Dunno - Chademo might be more Video-2000 than Betamax. Remember that Betamax was good! Chademo was always clunky, even back in 2014 whe like my Leaf it felt like science-ficton
Lexus and Toyota will need to sell 22% of their cars as zero emission vehicles next year or suffer a £15k per car fine. It will be fun to see what they will be doing in a year from now.
Paying Tesla and SAIC money to get carbon credits. And the fine print of that regulation says they can postpone the requirement for two years, but then in the third year have to do more than the regulation to cover for these lost two years.
I’ve just bought one! It’s a car that makes no sense at £57,000. If you ever need to rapid charge, it’s a car that makes no sense at any price. If you’re like me, and in 7 years of EV ownership have never rapid charged, and you want something beautifully built with the promise of best in the business reliability and customer service, and the balance of the 10 year warranty (which covers the battery to 600,000 miles) I’d say it’s great. Got a 2 year old top of the range Takumi car, 9,500 miles on it, for £19,500 from eco cars Jonathan Porterfield. So a niche buy, but for some people it still has its place. It’s going to depreciate more than a long range EV with CCS, but planning to keep it for the long term.
@@conradbo1 feel free to search for Jonathan Porterfield’s you tube channel. He made a video of the buying process of my car - thumb nail for video is me standing in front of the car (grey UX). Had the car for about 9 months and no regrets. Winter efficiency was not great, but averaging 4 miles per kWh over the last 1000 miles. Winter was more like 2.9-3.2, which is a bit naff compared to what our Kia could do.
A great example of use case. It’s definitely much more of a consideration than an ICE vehicle - how quickly can I refuel?, what’s is its range? are questions no one buying an ICE car ever asks! This is the education obstacle for people new to EVs. Depending on your individual/family/business needs a 100 mile range max, 50kW max peak charging 10 year old LEAF can be a great cheap buy. But for some dare I say most it won’t be! This is the worry I have about the next stage - mass market EV adoption - is that people will be sold or mistakenly buy bad EV fits and anecdotal tales of bad road trip experiences will sway people against an EV purchase. Thanks for your channel content.
Betamax, it’s already been said. As a 40kWh Leaf driver I can completely agree. It CAN be done for longer journeys but it’s a PITA. Less companies putting in connectors, understandable given how many new Chademo cars are actually sold. That said, loads still use it and a few CPOs like Gridserve, MFG and (some) applegreen are putting in multiple Chademo heads at new sites.
The Sainsbury's near me ripped out the free 7kw Type 2 chargers and replaced them with overpriced CCS only chargers. The retail park next to it has also installed a load of CCS only chargers, and the 7kw chargers are the same expensively price per kWh so aren't worth touching!
??? Really? Chademo is totally dead here in Austria. I know of only two charge stations in the whole east of Austria. One more than H2 filling stations…
I rented this car (the first, 310 km WLTP version) for two months in summer of 2022. I really liked it. Pleasant to drive, good seats, enough information, comfortable, sufficiently big for a small family. However, since it is not possible to charge at our parking lot (all the chargers are taken), I did not buy it. I would have had to recharge at the local ChaDeMo chargers - for instance at our local supermarket. Consequently, I bought a used hybrid instead. It is a bit surprising to hear all the negative comments about the car since I felt it was really pleasant in most ways. If people can charge at home, then you probably do not need to use the ChaDeMo chargers very often. If you do need to charge along the road, it usually took me 30-40 minutes to charge from 20-80 % on the previous 54 kWh battery. That was approximately the time I spent at the supermarket. So, I would say it is not a risky car to buy, given the good follow-up service at the Toyota/Lexus dealers here in Norway.
Toyota / Kia dealership near me. Went for a wander round the other week, the price of a bog standard Toyota EV compared to anything Kia had on offer (Inc the EV6) was laughable. I said to the salesman bet you haven't sold many, he shook his head. Totally out of touch.
I actually WROTE to Lexus CS when I test drove this car 2 years ago when it had the smaller battery. It did have plenty of positives- build quality, cabin build, refinement and comfort and did have a nice turn of speed. All Lexus strong points. But I wrote to Lexus to tell and warn and just question them WHY oh WHY did they fit it with a (50kW max at that time ) Chaedmo socket and fit it with such a small battery for the price (54kWh battery at that time?) ??!! The did reply and promised to take my feedback on board! They obviously did not!
But the jist of my email to them was why have you fitted an obsolete (and slow) charge port? Lazy. Very lazy of them. Setting up to fail almost. The fact they have increased the battery (good) but still kept the Chademo is beyond stupid.
Changing the architecture from CHAdeMO to European CCS-standard was probably too complex. However, Lexus did listen to the feedback provided from the dealers here in Norway and installed a much bigger battery on the now updated version (changing the range from 310 km to around 440 Km WLTP).
I have to comment, and I am in favour of the ux300e, I thought about many other manufacturers, but the quality was lacking . I dont just need long battery range, I also want smooth ride over these lovely roads, and a touch of luxury which lexus do well. Don't buy new, second hand for sure. Chademo I found them everywhere. I am a petrol head, this lexus has converted me. All the best guys.
I had one, the earlier version for the best part of a year, but chopped it back in for a regular Hybrid. Finding chargers wasn’t the issue, it was the painfully slow charging speed. Totally agree on the nonsensical choice of Chademo, and the Betamax vs VHS analogy is perfect. Chademo is actually technologically superior with the way it talks to the charger, and is capable of 400kW with V2G built in from the outset, but as with VHS, the inferior spec won the war. The exterior is personal preference, as is any car. With a Lexus, you know it’s going to get you there, mine was 100% reliable, unlike some of the other brands you mentioned, I just had to spend half my life charging it 😂
I think chademo is max 50kw. I have the smaller battery version of this UX. I took it on a 200 mile trip once and was the only time I did. I have it on a 2 year lease as a company vehicle. At the time it was on a very good value lease, I did it as a tester for an EV. Very well built, super quiet, very dull to drive and a range of 120 miles in winter. The list price has since increased from 2 years ago, I thought £52k was bad enough and I can't disagree with anything you said. Anyone who actually bought one must be a real Lexus fan! Having said that it has done a good job getting me to work at 13 miles each way and is best suited to these short journeys.
I own on and it’s so nice to drive I got it on the cheapest lease ever. A year to go the value is plummeting no problem to me on lease 😊in a year and low mileage I think a sub 20 grand Takumi with 15k will be an absolute bargain. The drive handling and feel of this car is one of the best I’ve ever been. So in a way thanks Chadamo if you want a local car if you’re doing long journeys, then forget it,
Hello UK. I'm from Australia but enjoy this channel as a way to keep abreast with what's happening in a sister country regarding EV's and charging infrastructure. I'm an electrical engineer so also enjoy some of the technical threads even though I disagree with a very small number of comparisons and analyses. So I take my hat off to your team for keeping it pretty real. I don't own an EV because both my quality Japanese made ICE's from around 2014 suit my need. And there in lies the point you have yet to take a closer look at. And that is whether any of the EV variations from PHEVs to BEVs and, just like ICE's, all will be entirely componentised in the very near future. This means when power trains need replacing it'll be some form of refurbished process. In an EV it'll be a battery pack or part thereof in an ICE it already is a short block motor or a long block motor or just a new or refurbished head. So the question at the end of the day is which drive variant and overall market (new or second hand) provides the best marginal utility per trip for each use case or range of use cases. In simple terms we currently spend 5 mins to reliably and completely fill a fuel efficient ICE at a mature network of service stations, drive away and probably think little about range for a period of time e.g. "I filled up on Tuesday so I'll be OK". For an EV are we saying we need a concerted effort and calculated analysis of a number of variables in our decision to extract the same amount of utility (satisfaction) as an ICE? Clearly our marginal utility (satisfaction) will need to accept those few times a year when holidaying, we'll need a thorough travel plan if we own a BEV. Australia is a large country and we do drive significant distances. 4 hrs would not be unusual. Also what equipment standards and investment on top of the EV would we need for our homes, which is where we would typically charge.
I actually moved from Lexus to a Genesis GV60 partly off the back of the lack of a proper EV. I've always thought the electrified UX300 was only brought across for regular purchasers who wanted a second, local/short mileage only second car and so chademo was not an issue. Looks aside (and for me it is the interior that counts, as that's where I'll be) it is appears to be a big improvement on the previous model. I had one (pre the UX300e being out) as a loner while my car was in for a service (with yet again nothing needing doing) and I do remember it feeling really cramped and the boot being small.
I think a lot of the legacy auto makers are deliberately releasing shitty EVs so that they can conclude there is no demand and just ignore the energy transition. And then go bust.
I really struggle with the design of lexus. Have done for years. Its ultra niche modern if you liked fancy 1990s stereos. Its kuke they are only targeting older people for whom thr 1980/90s were their peak years. As for chademo. There are currently loads of chargets but you are correct, in 5 years time will there be any left? Thr units obly have a use by date and after rhat i cant see anyone installing new ones with chademo. I thought chademo was 100kw max too. Although mainly 50kw so 0-100 is way over 1.5 hours on thst car. Really poor from Toyota ( sorry Lexus) Betamax by the thr way. I dtayed until the end to see if there was a positive. And thats not a 60k car. Badge or no badge
Like other Toyotas and Hondas the designers appeared to have a few months spare after they had finished designing the cars. So they just kept on designing and adding all the extra frills and creases.
What is the current car manufacturer obsession with all-black interiors? It's like sitting in a bl**dy cave! The unremitting black-ness makes me feel claustrophobic. Please, give us the option of white/pale headlining at least.....?!
I'm new to EV ownership and have been charging at MFG stations , I wondered what Chademo was when I saw the option on there. Don't think I've seen any other public chargers with those plugs.
Most of the other brands have them. But gridserve only do a few per site, grudgingly, instavolt do them at all of their units, even the brand new ones, BP and shell all have them, especially 175 and below but ionity absolutely do not. They are, as far as I am aware, CCS only.
@@brianstevenson9967 some yes, but the biggest networks are not. InstaVolt, Osprey, GridServe, BP Pulse, MFG together account for 45% of DC rapid chargers in the UK. All are still installing CHAdeMO in some form, and both InstaVolt and Osprey are still installing CHAdeMO on every new unit.
For some luxury cars, I keep an eye on the depression and would think about buying in the future. I will not be adding the lexus to the list. An old ipace from 2018 is a supervisor car. You could have two old ipaces let alone two MG4's for the price of that. This is truly a betamax car in a streaming world.
Betamin, surely. I drive a 2020 Leaf, bought for the theoretical V2X capabilities, but I regret it every time I make a long journey. The car can charge at 100 kW in theory, but I've only found one charger that does more than 50. And that's 10 minutes from home, so I never use it.
On top of that, you've got Rapidgate with the Leaf. You're down to 22kW after the 2nd charge, so I try to avoid driving more than 500 km on one day, which is what you're limited to if you want to keep above 20% charge between stops.
@@FoxInClogstry going from 100 to 30 and charge to 90. Stops adding so much heat to the pack so quickly. The charge rate starts to ramp down after about 50-60% rather than 80%, the less time you spend in this hot zone, the lower the overall pack temp stays. I can get 2-3 rapids if I need, on the very odd occasion I do that length of journey.
Do they make adapaters for the chademo connections that would allow you to use the more standard chargers? Or are you just stuck with chademo? I cannot see the reasoning behind going with chademo outside of it being originally designed for Vehicle to load. Can this car be used this way?
There are no adapters available that allow you to directly connect a CHAdeMO connector to a standard home socket. CHAdeMO is a fast charging protocol that requires higher power than what a standard socket can deliver. For home charging of a plug-in hybrid you would normally need to install a charging point suitable for the power your vehicle needs, such as a Level 1 (socket) or Level 2 (e.g. Type 1 or Type 2) charging station.
In london, all the source london points i have used have a chademo cable but only a CCS socket so if in london and using source london this maybe more convenient. (I have to get my ccs cable out). In 10 years it will probably be all tesla connectors :)
@@didierpuzenat7280 Older teslas still have their own connector design in UK before they switched to CCS in UK .In USA ford and gm followed tesla. The tesla is less clunky than CCS so maybe europe will adopt this in the future. Apple moved to USB C so its not impossible. Or perhaps it will stay like right/left hand drive.
It is sad. I really love the look of the EV and Hybrid Lexus offerings lately. I really like the lines of the RZ450e, but for the price that you pay they need to be competitive on at least range.
The chad mo standard does allow for two way charging. So you could charge your house 🤔 Quickly runs behind wall week..... It's two cars stuck together... Or a bad star trek teleport incident
V2g is iso15118 standard and all connectors, ccs, chadmo, (nacs to be confirmed) support iso15118. This includes individual identification that Tesla uses.
@@neilm9400 most EV don't support v2g, they don't fully implement iso15118, but the connector types support v2g. At this time nacs (USA Tesla connector) has not been shown to support v2g, but I expect it could be made to Remember a connector , ccs, chadmo, nacs are connectors, the communication protocol is defined by the iso standard, and how complete that communication protocol is provided by a manufacturer in the EV. The mac-e, ev5, ev6 and ionic all have a fully implement control board for v2g
Yep some of us (who know what Beatamax was) did watch to the end. What are they doing but people will buy it because of the brand. Same as Toyota (which has toy in the name), people will buy because of the name
You can get a top of the range 2 year old one for £21k which is horrific depreciation for the first owner. But makes it quite a good value premium EV, but hampered
I suspect that many of the buyers will never drive more than 100 miles away from home. They never have a need to go north of Watford Gap, have a nice day out at Eastbourne and travel to Heathrow, Gatwick or Stansted for holidays. Is £57k a lot of money? In Yorkshire yes but in London where a Victorian terraced house costs you £1m than it doesn't seem as bad. Would any sane person buy one, probably not. But then again people buy capers and goats cheese which make no sense in my mind, but each to their own. 😂
In answer to your first comment, no I don't want to buy a car from a company not interested in EVs. All those creases over the whole of the outside are going to be a nightmare in the event of even the slightest bump! In twelve months time I predict insurance premiums will rise for this model. In a Lexus no one can hear you scream......
It surprises me it still running chadamo as lexus in the update said the 71.8kw battery was getting ccs charging its was in all the press releases they even had a ccs at full charge in May 2023 . So I am surprised by this and disappointed
Betamax! The Lexus UK sales reps must be furious about the charging ports. I feel like going to a Lexus garage just to see how they upsell this car to me. 🙂
Honestly I still like CHAdeMo in a world with more rapid chargers that can share output power. Ive pulled up to some stations and been able to skip the queue that way. The issue with the car is the complete lack of passion for any interesting or specific EV building design for efficiency. I kinda like its size and silhouette, but 3.5 miles per kWh is not good enough
At first I thought it was designed as a posh city hire car but once you pointed out the space issues then I just had to agree with you……And like a Betamax it’s resale value will be sub prime.
Betamax! Lol. Does seem like they made this for Japan and decided it was cheaper to just ship that exact version to UK instead of swapping to CCS. One has to view it as a non-DCFC EV. Maybe the battery will last a very long time as a result.
The exterior looks like the end product of a demolition derby! One thing in it's favour - it has a rear window wiper! - - - Betamax! See, I did watch it to the end! 🙂 (don't know why, though!)
I'm not sure why Chademo is so hated as version 2.0 is up to 400kw charging speeds! More reliable than CCS and still is currently the only standard that supports V2G V2H. Chademo is still very popular in Japan
Yeah, it's unfortunate that the first generation Chademo was so slow and lost out to the at the time faster CCS and Tesla. However, the very unreliable CCS may lose as well to Tesla NACS
I don't even see it as a company car when you have Mercedes, BMW etc making much better cars with usable charge ports on them. Then you have the Model Y which comes in significantly less and has the advantages of the supercharger network on top of a ridiculous amount of space inside the car. Crazy that Toyota would even waste their money on building this
It's a compliance car. Allows lexus/toyota to sell ICE cars without falling foul of the regs It's not expected to sell just allow other cars to be sold
I couldn't get in these, and my wife couldn't see out or get to the pedals. Very disappointing. I am currently driving a Yaris which has more space inside than any lexus. Amazing.
Only just gotten round to watching this one Andy, but it's a clear case of this being a 'compliance' car from Lexus and one that many company car buyers would order without knowing anything about it other than it's a Lexus (Posh) and electric (reduced BIK) and then end up hating ALL evs based on their poor experience with this one, poorly executed EV.
Betamax. Just watched this after seeing the old model going cheap at BCA auctions. I now know why and this will go the same way. Thanks for your videos.
I got my Lexus serviced in the week, the warranty runs out to 15 years with the battery in hybrid. (Great value second hand) I asked about IF they're selling many ev's? - It died as soon as Japan announced the solid state battery release in 24-48 months. - If the solid state does get released they are saying 900 km -400-500 miles on a single charge
Purchasers of EV's need to look beyond the materials, stitch count and brand name and look very carefully at the logitistics and overall EV system capability. Some people will buy these without having a clue as to what they're like to live with beyond a test drive.
Well no one is going to BetaMax in one of these, is it ChadaMo? Wonder if they sent out a design kit to the Sun, Daily Mail etc on what a EV should look like & have. Amazing that a company should make such a major mistake on a car.... It's a bit like putting a petrol filler pipe on a diesel.
Betamax, yes kept watching until the end. However, you summed it up at the beginning. Who would want to buy an EV from a company that don’t believe EVs are the future of vehicles. They’re obviously not going to put the effort into it.
Betamax (still here, but I guess that's obvious) Surely it can't be beyond science to make a chademo adaptor. I have a Nissan env200 which is fine for my purposes and to be fair, I've not really run into any charging problems, but I can see them on the horizon.
There's enthusiasts implementing OpenSource CCS to CHAdeMO adapters, but there's unlikely to ever be a commercial product (although never say never, a company could start packaging the OpenSource work into a slick product) th-cam.com/video/tfCaqdUFx3Q/w-d-xo.html
I got as far as Betamax as well! That was what I was thinking from the point when you opened one of two charging flaps. Heading towards being a ***USED*** Enyaq owner. How will I manage with just 33% of the original battery capacity after someone else has used it for a year or so and almost maxed it out on 12,000 miles of driving!! I must be mad!!😂😂
The CHADEMO plug is a massive .... mess!! I own a non-tesla and have to put up with the UK's poor charging network, that charge double that of Tesla charging.... Happy to put up with that. But Chadamo... No ferkin way.... I would rather suck on a diesel exhaust pipe than try to move around the UK on Chadamo...!!
Same as Toyota/ Subaru they have produced an EV that is 15years out of date, only a newbie to EV would even consider this car simply because they don’t know any better.
No different to Mazda in terms of EV approach - The hybrid version is decent and works. Wouldnt touch them as a BEV - Havinhg said that some of the main BEV cars styling is marmite as well
I can only see this as being a second car for local runs that can be charged at home. And there's probably enough demand to keep this going in Lexus' current market share. A bit like the odd person that has never moved on from campaigning for betamax..
I've been a part of the EV world for years and there are few times I've been as perplexed as with this car. £57k? Chademo? They basically don't want to actually make any and so price them stupidly, I guess. May they burn up in their hydrogen bubble.
i have a conspiracy teory here strange for me but still here i is i thinkthey releasy this kind of "halfmeasure" of a EV so they can say it did not sell so we will stopp making evs and sell somthingels.
The car kind of sums up Toyota's long held attitude towards EVs...
Lol! Betamax. You guys crack me up and I love that unlike some reviewers, you are not slaves to the manufacturers. Keep up the good work.
Dunno - Chademo might be more Video-2000 than Betamax. Remember that Betamax was good! Chademo was always clunky, even back in 2014 whe like my Leaf it felt like science-ficton
Lexus and Toyota will need to sell 22% of their cars as zero emission vehicles next year or suffer a £15k per car fine. It will be fun to see what they will be doing in a year from now.
Paying Tesla and SAIC money to get carbon credits. And the fine print of that regulation says they can postpone the requirement for two years, but then in the third year have to do more than the regulation to cover for these lost two years.
@@adisurd they will kick the can down the road - and then fail even more badly. They don’t have a single EV worth buying
Their new Hydrogen combustion engine should sort that problem out
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@@1jakedizzlewhere are you going to fill up?
I’ve just bought one! It’s a car that makes no sense at £57,000. If you ever need to rapid charge, it’s a car that makes no sense at any price. If you’re like me, and in 7 years of EV ownership have never rapid charged, and you want something beautifully built with the promise of best in the business reliability and customer service, and the balance of the 10 year warranty (which covers the battery to 600,000 miles) I’d say it’s great. Got a 2 year old top of the range Takumi car, 9,500 miles on it, for £19,500 from eco cars Jonathan Porterfield. So a niche buy, but for some people it still has its place. It’s going to depreciate more than a long range EV with CCS, but planning to keep it for the long term.
I do not believe you really bought one. Just something very strange in your comment that make me think it is a made up story.
@@conradbo1 feel free to search for Jonathan Porterfield’s you tube channel. He made a video of the buying process of my car - thumb nail for video is me standing in front of the car (grey UX). Had the car for about 9 months and no regrets. Winter efficiency was not great, but averaging 4 miles per kWh over the last 1000 miles. Winter was more like 2.9-3.2, which is a bit naff compared to what our Kia could do.
A great example of use case. It’s definitely much more of a consideration than an ICE vehicle - how quickly can I refuel?, what’s is its range? are questions no one buying an ICE car ever asks! This is the education obstacle for people new to EVs. Depending on your individual/family/business needs a 100 mile range max, 50kW max peak charging 10 year old LEAF can be a great cheap buy. But for some dare I say most it won’t be! This is the worry I have about the next stage - mass market EV adoption - is that people will be sold or mistakenly buy bad EV fits and anecdotal tales of bad road trip experiences will sway people against an EV purchase. Thanks for your channel content.
This car has CCS charging
Two charging portals , one for Chademos and one for CCS , why wasn’t that mentioned?
Betamax, it’s already been said. As a 40kWh Leaf driver I can completely agree. It CAN be done for longer journeys but it’s a PITA. Less companies putting in connectors, understandable given how many new Chademo cars are actually sold.
That said, loads still use it and a few CPOs like Gridserve, MFG and (some) applegreen are putting in multiple Chademo heads at new sites.
The Sainsbury's near me ripped out the free 7kw Type 2 chargers and replaced them with overpriced CCS only chargers.
The retail park next to it has also installed a load of CCS only chargers, and the 7kw chargers are the same expensively price per kWh so aren't worth touching!
??? Really? Chademo is totally dead here in Austria. I know of only two charge stations in the whole east of Austria. One more than H2 filling stations…
It was plainly obvious that charging stations would stop installing chademo. Older Leafs are going to become unsaleable.
I rented this car (the first, 310 km WLTP version) for two months in summer of 2022. I really liked it. Pleasant to drive, good seats, enough information, comfortable, sufficiently big for a small family. However, since it is not possible to charge at our parking lot (all the chargers are taken), I did not buy it. I would have had to recharge at the local ChaDeMo chargers - for instance at our local supermarket. Consequently, I bought a used hybrid instead. It is a bit surprising to hear all the negative comments about the car since I felt it was really pleasant in most ways. If people can charge at home, then you probably do not need to use the ChaDeMo chargers very often. If you do need to charge along the road, it usually took me 30-40 minutes to charge from 20-80 % on the previous 54 kWh battery. That was approximately the time I spent at the supermarket. So, I would say it is not a risky car to buy, given the good follow-up service at the Toyota/Lexus dealers here in Norway.
Toyota / Kia dealership near me. Went for a wander round the other week, the price of a bog standard Toyota EV compared to anything Kia had on offer (Inc the EV6) was laughable. I said to the salesman bet you haven't sold many, he shook his head. Totally out of touch.
It's a Car that has been unknowingly designed to be bought 2nd-hand, - after having suffered 60+% depreciation ... 😎
I actually WROTE to Lexus CS when I test drove this car 2 years ago when it had the smaller battery. It did have plenty of positives- build quality, cabin build, refinement and comfort and did have a nice turn of speed. All Lexus strong points. But I wrote to Lexus to tell and warn and just question them WHY oh WHY did they fit it with a (50kW max at that time ) Chaedmo socket and fit it with such a small battery for the price (54kWh battery at that time?) ??!! The did reply and promised to take my feedback on board! They obviously did not!
To be fair they did go with a bigger battery.
Given the charging speed of Chademo, you wouldn't want too big a battery, would you?
But the jist of my email to them was why have you fitted an obsolete (and slow) charge port?
Lazy. Very lazy of them. Setting up to fail almost. The fact they have increased the battery (good) but still kept the Chademo is beyond stupid.
@@stephenlee5929Given CHAdeMO you now want as big a battery as possible!
Changing the architecture from CHAdeMO to European CCS-standard was probably too complex. However, Lexus did listen to the feedback provided from the dealers here in Norway and installed a much bigger battery on the now updated version (changing the range from 310 km to around 440 Km WLTP).
I have to comment, and I am in favour of the ux300e, I thought about many other manufacturers, but the quality was lacking . I dont just need long battery range, I also want smooth ride over these lovely roads, and a touch of luxury which lexus do well. Don't buy new, second hand for sure. Chademo I found them everywhere. I am a petrol head, this lexus has converted me. All the best guys.
middle compartment is openable from both sides...
I had one, the earlier version for the best part of a year, but chopped it back in for a regular Hybrid. Finding chargers wasn’t the issue, it was the painfully slow charging speed. Totally agree on the nonsensical choice of Chademo, and the Betamax vs VHS analogy is perfect. Chademo is actually technologically superior with the way it talks to the charger, and is capable of 400kW with V2G built in from the outset, but as with VHS, the inferior spec won the war.
The exterior is personal preference, as is any car. With a Lexus, you know it’s going to get you there, mine was 100% reliable, unlike some of the other brands you mentioned, I just had to spend half my life charging it 😂
I think chademo is max 50kw. I have the smaller battery version of this UX. I took it on a 200 mile trip once and was the only time I did. I have it on a 2 year lease as a company vehicle. At the time it was on a very good value lease, I did it as a tester for an EV. Very well built, super quiet, very dull to drive and a range of 120 miles in winter. The list price has since increased from 2 years ago, I thought £52k was bad enough and I can't disagree with anything you said. Anyone who actually bought one must be a real Lexus fan! Having said that it has done a good job getting me to work at 13 miles each way and is best suited to these short journeys.
I own on and it’s so nice to drive I got it on the cheapest lease ever. A year to go the value is plummeting no problem to me on lease 😊in a year and low mileage I think a sub 20 grand Takumi with 15k will be an absolute bargain. The drive handling and feel of this car is one of the best I’ve ever been. So in a way thanks Chadamo if you want a local car if you’re doing long journeys, then forget it,
Hello UK. I'm from Australia but enjoy this channel as a way to keep abreast with what's happening in a sister country regarding EV's and charging infrastructure. I'm an electrical engineer so also enjoy some of the technical threads even though I disagree with a very small number of comparisons and analyses. So I take my hat off to your team for keeping it pretty real. I don't own an EV because both my quality Japanese made ICE's from around 2014 suit my need. And there in lies the point you have yet to take a closer look at. And that is whether any of the EV variations from PHEVs to BEVs and, just like ICE's, all will be entirely componentised in the very near future. This means when power trains need replacing it'll be some form of refurbished process. In an EV it'll be a battery pack or part thereof in an ICE it already is a short block motor or a long block motor or just a new or refurbished head. So the question at the end of the day is which drive variant and overall market (new or second hand) provides the best marginal utility per trip for each use case or range of use cases. In simple terms we currently spend 5 mins to reliably and completely fill a fuel efficient ICE at a mature network of service stations, drive away and probably think little about range for a period of time e.g. "I filled up on Tuesday so I'll be OK". For an EV are we saying we need a concerted effort and calculated analysis of a number of variables in our decision to extract the same amount of utility (satisfaction) as an ICE? Clearly our marginal utility (satisfaction) will need to accept those few times a year when holidaying, we'll need a thorough travel plan if we own a BEV. Australia is a large country and we do drive significant distances. 4 hrs would not be unusual. Also what equipment standards and investment on top of the EV would we need for our homes, which is where we would typically charge.
I actually moved from Lexus to a Genesis GV60 partly off the back of the lack of a proper EV. I've always thought the electrified UX300 was only brought across for regular purchasers who wanted a second, local/short mileage only second car and so chademo was not an issue.
Looks aside (and for me it is the interior that counts, as that's where I'll be) it is appears to be a big improvement on the previous model. I had one (pre the UX300e being out) as a loner while my car was in for a service (with yet again nothing needing doing) and I do remember it feeling really cramped and the boot being small.
Can't say I ever owned a Betamax. I'll go for the VHS equivalent car in that analogy too
I think a lot of the legacy auto makers are deliberately releasing shitty EVs so that they can conclude there is no demand and just ignore the energy transition. And then go bust.
Only the Japanese legacy auto makers release shitty EV's. They are still in denial.
I really struggle with the design of lexus. Have done for years. Its ultra niche modern if you liked fancy 1990s stereos. Its kuke they are only targeting older people for whom thr 1980/90s were their peak years.
As for chademo. There are currently loads of chargets but you are correct, in 5 years time will there be any left? Thr units obly have a use by date and after rhat i cant see anyone installing new ones with chademo. I thought chademo was 100kw max too. Although mainly 50kw so 0-100 is way over 1.5 hours on thst car.
Really poor from Toyota ( sorry Lexus)
Betamax by the thr way. I dtayed until the end to see if there was a positive. And thats not a 60k car. Badge or no badge
It’s like they have brought out an obsolete car on day 1 with Chademo. They would make decent interior designers for some other brands though.
Betamax ftw. Was def the better format back in the day! 😂
The Sony SLHF950 was something special.
They're falling in price pretty fast, I don't think I'd buy one at any price though
I nearly spat my tea out when you said it was Chademo charging. I guess someone (in addition to the designer) is now looking for a job…
Bonkers decision, this is the legacy car makers finding any way to not sell EV's and claim no one wants them!
Outdated before its sold, I think Toyota is trying to prove a point, nobody wants an EV - BETAMAX
Best car review ever. Keep up the good work lads
Like other Toyotas and Hondas the designers appeared to have a few months spare after they had finished designing the cars. So they just kept on designing and adding all the extra frills and creases.
A casette player, is it standard or optional...?
What is the current car manufacturer obsession with all-black interiors? It's like sitting in a bl**dy cave! The unremitting black-ness makes me feel claustrophobic. Please, give us the option of white/pale headlining at least.....?!
I'm new to EV ownership and have been charging at MFG stations , I wondered what Chademo was when I saw the option on there. Don't think I've seen any other public chargers with those plugs.
Most of the other brands have them. But gridserve only do a few per site, grudgingly, instavolt do them at all of their units, even the brand new ones, BP and shell all have them, especially 175 and below but ionity absolutely do not. They are, as far as I am aware, CCS only.
Really? Almost every DC charger in the UK has them, only a handfull of networks aren't installing CHAdeMO.
Some Public Charger Companies have already stated that installation of new chargers will not have Chademo connectivity.
@@brianstevenson9967 some yes, but the biggest networks are not.
InstaVolt, Osprey, GridServe, BP Pulse, MFG together account for 45% of DC rapid chargers in the UK. All are still installing CHAdeMO in some form, and both InstaVolt and Osprey are still installing CHAdeMO on every new unit.
Bit off topic but whens Harrys batteries being fitted
For some luxury cars, I keep an eye on the depression and would think about buying in the future. I will not be adding the lexus to the list. An old ipace from 2018 is a supervisor car. You could have two old ipaces let alone two MG4's for the price of that. This is truly a betamax car in a streaming world.
Good choice of word. Used to have a Betamax top loader. Complete with wired remote control. It's as relevant to today as the Lexus.
If that had been released ten years ago it may just have been acceptable. Not so much now.
A 72kWh battery ten years would have been £75k
Betamin, surely.
I drive a 2020 Leaf, bought for the theoretical V2X capabilities, but I regret it every time I make a long journey.
The car can charge at 100 kW in theory, but I've only found one charger that does more than 50. And that's 10 minutes from home, so I never use it.
On top of that, you've got Rapidgate with the Leaf. You're down to 22kW after the 2nd charge, so I try to avoid driving more than 500 km on one day, which is what you're limited to if you want to keep above 20% charge between stops.
@@FoxInClogstry going from 100 to 30 and charge to 90.
Stops adding so much heat to the pack so quickly. The charge rate starts to ramp down after about 50-60% rather than 80%, the less time you spend in this hot zone, the lower the overall pack temp stays. I can get 2-3 rapids if I need, on the very odd occasion I do that length of journey.
It does have a rear screen wiper though.
Do they make adapaters for the chademo connections that would allow you to use the more standard chargers? Or are you just stuck with chademo? I cannot see the reasoning behind going with chademo outside of it being originally designed for Vehicle to load. Can this car be used this way?
There are no adapters available that allow you to directly connect a CHAdeMO connector to a standard home socket. CHAdeMO is a fast charging protocol that requires higher power than what a standard socket can deliver. For home charging of a plug-in hybrid you would normally need to install a charging point suitable for the power your vehicle needs, such as a Level 1 (socket) or Level 2 (e.g. Type 1 or Type 2) charging station.
Maybe he it has V2G as standard. It’s defiantly Betamax of the future, which is here now.
Be fair, if you have it shipped to Japan when you move there it would be dead handy.
Tell it like it is boys.
I do agree.....not the best looking car, by quite a margin 😊 Chademo ??? What's that all about ?? 🙄
Interestingly the UX 300e Premium is $79900 nz here in NZ. Equivalent to £40k ish. And we currently get $7k back from the govt. way different price!
In london, all the source london points i have used have a chademo cable but only a CCS socket so if in london and using source london this maybe more convenient. (I have to get my ccs cable out). In 10 years it will probably be all tesla connectors :)
There is no "tesla connector" outside the USA, so in 10 years it will be CCS only all over Europe.
@@didierpuzenat7280 Older teslas still have their own connector design in UK before they switched to CCS in UK .In USA ford and gm followed tesla. The tesla is less clunky than CCS so maybe europe will adopt this in the future. Apple moved to USB C so its not impossible. Or perhaps it will stay like right/left hand drive.
I'm surprise from the famous japanese "know how", seems that Toyota owners live in the different dimension.
It is sad. I really love the look of the EV and Hybrid Lexus offerings lately. I really like the lines of the RZ450e, but for the price that you pay they need to be competitive on at least range.
The chad mo standard does allow for two way charging. So you could charge your house 🤔
Quickly runs behind wall week.....
It's two cars stuck together... Or a bad star trek teleport incident
V2g is iso15118 standard and all connectors, ccs, chadmo, (nacs to be confirmed) support iso15118. This includes individual identification that Tesla uses.
@@tomooo2637 my understanding is that the Tesla isnt so straight forward. But that could be done to a mis understanding
@@neilm9400 most EV don't support v2g, they don't fully implement iso15118, but the connector types support v2g. At this time nacs (USA Tesla connector) has not been shown to support v2g, but I expect it could be made to
Remember a connector , ccs, chadmo, nacs are connectors, the communication protocol is defined by the iso standard, and how complete that communication protocol is provided by a manufacturer in the EV. The mac-e, ev5, ev6 and ionic all have a fully implement control board for v2g
Don't forget that Chademo 2.0 is also rated to 400kw, so Japanese manufacturers can put in version 2 if they decide to fit it.
Never mind Betamax, does it connect to Blackberry and Nokia devices?
Has it got a cassette player and a Traffic master system?
You won't get me saying Betamax because I didn't watch to the end.
betamax - And as an Ex leaf driver ( now Tesla ) Chademo is the biggest reason I left leafs !
Yep some of us (who know what Beatamax was) did watch to the end. What are they doing but people will buy it because of the brand. Same as Toyota (which has toy in the name), people will buy because of the name
What the hell. Toyota put CCS on the BZ4X so why not this?
You can get a top of the range 2 year old one for £21k which is horrific depreciation for the first owner. But makes it quite a good value premium EV, but hampered
Smaller battery version too.
I suspect that many of the buyers will never drive more than 100 miles away from home. They never have a need to go north of Watford Gap, have a nice day out at Eastbourne and travel to Heathrow, Gatwick or Stansted for holidays.
Is £57k a lot of money? In Yorkshire yes but in London where a Victorian terraced house costs you £1m than it doesn't seem as bad.
Would any sane person buy one, probably not. But then again people buy capers and goats cheese which make no sense in my mind, but each to their own. 😂
11' 43" "...a nd then you come out of your house, and have to look at it!" Literal LOL!! :) :)
In answer to your first comment, no I don't want to buy a car from a company not interested in EVs. All those creases over the whole of the outside are going to be a nightmare in the event of even the slightest bump! In twelve months time I predict insurance premiums will rise for this model. In a Lexus no one can hear you scream......
You learn something every day. I thought it was the law that from something like 2020 all cars had to have CCS?
It surprises me it still running chadamo as lexus in the update said the 71.8kw battery was getting ccs charging its was in all the press releases they even had a ccs at full charge in May 2023 . So I am surprised by this and disappointed
Betamax 😂 you got 100% retention from me despite the car.
Betamax!
The Lexus UK sales reps must be furious about the charging ports. I feel like going to a Lexus garage just to see how they upsell this car to me. 🙂
I bet they don't know the difference, or anything else about the vehicle...
All that design busyness looks like a nightmare to clean
I’m a huge fan of Lexus and have a CT200h but the UX is not on my list to replace it because I want an EV and it isn’t good enough
Honestly I still like CHAdeMo in a world with more rapid chargers that can share output power. Ive pulled up to some stations and been able to skip the queue that way.
The issue with the car is the complete lack of passion for any interesting or specific EV building design for efficiency. I kinda like its size and silhouette, but 3.5 miles per kWh is not good enough
At first I thought it was designed as a posh city hire car but once you pointed out the space issues then I just had to agree with you……And like a Betamax it’s resale value will be sub prime.
Betamax! Lol. Does seem like they made this for Japan and decided it was cheaper to just ship that exact version to UK instead of swapping to CCS. One has to view it as a non-DCFC EV. Maybe the battery will last a very long time as a result.
What about a Chademo to CCS2 adapter. They aren't cheap though £600ish
Wow! separate Chademo and AC charging … just like a 2009 Mitsubishi iMiev …. Where have you been Lexus that was 14 years ago!!!!
Manual gauge looks weird on a digital dash
The exterior looks like the end product of a demolition derby! One thing in it's favour - it has a rear window wiper! - - - Betamax! See, I did watch it to the end! 🙂 (don't know why, though!)
I'm not sure why Chademo is so hated as version 2.0 is up to 400kw charging speeds! More reliable than CCS and still is currently the only standard that supports V2G V2H. Chademo is still very popular in Japan
I don’t think it’s hated, but the market has decided which standard to go with. Rightly or wrongly….
Because CCS has been chosen as the standard in Europe and new installations don't feature Chademo.
Yeah, it's unfortunate that the first generation Chademo was so slow and lost out to the at the time faster CCS and Tesla. However, the very unreliable CCS may lose as well to Tesla NACS
@@gregb1599 CCS standard is not to be blamed for unreliability. The operators of these stations are for using substandard charging electronics.
I don't even see it as a company car when you have Mercedes, BMW etc making much better cars with usable charge ports on them. Then you have the Model Y which comes in significantly less and has the advantages of the supercharger network on top of a ridiculous amount of space inside the car. Crazy that Toyota would even waste their money on building this
It's a compliance car. Allows lexus/toyota to sell ICE cars without falling foul of the regs It's not expected to sell just allow other cars to be sold
I couldn't get in these, and my wife couldn't see out or get to the pedals. Very disappointing.
I am currently driving a Yaris which has more space inside than any lexus. Amazing.
This Lexus car is picking up a lot of wind noise inside the cabin as well.
Not 100% but only possible plus is due to Chademo V2H is possible with correct charger.
I’ll trade your Betamax for a Grundig Video 2000! 😂
Only just gotten round to watching this one Andy, but it's a clear case of this being a 'compliance' car from Lexus and one that many company car buyers would order without knowing anything about it other than it's a Lexus (Posh) and electric (reduced BIK) and then end up hating ALL evs based on their poor experience with this one, poorly executed EV.
Betamax. Just watched this after seeing the old model going cheap at BCA auctions. I now know why and this will go the same way. Thanks for your videos.
Maybe someone will come up with a CHAdeMO to CCS adapter ?
I got my Lexus serviced in the week, the warranty runs out to 15 years with the battery in hybrid. (Great value second hand)
I asked about IF they're selling many ev's?
- It died as soon as Japan announced the solid state battery release in 24-48 months.
- If the solid state does get released they are saying 900 km -400-500 miles on a single charge
Solid state is vapourware
Purchasers of EV's need to look beyond the materials, stitch count and brand name and look very carefully at the logitistics and overall EV system capability. Some people will buy these without having a clue as to what they're like to live with beyond a test drive.
Nice roasting but totally understandable 😂😂😂 Chadamo WTH
Well no one is going to BetaMax in one of these, is it ChadaMo? Wonder if they sent out a design kit to the Sun, Daily Mail etc on what a EV should look like & have. Amazing that a company should make such a major mistake on a car.... It's a bit like putting a petrol filler pipe on a diesel.
I lusted for vector gaming!
Betamax, yes kept watching until the end. However, you summed it up at the beginning. Who would want to buy an EV from a company that don’t believe EVs are the future of vehicles. They’re obviously not going to put the effort into it.
Choice of chademo makes it d.o.a. for UK market
Betamax (still here, but I guess that's obvious) Surely it can't be beyond science to make a chademo adaptor. I have a Nissan env200 which is fine for my purposes and to be fair, I've not really run into any charging problems, but I can see them on the horizon.
There's enthusiasts implementing OpenSource CCS to CHAdeMO adapters, but there's unlikely to ever be a commercial product (although never say never, a company could start packaging the OpenSource work into a slick product)
th-cam.com/video/tfCaqdUFx3Q/w-d-xo.html
I got as far as Betamax as well! That was what I was thinking from the point when you opened one of two charging flaps.
Heading towards being a ***USED*** Enyaq owner. How will I manage with just 33% of the original battery capacity after someone else has used it for a year or so and almost maxed it out on 12,000 miles of driving!! I must be mad!!😂😂
Oh yes… then there will be the Toyota/Lexus hydrogen cars that have even fewer places to fill up than Chadamo! They are insane!!
The CHADEMO plug is a massive .... mess!! I own a non-tesla and have to put up with the UK's poor charging network, that charge double that of Tesla charging.... Happy to put up with that. But Chadamo... No ferkin way.... I would rather suck on a diesel exhaust pipe than try to move around the UK on Chadamo...!!
Same as Toyota/ Subaru they have produced an EV that is 15years out of date, only a newbie to EV would even consider this car simply because they don’t know any better.
No different to Mazda in terms of EV approach - The hybrid version is decent and works. Wouldnt touch them as a BEV - Havinhg said that some of the main BEV cars styling is marmite as well
I can only see this as being a second car for local runs that can be charged at home. And there's probably enough demand to keep this going in Lexus' current market share. A bit like the odd person that has never moved on from campaigning for betamax..
I've been a part of the EV world for years and there are few times I've been as perplexed as with this car. £57k? Chademo? They basically don't want to actually make any and so price them stupidly, I guess. May they burn up in their hydrogen bubble.
Lexus are incredibly reliable ICE cars but they generally look quite dull and I find the interiors vomit inducing.
16mins slagging off the car "tell us (if you're dumb enough) to have bought one"
Can't imagine maybe people replying!
Oh no not me
Betamax
Betamax, just so Toyota can say there's no demand, by our Hydrogen car in 10yrs time
i have a conspiracy teory here strange for me but still here i is i thinkthey releasy this kind of "halfmeasure" of a EV so they can say it did not sell so we will stopp making evs and sell somthingels.
Betamax for the Win!
Not worth the money and, yes, Chademo is the equivalent of Betamax.
That’s one I won’t bother with but maybe Mg4 or even the new C4!
That anteater nose, Mazda wore it better! Is this car a dare? Interesting screen, can you watch 2.55:1 letterbox movies?