Why I QUIT MENSA, the High IQ Society - The Honest Truth!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 ส.ค. 2023
- The reason why I quit MENSA, the high IQ society. About 20 years ago, I took the MENSA IQ test and discovered that I have an IQ score of 151. That puts me in the top 2% of most intelligent people on Earth. I was invited to join MENSA, the special society for high IQ people, but after a few years I quit.
This video reveals the reason behind me quitting MENSA. It's also the ramblings of a man who officially has "very superior intelligence".
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Heckle Fish says, "MENSA, stands for Many Evenings & Nights Spent Alone"...
I paid for the life membership about 10 years ago, after a relative (member) paid for my first 3 years because they liked having company at the events. I found that I enjoyed the events (that I now seldom attend), the good friends I've made, and the mag that I read every month cover to cover and share with others to be worth the lifetime fee. It was a one and done cost as far as I was concerned.
My older sister and brother easily passed the test in high school in the 1960's. She went to two meetings, then said it was boring and never went back. She never mentioned Mensa again. Same with my brother. They just carried on.
Two meetings isn’t much of a sample size. If they found nothing valuable in Mensa, they didn’t look very hard.
You can't derive an ought from an is. May as well have a club for people who have large noses, and lounge about admiring how wide they can flare their nostrils as to gather for no other reason than to to be smart around one another.
Unless there is some other motivation that calls people together, or they find some commonality outside identity, it seems destined to manifest as identitarianism, and from there a kind of collective self-essentialism. "Huffing their own farts," I like to call it.
Or at least: If it is an identity, a sense of belonging, and a fair bit of competitive conflict a person is looking for, these seem like the arrangement of conditions to offer it.
On the other hand, If being smart is merely a tool, and a person is principled, reasonable, self-aware, and in posession of a spine they might use it to some right end.
Otherwise, I generally see self-identified "smart people" occupy themselves with convenience, opportunism, luxury, status, apologetics, self-preservation and vice, all catered for them into their safe, clean enclaves, armored by a storied tradition of capitulation to the violent and the powerful.
But I'm a grump, so... 👻
@@CapnSnackbeardwe do need eugenics programs and to incentivize these kinds of people to have children. Our future humanity depends on it. Problem? This program belongs in a Jane Austen novel. We need something better. But you know what the psychopaths runn8ng the western world into an iceberg care about? Epsteins island and a quick grift. Not the future of humanity.
@@scottjackson163 smart people aren't in mensa, they're either in academia or getting rich
@@icodestuff6241 Not everyone who is smart is a success in life. A lot of genius people out there collecting welfare or cleaning toilets for a living. Some of them are even homeless. Very smart people also have a high rate of mental issues.
You’re exactly right. It’s just paying for a status symbol. The member fees were a lot too, the last I saw.
There is this documentary about second life by Mr. Moon. Can very much recommend it.
real world accomplishment is all that matters in this world
Most people can just watch a few videos on how to answer IQ teet questions and score pretty high . Having useful and marketable skills is more important than being good at pattern recognition.
But an I.Q.-test is about being intelligent, not about being good at memorization.
@Alx1744 It is not about being intelligent. It's about some form of pattern recognition and exposure to those patterns that is tested.
It's culture based usually. Low income children with non high school graduates' parents IQs would be tested. Then, a person with a college degree would join the family's household. The children would be eventually retested. Their test scores rise significantly. When the college educated person eventually leave the family's home, their scores eventually drop significantly.
So, it's not raw intelligence that testing is based on. It's more nurture than nature.
thats why they clearly say you're not supposed to study and don't publish the tests. IQ does measure intelligence, just not well. Those who say IQ means nothing are dumb and likely coping about being dumb, while those who say it means everything are also dumb and are probably coping with being less successful than those with less IQ. Pattern recognition is a very important skill when it comes to problem solving and innovation. That said, creativity and other misc. traits are also needed.
@icodestuff6241 As they say, creativity can't be measured with an iQ test. The only thing it can reliably measure is the level of specific learning retardation someone has. And brilliance in other areas. For example, an "idiot savant".
See, I would say that being *very* good at pattern recognition would be an incredibly useful and marketable skill.
So membership fee per month is about $6.00 the magazine sells for $11,00 but if you pay a yearly subscription it's only $6,00 per month..
I don't understand why you left, and if you really understand what Menza is about.
Anyway good luck for the future.
Wait what, you have to pay money to be a member of Mensa? So why wouldn't they just tell people they where smarter than they actually where in order to get them to pay for a subscription? Just saying, 150,000+ members is an awful lot of geniuses who just happen to have the money to pay.
* were
There ARE costs associated with running any organization. It's not expensive.
There is also an awful lot of people in general. The top 2% qualify.
True, costs exist, but "not expensive" is subjective. For some, a membership fee might be a barrier. Perhaps Mensa could offer scholarships or sliding scales to ensure intellectual access isn't limited by financial limitations.@@XB10001
That’s a smart move to not pay for status 😅
Definitely. Once you have the card to flash, that's all you need.
Some people who join Mensa don’t “flash the card” and in fact don’t tell many people about belonging.
@@scottjackson163True. The postmaster and a few family members know I am a member outside of my member friends. However, I do use some of the discounts when they apply. That just makes sense.
When you flash the MENSA card does people reaction match up your expectations? Do they tell you to get lost?
i've found that most people get very sexually attracted as soon as you flash the card at them. they're asking where is the nearest hotel, how many minutes will it take to get there, who could get there faster between 2 different routes (to make sure you aren't carrying a fake card before you give them your genius seed so they can have a high IQ baby that will get them rich).
Yes, it's definitely a status symbol that only appeals to people who care about it. I have more respect for the guys who empty my bins every Thursday morning, supporting their families, than I have for someone who's useless to society in comparison.
I don’t have a card. I am also a member. From where did soo get it?
There's another organization, I forget the name, I think it was the Latin word for giraffe, for the top 0.2% or something like that. My uncle was in it. Newsletter, no meetings or SIGs or much else. Not sure what the point was of that org, but as a reporter and Action Line writer, my uncle probably found some good contacts in that group for unearthing obscure information.
Yeah ... you don't join to boast, really.
If it doesn't work for you, it just doesn't.
I met GREAT people, and that worked for me. Even being relatively shy, like you.
What do you actually gain from a membership? Are there any actionable rights or privileges that I can gain? Do I benefit from meetings and articles? Is there any access to a network that can accelerate my career, or any real status at all?
You meet other people who will most likely have similar interests to yours.
That's the reason why we joined at home.
You can mate with other intelligent people and save the planet one baby at a time.
Good thinking.
Yup, Mensa has some value but overall, high IQ isn't a good basis for a group. Nothing to bind everyone together such as a goal, large ongoing project, philosophical ideals. Sometimes they'll have an interesting speaker for the monthly meeting, like the one time we had a Secret Service agent give a talk. All the action is in SIG (Special Interest Groups) where there is a theme or topic or long-term goal to bring focus. I started a SIG myself, and it was rewarding to do for a while. But IQ alone is not a good binder of people!
Do you have to pay the IQ test and Mensa membership? I did an online iq test at brainety and got 134… so I wonder if I should try Mensa
Hi Becca. I can't remember if I paid for the test. I probably did. The MENSA membership is a regular subscription.
I should add that Mensa send you a free home test to do first, which you send back to them for scoring. If you get high enough in that (135+ I think) then they invite you to do the supervised test (mine was at the local college).
I only got around 139 on both the online and home tests, but then got 151 in the classroom, so you'll probably get higher than your 134. I think the reason for the higher score in the classroom test is that you're much more focussed on it.
@@jasonwebb71 not more focused. But more knowing what to expect too.
Mensa test is very easy, from what I have seen apparently everyone get a high score.
To know your actual IQ the WAIS-IV is the only test recognized as accurate enough.
Mensa doesn’t not seems accurate enough to me.
@@Devi_Seona The Mensa test is based on an average IQ of 100 for the population. If "everyone gets a high score" like you say, the average score wouldn't be 100.
I used to belong to Mensa. I’ve been in and out several times since the early 1980s. I have nothing bad to say about the group. If I were a single person, I would rejoin.
Yes, don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the group or the people in it. I just felt that I personally wasn't getting anything out of it. Primarily because I'm an introvert, so the group activities and meetings just didn't appeal to me.
Intelligence, defined as pattern recognition _AND_ the regulation thereof (meaning: beyond matrices), is known to correlate with disagreeableness.
If you go to a meeting under the predicate logic that defines intelligence per a test score and not by metrics involving contributions to society at large and feel like you're on the same page as most there, you are probably in a cult-like setting more than anything else. A benign cult-like setting, granted.
Apple Computer was destined for the bin when Jobs was ushered back in. What did he do differently at that second turn? He brought in people from a variety of disciplines and forced himself to be patient-- a behemoth of a tall order for a person of behemoth temper-- with disagreeable types. In other words, he steered the company further away from what looked 'proper' on paper.
@@sloftyYou are implying, I think, that people who belong to Mensa are not also accomplished. Is there evidence for this assertion? As for Mensa being cult-like, are Ivy League universities cult-like? People get their hackles up about any elite organization.
@@scottjackson163 I 'took' a WAIS following a hemorrhagic stroke. Both of my neurologists, a psychiatrist, and the test proctor (a clinical psychologist) made it clear that the test was solely for assessing for cognitive deficits; nonetheless I later learned the result's FS was within MENSA admission spec.
My experience at the chapter I went to-- in a rather populated region of the country, mind you-- made it quite clear that I was there for reasons quite different than the others. If I were to distill it to one, it is this: they had/have some need to prove something; I, on the other hand, was simply curious.
There are far better clubs/groups/associations. **Wanting** to be seen as smart is for losers.
Living happy life and being consistent with yourself is more important than being Mensa member.
I wanted to join, but they told me I am to dumb...
To be honest mate, I don't think this warranted a video.
Thank you for your opinion.
Ppl in Mensa don't have a lot going on
Yeah, it had some potential for deeper insights into why bringing together an elite of people with the highest IQ appears to have no tangible benefits for humanity or its members. Could that be because the ability to solve puzzles is basically where IQ begins and ends as a measure of mental faculties? Imagine if Xavier assembled his mutants with the sole purpose of attending monthly meetings and publishing a magazine 😂
@@Mekchanoid they retest until they can include you probably... Since that's how they make money, or just lie and say you have a high IQ. But ya IQ is so fictional it's pretty amazing, it's hard to describe how arbitrary it really is, even as a measure of intelligence. The amount of obvious holes added to the fact that it doesn't even work might be a big clue...
Not that smart for that high IQ, I agree.
Boasting, showing off and 0 useful information.
How is it to be one of smarter person on the earth?
Proves my point: The only reason to join MENSA is to show your score. Took you all of 10 seconds to get to it.
So many things wrong with this. At least you figured it out in the end. BTW, showing your card is a sure sign of a lack of intelligence/good judgment.
@@chuknorth What's wrong with showing the card? The membership number is no longer applicable, and my name is all over this channel anyway, so what secrets am I giving away?
Gee chuk, looks like someone's salty about not being accepted into Mensa. better luck next time mate
Only a Mensan would make the point you did. it's club for weak egos who feel validated by a normal score. it's weird, honestly. btw, my IQ is none of your business, or anyone's. It's a meaningless number for anyone except those with the need to share. Mensa Official, right. @@MensaOfficial
It’s a club though, like any other club, some people like being part of it because of the social meetings and stuff, others don’t, I don’t think the “only reason” is to brag about how smart u are
Men: “I’m a member of Mensa. They have cool gatherings, but honestly it feels like a grift and I feel rather low int for paying into it.”
Know who goes? Nobody. Because being smart is a handicap. We’re all shut ins. We don’t fit into a world bent on wrecking itself with emotionalist ideals and irrational politic. Were Not usually sociable. I don’t imagine it’s fun being around chemistry majors with Lucifer complexes either. Easy to contract the disease when you feel like the world is an idiocracy actively trying to keep itself from solving any of its problems.
Even the Women in Mensa: “Wow. Cool. I like smart guys. Whose that guy behind you? With the doo-rag? Oh he’s just the delivery guy for the Mensa event? Is he a felon? Oh wow. He’s scary. think he’s got a girlfriend?”
It’s over for humanity. Just got hold on for the designer genes and Android surrogates.
Therapy exists, you know...
@@slofty I've actually heard mensa can be okay. Depends on where you are. But Im not wrong.
Things are very bleak and getting bleaker. I think you have to be insane to willfully ignore modern patterns. How would you not go insane with blackrock, tiktok, and pfizer? Every new day brings with it some soul destroying grift of an abomination out of a lovecraft novel released onto humanity. Some new grift that rots any potential future away. Besides as if im going to talk to some 115 psych grad for 300 an hour. Im not insane. I live in an insane world. I keep asking myself if im crazy because I cant believe the clown boat im sinking in -that im expected to accept responsibility for.
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Im never gonna join mensa, why the fudge would i want to pay some goofers a fine for being smart, and them then telling me that i am...
Doesnt sound very smart if you ask me.
I live in Europe and got my iq test from an actual psychologist (WAIS-IV test)
This is also a problem with mensa, they only use the Stanford-Binet test or sometimes the cattell test
(Cattell test is the one people use their testscores to sound really smart even though they aint)
132 Stanford-binet ≈ 148 Cattell.
Now people be running around thinking they got 148 IQ 😑 good job mensa.
I am also a mensan, and i dont hv to quit mensa, there are more people in mensa compared to any other brainy group. The cream of mensans still outnumbered those in higher iq group. All of em
In my opinion you should become a professional poker player. The fact that you have a high IQ and you are a introvert will put you at a huge advantage!! Good luck at the tables
I'm a smart person, people tell me that. But, I am afraid to take an IQ test because I might find out that I am actually an idoit.
Well, intelligence can't be measured exactly, you know... Some IQ tests challenge your pattern recognition, some math, etc. I'm not even speaking about Emotional Intelligence. So it's really complicated and you should not bind yourself to any test's result. I believe that sometimes continuous efforts with "an average" mind are better at the end of the day than impulsive actions of "'a gifted"' one.
To me, getting a good score doesn't mean anything. To prove that one is a smart person, design a new product, come up with new ideas etc... Just sitting around doing these questions isn't that useful to the society!
Can't people do both?
@@jasonwebb71 Well, the results only impress maybe young people but a grown up adult would have realised that in real life, one needs more than just a score to be successful in life.
I say again, people can have both. They don't need to choose one or the other.
Gathering as much knowledge as possible on many subjects, or one which you're looking to specialize in is the best thing to do, regardless of your intelligence. It will lead to better decision making. Hard to make the right choices when you don't have the knowledge needed.
@@tanpham762no an iq score isn’t a measure of your success in life? It is a good measure of your intelligence. Which does happen to correlate with success but it definitely doesn’t guarantee it without hard work and discipline to go with.
Well you're smarter than me I scored a 98 on iq tests. I could do calculus in my head and still can't get a high iq.
The test is more comprehensive. However, there IS a correlation with analytical thinking, and mathematical skills.
If you really care, take the exam again.
Got 92 on fluid and 118 on mensa norway.
It’s a rancid test because it only measures insignifigant qualities like pattern recognition, and the fluid test was atrocious for me because of ASD and ADD.
I’d say having a strong mind and willpower and the will to sacrifice for oppertunity makes you more intelligent than a person with an IQ of 180 who sits at home all day not doing shit
You need a different kind of card if you want to impress the ladies.
mensa isn't something like old people acting like they are so smart?
I am listed on the World Genius Directory
If that is true, that is an achievement worth mentioning. After a car accident I took rhe WAIS and Stanford Binet and my neuropsychologist told me to join Mensa, but I never did. Why? I had challenges to overcome after the accident, and of course never made the time. I seriously doubt I could have achieved what you did. You were kindly blessed by nature.
There are way better socities anyway where you don't have to pay, such as the Glia Society.
And the kink community.
Minute 2:30: Why are we women unimpressed when a man pulls out the mensa card? Because we are born with the ability to assess men's talents ourselves. Without this ability, we humans would not exist.
Women have no idea how to pick a man. Look at the divorce rate. What are you talking about
I wouldn’t say born with it. Definitely not the smart guys who get the girls in high school.
@@finn54123 I recently read about an experiment in psychology. Women were asked how they rated the intelligence of men whose photos they were shown. The intelligence of the affected men was also tested. It turned out that the women's assessment was significantly correct!
@@andreahoehmann1939 I was just making a joke about how young women don’t go for the smart ones. Also intelligence affects your outward appearance so I wouldn’t be surprised if that were true. But it’s not a sixth sense I doubt you’d get the same result of all of the men had blank expressions and were wearing the same clothes.
@@finn54123 I don't remember whether all the men in the experiment were dressed the same, but I'm not sure whether that plays a significant role. People today don't always show how successful they are through their clothing. Things were probably different 100 years ago. I don't believe in supernatural powers, but I do believe in special forms of intelligence that enable some people to recognize what lies behind the speech of a conversation partner: boasting, dishonesty, an attempt to hide something - all of this can often be easily recognized . Not only older people, but also young women are able to do this. If that weren't the case, then you would probably have to make a plea for the parents to initiate marriages, because they are more experienced.
...ok. Ah, Mr. genius ...maybe play something on the keyboards behind you.
Perhaps he doesn't value money. The way that you do.
Intelligence is figuring out what fo do when you don't know what to do.
I think of intelligence as facts, and wisdom as the context and perspective necessary to use the available facts effectively, and intentionally toward ends that align with ones gials and values. Not to argue about what the definitions, just to point out that there is knowing facts, and there is the kind of knowing that lets us figure out what to do with those facts, and why maybe.
I think of intelligence as knowing facts, and wisdom as the context and perspective necessary to use the available facts effectively, and intentionally toward ends that align with ones goals and values.
Not meaning to argue about the definitions, just to agree that there is knowing facts, and there is the kind of knowing that lets us figure out what to do with those facts, and why maybe.
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I think smart people enjoy their own company, anyway
Crime against intelligence. ☺️. Good one. There is a crime attached to any idea or concept we hold these days.
let me think of one hmmm schools a lot of them are
What activity do you pursue with your 151? High IQ means obligation to high service to mankind within one s talents.
😅😅😅
he pursues naked women :)
You clearly haven't watched the video where I discuss that very topic.
Well, if society actual give a fuck about people with high IQ like giving them the opportunity or the tool so they can reach their full potential. Unfortunately, society do not care about intelligence, they only care about monetary status and wealth
Watching the video again I only noticed that you told the same erratic story about four times. Your service to mankind is perhaps in another of your videos.
Well at least you don't have to tell everyone you meet that your Mensa..lol
Good grief - all that claptrap to show a crappy card that says 'hey, I'm superior and cleverer than you' - tragic. To be honest, you don't sound very intelligent to me, such a boringly conventional use of language in all it's forms drips painfully slowly from you during this borefest. If someone showed me their MENSA card and expected me to be impressed I think I'd laugh.