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I want to ask what you think about this. I love your view point that horus gets killed by sanguineous falling to the black rage and then it's sanguineous vs big daddy e. But one thing that was never covered was if the emperor has to fight and kill sanguineous does that mean they could leave room open for the emperor not destroying horus's soul? What is your opinion?
Octarius, the number one holiday destination for orks and the most genius idea that an inquisitor has ever had. One that will never ever back fire horribly on imperium. Inquisitors really can’t help but escalate can’t they.
@@robertnelson9599 Admittedly primachs have proven that “demigods” are fallible, but let’s set the record straight: too many inquisitors think they know better than their “god”.
The octarius War was a desperate choice, the imperium was losing too many worlds so they decide tò put orks and tyranids ( me i am a swarm lord) i a never ending War that we tyranids win
And reason why TTS Emperor should rethink his opinion on Kryptman even if Rogal and Custodes have misgivings about him. Odd that kitten didn’t mention his shenanigan, especially Octarius and his exterminated on planets to weaken Tyranids but doing jack since it also weakened the Imperium as well.
No matter the result, this was hands down one of the most badass moments in all of 40k. The literal "when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object". This was a glorious moment and gave me goosebumps. I'm also a huge ork fanboy
Exactly ... I play Snakebites who are mostly made of the beast snagga boys and kitbashed tyranid + ork (sometimes AoS) based stuff and I love it. I love the lore and the thought of a beast hunter clan. It's different but that's what I love about them.
Kryptman: "Gaze upon the ork filth, see how they weep at their own destruction!" Orkz: *wiping away tears "Dis iz da best day o' me life! WAAAAAAAGH!!!"
I just love that within the war there's a story of a warboss who created a crown that completely destabilized the hivemind around him. Something no one else can recreate. Orcs at their finest
You said it was the best option, but it backfired so much that it created 10 times the worst mess then it was in the beginning. So probably just doing something else even if they will be casualties wood be smarter.
@@adi.g3211 what was realistically another option? They could not muster enough defences to fight it. Seemingly the other option was risking it making it to the Sol system and annihalating it there.
Well he actually left because Ghazghkulls whole goal is to unite all orks under his banner. And since the overfiend of octarius pledged his fealty to Ghazghkull then there was no reason for him to stay. So he travelled elsewhere to unite for orks to his cause
He already tried capturing Tyranids. An entire hivefleet he did. They kept breaking out of stasis and breaking other exibits until Trazyn got fed up and just deleted it.
I don't think it's all bad for the Imperium. It bought precious time to study the Tyranids and learn new ways to fight them, and for multiple Primarchs to return.
Yes, however, that time is being used to sharpen an army of the most elite fighters in the entire Tyrranid army. This would be like Brazil, having sat World War II out, being the ones behind Pearl Harbor to get the US and Japan to fight each other. Afterwards, the US military had taken all the experience and sharpened it into a very sharp sword. Brazil would have in trying to weaken both armies, created a monster. The military of 1946 was far stronger than the military of 1942.
True, but you're only looking at the negatives. Even though the tyranids are stronger, the ork empire has been wiped out, and their mighty whaaag broken. This gives the imperium less enemies to have to contend with. Tyranids are not the only ones who can adapt and survive. Besides, even if the tyranids grow stronger, all that ork biomass is going to make them evolve more orkish which in my opinion is a good thing for the imperium as the orks are more straight forward fighters, and therefore simpler to contend with, not like chaos or the eldar.
This was the Alien Vs Predator Arc of Warhammer, though both sides came out stronger (more so the Nids) the Orcs themselves are definitely gonna need that strength if they’re fully committed to going after Angron for what he did to Yarrick.
@@SilasKeonThey lost because they were attacked at night. Make that make sense. Do they have to sleep? Can they not see in the dark? How did the night attack cause them to lose so horribly? If it is a "night is dark and they cannot see and literally have zero night vision tech" situation, then the orks are kind of doomed as a faction if all you need to do to wipe the floor with them now is attack when it is dark. No models have torches, lamps, spotlights, or lanterns. Up until now I 100% assumed that they could sense enemies in the dark, but this story confirms otherwise. The hiveminds all know now "go after ever ork world first now for easy biomass and a guaranteed win if you just attack at night."
If I'm understanding correctly, the hive fleet dropped genestealers in with the rest of their force Maybe they were like paratroopers or something? Go in quiet, lay low, get the drop on the enemy after they think there's nothing there type deal Edit: Just wanted to add this on, hive fleet Behemoth did the same thing in the first tyrannic war. They buried the genestealers under a mound of dead gaunts and popped them up behind the smurfs.
Generally yes but there are times where genestealers can infiltrate ork society. It's usually among feral orks or Freebooterz since they're already pretty "unorky".
I really think the Orks are the galaxy's only true hope against the Tyranids. The insanity of the Orks seem like the only group who can adjust their fighting as much as the Nids, though not through thoughtfulness and logic but "can't fight as much as we want"
@@danendraarkananta9442 Necrons are finite and can’t reproduce/create more necrons + plus there is high chance that there going to be a massive civil war between the Silent king and the Stormlord in the future.
@@kamaeq True but that’s were Necron civil wars come into play, wiping themselves slowly out. A Civil war between the Storm lord and silent king would be massive. As long as there isn’t an extinctions level threat to there entire race the Necrons will not unite.
I'm sceptical that the device even worked. One, it probably relied on the Waaaggh field and wouldn't function for humans. Two, I'm sceptical that the Orks would even know about the Tyranid synapse network. Going after Ork tech just seems like a sucker bet to me.
If the theory of the Tyranids being creations of Old Ones meant to cleanse the galaxy and consume biomass is true, then it's fitting they fight the Orks/Krorks - made by Old Ones who forgot to put an Off Switch on them during the War In Heaven.
@@comanderdre1569The Eldar at their peak can create matter out of seemingly nothing with their Warp Powers. The Old Ones are stronger than the Eldar so should be able to recreate and even improve on that ability.
The Imperium's mistake here was that for the most part they just stood back from the Ork worlds in Octarius and let the Orks and 'Nids go at it. Their best bet would've been to have a good-sized fleet keeping as close a watch as possible while staying out of the 'Nid ships' way. And then one the action has gone fully planet-side, Exterminatus. But I suppose with the whole Shadow in the Warp, it would be really hard to get the timing right on that.
the irony of the 40k universe is, Orkz would be the greatest ally to humanity if we ever teamed up, we're more alike than we are different (from a warhammer standpoint)
The issue is that the nids sell more models and have more players. Along with having less models that needed drastic updates. And we all know that GW is gonna take the past of monetary gain. Though I have to admit, as a nids player, it's nice to finally have the spotlight instead of chaos.
F yes! There needs to be novels about this! I still find it dumb that the orks “lost” with almost no info other than that the warlord was killed by the swarmlord…
what if THATS the warhammer series henry cavil is working on? he himself plays the ork warlord, and shows all his glorious moments of trying to kill all DEZ ZOGGIN BUGS WIT DA BOYZ! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!
@@jackfrostpaintballNah, Henry is apparently an Imperium player. Chances are he's gonna play one of the primarchs or at least an influencial Commisar Samoa Joe has shown interest in the project. I thought he'd look good as a Chaos Marine, but with good prosthetics, he could make a good ork as well
@@ivanivan744 Before he picked up Custodes, Henry exclusively played Blood Angels and Salamanders. He likes playing the chapters who are the most kind to the average human (flesh tearers notwithstanding), because Henry Cavill is a Good Boy. Unsurprising that he made a perfect Superman. His two favorite characters are Sanguinius and Constantine Valdor, and he talked about not wanting to play a "lowly" inquisitor when he could play Hawkboy or Constantine. My money is on him playing Valdor, although a winged Henry Cavill breaking Ka'bandha's back over his knee is a badass mental image.
To be fair, considering that the Tyranids adapt to become able to destroy specifically just their enemies while the orks adaptation turns them stronger, faster and smarter it was probably for the best that Tyranids managed to win, since otherwise we probably would have another ghazghkull if the orks won
It should have produced a ghazghkull like ork boss and just have ghazghkull kill him. Then Ghaz would have the stronger octarius vets at his disposal. He is getting much better set up than the Beast so Ghaz getting the main character treatment is good especially turning into a Krork.
@@littlejohn8435nah he wouldn't have turned into a krork, he's literally just the size of the beast's nobz now, and the beast used to literally just kick them around for fun
So I guess the Tau are the only ones that didn't make it to the party in Octarius 😂😂😂 It is surprising that we don't see more often orks and Khorne's demons together, since the orks take war to wherever they go, I would have guessed that Khorne or his minions would try to follow them.
There was a world eater warband called *the blood legion of khorne* that teamed up with the orkboss *Gorguts* the destroy an imperial world. Bu they then fight against eachother over a Emperor class titan
In Brutal Kunnin, a Khornite Demon engine referrs to the Orks as "The Abhorrent". Basically lamentet that the Orks are too invested in Gork and Mork, and too one minded to be tempted.
Find it quite a silly thing that the Tyranids arguably one of if not the most efficient faction with potentials to not just create worlds inside conquered territories to mass produce orks so they have a constant supply of biomass
that can be a dangerous game the tyranids, which i think they learned from the tyranids. the more you fight orks the more they get stronger and the more orks that will flock from around the galaxy. i think the hivemind saw how much damage the orks were doing to the tyranid forms and decided that it wasn't worth the risk of farming them when they had easy targets such as imperium and tau worlds to feast on.
Super deadly if they try. If they fail to handle the critical mass, which will always be pushing due to ork nature, the result could devastate the nids and the rest of the galaxy
Ork spores still need nutrients to grow, just like any organism does. The Tyranids are just better off harvesting the soil/oxygen of the planet and moving on.
I think if the orks had one, it would have been the perfect opportunity for GW to bring back some Krorks just on the table top this time as that would be awesome!
Nah. The prime of the ork evolution would be a bit wasted on a narative side story for one specialist game where they could not even appear. (And a few white dwarf articles) If we take that the beast was a krork then we know they must be orks who are thousand pf years pld and constand fighting. If a krork will appear it is most likely Ghazgull with an power up.
I remember one time I looked up if it was still cannon that the tyranids were running from something much scarier than themselves and I found this really odd story about warhammer 50K. I don't remember if it was an old hammer story or a fan made one. Any way it was about how the orktarious war went on for so long that the orks and tyranids basically merged into one species combining tyranid bio engineering, the orks ability to make anything out of scrap, and both species shared tenacity, adaptability, and ruthlessness into one super race that all but concurred the galaxy, even fighting other tytranids, and just before they took Terry they realized there was something bigger for them to fight and leave the galaxy.
Warhammer 50k, The Shape of the Nightmare to come and 60k: Age of Dusk, great bunch of alternate fanfiction that started a bit before Necrons got changed and carried on till the 40k story actually progressed with the fall of Cadia.
I will keep asking for this because if there is one thing all 40k factions have in common it's being stubborn as all hell: Could you make a video on how someone could permanently kill one of the 4 chaos gods and (more interestingly) what would happen if they did ?
"what would happen if they did ?" Nothing Realspace was already doing alright before the Chaos Gods manifested ( War in Heaven ) And you could say the same for the Warp as well So yeah
If one Chaos God is gone, the other Chaos Gods will swoop in and fill in the power vacancy, claiming more domain and influence in the Warp. Followers of a dead Chaos God would find themselves bereft of any power and blessing they had, becoming hollow shells.
@@bahmot9501 You're thinking that it'll be something massive that would break the setting but no Beside for the said gods followers effectively burning themselves out of extinction The end result is still the same Realspace is still on fire and the Warp would still be a cesspool But only with 1 less God to worry about lol
Hey Majorkill, could you make a video explaining what would happen if one of the two disappeared primarchs was trapped over the imperial palace on earth and reappeared in this momentary scenario of the 40k universe, bringing a whirlwind of problems or not. I think that would be extremely badass.
Thanks for Tacticus code! Tacticus is how the Octarius War was introduced to me. I would LOVE a novel from Mike Brooks detailing events in the war from the Ork perspective. Warboss and Brutal Kunnin' are some of the best GW novels I've listened to. The audiobook voice acting is superb.
A good- Timed Exterminatus on Octaria right after the Dead of the Overfiend could have been the Ultimate Strike from the Imperium, turning the Octarius War in the Success it was planned. What a missed Opportunity.
It takes a lot of space-borne supremacy in an area to pull off an exterminautus. I don’t think the imperium could’ve done that, or even conjured enough ships to do a major planetary bombardment
@@josephnavarro2168and why would only one ship go there? Even if you lost a whole or even several battlefleets performing such exterminatus, a decapitation strike on both factions of the Octarious war would have been a better outcome than what actually happened.
Be Ghazghkull: >walk into one of the largest cosmic slaughters in the last millenias >singlehandidly take out of of the enemy super organisms >"Zog it, this is boring" >leave
What would be great is if Ghazghkul became the new bulwark against the Tyranids, and just when the Swarmlord he's fighting gains the upper hand and starts cutting him down, Trazyn the Infinite drops a Krork on the battlefield, the Krork picks the Swarmlord up with its hand and bites the Swarmlord's head off, instantly getting Ghazghkul to swear fealty to the Krork and turning the tide against the Tyranids as all of Orks get a major WAAAGH boost just by being in the Krork's presence.
It would certainly help, but its possible that the hivemind is a combination of the psychic connection between every tyranid, meaning unless you could disrupt the connections between them ALL everywhere all at once and for a long while there would still be a hivemind large enough to outdo any human brainpower and chances are what is left would still take out whatever you were using to disrupt them from communicating. Imagine if every tyranid was a small chunk of the hivemind, and as more get added to that network the hivemind gets mentally powered up. Its like an array of raspberry pis being used to mine bitcoin, after you connect enough of them together they're powerful, but when you sever the link they aren't amazing.
This is probably the best short description of the hive mind I've seen. I dislike the theories that paint the hive mind as some kind of controlling AI.@@NeoIsrafil
awesome video man! i'm new to the warhammer world and you are basically my guide right now and I'm watching everything chaos related because they are becoming my favorite faction now. without you i will be lost. thank you so much man. Also i'm playing tacticus right now so i appreciate the code there mate.
The weirdest thing about tyranids is that they can not create biomass, and they have to steal it from other living beings. Orks, however, can make more orks out of dead staff. However, they need good fighting to keep up their numbers. These two factions are built to complement each other.
The main goal of the Tyranids is genetic material, biomass is secondary. Biomass you can get from gas giant planets. Even the moon of Saturn, Titan is a huge depot of biomass.
What he means is that all the nids need are the essential materials of life, which are surprisingly plentiful throughout most solar systems. @@Captain_Crump
@jonathancrump1263 main thing you need is CHON carbon hydrogen oxygen and nitrogen. Plus trace amounts of other nutrients. All of these are readily available throughout the galaxy.
I really want a video on what the Alpha Legion, Night Lords, and Thousand Sons are up too into the current setting. I know the Alpha Legion are up to alot, but it seems like everyone is the consolidating into bigger forces than they have been in 10k years lately.
I will be honest I was a bit off put by your channel at first but then I realized that I liked it and how you remind me of a friend of mine who lives down under. Fun fact: the orks LOVE tyranid teef. It's the most valuable form of teef for them. It's like investing in gold currency for us.
one big nid fanwank this. writers using every single OP loop hole the nids have while limiting the orks with every loophole they had. With such neverending battles Ork evolution should go into hyperdrive. Remember that the LACK OF FIGHTING is what caused the Krorks to become Orks, and having a fight that is near infinite due to how nids work it was a clear case to see atleast the first crude Krork forms beginning to walk the battlefield.
Inquisitor: "We've got Nids...we've got greenskins...so to solve the problem...(slap hands together) Flunky: "My lord, we now have Super Nids and Proto Krokks!!!" Inquisitor: SIGH...(hand strays to the 'Exterminatus' button.')
Flunky: sir the entire system is flooding out the tyranids and orks! I don't think an exterminatus will stop them. Inquisitor: oh I know, it's not for them. It's for their pit stops... *mopedly bombs imperial worlds that happen to be in the tyranids or orks path*
Apparently the Nids now have some kind of huge bioship thing. Good luck 6 Raven Guard players because you're apparently the ones who have to deal with it. Day 248 of requesting a Commissar Yarrick Major Mini pls
I remember reading somewhere that the Tyranids winning the Octarius War was the better alternative. If the Orks won, there was a good chance the conflict would have eventually spawn an Ork Warboss on the level of the Beast, that meant Krorks (who are around the same level as a Primarch) and crazy super weapons like Attack Moons.
@@deathfromthedepths a moon actually, it's newest lore, so no one knows anything about it yet, it's too early to be scared, maybe it's more weakness than power for tyranids?
I still think the Tyrannid are a devolved Old One creation. Likely a biological STC, acting as both a repository and resequencer of genetic information and a 3d printer. The hive mind is likely analogous to the tje interface AI. It may even have been a backup to recreate all the other races in a new galaxy or if all life in ours is wiped out. But much like the Orks, without the Old Ones, the proto-nids began to mutate and evolve into the first norn queens.
I think so. The sheer amount of similarities between them and the orks is uncanny. Orks: You're just a cheap f*****g knockoff! Tyranids: Oh no, no. I'm the upgrade.
I used to be a Nid player. I hated the way GW took the nids after Macragge. They just amped up all the monstrous creatures and lost the swarm mentality
Imagine Ghazghkull and Angron taking their fight to the Octarius Sector. The whole sector is like a power kegg waiting to go off. I can't wait for it to explode.
Hey Mk, just to share my appreciation by me going to the gym after I’m expresso with a d in front, listening by downloading your video’s audio telling stories is helping instead of listening to music
This video autoplayed while I was riding my bike to work...the first thought I have was "wow, that is one chill ork explaining warhammer lore" (no offense meant) as an apology, I've subscribed and looking forward to more videos.
So, I was slowly gaining some 40k lore knowledge and went “hey, tyranids and orks are everywhere and orks love battle, isn’t the best plan just to put them against eachother and neutralize two of the biggest threats at the same time?” And it’s nice to know that 1: someone already thought of it. 2: it’s a legendary fuckin battle. 3: IT WAS A COLOSSALLY BAD IDEA IN EVERY WAY
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I want to ask what you think about this. I love your view point that horus gets killed by sanguineous falling to the black rage and then it's sanguineous vs big daddy e. But one thing that was never covered was if the emperor has to fight and kill sanguineous does that mean they could leave room open for the emperor not destroying horus's soul? What is your opinion?
The idea of ork spores fighting on a microscopic level is hilarious
Tiny green fungi men screaming "Waaaagggghhhh!!!!"
@@laxminarayananks1520Fffffuuuuuunnnnggggghhhhhaaaa!
@laxminarayananks1520 just little guys making a difference
Everyone was involved lmao
Fite iz fite!
Octarius, the number one holiday destination for orks and the most genius idea that an inquisitor has ever had. One that will never ever back fire horribly on imperium. Inquisitors really can’t help but escalate can’t they.
Guilliman created the Codex Astartes so no single person would have too much power. The Inquisition decided they knew better than a literal demigod.
@@robertnelson9599 Admittedly primachs have proven that “demigods” are fallible, but let’s set the record straight: too many inquisitors think they know better than their “god”.
Like throwing water on a grease fire
The octarius War was a desperate choice, the imperium was losing too many worlds so they decide tò put orks and tyranids ( me i am a swarm lord) i a never ending War that we tyranids win
And reason why TTS Emperor should rethink his opinion on Kryptman even if Rogal and Custodes have misgivings about him.
Odd that kitten didn’t mention his shenanigan, especially Octarius and his exterminated on planets to weaken Tyranids but doing jack since it also weakened the Imperium as well.
No matter the result, this was hands down one of the most badass moments in all of 40k. The literal "when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object". This was a glorious moment and gave me goosebumps. I'm also a huge ork fanboy
more like when one unstoppable force meets another unstoppable force xD
The true loser was Khorne, all that Melee and HE was never invited!
Exactly ... I play Snakebites who are mostly made of the beast snagga boys and kitbashed tyranid + ork (sometimes AoS) based stuff and I love it. I love the lore and the thought of a beast hunter clan. It's different but that's what I love about them.
WAAAAGH!
Wagghhhhhh
Kryptman: "Gaze upon the ork filth, see how they weep at their own destruction!"
Orkz: *wiping away tears "Dis iz da best day o' me life! WAAAAAAAGH!!!"
I just love that within the war there's a story of a warboss who created a crown that completely destabilized the hivemind around him. Something no one else can recreate. Orcs at their finest
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Inquisitor Kryptman got excommunicated by the Inquisition for going too far even by their standards in trying to contain the Tyranid threat.
He got *fired*
diverting the Tyranids into Octarius was not Kryptman's best idea.
@@ltcinsanebut it was the best option they had.
You said it was the best option, but it backfired so much that it created 10 times the worst mess then it was in the beginning. So probably just doing something else even if they will be casualties wood be smarter.
@@adi.g3211 what was realistically another option? They could not muster enough defences to fight it. Seemingly the other option was risking it making it to the Sol system and annihalating it there.
I can't believe ghazghkull thraka got bored of the biggest fight in this space sector with nearly every faction in this fight.
Yarrick wasn't there, so he didn't give a shit.
He was pulled away so they had an excuse not to kill him and have the Nids win.
Turbo Red killed his best bud and sparing partner, some things are even more important than a scrap. Kill stealing is never cool
Well he actually left because Ghazghkulls whole goal is to unite all orks under his banner. And since the overfiend of octarius pledged his fealty to Ghazghkull then there was no reason for him to stay. So he travelled elsewhere to unite for orks to his cause
He bounces around the galaxy increasing all orks WAAAGH
It would be funny if Trazyn captures the battlefield between Orks and Tyranids, and add them to his ever growing collection.
He already tried capturing Tyranids. An entire hivefleet he did.
They kept breaking out of stasis and breaking other exibits until Trazyn got fed up and just deleted it.
@@IsmaelSantos-xv9qfhe could just make better stasis methods, but it would take a while
Imagine if the Tyranids got their claws on Trazyn's collection, and all the extremely rare genetic samples it contains... Now THAT would be scary.
@@bengara385 Clonegrim, the Krork and first Gen Custodians alone would be scary
@@fuchsmichael93Don’t forget the slaver and War in Heaven Eldar.
Nids: we will fight you and never stop coming in an unending tide until either you or us are all dead.
Orks: your terms are acceptable
Nids: b e t
GUD!!!
WAAAAGH!
SCREEEEEE!
I don't think it's all bad for the Imperium. It bought precious time to study the Tyranids and learn new ways to fight them, and for multiple Primarchs to return.
True
Yes, however, that time is being used to sharpen an army of the most elite fighters in the entire Tyrranid army. This would be like Brazil, having sat World War II out, being the ones behind Pearl Harbor to get the US and Japan to fight each other. Afterwards, the US military had taken all the experience and sharpened it into a very sharp sword. Brazil would have in trying to weaken both armies, created a monster. The military of 1946 was far stronger than the military of 1942.
True, but you're only looking at the negatives. Even though the tyranids are stronger, the ork empire has been wiped out, and their mighty whaaag broken. This gives the imperium less enemies to have to contend with. Tyranids are not the only ones who can adapt and survive. Besides, even if the tyranids grow stronger, all that ork biomass is going to make them evolve more orkish which in my opinion is a good thing for the imperium as the orks are more straight forward fighters, and therefore simpler to contend with, not like chaos or the eldar.
This was the Alien Vs Predator Arc of Warhammer, though both sides came out stronger (more so the Nids) the Orcs themselves are definitely gonna need that strength if they’re fully committed to going after Angron for what he did to Yarrick.
Well, apparently they cannot fight at night now, so I would say they have become far weaker lorewise.
Wait when
@@KCUFyoufordoxingme the orks or the tyranids?
@@Bass-ef3drI think he meant the Orks tho it doesn't make sense aswell since fungi can pretty much grow without sunlight.
@@SilasKeonThey lost because they were attacked at night. Make that make sense. Do they have to sleep? Can they not see in the dark? How did the night attack cause them to lose so horribly? If it is a "night is dark and they cannot see and literally have zero night vision tech" situation, then the orks are kind of doomed as a faction if all you need to do to wipe the floor with them now is attack when it is dark. No models have torches, lamps, spotlights, or lanterns. Up until now I 100% assumed that they could sense enemies in the dark, but this story confirms otherwise. The hiveminds all know now "go after ever ork world first now for easy biomass and a guaranteed win if you just attack at night."
Don't Orks sense genestealers straight away? They sense somethings off and kill them instantly, so the Genestealers are never able to get a foothold.
They sense by noticing why a genstealer isn't acting like Ork XD
If I'm understanding correctly, the hive fleet dropped genestealers in with the rest of their force
Maybe they were like paratroopers or something? Go in quiet, lay low, get the drop on the enemy after they think there's nothing there type deal
Edit: Just wanted to add this on, hive fleet Behemoth did the same thing in the first tyrannic war. They buried the genestealers under a mound of dead gaunts and popped them up behind the smurfs.
In cannon lore yes..Orks can identify a genestealer quickly
Generally yes but there are times where genestealers can infiltrate ork society. It's usually among feral orks or Freebooterz since they're already pretty "unorky".
According to the writer I've seen both
I really think the Orks are the galaxy's only true hope against the Tyranids. The insanity of the Orks seem like the only group who can adjust their fighting as much as the Nids, though not through thoughtfulness and logic but "can't fight as much as we want"
No its necrons or unified necrons empire + ctan under the silent king
@@danendraarkananta9442 Necrons are finite and can’t reproduce/create more necrons + plus there is high chance that there going to be a massive civil war between the Silent king and the Stormlord in the future.
The empire will have to back them. Primarces are back
@@outerheaven4384But according to some of the lore the "software" of Necrons is saved even if the chassis is unable to reform.
@@kamaeq True but that’s were Necron civil wars come into play, wiping themselves slowly out. A Civil war between the Storm lord and silent king would be massive. As long as there isn’t an extinctions level threat to there entire race the Necrons will not unite.
That part with the Inquisitor and the Death Watch trying to use a stolen Ork device but died killed me. 😆
I'm sceptical that the device even worked. One, it probably relied on the Waaaggh field and wouldn't function for humans. Two, I'm sceptical that the Orks would even know about the Tyranid synapse network. Going after Ork tech just seems like a sucker bet to me.
@RJALEXANDER777 that was the problem. The device only worked for Orks because they believed it worked. Was literally useless for anyone not an ork
It killed them, too.
If the theory of the Tyranids being creations of Old Ones meant to cleanse the galaxy and consume biomass is true, then it's fitting they fight the Orks/Krorks - made by Old Ones who forgot to put an Off Switch on them during the War In Heaven.
Sound bit too much Halo
@@furanduron4926 You think that would stop GW?
@@Mister-Thirteenfair 'nuff.
Ig we forget that nids leave planets barren rocks and there's no old ones left or anything to reseed life
@@comanderdre1569The Eldar at their peak can create matter out of seemingly nothing with their Warp Powers. The Old Ones are stronger than the Eldar so should be able to recreate and even improve on that ability.
You know what would be hype af, if that really popular Ork boss evolved into a Krok.
Margaret Thatcher?
You talking the giant boy made of ork corpses?
Ghazghkull?
Shrek?
The Imperium's mistake here was that for the most part they just stood back from the Ork worlds in Octarius and let the Orks and 'Nids go at it. Their best bet would've been to have a good-sized fleet keeping as close a watch as possible while staying out of the 'Nid ships' way. And then one the action has gone fully planet-side, Exterminatus. But I suppose with the whole Shadow in the Warp, it would be really hard to get the timing right on that.
the irony of the 40k universe is, Orkz would be the greatest ally to humanity if we ever teamed up, we're more alike than we are different (from a warhammer standpoint)
Blood Axes
The orks deserved to win Octarius. They are always whipped in the 40K setting and it would have been cool to have a proper ork threat emerge.
Even if the orks lose they win
They got there moment during the WAAAGH of the beast.
But I also would have preferred an ork victory.
@@Turnil321 so would the imperium apparently lmao
This was sum bullshit, da boys getten krumped by some bugs
The issue is that the nids sell more models and have more players. Along with having less models that needed drastic updates. And we all know that GW is gonna take the past of monetary gain. Though I have to admit, as a nids player, it's nice to finally have the spotlight instead of chaos.
Inquisitor Kryptman: "LET'S YOU AND HIM FIGHT!" *pits the Orks and Tyranids against each other*
Inquisitor Kryptman: "Wait...they're getting stronger?!"
(Surprised Pikachu face)
@@SWProductions100OUTRAGEOUS!
04:30 - "shit was *fucked*" - a good summary of warhammer 40k
F yes! There needs to be novels about this! I still find it dumb that the orks “lost” with almost no info other than that the warlord was killed by the swarmlord…
what if THATS the warhammer series henry cavil is working on? he himself plays the ork warlord, and shows all his glorious moments of trying to kill all DEZ ZOGGIN BUGS WIT DA BOYZ! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!
@@jackfrostpaintballNah, Henry is apparently an Imperium player. Chances are he's gonna play one of the primarchs or at least an influencial Commisar
Samoa Joe has shown interest in the project. I thought he'd look good as a Chaos Marine, but with good prosthetics, he could make a good ork as well
@@ivanivan744 Before he picked up Custodes, Henry exclusively played Blood Angels and Salamanders. He likes playing the chapters who are the most kind to the average human (flesh tearers notwithstanding), because Henry Cavill is a Good Boy. Unsurprising that he made a perfect Superman.
His two favorite characters are Sanguinius and Constantine Valdor, and he talked about not wanting to play a "lowly" inquisitor when he could play Hawkboy or Constantine. My money is on him playing Valdor, although a winged Henry Cavill breaking Ka'bandha's back over his knee is a badass mental image.
Eisenhorn
@@ivanivan744 as an ork player i can dream cant i lolol. no lie though doesnt matter what it is im eagerly awaiting it.
As a tyranid enjoyer, this is one of my favourite moments in the whole setting
Heresy
To be fair, considering that the Tyranids adapt to become able to destroy specifically just their enemies while the orks adaptation turns them stronger, faster and smarter it was probably for the best that Tyranids managed to win, since otherwise we probably would have another ghazghkull if the orks won
It should have produced a ghazghkull like ork boss and just have ghazghkull kill him. Then Ghaz would have the stronger octarius vets at his disposal. He is getting much better set up than the Beast so Ghaz getting the main character treatment is good especially turning into a Krork.
@@littlejohn8435nah he wouldn't have turned into a krork, he's literally just the size of the beast's nobz now, and the beast used to literally just kick them around for fun
Problem is it wouldn't have been one ghazghkull.
It would have been A HORDE of ghazghkulls, which is worse.
So I guess the Tau are the only ones that didn't make it to the party in Octarius 😂😂😂
It is surprising that we don't see more often orks and Khorne's demons together, since the orks take war to wherever they go, I would have guessed that Khorne or his minions would try to follow them.
There was a world eater warband called *the blood legion of khorne* that teamed up with the orkboss *Gorguts* the destroy an imperial world. Bu they then fight against eachother over a Emperor class titan
@@anothershyguyYour comment was posted 24 seconds ago when I saw it. Nothing special but it is weird.
@@anothershyguy Now that you said it, that must be basically the only way the team ups between orks and khorne's legion can possibly end 😂
In Brutal Kunnin, a Khornite Demon engine referrs to the Orks as "The Abhorrent". Basically lamentet that the Orks are too invested in Gork and Mork, and too one minded to be tempted.
I like the idea of the orks looting dead Tyranid Body’s to construct Monster Hunter style carapace armour.
"Let them fight." - Inquisitor Serizawa probably
The thought of tiny Waaagh of ork spores shaped like ork heads fighting tiny tyranid micro-organisms is seriously hilarious
Find it quite a silly thing that the Tyranids arguably one of if not the most efficient faction with potentials to not just create worlds inside conquered territories to mass produce orks so they have a constant supply of biomass
that can be a dangerous game the tyranids, which i think they learned from the tyranids. the more you fight orks the more they get stronger and the more orks that will flock from around the galaxy. i think the hivemind saw how much damage the orks were doing to the tyranid forms and decided that it wasn't worth the risk of farming them when they had easy targets such as imperium and tau worlds to feast on.
Super deadly if they try. If they fail to handle the critical mass, which will always be pushing due to ork nature, the result could devastate the nids and the rest of the galaxy
I've been saying this forever, they can literally farm biomass.
Ork spores still need nutrients to grow, just like any organism does. The Tyranids are just better off harvesting the soil/oxygen of the planet and moving on.
Exactly what I have been thinking.
With how quickly Orkz grow, and grow from fighting. The Nids seem to now just have nearly infinite resources.
I think if the orks had one, it would have been the perfect opportunity for GW to bring back some Krorks just on the table top this time as that would be awesome!
Nah. The prime of the ork evolution would be a bit wasted on a narative side story for one specialist game where they could not even appear. (And a few white dwarf articles)
If we take that the beast was a krork then we know they must be orks who are thousand pf years pld and constand fighting. If a krork will appear it is most likely Ghazgull with an power up.
I remember one time I looked up if it was still cannon that the tyranids were running from something much scarier than themselves and I found this really odd story about warhammer 50K. I don't remember if it was an old hammer story or a fan made one. Any way it was about how the orktarious war went on for so long that the orks and tyranids basically merged into one species combining tyranid bio engineering, the orks ability to make anything out of scrap, and both species shared tenacity, adaptability, and ruthlessness into one super race that all but concurred the galaxy, even fighting other tytranids, and just before they took Terry they realized there was something bigger for them to fight and leave the galaxy.
Warhammer 50k, The Shape of the Nightmare to come and 60k: Age of Dusk, great bunch of alternate fanfiction that started a bit before Necrons got changed and carried on till the 40k story actually progressed with the fall of Cadia.
I will keep asking for this because if there is one thing all 40k factions have in common it's being stubborn as all hell:
Could you make a video on how someone could permanently kill one of the 4 chaos gods and (more interestingly) what would happen if they did ?
"what would happen if they did ?"
Nothing
Realspace was already doing alright before the Chaos Gods manifested ( War in Heaven )
And you could say the same for the Warp as well
So yeah
@@TheTDArts Ah yes, nothing would happen if you permanently removed one of the biggest faction leaders in the entire setting ... seems legit
If one Chaos God is gone, the other Chaos Gods will swoop in and fill in the power vacancy, claiming more domain and influence in the Warp.
Followers of a dead Chaos God would find themselves bereft of any power and blessing they had, becoming hollow shells.
@@rexlumontad5644 That's more like it
@@bahmot9501 You're thinking that it'll be something massive that would break the setting but no
Beside for the said gods followers effectively burning themselves out of extinction
The end result is still the same
Realspace is still on fire and the Warp would still be a cesspool
But only with 1 less God to worry about lol
Hey Majorkill, could you make a video explaining what would happen if one of the two disappeared primarchs was trapped over the imperial palace on earth and reappeared in this momentary scenario of the 40k universe, bringing a whirlwind of problems or not.
I think that would be extremely badass.
Uh oh. Fungus X Bugs.
So it's basically Hollow knight
Go Fungus.
@@michaelpetrovich5353spores frfr
Getting a video about how each of the pre heresy primarchs would rule and react to the current imperium as guilliman did would be pretty cool ngl !!
Thanks for Tacticus code! Tacticus is how the Octarius War was introduced to me. I would LOVE a novel from Mike Brooks detailing events in the war from the Ork perspective. Warboss and Brutal Kunnin' are some of the best GW novels I've listened to. The audiobook voice acting is superb.
No lie was hoping for a video like this! You never disappoint m8 😊
How each pre-heresy primarch would react to the current imperium when placed in Gullimans shoes would be s cool video idea
Yeah lets keep this up
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Wolf Lord Rho has a little series dedicated to things like this
@@generaljimmies3429 is it good?
@@jonathan6401 Yup, lots of Guilliman/Yvrayne content
The idea of the Hive mind throwing its hands up and getting frustrated will never not be funny
The art for the thumbnail is one of the coolest pieces of art I have seen from Warhammer 40k community. Great job Alex and Majorkill
Short version
One side is having fun, the other is having dinner.
Do a video on how each of the primarchs would have reacted if in gullimans position
Keep going
Yes
Yus
A good- Timed Exterminatus on Octaria right after the Dead of the Overfiend could have been the Ultimate Strike from the Imperium, turning the Octarius War in the Success it was planned.
What a missed Opportunity.
It takes a lot of space-borne supremacy in an area to pull off an exterminautus. I don’t think the imperium could’ve done that, or even conjured enough ships to do a major planetary bombardment
I doubt they would have been able to get a ship close enough before it got blown up by tyranids or orks
@@josephnavarro2168and why would only one ship go there?
Even if you lost a whole or even several battlefleets performing such exterminatus, a decapitation strike on both factions of the Octarious war would have been a better outcome than what actually happened.
i like stuff like this. i wanna hear more of Xeno fighting demons or even chaos fight xenos
Khornes boys showing up like " HEY YA'LL GOT ROOM FOR ONE MORE?!?!" 😂😂😂
I want fanart of tiny orc spores beating the shit out of tiny nid cells
I'm really digging the Tyranorc art! Great vid as usual, and yeah.. the Octarius War is absolutely BONKERS.
Ork Spores: "WAAAGH! microscopically"
Be Ghazghkull:
>walk into one of the largest cosmic slaughters in the last millenias
>singlehandidly take out of of the enemy super organisms
>"Zog it, this is boring"
>leave
If someone told the Orks. Drink this and you will be immune to all Tyrranids.... wouldn't that make them invincible to the nids?
I can't help but imagine the ork spores also yelling "WAAAAGH" while fighting the Tyranid micro organisms.
A short synopsis of the video: Shrooms Vs Ants, the battle royal of the century.
*Khorne:* I don't know why, but I am getting an all you can eat gourmet buffet from the Octarius sector. This galaxy is the best !
Video starts at 2:29
What would be great is if Ghazghkul became the new bulwark against the Tyranids, and just when the Swarmlord he's fighting gains the upper hand and starts cutting him down, Trazyn the Infinite drops a Krork on the battlefield, the Krork picks the Swarmlord up with its hand and bites the Swarmlord's head off, instantly getting Ghazghkul to swear fealty to the Krork and turning the tide against the Tyranids as all of Orks get a major WAAAGH boost just by being in the Krork's presence.
Feels like the only way to defeat the Tyrannids is to isolate the Nids in the galaxy from the Hive Mind.
It would certainly help, but its possible that the hivemind is a combination of the psychic connection between every tyranid, meaning unless you could disrupt the connections between them ALL everywhere all at once and for a long while there would still be a hivemind large enough to outdo any human brainpower and chances are what is left would still take out whatever you were using to disrupt them from communicating.
Imagine if every tyranid was a small chunk of the hivemind, and as more get added to that network the hivemind gets mentally powered up. Its like an array of raspberry pis being used to mine bitcoin, after you connect enough of them together they're powerful, but when you sever the link they aren't amazing.
This is probably the best short description of the hive mind I've seen. I dislike the theories that paint the hive mind as some kind of controlling AI.@@NeoIsrafil
@@NeoIsrafil
i feel like a connection to every mind for the nids should have some weakness.
ERE WE GO !!!!
WAAAAAAGGHHHHH!!!!
this sector/lore is severely under appreciated and expanded upon
One thing that I don't understand is how some orks didn't turn into krorks, wouldn't this war be the perfect catalyst for that to happen?
I wondered the same thing
That may actualy had happend, but the ork lose the war, so i guess they just died in the war :D
"Orks vs. Nids" Oh boy, can there even be a winner in a clusterfuck scenario like this?
awesome video man! i'm new to the warhammer world and you are basically my guide right now and I'm watching everything chaos related because they are becoming my favorite faction now. without you i will be lost. thank you so much man. Also i'm playing tacticus right now so i appreciate the code there mate.
The weirdest thing about tyranids is that they can not create biomass, and they have to steal it from other living beings. Orks, however, can make more orks out of dead staff. However, they need good fighting to keep up their numbers. These two factions are built to complement each other.
The main goal of the Tyranids is genetic material, biomass is secondary. Biomass you can get from gas giant planets. Even the moon of Saturn, Titan is a huge depot of biomass.
Mass and biomass are two different things
What he means is that all the nids need are the essential materials of life, which are surprisingly plentiful throughout most solar systems. @@Captain_Crump
@jonathancrump1263 main thing you need is CHON carbon hydrogen oxygen and nitrogen. Plus trace amounts of other nutrients. All of these are readily available throughout the galaxy.
Did no one ever think of the consequences of what happens when one of these guys wins this war because after that we’re all screwed
I really want a video on what the Alpha Legion, Night Lords, and Thousand Sons are up too into the current setting. I know the Alpha Legion are up to alot, but it seems like everyone is the consolidating into bigger forces than they have been in 10k years lately.
I will be honest I was a bit off put by your channel at first but then I realized that I liked it and how you remind me of a friend of mine who lives down under.
Fun fact: the orks LOVE tyranid teef. It's the most valuable form of teef for them. It's like investing in gold currency for us.
"Kill da Nidz and rip off their teef!! Waagh!!"
one big nid fanwank this. writers using every single OP loop hole the nids have while limiting the orks with every loophole they had. With such neverending battles Ork evolution should go into hyperdrive.
Remember that the LACK OF FIGHTING is what caused the Krorks to become Orks, and having a fight that is near infinite due to how nids work it was a clear case to see atleast the first crude Krork forms beginning to walk the battlefield.
@majorkill could you do a what-if on Malcador returning I’m interested to see how people think he would effect the modern imperium and the inquisition
Probably force choking a shit load of people that's for sure.
Inquisitor: "We've got Nids...we've got greenskins...so to solve the problem...(slap hands together)
Flunky: "My lord, we now have Super Nids and Proto Krokks!!!"
Inquisitor: SIGH...(hand strays to the 'Exterminatus' button.')
Flunky: sir the entire system is flooding out the tyranids and orks! I don't think an exterminatus will stop them.
Inquisitor: oh I know, it's not for them. It's for their pit stops... *mopedly bombs imperial worlds that happen to be in the tyranids or orks path*
Apparently the Nids now have some kind of huge bioship thing. Good luck 6 Raven Guard players because you're apparently the ones who have to deal with it.
Day 248 of requesting a Commissar Yarrick Major Mini pls
I started painting my "For sure not illidan" mini today! I Love it. Major Minis are the best.
That's how the Kryptman crumbles, huehuelol.
Love how the battle was happening even on micro level.
I really hope GW does the Silent King justice in fucking up the Nids. I can just see him doing fuck all whilst a named spacemarine solos.
A missed opportunity to use a sector destroying weapon to take out both sides.... ask the Necrons to do a favour
I remember reading somewhere that the Tyranids winning the Octarius War was the better alternative. If the Orks won, there was a good chance the conflict would have eventually spawn an Ork Warboss on the level of the Beast, that meant Krorks (who are around the same level as a Primarch) and crazy super weapons like Attack Moons.
We don't know yet what tyranids get from this war, also there were currently seen in new leviathan book tyranid size of a planet.
@@zergrush_9704A what?
@@deathfromthedepths a moon actually, it's newest lore, so no one knows anything about it yet, it's too early to be scared, maybe it's more weakness than power for tyranids?
Majorkill you got me into tacticus and my power is at 880 thousand and i have no regrets
11:16 atleast some people still use it xD
Almost wholesome how the carnage is simply so glorious that more troops and even factions tune in for the fun.
2:25 Video starts.
0:26 endles wa battle cries and big explosions everywhere
I still think the Tyrannid are a devolved Old One creation. Likely a biological STC, acting as both a repository and resequencer of genetic information and a 3d printer. The hive mind is likely analogous to the tje interface AI. It may even have been a backup to recreate all the other races in a new galaxy or if all life in ours is wiped out. But much like the Orks, without the Old Ones, the proto-nids began to mutate and evolve into the first norn queens.
I think so. The sheer amount of similarities between them and the orks is uncanny.
Orks: You're just a cheap f*****g knockoff!
Tyranids: Oh no, no. I'm the upgrade.
i love the idea that even as spores, the orks still serve the WAAAAAAGH
Yapping ends at 2:26
I used to be a Nid player. I hated the way GW took the nids after Macragge. They just amped up all the monstrous creatures and lost the swarm mentality
Imagine Ghazghkull and Angron taking their fight to the Octarius Sector. The whole sector is like a power kegg waiting to go off. I can't wait for it to explode.
I love the way you explain things “a huge steroid injection straight to the scrotum” 😂
Hey Mk, just to share my appreciation by me going to the gym after I’m expresso with a d in front, listening by downloading your video’s audio telling stories is helping instead of listening to music
This video autoplayed while I was riding my bike to work...the first thought I have was "wow, that is one chill ork explaining warhammer lore" (no offense meant) as an apology, I've subscribed and looking forward to more videos.
They need to do more stuff like this, was hilarious to listen to
Did anyone else think when Majorkill first showed off his intro animation that it was shit but now get excited every time you see it.
Great lore vid like always thanks for all the content!
I can't stop laughing at "throw Leviathan at the orks and see what happens"
So, I was slowly gaining some 40k lore knowledge and went “hey, tyranids and orks are everywhere and orks love battle, isn’t the best plan just to put them against eachother and neutralize two of the biggest threats at the same time?” And it’s nice to know that 1: someone already thought of it.
2: it’s a legendary fuckin battle.
3: IT WAS A COLOSSALLY BAD IDEA IN EVERY WAY
0:04 StarCraft - where Terrans, descendants of exiles from Earth, made a new home in the Koprulu Sector and fought Zerg and Protoss races with guts, resourcefulness and tech ingenious.
Kryptman: "Let's send the biomass monsters over to the Orks, what could possibly go wrong?"
The Imperium: *YOU WHAAAT!!!???*
*the thumbnail*
The neighbor's kid vs pitbull named sweetie
Thanks for the code. Tacticus is my preferred way to not pay atention in class when I really should
just love the idea of tyranids gonig to eat while orkz just gather in mega massing because its a fun fight