HH Shootout: Telecaster Deluxe -VS- Les Paul - What do each EXCEL at?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ย. 2024
- Comparing Gibson Les Paul to Fender's closest counterpart, namely the double humbucker Telecaster Deluxe.
Gear:
1978 Fender Telecaster Deluxe (Stock Wide Range CuNiFe Humbuckers)
2008 Gibson Les Paul R9 (PAF style Seymour Duncan Alnico II Pro)
1976 Marshall Super Lead
1971 Marshall 1982B
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The CuNiFe WRHB’s are such an articulate, full frequency, clear pickup that stay clear no matter how much gain you apply. Such an under utilised pickup and a bit of secret weapon IMHO. I know we are accustomed to the PAF sound of the Gibson style humbucker which is associated with the sound of rock ‘n’ roll but to my ear the WRHB is much more pleasing and much more fun to play too. I have them in my Tele deluxe and my Jazzmaster. Another great video Johan. Thanks 🙏
Have you tried the G&L MFD pickups? I love the jumbo single coils in the ASAT special, but you might be particularly interested by the Z-Coil humbuckers in the Comanche.
@@Robstafarian This one is a beast, I tried the MFD regular sized single coils in their T style line ups, it's really a beefy single coil like none other. I never get that kind of tone using other single coil set, really close to a rail mini humbucker pickup yet MFD is still using pole pieces that's adjustable individually. Amazing design and tone.
i can already tell you that scale length and pickup placement will be 90%+ of the tone difference. and that both are amazing 🤩
Cheers!
The pickups are vastly different also
@@popeye089i know they are, technically, but im not hearing it as much as i would have thought.
Also, fender still used 250k pots in their teles because that what they had. Remember fenders are and were just partscasters. Unlike Gibsons that have carved tops. Fender were always intended to be mass produced
@@popeye089 carved tops do nothing for tone.
Hey Johan, if you want to take scale length out of the equation, you can use the same string gauge on both guitars, and compensate the tension by tuning to the interval in cents that would make up for the difference.
I calculated there's 51.68 cents between the Gibson Les Paul scale (24.75" or 628.65 mm) and the Fender scale (25.5" or 647,7 mm) when using the same string gauge. In my Peterson tuner I can only enter intervals in the range of ±50.0 cents, so I made a preset of -1 semitone +42.3 cents to make a Fender-scale guitar play like a Les Paul-scale guitar.
Same-gauge strings having the same tension should yield similar overtones, regardless of their length. I actually drew a lot of empirical insight about this topic from some of your very fine videos where you show how different string gauges change the frequency response we get from the same guitar, or where you either downtune a guitar without changing the string gauge, having a similar effect. As I understand it's always the lesser tension that gives richer response, since higher tension will tend to reach equilibrium faster, hence «killing» some overtones.
I was never aware how similar these two guitars are. Amazing sounds as usual Johan. That Tele has some some teeth! Incredible bite and clarity.
Thanks! Yeah the Tele does a killer LP style tone
if i close my eyes, it's hard to tell... but yeah, i agree the tele has a bit more bite and clarity (and now i want one haha), good thought.
Can’t believe how big that Tele sounds. Really didn’t think it would be so close to a Les Paul sound. Definitely expected more jangle. Love the sound.
Thanks Jon! It’s definitely closer to a Les Paul than a standard Tele
The difference also comes from the pots. The Fender does have 1 meg pots for the wide range humbuckers, where the Les Paul uses 500k pots.
Interesting!
u sure? Pretty much my all hh teles are 250-330k.
Yes, I'm sure. All wide range humbuckers used to have 1 meg pots.
@@snodgraz what's that mean to us though ? Also would the LP sustain more given the same electronics?
Wow, they both sound really good!
Using them both panned in stereo seems like the perfect recipe for a classic rock recording. 🙂
Thanks man! ;-)
I didn't expect the heaviness of the Deluxe, but then I've never owned one. Very cool comparison! I'm glad we're back more on guitars.
Thanks, glad to hear that!
Awesome contrast Johan🧨Like night and day to me. Both guitars for completely different schemas. The Gibson is compressed and blends the thickness so nice. The Telecaster is Captain Crunch with with a razors edge of articulation with a plexi bite. Love both.
Thanks Damien! Glad you like them
Loved both guitars. Each brings a unique sound to the table. The Wide Range Cunife pickups definitely need to see more love. I don't know how I've overlooked those all these years. Glad that Fender has reintroduced them. You are sounding great as always Johan. God bless and rock on 🎸👍😎
Thanks J! Rock on!
Well, cos they haven't been available. Easy to overlook something that isn't there..!
Great, Johan! I was thinking about this comparrison yesterday! You read my mind!
It would be interesting compare both with the same pickups to hear the differences between both models roo.
Thanks! Yeah that would be really interesting
I love Johan’s 59 reissue. It’s looks just as bad ass as it sounds.
Thanks Dan!
I like the neck feel and clarity of sound of the Fender. I think that personal preference is all that matters.
A tad bright though....
Wonderful sounds, Johan (and some awesome playing from your good self!) I have to admit that I was surprised at just how Les Paul-sounding the Tele Deluxe could be! Fantastic!
Thanks, glad you like it!
One thing I notice all the time is how string tension effects the attack, sustain and quality of transients. With the same gage strings on both guitars I'd expect a less immediate attack and more modulation and texture from the Les Paul because the strings have less tension due to the scale difference. I think this is an effect that many people respond positively to when it is applied to higher gain tones. As for myself, I have a Fender American Professional Series Telecaster Deluxe Shawbucker with 12's installed and I love the immediacy of all that tension. The dynamics are more piano like. Perhaps the two guitars might sound even more similar if string gages were calculated to provide equal tension on both instruments.
I had a set of Wide Range hum buckers sitting in a box for decades and finally put them into a Tele body I bought. Unbelievably great guitar. The trick is using 1 meg pots to really bring out the high end.
One is good for the straight aways and the other better for turning. It depends on what type of waters you are paddling in.
They both sound awesome! If this were a contest they'd both win honestly. My ideal Tele is the semi hollow natural finish version of this guitar. Squier sells one under the classic vibe name and I plan to get one someday.
Thanks! Yeah the Thinline Tele is cool. I think Coldplay used those earlier on
Awesome video as always!
Just from watching the video, the scale length and pickups definitely are what make each guitar so drastically different. Because the deluxe is more comfortable to play, you're able to play smoother, while the Les Paul is shorter scale and sort of forces you to play harder therefore sounding much more impassioned. I have a Tele Custom myself and have always favored how it sounds tuned lower so that I'm just a little out of my comfort zone playing it and play harder, where I can see the Les Paul sounding really good in standard tuning if I had one for the same reason.
Maybe it's all just placebo lol
Thanks! Yeah the playing feel between these two are really different. Lots of placebo in gear choice though 😂
I went down the rabbit hole with Seth Lover and discovered the fact the he did work for Fender and designed the wide range humbucker, Fender wanted the PAF sound but didn’t want to infringe on the patent, Johan you definitely showed how close they sound to that! I always wished Fender had the option of putting a strat bridge on these Tele’s. Awesome demo Johan!
They actually did that but for a very limited time. The new Vintera II series includes a Tele Deluxe with strat style bridge!
Both sound great. They're both dynamic guitars. Fender made a good decision to start making those correctly again.
Great video Johan. Cheers from Hawaii
Thanks Darrell! Cheers from the Swedish west coast!
You should compare Gibson SG to this tele, Johan, because i think SG is closer to this tele tone cause thinner body.
Yeah, SG is probably even closer
Thanks Johan, I am surprised how similar they sound. I may be shopping for a Deluxe Telecaster 🤣. Appreciate you taking us all on your journey of tone!
Thanks Paul! I think they’re really similar too
I think the scale length is the least of the tonal differences. A Maple neck absorbs less upper-mids than Mahog, but the CuNiFe poles in the WRHB's also don't roll off the highs above ~1kHz nearly as much as Steel poles. Pickup width difference is also not enough to matter. Those two factors give the Tele stronger highs. WRHB's have a Steel baseplate that increases output without reducing highs, as in a Tele bridge pickup. That wouldn't matter much with a Steel poled pickup.
Thanks, interesting feedback
That's one of the best Marshall sounds I've heard on this channel. Almost Fender like.
I’ve wanted one of those tele’s for the longest time, I’ve got the 72 thinline which is AMAZING but you can’t blend the pickups in the middle and it’s a semi hollow so it has that sorta sound, not at all the same guitar as a tele deluxe
Thank you, Johan, for this video and for bringing the Telecaster Deluxe out of the shadow. I have a Fender Tele Deluxe from 1974 and a newer Heritage Les Paul (they call it H 150) with Vintage Inspired Pickups (VIP) and wiring harness. I play mainly clean and I come to a similar result as you. The Tele has a clearer, firmer and I would say dryer sound than the Heritage. The Heritage with the PAF pickups is more complex. One cause for the differences besides scale length, pickup design and others in my opinion is the old wood of the Telecaster (seems your Les Paul is a newer one too). All in all I like the Telecaster Deluxe better than the Heritage Les Paul.
Great video Johan! The Tele is very impressive I must say. It's about feel as much as anything. I much prefer the scale length/neck radius on Gibsons. I have a '77 Tele and I find the neck a bit problematic.
Thanks Eddie! They certainly pull different types of riffs out of the player
I am so envious of you, Mr. Segeborn! So much great gear that you get to play. I love the sound of that Tele. I know there are guys that make Wide Range style humbuckers in the traditional humbucker size. I might buy a set for my Flying V.
Thanks Todd! Yeah those could be compared to PAF style humbuckers in the same guitar.
@@JohanSegeborn I’ve thought about getting a set of Creamery Baby ‘71 PAF-sized WR humbuckers, but I’m really happy with the Mojotone Classics in my V.
Very interesting! Next time i see a vintage Deluxe at MB i'll have to give it a try. I was surprised by how it sounds. Great video as usual 🙂
Thanks, glad to hear it!
I recently changed from 20 years of playing a Gibson Les Paul. I now play a fender deluxe Tele. Do i miss the Gibson??? Not one bit 😮
to me, with a clean tone, the Gibsons make for great rhythm guitars and Tele Deluxes are great fir adding everything over the top of that.
You definitely need and deserve both, the telecaster sounds great for a certain kind of rhythm playing especially!
Thanks, yeah definitely the Tele for rhythm and the LP for leads
Because we are guitar nerds, Mr. Johan’s mention of scale length intrigues me. Don’t quote me, but I think the tele scale length allows the guitar to be tuned and intimated to a concert pitch A = 420 htz while the Les Paul can attain a French tuning….?
I doubt 420Hz is legal in Sweden 😆
My main guitar is a Tele "Deluxe" with custom ash body and DiMarzio PAF humbuckers, because this is my "ideal" design so far. I had it since February.
I also own a Les Paul copy, mahogany + maple cap, which I have played for a few years, including with the pickups currently on the Tele. Sounds just like a Les Paul.
The differences between the two are quite the same as in your video. In my words, the Tele is clearer and more scooped, while the single cut is fatter, with more low mids and, as you now point out, indeed more complex in harmonics.
This makes me think that the wide range CuNiFe may not be that far in tone from classic PAFs.
By the way, when I want Gibson tones from my Tele, I am using a Tube Screamer just for the EQ, with gain at zero and volume to unity. I don't know if it sounds exactly like that one, because I currently put a totally different set of pickups on the single cut, but it sounds good to my ear. Would be interested to watch such a shootout. 😊
Cool, I’ll try that!
@@mike42356 it's in the electronics.,
Excellent Video as excellent tone as usual.
To be honest I was not considering this comparation at all. Lot of people use standard Teles with a fuzz to get good rock sounds. I personally like normal single coils more.
I never thought using this type of Tele with Marshal at this level of overdrive. It sounds very good though.
At one point I was in the music store and I was browsing guitars and I saw a Squier modified Thin line 72 and same guitar from Fender USA range. I have tried that Squier and it was resonating and sounding incredible. Went to a Fender USA and it was resonating less and sounding worse!??? I was looking for a different type of guitar and I have not taken it. I love Swamp ash bodies on Fenders. Maple necks have their special place as well. Few days later I was turning in my bed and I thought wait that guitar is so awesome I will go and buy it tomorrow. Next morning I've called the store it was sold. After it when I was there I saw next one and it was way worse than the first one. Never forgave myself for not getting it. It was a bargain too.
Now regarding to a Electric guitar sound I find that most of the people are not aware how complex issue that is. I believe that even most companies that make guitars have people building the guitars not understanding it totally. From all the people I have listened to I find Paul Reed Smith one of the rare people that know why something sounds as it does. I was on PRS clinic and I have asked him few questions and he knew stuff most of the people and even brands do not know. I have asked him about coax cable capacitance and he knew how much capacitance per inch his cables have. Gibson delivers all of their guitars, even extremely expensive models with wrong braided cables. I have tried to contact them on Instagram and even challenge them to show them the difference. Never got the answer. They lost so much of the knowledge about how did they made guitars in 50's and early 60's. They found lot of good stuff about wood but bridges and cables and pickups are nowhere near what they should be. Sure use hide glue everywhere but actually tops were never glued with the hide glue.
I love my R7 Murphy Lab but it needed to be modified and I have done it. Now it is way better. Recreated whole harness with proper braided wire with way lower capacitance and even changed hook-up wires on the pickups.
People on TH-cam often make videos that show how wood is not important or this or that is not important for the sound of the Electric guitar. If they prove anything they prove that in given scenario something is working this or the other way. For example that video of strings not having a body but being stretched between two tables or what ever it was is just a proving how that scenario affects the sound and does not prove that bodies and neck material does not matter. They do not establish why or how because they do not even see the complexity of the issue. Change a neck with different type of wood and you will hear the difference so it matters. Or even more extreme example taker two same guitars in the store and test them and I am pretty sure they will sound different despite being made of same materials and by same people. One will sound better to you. I have done it so many times. Everyone did I guess because that is the way we buy guitars in the stores.
How ever bad and arrogant it might sound, I truly do know, for a fact, that everything matters. Even changing tuners changes the sound. Can a person hear it in their scenario well that is completely another thing. There are not two same sounding guitars or pickups even if they come from the same tree and pickups are wound one after the other on same machine with same wire. There are no two same peace's of wood.
Scale length matter so much, bolt on or set neck matters. Bodies and neck materials matters. Even string spacing matters. Nut material matters. Everything matters.
Saying anything definitive as a rule can go wrong very fast. Like for example you take few R9's in the shop. Measure them all and try them all. You find that definitely in that case lightest one sounds better. So you go and say light weight Les Pauls sound better. Was that only reason why that guitar sounded better?
For example my R7 sounded better that any other Les Paul in the store. My guitar is 3910 grams. It sounded better than R9 M2M that was insane 3610 grams light. That means that heavier Les Paul sounds better and resonates more? No it does not mean that at all. What it means is that neck and body of my R7 work better with each other. Good dry wood will sound better than wett good wood. In dry wood saps and sugars are crystalized and hardend hence they conduct vibrations better. Wett wood damps the vibrations. But those information's are just guidelines because it matter how dense is the given specimen. For example grains can be 1 mm wide or 2 mm wide. Same type of wood but one was growing in cold years and one in hotter years. One have had more water available and maybe more sun ad earth was richer so growth rate was different despite both being same type of wood. They will sound different. Then how was it sawn? Is it quartersawn? It will sound different and it will work different with the body too. This things matter as much as heavy or light. So yes wood can be heavier and sound better despite that same drier wood will sound better then when it was wett. If body and neck work together that matter more than some other things. If they fight each other there will be no natural sustain. Vibrations of one will be killing vibrations of the other peace of wood. So ti is very very complex matter. People just want one liners and say this is better while even in single scenario the truth is way more complex.
Regarding to this comparation this just tells me how creative was the Seth Lover. Gibson wanted P90 sound without hum so he created PAF. Fender wanted their character sound and no hum he made wide range humbuckers. Both times he made a Bingo in my book. No those do not sounding same as P90's or single coils but he got the ball in the right court definitely. You can't have P90 sound 100 percent with a humbucker due to the compression and way humbucking works. Same is true with wide range and single coils. But he did kept the basic nature of the tone of the originals.
In this video I hear Fender on steroids sound of the Tele. Brighter and more byte. Even I would say that I hear more gain in some parts. I do not know how would they compare on clean but here they both have great sound overdriven. Sound is though less complex in details in the case of the Telecaster despite having more top end content. Good honest sound though.
Telecasters do have more middle spectrum than Stratocasters and they always have more balls as well. No wonder people often say real 50's Les Pauls sound like big brother of the Telecasters. Here Les Paul has its normal sound. Though do not forget that what we perceive as louder sounds better to us. Also even if meter shows same value something with specific middle and top content will sound louder to us than something else less aggressive sounding.
I have both a slab flat body Les Paul and I have doen all I can to make it sound as awesome as possible. It does sound great. But it lacks on beautiful texture you get with carved maple cap Les Paul. It was a humbucker version of a Tribute Special. Cheapest made in USA Gibson Les Paul. Still it has one peace body. One peace neck. It has more true to the original Kluson tuners than Standard Les Paul 50's Gibson USA have nowadays. No nut on the top side of a tuner but just ferule like on custom shop guitars. It was a wrap around bridge and I have converted it to a Historic ABR-1. Proper harness with new parts and first generation Raw Vintage humbuckers. Sounds awesome. Still sounds different. Sure maple neck makes difference as well. Anyhow everything matters. One thing that fits one guitar might just make the other guitar worse even. Same pickups do not sound same in different guitars. So once more everything matters.
In this comparation everything changes. I find it better to talk about what we hear and how it feels than why exactly. To many variables to have a good process and prove why. That is what I think :)
Thanks, great feedback. Yeah too many coupled parameters to draw any conclusions beyond these two models or even units. Have you tried shaking guitars to relax the joints/Wood etc? Ive heard that attaching a guitar to a board to which vibrations from say a router is transferred can make a big difference and basically simulate years of use. Cheers
@JohanSegeborn I haven't tried that before, but it sounds good. I get the reasoning behind it. There is a common knowledge that guitars that have been played sound better than once that were just stored away. It is true. Vibrations promote moving sap and sugars in the wood and aligning it in the wood as well as drying it inside the wood. Similarly, nitro paint tends to crack at very specific points. When it cracks, it cracks at the lines where the vibrations stretch it the most. Hence, once the surface tension is broken, wood can vibrate freely. I believe that during a process of changing temperature to crack the paint, guitar should be in open chord tuning, and strings should vibrate a lot. I believe that those vibrations would promote paint cracking at proper places, helping the wood to vibrate at musical frequency.
Regarding bolt on necks, I have had instances where bolt on neck was not screwed firm enough and tightening the screws changed guitars big time. After just turning screw like quarter to half, turn more, making sure not to overdo it guitars would resonate way better, sustain would improve, and they would simply sound better and more efficient. Overdoing it stripping a wood and making screw turning without any grip. Sure, one can fix it, but it is better not to need to fix it in the first place.
Both guitars sound great! The player and amp aren’t too shabby either haha. Very cool comparison. I have a 73 tele deluxe and always wondered what the double humbucker version would sound like. Although my tele’s bridge pickup is so aggressive it’s crazy. Now I just gotta get a johan style Marshall!
Thanks! 😉
Both sound really close and really good. Great recording again, I love the punch in the attack in the recording and how the amp and speakers breaks up, almost falling appart. :) The modelers have not succeed to capture this yet.
Is it me or the fender wr have a bit more output than the seymour alinco pro 2? I have to try one of these deluxe tele one day. The one you have in this video looks gorgeous. As well as your Les Paul.
Thanks Jean-philippe!
Thanks man now I need to get those Vintage ’70s Tele deluxe 😄
...both sound wonderful
And we need both!
Glad to hear it! Cheers!
That tele has a rounder tone. It sounds fuller, I really like that bite.
Thanks!
great demo Johan, I have a Telecaster Deluxe, love the tone especially the neck pickup. From what I've heard over the years is that the Telecaster Deluxe has 1 meg pots so that may add to some of the tone differences. Love Wide Range and PAFs. I've also heard that Ace used a Telecaster Deluxe on the early albums. Take care!
Thanks Mark! It would be interesting to compare them bypassing the pots/caps
@@JohanSegeborn very interesting!
I wonder if the new American Professional II sound very different from the older Deluxes, and how they compare to the les pauls. I got in love with the Deluxe Teles from first sight, love them. LP was my first guitar and they rock! But man... I am a tele woman xD Thank you for your videos Johan, I always enjoy them dearly.
Maybe comes down to woods used I know the tele has maple in the neck as apposed to the carved top and it's mahogany vs either alder or ash but I'd be curious to see a carved top tele with those wide range pups I bet it would sound glorious
Interesting approach, I already understand from your videos that tone is coming from the speaker cabinet, amp head, and what pedal (if we use one). But the dynamics itself is actually get its life through the guitar pickups and scale size. I like the Les Paul darker tone for some heavy riff music, but that teeth and snappiness Telecaster deliver is also interesting for solo/leads playing. Amazing comparison.
LOVE my 74 Tele Deluxe... such a slept on guitar because it's not "vintage".... but that means more for me XD
Great video, and we'll timed for me. I recently attended a concert where a fender thinline telecasyer with the wide range pickups was used and sounded fantastic. I am in research mode now because I want one. It is a different sound that I'd like to have in my collection. Not Gibson, but not classic Fender either. Great playing. Thank you.
I like the fender sound because it sounds wider tonality. The Gibson sounds very focused and cuts through the mix. The ergonomics of the Gibson lead me to the fender every time. The fender is easier tinplate for me
Thanks Cameron
Your comparisons are amazing , the Fender really holds up to the LP seeing it has the hum buckers, I have a Fender Strat Blacktop that has Hum buckers but it's not like the Telecaster you playing here. Great video great playing.
You're the best Johan. ❤ Both sound incredible
Thanks! Glad you like them!
They are quite different quitars; Rosewood vs maple, bold-on vs neck thru, mahogany vs alder etc. My take on it why they sound so similar, they are played by the same (gifted) hands. Remember the story of Ted Nugent playing through Eddie Van Halens magic rig, still sounding like Ted Nugent. Thanks for this video Johan.
You meant Nugent
@@mohamedtlass3842 auto correct😁
Thanks! Yeah it would be interning to find the settings/style/playing that maximise difference. Cheers!
Les Pauls are guitars that I love to hear other people play. I long for that richness in the mids, but as soon as I'm playing one, I realize that it's not my vibe. A Tele Deluxe, on the other hand, just makes me want to wail. It'll never have the tactile thickness of a Les Paul, but it sounds pretty awesome. I've never played a really good Tele Deluxe, however.
The closest might actually be the Tele Troublemaker, Fender scale length HH, stop bar tailpiece, tune o matic bridge, mahogany body with a maple top, mahogany neck, rosewood board. US and MIJ versions.
That said Burstbuckers and WRH and very different animals
That 'A' power chord at 10:48 was awesome......sounded like that intro 'A' chord in ERUPTION 🤘
IMO, you have to let the Gibson sort of 'play you' in that IF you play it a certain way it gives you that classic tone, but, if you really bear down on it, then it can only go so far......they (Gibsons) also aren't as good clean and sound best with light to moderate gain.
The Fenders are more dynamic and have better range concerning dynamic volume and can handle very clean to very distorted.
Imo, this is mainly because of the scale length, but, the bolt on (maple) neck also has alot to do with it. Hardtail or trem, the Fenders still have that resonance and articulation.
To my ear they sound very similar. Maybe Fender is juat a tad clearer, perhaps just a little less compressed when played chords. Both sound really good though.
Thanks!
You know whats really notorious? The sound of the pick. For me at least...Width Range pickups are more edgie and sound more lo-fi as well. Have you ever listened an old radio? Or maybe a blues harp played in one of thouse old microphones? Hope I make myself clear ... is just that overall...theres no way you can put them both togheter and doubt about it.
Great video. Tele’s are very versatile guitars and great for rhythm but for lead they don’t have that singing 70’s rock lead tone that’s instantly recognisable when you hear players like Slash. Also Schenker’s tone on a Flying V and Angus on his sg. I’ve never heard anyone make a Tele sound like that. Gary Moore tried but his Les Paul tone is so much better. I do love Rick Parfitt’s rhythm tone on a Tele though.
Loving the sound of that Telecaster!
I preferred the clearer tone and more dynamic sound of the Fender.
Thanks
They sound nearly identical because there's an insane amount of clipping from distortion. You won't hear the subtlety without playing clean.
The Gibson has a warmer sound but the Telecaster has a sound with more clarity and attack. It's hard to pick one as a winner. Both are very good.
No neck pickup tested at all, or did I miss it? I would be particulary interested in it! Never mind, great tones as usual. I preferred the Tely, if only the Deluxe looked as sexy as 50`s Telecasters... 😅
The les Paul has a shorter scale length, therefore it easier to bend a note.
Even a shuttle bend that you can’t even notice.
This maybe a reason why you enjoy listening to single notes on the les Paul.
interesting that a well known Les Paul legend, James Dean Bradfield, used a 70’s Tele Thinline with the same pickups as the deluxe, on some classic Manics recordings which you might easily presume to be les paul sounds.
Luthier I was discussing this with mentioned scale length specifically as defining the two (you can always swap pickups, but you are still going to have the inherent qualities of the guitar). Actually pushed even further with the clarity and broadband with Alumitone pickups.
I have no inherent knowledge about this. Just passing on what I heard.
Scale length is indeed a fundamental characteristic
I'm more into clean tones than what you were playing, but for me my Vintera road worn tele deluxe is a much more interesting and musical sound than Gibson PAF type humbuckers, which I usually don't like as much - they are compressed and middy sounding, good for distortion I suppose. I'm astounded at how good these wide-frequency humbuckers (WFHB) sound, they are like two single-coils next to each other, three poles from each used to magnify the strings, resulting in a more single-coil tone with more highs and better clarity. I'm not sold on the CuNiFe version of the WFHB, some makers use AlNiCo instead with excellent results, Lindy Fralin for one - his supposedly sound even better than originals. It's the pickup design - more than CuNiFe magnets for threaded poles, which creates the wonderful tone these WFHB pickups generate. They may be my favorite pickups, along with Jazzmaster, and Telecaster, and P-90, and Dynasonic, and Firebird, and...etc. Please include more clean tones when doing comparison videos, although you prefer the overdriven and distorted sounds providing clean tones allows us to better differentiate between pickups. Cheers Johan!
I wonder how that tele compares to a les paul with p90s?
I really need to get a P90 guitar for the channel!
nice playing johan,
i think i like the lp just because it is the lp.
Thanks Ed! Great to hear that!
Gotta heave both!
Sounds like a good one.
Cheers Darrell! :-)
I'm very curious to see how that telecaster would stack up against an sg.
As someone who has never been able to get on with an LP (nothing to do with how it sounds which is amazing) but finds a deluxe really comfortable to play I have to say that the Gibson sounds better all round. Not enough to make a big difference - but I will stay with my Deluxe.
The good thing is that players who have problems with the shape,weight and construction of a les paul have a good alternative to a les paul which sounds similar but plays to their liking
Yeah indeed. Playability is always the top priority
Acc i think this is a v interesting comparison bc its rly 2 tbings that make the diff.. one is the scale length and thats why the fender is brighter and snappier while the gibson is meatier. The other is wood, shape of the design, and pickups. Those who think wood doesnt make a difference are lying because every individual guitar sounds diff and thats due to the wood. You can take the pups out of the fender and put them in the gib and it wont sound like the fender. Either way tho….. the explorer is the best guitar gibson makes. You have the low end of the lp and the growl with the mid punch of the sg.
The difference with more definition and clarity has a lot to do with Fenders longer scale length. I don't know if it's the right way to describe it but I thought it was fun when I heard the description long ago:
"Fender 25,5 inch scalelength is a bit like listening to a well trained choir singing. Gibson is more the like the untrained and slightly drunk choir."
Anyway, both has its place for sure. ❤
Like others, I'm shocked at how similar they are ... and by the fact that I gravitate toward the Tele. Just one more guitar to add to my shopping list. Sigh!
Hi, Johan!
I am allways prefer alnico 2, but I have 2 Stratocasters, and they sound different - one is natural and one is black. So I think, Gibson fans will say "Gibson", and Fender guys will say "Fender". I liked more Telecaster, its very nice. But the best was Washburn Laminator HB. They were perfect. Today they are very rare. But the sound is very nice! See you!
S.
Interesting, I have to check out that Washburn! Cheers
I had no idea that the Telecaster Deluxe would be so fat and aggressive! Now I am intrigued to try one out 😁
I liked the Fender better in all of your comparisons. I have one of each of those guitars, so I may have to try the comparison on my own, but not thru a puny Marshall Super Lead, lol. I will use my 180 Watt Fender Super Twin Reverb. Just kidding, I will probably do the comparison with my high gain Sovtek Tube Midget into a 4 x 10 cabinet I built with Weber classic alnico speakers.
Thanks Michael! The Super Twin is indeed a beast 😆
They both sound amazing but the les Paul’s just got that thing. I know vibrato is easier on a Gibson so maybe it the way you play it that I like better.
Thanks Dan! Yeah the play pretty differently
Tele livelier and sweeter, open sounding. Les Paul darker slightly muffled sound. The wood and pickups have an effect on the tone.
How about the Deluxe vs the SG? The brighter more open SG might sound more similar to the Deluxe 👍
Thanks, I’m gonna try that too!
Even though I prefer the standard Telecaster with 2 single pickups, I liked the Tele hh more, Les Paul for my perception sound very muddy..
So all the old tele "72" customs had 1 meg pots in them, hence the "weak" bridge sound (there is this telecaster bible that says they had 250k pots but so far real life evidence seems to contradict it), does deluxes also have 1 meg pots because that would be another part of the tone chasing here, if so.
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I have Thinline version of Telly and I always go for it instead of Les Paul.
Les Paul is so much fuller and maintains tone better in each case without phasing out or falling off. Fender makes noise. Gibson makes tones.
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Both sound great. Can i have your setup please?
I am thinking of trading a 335 for a tele deluxe, so.... I come to the mountain to see what the Master thinks
Both sound fantastic really. There's more warmth, bass and sustain from the LP. The Deluxe has some grit and balls with that pushes those crunchy upper mids. Amp sounds killer by the way!
Fender fmt hh is the closest to a Les Paul, all mahogany set neck maple top Duncan pickups Fender scale length
the wide range pickups are the biggest difference in my opinion. much wider frequency range (I assume thats' why they called it wide range). Original WR humbuckers really do sound like very big fat single coils. I'll bet the tele would sound very close to the LP with those humbuckers installed
Yeah, wider range indeed. But some of the wider range comes from the longer scale length. Would be interesting to try PAF and Widerange in the same guitar
@@JohanSegeborn I don't recommend installing wide range in the LP :) too much sawdust in your loft
I had the screen off when the first guitar sounded. I thought 'for sure this is the Les Paul.' Nope!
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XL?
I think the true winner is that amp
On single notes the Les Paul sings!
Indeed! Cheers
You need one more guitar hanger on your wall! 😂
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250k pots will have more clarity than 500K pot in Les Paul.
Punchy that Telecaster. LP sounds like mudfest, when put up like that
This video exposes the fallacy/lie that, in trying to compete with the mighty Les Paul during that era, fender brought out the deluxe and it failed to compete!
All the extreme weight and expensive woods the Gibson has hasn't radically altered its sound after all
Yeah the Fender is indeed a viable alternative to Les Paul
Its 95% electronics..,. Not body wood or shape
I think it’s 1. pickup placement 2. Scale length 3. Pickup design. 4. Wood etc geometric quality
@@JohanSegeborn yep, and 0. The amp
Squier has been making some blatant gibson ripoffs as of late, so mahbe a fender can cover the ground both do