time dilation" Yeah, obviously, because we actually saw her use it many times since its first iteration.
Find the irony.
@@adrien4269 Just because she doesn't use it often doesn't erase it out of existence from Weiss' toolset. Blake used her ice clone in V5 and her fire clone in V7. Ruby only used fire and lightning ammunition in V4. Weiss only used plant dust in the White trailer. Winter only used ice dust in the Weiss short. Blake only used fire and ice ammunition in the fight against Ilia. Nora never used her special 'shoot five at the same time' grenade launcher mode that she used in V3. The last time Weiss used her hard light barriers was in the lancers fight.
There are so many characters with plenty of abilities they don't use often. That doesn't mean they don't exist anymore.
@@maiseree1511 Plant dust ? Reviewed the fight and since he didn't had any plant based effect, I doubt you can call it this way.
She didn't use hard light against the lancer. Because the particles of hard light contains hexagons. It was ethereal and therefore wind at best.
And you're using multiple examples that are based not on people semblances but on the dust they're using. It's not the same at all. It's just Schnee Semblance contains a palette already diverse and that dime dilatation could already be a semblance on its own like we saw in V7 with Marrow. It's time dilatation in the same idea but the repository is different.
I feel bad for Vine, He probably got the worst end of it in that fight.
Along with Marrow. I mean they were holding back.
Finally Weiss wins an important battle, god.
sergio Almecija whatchu mean
Bj_ , this is Weiss’s first victory in a 1v1
Sly uzumaki What about the White Trailer?
Gacha Kaizo talking about actual people
This is definetly one of my favorite fights in all RWBY! It's just so freaking cool!
I specially love the part when the first of the Ace Ops go down and the situacion from there on out gets a "the hunstmen are now the prey"-felling.
RWBY Volume 7 opening: TRUST LOOOOVE!
RWBY Volume 7 Ep 12: *If it’s war that you want then you got it*
Just learned Harriet va is now voicing everyone favourite bunny hero from my hero academia
Can We appreciate How Marrow is trying to NOT Harm them Excessively Like The Rest of Them Just to Arrest them.
Yes, we can.
Vine as well
How about we appreciate the lengths Weiss went to. She had deadly weapons all over the place, and purposely avoided using any of them as direct attacks. Instead of using all of those deadly giant ice spikes as attacks, she just used them as objects to impede his movement.
Okay but was Ruby going to fucking chop Harriet in half if Weiss didn't put up the wall?
Aura remember
I hope
@LANO EXACTLY. I love Ruby. I think she's adorable but she never gets into fights.
I think she was trying to exhaust her. She never takes a hit against her unless it's to aprehend her. She was smart by dragging her away from her team because Harriet could probably take out everyone of team RWBY except her. I think her weilding her scythe was meant to intimidate her.
What bothers me is that at no point does Ironwood realise that Salem, invulnerable BBEG, specifically target the insecurity of a 15/16 year old girl who ought to be no threat. Salem isn't impressed by him, but somehow regards Ruby as enough of a problem to respond directly to her? Maybe Oz was onto something...
I mean with Ruby in particular it's cause of the Silver Eyes thing.
That's kinda the point, yeah. Salem had been using Ironwood's fear and paranoia ever since and possibly even before his debut in Volume 2. She had Cinder fool him into bringing more Atlas troops and machines to Beacon, all the more for Roman to hack via Watts' virus, and frame Atlas for the destruction of the academy and Vale. This caused James's fear and paranoia to rise to new heights, resulting in the Dust embargo and the closing of Solitas's borders. Then came Salem's message and the fact that Yang and Blake went behind his back and told Robyn about the Amity Communications Tower. Despite this not even being that big a deal and Salem not actually being one step ahead of him (the chess piece was left behind to scare him), James's paranoia was just too great for him to think of this. That coupled with how he detested RWBY for going behind his back and lying about the Lamp of Knowledge lacking questions, and you could see why he wouldn't give two shits about a girl who's suffering from trauma.
Ironwood was a mere pawn, just like the robots his kingdom built; Ruby was one of the players.
It's probably because of his semblance
I think Ruby is actually 17 by this point
Maybe it has to do with Ironwood, every time he saw himself talking about Salem or related to the subject, he acted invaded by fear and paranoia, but Ruby did not hesitate for a second to challenge her, and in fact he had already ruined 2 of Salem's plans
I believe that Oz, upon seeing Ruby, considered her an important ally in his endless war with Salem and would include her in his group as he did with Qrow or Summer, and possibly had to do with her ability to use that scythe at such a young age and of course for her silver eyes