Ferrari 488 VS Ferrari 458 - Did Ferrari LOSE ITS SOUL?
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There is a fairly heated debate about which is better, the Ferrari 458 or the newer and faster 488. Of course this mostly centers around the sound and turbos. Does adding turbos kill the soul of a screaming Ferrari? Let's find out!
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The 458 is my realistic dream car. I have a cheap 911 right now. I am getting myself completely debt free first. Ideally pay cash for the car too.
My dads getting one this month it’s gonna be epic
You go Eric. I want a Ferrari too let’s do it
Keep it up hope u purchase it soon !
Hope the savings going good, you got this Eric!
I'm getting one as well, but I want the 488 or 430, I been saying it for years now and I ain't giving up on it, we can all do it and when we do we should have a car meet 😇😅
458 All the way.
Far superior styling (imo);
More desirable engine character: throttle response, maximum rpm and speed with which the block builds rpm;
Far greater exhaust note;
Total power output more usable on the street.
Listen to a full novitec exhaust on a 488 it sounds amazing m.th-cam.com/video/bAC1BT4dd8U/w-d-xo.html
The simplest answer is usually the most correct, and I think this extends to a car's styling. The more they tack on vents, cuts, and lines to the same basic design dating back to the 458, the worse it looks.
You obviously know its your opinion.
Imo I think the 488 looks a little better than the 458 and the f8 - but all 3 look great but the 458 looks a little too plain on the side of the car and I like the little intake on the side of the car and the 458 has cooling issues because there’s barely any intake but either way it’s beautiful
My main gripe with the 488 is the hood vents, I always think they look like really badly misaligned panels. Maybe it's a throwback to the decades past lol. I also don't like the buck teeth up front. The Pista fixes both these imo
Love my 488. Was a bit meh about the sound at first, but with the force open valve mod, it's pretty nice sounding, especially on the downshift. Also, the turbo whistle at high revs sounds like you're in a jet. I think it looks awesome as well. Oh yea... and the drive... super fun
Dan,
Thanks for the objective review. Over 650hp and over 500ft-lbf torque on pump gas is pretty nice. I'm thinking the difference in exhaust sound is firmly placed in the "first world problem" category. Typically, the people listening to the exhaust are behind you, and with the extra 100hp, they're further behind.... Both are beautiful cars and either one would put a smile on my face.
The turbos in the european cars are not for HP, are for the EURO6 the anti-pollution standard. what we have in europe is horrible, I'm envious of you... We have engines with 3 cilindres...it's horrible!!!
I don't know where are you from but here in Italy we also have the Twinair engines, 0.9 l 2 cylinders turbo 😭
The 458 is the better option in my opinion, a n/a 9k rpm v8 producing 562hp and it has more soul when driving. I’ve driven both and from 0-62mph they don’t feel that different in terms of speed.
The 488 most certainly feels faster. It's got way more torque. But I still prefer the 458.
Opening a physical location in these uncertain times takes stones.
the 458 has a much better sound and a better engine . the engine on this one is smaller with two turbos to compensate . the styling of the 458 is pure and the 488 looks like a 458 with holes made aftermarket. 458 all the way , looks , sound , feeling , character , engine . this is why today the 458 is almost the same price as the 488
Yes. The 488 owners are pissed how much there values have dropped so fast. They made twice as more 488 than 458.
I'd like to see you get your hands on an F8 for a 3-way comparison.
Can’t go wrong with either. Personally I like the 488 better, but I maybe biased since I own one. Another great review Dan. Thanks for keeping us smiling.
Pretty much spot on. The 458 tuned and complete exhaust mod. Will blow this car away. The biggest improvement on the 488 I liked was the breaks. Other than that I do like the 458 more. The also produced 2 times more of 488’s. And has hit there value. Because the F8 Tributo is so much better and good that many owners will trade in the 488 and get the F8. But many owners of 458 are electing to keep longer and get a F8 or 4 or 6 years old, Or just keep it all together. Because it’s the last natural aspirated car and gives you the real Ferrari sensation of that Formula 1 high pitch. 458 will retain there value more than the 488. Many of my friends that own 488 are actually pissed. Due to the fact they payed big money and the car has lost half its value. Also they made twice as many. So more on the market. Where 458 are not. Great show. Thanks.
The nose of the 488 is imho its worst angle. The Pista looks great, but neither are as elegant as the 458 ( an aesthetic highpoint). The F8 tributo although by no means elegant looks, I think a lot more interesting than the 488. Still a great piece of kit though! Nice review Dan Cheers.
Indeed
458 all the way for me. Luv the styling vs 488 and it has more than enough performance for me abilities. Plus that exhaust sound!!! But since my pocket book will not allow me either, the Camry SE looks damn good😎
Haha yes indeed
Not specific to this video, but I just have to say, I love your content. Ownership, repairs, modifications, and car reviews. You are insightful on the things I actually care about and your commentary is genuine. I will continue to live vicariously through your experience. Cheers.
I appreciate that! Thank you. :)
Glad you made this review. I’ve noticed prices of the 488 GTB in near parity with some 458’s. Personally, I like the looks of the 488, but the drama is a major sales point. I got to drive the F8 recently which I imagine to be similar to the 488. Everything was great, but it seemed a little too docile (sound/rawness). Don’t get me wrong, it was insanely and impressively fast, but the grin factor is less. I get that emissions rules and gov’t mandates are forcing the homogenization of cars (eventually turning them into appliances), but the concern is; at what point do you just go buy the Porsche, lol. For the rich who can afford to keep the classics and buy the newest car each generations, no biggie. However, for the lower tiers of us who may buy one or two super cars in our lifetimes, the size of the buyers market may be reduced. I expect these newer ones to depreciate much more quickly than the older generations. In fact, I foresee the day your 458 is worth two 488’s. Thanks for the video Dan!
I think they blended the turbo whistle with the engine sound in a way that complements it. It's different and I was a bit of an NA purist. I had a R8 V10+ with a capristo and that sounded awesome, but this is a different kind of awesome sound when the turbo whistles
The graphics are horrible!
What about them?
Italiano software ingegneri lol.
The Sound is the soul of sports car experience. Ferrari lost its mark with the turbo engine and the 488 really sounds like a McLaren or 911. Doesn't excite me at all. 458 is the last true Ferrari unfortunately
Indeed. The 458 is my all time favorite.
Once again an intelligent detailed and down to earth review thanks Dan I owe you several beers 🍻 😊
Thanks
Thanks for the comparison review! I appreciate your insights
My pleasure!
Honestly as nice as the 488 is, I found it just wasn’t for me. I rented one a few years ago, fortunately it was “new” with only 500 miles, and I found I didn’t care for the car feeling like it was always itching to go faster at highway speeds. Almost like it was cutting in and out. Granted I had my 12 year old daughter with me and remained subdued but it just constantly felt like it wanted to be going far faster then 65.
The stock exhaust is really really quiet. I mean really quiet compared to past Ferrari’s.
The ride quality is second to none and light years ahead of the f430. I found that I’d rather be in the California or the 458 though as they didn’t feel like they constantly wanted to leap out from under me.
Ferrari would have had to make a 5.5L V8(max displacement for naturally aspirated GT2 class racing) with a 9000rpm rpm limit, 103mm bore and 82.5mm stroke(230mm deck height and a 110mm to 115mm bore spacing), 730PS(720 HP) and 680nm(502ft.lbs).
I get that trying to explain the turbo force vs the NA style. It's rather satisfying. It's growing on me, as it feels better in all gears at all levels. Having to learn how to change gear faster that an NA supercar as it red lines so fast
Awesome video Dan the man what you gonna be for Halloween
60k subs! Still doing the sliplo scrape guards?
So which do you prefer Dan?
The look on your face says 458😆 It’s very hard not to associate the sound that usually comes with Ferrari unless you’ve never heard one before. I hear the Tributo is a little on the quiet side also unfortunately☹️
Calling it a 488 instead of a 3.9l V8 (398GTB) is understandable. Given that it is a size smaller than the 458 and 430.
It's 488cc per cylinder
The 488 uses the old Ferrari naming convention. The 250, 275, 330, 365 series were all the displacement of one cylinder in cc.
Don’t forget the fabolous 456
I love the Ferrari 488 GTB but unfortunately I missed my opportunity to drive a Ferrari 458 which has an excellent engine/exhaust sound.
Whatever happened to your 599 manual transmission conversion project? Still in the works?
Yes, waiting on parts.
I prefer the look of the 488, the performance speaks for itself, the look on your face says it all, it might intrest you to know this is not the first time Ferrari have used the cc's per cylinder model designation, they were using it in the 1960's, 70's, 250GTO, all the 250 series, 275 series, 365GT4, 365GT4/BB and so forth, 365GTC for example.......You know, I like the sound of the 488, and really, if you want more sound, as you say you can also sort the exhaust.........Nice review.
which road is your fav road? I live in austin I wanna try it out too!
edit: haha nevermind I was able to piece together where it was based on the background scenery
LOL at the "congratulations" clip. Not seen that in a few years :)
"Still have to fill it up with premium and all that stuff". What does this mean?
Also, can the thing on the shade above the windshield be removed?
It takes premium....
@@normalguysupercar Premium what?
17:24ish when you left on the launch control did you short shift first and second and Second to 3rd by any chance I know you had a really emotional expression but sure did not sound very impressive?! Trying to do research on 488 and 458 from your channel thanks for the great content.
I love the styling of the 488 more then the 458 but my god the sound of the 458 is simply out of this world.
Agreed
Dan, I think that you cut some corners on this comparison. You did not drive your 458 first and then the 488 so amplify the differences like you did on the last one.
No point in doing so. The 488 is far superior as a drivers car.
@@AB-80X But it does not hold a candle to the F8.
@@sihnbrekhtasar8079
Being a 488 Spider and Pista owner, with an F8 Spider on order, that is not entirely true. The F8 and 488 are very close. The Pista is the one that stands out.
@@AB-80X No, they are not close. The F8 has many design and aesthetic improvements. And if you have a Pista, why would you even want an F8? Unless you are lying about your ownership?
@@sihnbrekhtasar8079
I'm not lying. You are more than welcome to look me up on Ferrarichat. I'm a verified owner and what I think is correct to call a valued and respected member.
My 488 and Pista is in winter storage so don't wanna jump through hoops to prove anything. But here's a quick link toba recent thread I started reviewing Pagid RSL1 race pads in my 488 Spider. There are pics, but you have to sign up for those.
www.ferrarichat.com/forum/index.php?threads/629176/
If you follow this thread, I will do a lithium battery install in my Lusso next week. www.ferrarichat.com/forum/index.php?threads/630140/
Note that I might do a seperate thread detailing the proceedure. As icing on the cake, I can do a shout-out to you then.
Let's talk Pista vs. F8 for a moment. I use my 488 as a summer daily, so comfort is a factor. The Pista Spider is a great car, but it is not a car you want to use often. Trust me, I tried. I put 5k kilometres on it the first month I had it. It is much more noisy inside, there's no glove box, it is much harder etc. It is nothing like a 488 or F8. Servo is tuned differently, brake bias is different etc. I actually sold the Pista Spider Friday, and purchased a zero mileage Pista coupè as I wanted harnesses for track use and harnesses cannot be installed in the Spider. So I realized that the coupè was the better car for me. But it is very focused compared to the F8 and 488. The F8 offers Lusso levels of comfort when cruising along, and still manages to be sharp when pushed. But it does not have the agility and light feel ofca Pista, far from it. I have put an F8 order in as my 488 is getting a bit long in the tooth with over 35k hard km on the clock.
I have had the chance to experience all three cars back to back, on track and road, and the 488 and F8 are the close ones. The F8 is actually slightly softer than the 488 and thus is even further from the feel of the Pista.
I'm just conveying my experiences and I stand to gain or lose nothing by it. If you have not driven any of them I fully understand why they might seem very close. But fact is that they aren't and as a pair, the F8 and Pista co-exist very well and offer a unique experience.
How would you compare it to F12? Now 488 and F12 can be had for $200k. I just sold my F430 on your site. Thanks.
The front engine cars are completely different...
The 458 holding their value better than the 488 says it all.
true
I still rather a 458 Speciale
458 is better
Yup
Cool cars!!! What about the 430 Scud? :)
Better than both of these cars.
The sound, looks, and the crazy gearshifts man.
The dual clutch boxes feel like slushboxes in comparision to the Scuds single clutch one
@@siddharthsharma8940 🤣🤣🤣
@@siddharthsharma8940 Scuderia isn't really that good looking. Depends what angle you see it from. And it's most likely a completely nightmare to maintain. So no, it's not better than those cars.
The difference in price between a 458 and a 488 is not much. That tells you something.
Yeah. And the difference between an F430 and 458 is not much either. Tells you nothing. The 488 is still the more expensive car in most places and will continue to be so. Find me a nice 488 for less than 150usd.
@@AB-80X Not really. Do your research. I own a few Ferraris and you don't buy the cheapest one. 458s range from 170 to 200 and 488 are 210 to 230 for a coupe. 430s are below 100k.
@@LeoPiero I suspect that we are both FChatters, and I own few myself including a 488 Spider. I know my market here in Europe. Last I checked the US market the Italia was in the 140-160 range, and the 488 is in the 18-220 range. You need to look at what cars move rather than just was they list at.
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You want me to keep going? Like I said, there are priced to move and wishful pricing. Demanding over 200k for an Italia in the US is nonsense. The Spiders are below that. They are in the 190-210 area and 488 Spiders seem to move at around 230-250 usd.
The Euro market is a little different, and the 458 has taken a deeper hit here than in the US.
@@AB-80X yes I'm a Fchatter for telwenty years. US market is not the euro market. Red under 20k mile's for 140 doesn't exist in the USA. Maybe some yellow good examples no stories for 160. You buy on options not price There are plenty of threads on Fchat about this subject.
Leo, don't listen to this guy, he is nothing more than an FCHAT dushbag! Claims he owns all these cars... if you have a a 488 spider or a Pista, there is no way in hell that you would own a Lusso or a Portofino.... I mean.... why? Just proves that you are nothing more than a European goonbag.
I recently drove the F8 and it was brutally fast. Sounds better than the 488 too. Still keeping my 458 though.
Don't show dash line on the road when testing launch control. Someone can calculate your speed🤣
Love the "I hate turbo lag" T-shirt
Thank you! I sell it on my website
Does anyone have any idea why the 458 seems to be retaining value better than the 488? Is it because the naturally aspirated engine with less production? Just curious!
Correct
I like the way that the 488 looks more too
Great review as always !!! It's funny, when 458 came out it was my least favorite as it looked plain from a side view and I thought the 488 was a champ. But after subscribing to your channel and seeing your 458, Loepers and Richard's, it became a new favorite as it's a lot sexier than 488.... also, your s-line exhaust sounds way better than that one....488 is gorgeous but I prefer your 458....
The 20th century end on 31 Dec 2000. Welcome to the 21st century Normal Guy.
Thanks Dan....
What's up with the 599
Both are amazing in their ways, but after I tested the F8, I prefer it over the two "458 and 488" with the F8 Ferrari made it perfect! Very close to the 488 Pista but with even more final speed! Regarding 488 GTB and 458 I still have my doubts, because the "problem" of the sound with a direct exhaust solves and is almost as good as the sound of the 458! For the rest the 488 is a superior car! Great content!
Great review. It's all about progression and this 488 seems more refined. I think the soul is there.
Where is the comparisson ro the 458? I only saw the 488 in this video
In the video
@@normalguysupercar but you just showed the 488 and only talked abput the 458 withoit showing it
Missing the DRAMA!
458 for me. It’s my dream car, that or a C8 Z06 now and he’ll I may just have to try and acquire both at some point in my future. I’m a huge NA guy! I coikd care less about how much faster the 488 is, I’m not trying to even do 200mph but the occasional weekend track days and canyon runs are a yes.
Yes indeed.
458 italia is better than 488 gtb
I think so
430 all the way! Wrong convo?
Shots fired!
From your car...
I really wanted to see the F1 type fog light - does it go ON-OFF-ON-OFF like a F1 car ?? Ooooh.
Also - it sounds like a cross plane crank ? - is that it ?
458 is my dream car and I’m very young far from even getting my hands on one but I’ll do whatever it takes to get one even if it’s dated in the future I wouldn’t mind to invest in the car to keep it running and working like a brand new one
That's the right attitude
Nice vid mate...while both are lovely for me the 458 is just a bit more speacial...no pun intended. And although while naturally aspirated unless you are in a drag race with a 720s its hardly slow. And of course it does sound better.
Would you pick a 458 or 488? If you only had one choice and why?
I'd lean towards the 458 but both are incredible
Congrats! Both beautiful cars.
Thanks!
More engine takeoff timestamps!
488 GTB: 17:17
488 GTB from the outside: 17:57
Thanks
488 more performance than 458 yes and 430 of course BUT was its amazing in my opinion is that the rear and side look of the F430 is nicer than the two younger brothers.
The f430 is certainly a sexy car.
I think the 458 is the best sports car out there… no matter what you do to the 488, the 458 will always sound better… 458 also has better styling and 500+ hp is plenty power for the 458, you can actually use the car to its limit.
Yeah I pretty agree
The 488 is not the same engine as the Cali T. They don't even share displacement.
FCHAT Dushbag!
After 5 minute conversation hearing about how the 488 sucks and the 458 was better, about how the 488 has no soul and Ferrari lost it's way, I ask the person at the meet what Ferraris they own or have driven. Silence...then they say they have never even driven a Ferrari and they walk away and go back to their apartment to read Car and Driver. BOTH cars are amazing! Don't criticize any exotic if you are driving a Minivan! LOL Buy either....you can't lose!
That's pretty true
would cat deletes and x pipe void the warranty? i know mclarens are notoriously famous for this
Yes, mostly the cat deletes
Why the 512 on the side? The rear spoiler is for down force/grip/braking. This vid will explain. th-cam.com/video/QVRCqLRgZRQ/w-d-xo.html
I’ll take it with or without a soul 😅
Unfortunately i think here in Germany you can´t delete the cats :/
You can do that as much as you can in the US. It's illegal to do most places.
Capristo and Novitec which are both European based companies offer cat delete pipes for the 488.
@@AB-80X I know that Novitec probably works but the regulations system here is so complicated to understand and pretty f***ed up to be honest.
@@td8552 I live in Denmark and my dealer is the Scandinavian Capristo distributor.
All you need is the Capristo OBD Wizard. It's very easy to decat the 488 here in Europe. I used to have 100 Cell cats on my Lusso, also used the OBD Wizard. No CEL or anything.
@@AB-80X Ok good to know :) but i said it cause i know a lot of people that have all the correct and legal paperwork and still the police takes their cars from them away.
oh god pls..
They should turn back to the N/A v8
Chemical Guys is now sold in Walmart, bad idea to open a shop selling Chemical Guys.
Beautiful cars
Thanks!
I wanna know that Meg's comparison was.
She'd probably say, eh whatever
It only lost its soul if u believe what others say who hate on turbo cars.
Pound-feet, Dan, not foot-pounds. Common mistake :)
@turbo Boost. Dang man, thanks for calling that out. I just spent a half hour educating myself on the difference between the two. I can't believe no one has ever corrected me before. I've been botching that for quite some time now.
You focused so much on the 488 and basically ignored the 458.
Ok
Still have large panel gaps
No it gained turbos which is fucking awesome
True
9:36 21st century
488 I'm sold!!!!!!!!!
Heck yeah
@@normalguysupercar but I gotta wait till my crypto takes off.. .lol
"See you in a year" mark my words
458 is overrated 488 does everything better.
Except noise. But yea pretty much.
LOL No soul lost. It's basically the same car. The exhaust can be fixed if you want to pay for it. The 458 had a son and it's the 488.
Lamborghini interiors looks way better and more modern. For what you pay for s Ferrari I need more buttons and options
F430 was the last real FERRARI
looks like a 10 year old kid designed the livery!
Ferraris are big money pits!
In my mind Ferrari lost it's soul after the 430.
How? They've made some all time greats. 458 Speciale, F12 TDF, etc.
@@xtype2006 Ohh man. Hell no.. TDF??? Smh.
@@xtype2006 Wait.. 458 no.. Speciale.. yes.😊 Speciale was the last then.
@@konnectoneforexsignals7844 Whaat? To each their own of course, but the TDF is considered to be a very special car by most, hence the premium over MSRP still today.
@@xtype2006 TDF looks like a regular car to me. Honestly..I see them and never even take a second look. But an F50.. Yeah. Lucky I was in my Subaru and not my Vette. I would have followed him after the stop light.
But..the Ferraris of the past are the true icons. Now...?? nah.. not interested.