NCCCO EXAMS: DON'T MAKE THIS MISTAKE!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.พ. 2020
- Always make sure the gross capacity amount listed in the load chart exceeds the line pull capacity. If it doesn't, you must base your deductions off of the line pull.
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So...what's the correct answer ? E-none of the above ? We mark through 59,200 and write in 59,000 ? The old adage " Finish What You Start " seems appropriate here. I understand your intent was to illustrate a common test error by taking deductions from "gross capacity" or the "line capacity" when the two values were compared and the math indicated a limitation or adjustment was called for. By not finishing to work the problem and referring to another video is NOT a popular method. I sat through four long years of electrical theory. The school asked us to rate our instructors, the instructor who's mantra was "answer is in the book dig it out for yourself " he was literally booed off stage at graduation ceremony. One received a standing ovation, an Electrical Engineer for General Electric, who was light years ahead of us but went the extra mile to keep it simple and never leave the student hanging or an unsolved problem on the blackboard, or theoretical question unanswered. He never gave away test answers but was so thorough in teaching and pacing that there was no confusion and no one was left behind in acquiring the necessary instruction for understanding and passing any test.
Perfect explanation & example
Yes they do put tricky questions and try to jam you up !!!👍🏾
Thanks for this man. I appreciate it
Good tip!
Thanks
I would love to
I’m interested in the pretest course.. I’m trying to prepare for NCCO practice test in California for swing cab and fixed cab
Great to hear! You can see all of our courses at tieronecrane.com/shop
So no answer ?????
Its not a trick question.
It's logic.
The Line pull (or the lower chart gross capacity or max jib rated capacity) dictates what the crane can lift period.
Think about it.
A 500 ton crane with a single part line close in .
One cant pick up 450 tons.
However
At a 300 ft radius 29,000 would overturn crane over or break jib if jib max jib rating is exceeded.
You take deductions from lowest value from:
1. Line pull ( cable capacity )
2. Max Jib rating .
3. Gross capacity on chart at that radius.
At large radius the Chart most likely will be lower than line pull of max jib capacity.
do you have a course for the telescopic boom-fixed -shuttlelift (carry deck) written test ?
Unfortunately, I do not. I only have it on the manitex. Just a quick note, moving forward, CCO is removing the shuttle lift as an option for load charts for anyone that applies to test AFTER December 31st. It will be based strictly on the manitex which will now be called ‘TSS generic load charts’. So if you haven’t applied to test yet, just keep that in mind.
What if your gross is 3 times less than your line pull and you need to subtract ?
This was a ?for me on my exam.
I can pass the 26 question exam but the hour limit always expires before im through.Does Ncooo require you take it in a hour?
Yes, in that case you would need to account for what’s called the excessive parts of line which are not needed to make the life. You make this deduction using your range diagram from tip to ground at the given radius and boom length. Yes you have to be able to finish it in 1 hour that’s correct.
so which answer would you circle? A.59,200?
Sorry for the extremely late reply. I don’t actually work through the entire question in this sample video. Just wanted to show a common issue while taking the exams. You can find all of our courses on tieronecrane.com which give thorough training for these exams.
What you have done is add confusion to an already bad situation. The correct way to approach it is to provide the correct answer and why it is the correct answer. You need to explain why the only deductions would be what is hanging from the line and nothing else.
Hello, I understand your concern. Like I said originally, my main goal with this video was to make sure test takers understand how to always ensure line pull capacity meets or exceeds gross capacity. I’ve since released a video on a full load chart question from start to finish going through all of the deductions and determining the net capacity. Link to that video is below. Thank you.
th-cam.com/video/KayQbebrHsQ/w-d-xo.html
This guy just wants you to watch the ither video.He is not going to give the answer, so that we can figure out how to get to it. He knows and is playing go games in his replies here.
Fantastic video really helped me
Do you have practice sheet ??
Hello, so I don’t have actual practice sheet pdf’s, but I do have online prep courses on tieronecrane.com. Spent a long time putting them together and constantly working on them. If you need help preparing for the exam it will be effective for you. Let me know if you need any additional assistance.
How can i attend the training
Good evening, you can access the training by going to tieronecrane.com/shop
All of the courses are located there. If you have any additional questions or assistance just shoot me an email at tobrien@tieronecrane.com
The biggest mistake people make with a cco is paying for training of any kind. The original cco requirement consisted of 10 years crane experience before qualifying to take the test, if you are not an experienced crane operator then you shouldn't be getting a cco and an experienced crane operator wouldn't need any training to past the test. In my 28 year crane career I've seen a lot of changes and all for the worst. Paying for a cco only makes you a legal lever puller just like a so called union "operator " it does not make you a crane operator. There isn't a single crane operator who would have an issue with what I just said, if you find yourself offended or feeling you need to " correct " me, then you might just need a little more seat time. Sincerely yours, 80,000 + incident free seat hours and counting.
Trick Question!
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Still not sure how to work it from there?
Seems to me you would work it from original gross, minus deductions. And then double check that to line pull.
If line pull is good after deducts,
That would be the answer.
The way you’re working it, it would be possible to short yourself?
Wish I hadn’t watched this since Im testing tomorrow for my fifth star after alot of years.
Sorry but I don’t think you are explaining this right.
If your line pull is less than what the gross capacity is, you would subtract your deductions from the line pull amount not the gross capacity. Doesn’t matter if you make all of your deductions from the gross capacity and then made sure your line pull was capable at the end.
You could do it either way, but if you do it that way and your line pull ends up being less than the gross capacity just make sure you redo your deduction subtractions based off what the line pull is rated for to get your net capacity answer
@@tieronecrane I am slow, sorry.
But if you’re line pull is less than gross after deducts,
Then line pull is the answer since you have already figured deducts. Which means the crane is good for it.
Line pull is what would be your limit.
I’m trying to see what I’m missing about this.
Sorry
I was driving home from dinner and thinking about it.
I guess I’m thinking that the correct way to work this would be,
Figure gross minus deducts.
If line pull is less than.
LP becomes your new gross.
But to get net you deduct only everything hanging on the main.
Not a jib erected or anything hanging on it because you would deduct that from the ultimate gross.
You could really get screwed up in that configuration if you think about it. Lol
Sorry. This all has me nervous about tomorrow
The crane is more powerful then the line so in that being said your max you are able to lift would be dependent on line pull do to cable breaking first
You are 100% correct. This line of thinking is bullshit. Gross capacity is 62,000 regardless of parts of line. Subtract your deductions from 62,000. Then if it is less than 59,000 your parts of line are ok. If it is more than 59,000 then your net capacity is 59,000. This course is teaching garbage.
Seems to me the answer should be 0. It ask if net cap. Off the MAIN BOOM. And chart says the the 30' jib is erected. Can't pick off the MAIN BOOM when the jib is erected.
Good morning sir, I appreciate the comment and you checking out my content. So for this particular crane, it does allow you to hoist off the main boom with the jib erected. Now if it were the TSS fixed cab charts; you would be 100% correct. Either way, for this video I just wanted to hone in on ensuring candidates check their line pull regardless of which test you’re taking. Thank you again.
@@tieronecrane aah ok. I was assuming it was TSS. That is my bad. Will they do that as well on the test though, for TSS? Ask what the main boom can pull while job is erected? Is that something else they'd try to trick you on?
@@stephanmanning5277 I haven’t seen it before but it’s definitely possible!
So what is the correct answer??
The objective for this video was to focus on parts of line and how it can throw you off in all load chart questions. I do have a video on a full load chart question in one of my other videos that you can see here: th-cam.com/video/KayQbebrHsQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=gSNCVmFu4nAf6_Pc
Why would they mess with peoples livelihoods and put stupid tricky questions in the test?
I took the core 1 exam and failed 😢
I’m sorry to hear that. Shoot me an email if you need help! Tobrien@tieronecrane.com
Downvoted for not finishing what you started. The ole bait and switch, thanks buddy
Sorry to hear that, but I’m not quite sure what you mean. Finish out the question?
@@tieronecrane You literally stopped halfway. You said not to go off of the wrong gross, but to go off of the 2 parts of line capacity gross and then told people not to make that specific mistake while not even finishing the net weight or how to get it from there. From someone who is day 1 into researching any of this... how did you not know what the other person meant. AND your other comment to someone else evens tates you don't work through the question, so what's the point? I'm definitely not visiting your site.
@@Objectional_Opinion good afternoon, working through the actual question was not the goal of this video. I just wanted to highlight the importance of subtracting deductions from whichever is of lesser capacity, line pull or gross capacity. It can be confusing, which is why I wanted to stick to that point only. I really do appreciate the feedback, have a great weekend.
You take your gross line pull of 59000 minus the weight of the block and rigging , as those are the only deduction you have for your reeving system in any situation. I don’t think he has all info listed or the correct answer listed as a possibility.
59,000(line pull) - block weight (1,000lbs block weight he has listed??) - rigging (200lbs) = 57,800 net capacity or reeving capacity which is your net boom capacity as this is the max you can lift on this configuration. I do agree with others, finish the question , rather then “buy my stuff”. Ppl are more inclined to buy from you when you prove your expertise and you show them that you want to help them and our industry.... as well as your pocket book
@Richard M i was like the answer isn't even up there lol. 100 percent agree with what u said though. 👏
Not much of a tip
First off you’d be wrong with a boom angle of 69.1 you’d move up to 70 not 75. So in order to get the correct answer you’d scratch your head raw because none of the answers are correct
Are you mistaking the radius for the boom angle? That’s all I can gather. Please go to 1:59 in the video and you’ll see the boom angle at 69.1. Also, the answers aren’t relevant to the video. Just wanted to show the parts of line element in the load chart questions that I often see people struggle with. Hope this helps.
why trick operator's when they are already stressed from day to day. And the old operator's that never had a accident was pushed out of there job because they couldn't read or write. nccco wants new people to enter the fields but cannot operate the crane safe it's true we hire and fire. yearly