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- The 2022 BRZ/GR86 received a 40-50 whp increase over the previous gen, but what happens when you turbocharge a first gen? With 270 whp, does this 2019 BRZ Performance Pack make the stock FA24 feel underwhelming?
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2019 Subaru BRZ Performance Pack - Mod List:
JDL Turbo v2.1 Turbo Kit (GTX2867R Gen2, UEL Dumptube: Recirculated, Intercooler, Prewelded Oil Pan, All Parts Cerakote Heat Coated)
OpenFlash Tuning Tablet - Version 2 (Currently on Stage 2 Tune)
HKS Super Hybrid Panel Air Filter - 2017+ BRZ (MT) / 86
Annex Suspension Group FastRoad Pro
SPC Rear Control Arms
JDL Auto Design Dual Resonated Front Pipe
JDL Oil Cooler
JDL FT86 Bash Bar
ACT SB7-HDSS Clutch Kit (Versus CD, Forged Clutch Fork Upgrade, Billet Clutch Fork Pivot, 2017+ Revised Throwout Bearing)
Deatschwerks Injectors and Plugs
StopTech - Premium High Carbon Brake Rotor Disk Front + Rear
Brembo Pad Set (P56048N + P54039N)
Greddy Evolution GT Exhaust
WedsSport TC105X Wheel - 17x9.0 / 5x100 / Offset +35 (Face: MR) (EJ Titan) + Project Kics R40 Neo Chrome Lug Nuts (16+4 Locks) - 12x1.25
Michelin Pilot Sport 4S 245/40R17
STI Under Spoiler Front Lip- E2410CA000
Kouki TRD K1X Paint Patched Side Skirts - MS344-18004-A1 - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
I'd be curious to see you review a turbo vs. supercharged BRZ back to back. To me, the Jackson Racing supercharger kit seems to be the best forced induction option for these cars -- carb certified and retains OEM fuel economy and drivability. Also keeps the character of the engine with a linear powerband.
This would be a lot of fun. If anyone in the bay area has a supercharged gen 1, DM or shoot me an email. I'll invite Aakash back out for a comparo. Let's make it happen!
this is a great idea. the JR kit is awesome, i've had it for almost 2 years now and i would love to see how it compares to a turbo setup back to back as well!
The Harrop kit out of Australia was the best blower option for that generation of car.
I’ve had two frs with a Jackson racing supercharger and another with a jdl turbo kit. I’d take the Jackson racing kit 10/10 over a turbo due to the linear power band. The turbo kit made more power and turbo noises were fun but a supercharger suited the car better in my experience.
@@Zygrene come visit SLC, daddy Zygrene, you can play with our jrc38 hbp, full ace exhaust, shaftworks bilanx, Perrin sway bars, arc8 sx2, and a bunch of other stuff brz as well as a very modified Elise, a very modified 690 SMC r, a basically stock tuono v4, a scrambler with cafe racer panigale conversion, and an old crappy sonata.
You didn't sound as excited when you started driving your own car. 😂
LOL true. Probably have driven that road in my car too many times now. I'm all about new experiences when it comes to cars.
Keep up the good work. You are out here answering the questions people want to know. I see you don’t have that many subscribers yet, but you will.
Another great video answering what alot of people have wondered. I imagine there is similar money in both cars if you bought a used 2019 and modded vs buying a new stock 2022. The new 86/BRZ is the most exciting car to come out the last couple years. Can’t wait to drive one… my buddy is waiting on his manual premium pack gr86 to arrive in 2 weeks. I’m anxious to finally try one out since I haven’t seen a bad review yet.
Excellent comparison that I as a first gen BRZ was looking for, much appreciated.
I live in Germany, the new gen was sold out in one week, I have to wait until 2023.
Love my 2022 BRZ. No regrets! And this is coming from a 2017 STi 🤙🏻
Good video!
Cheers!
Great video. Makes me feel even better about still owning my 2013. It turning 100k last year, so I put on the Edelbrock supercharger. All said and done she is putting out 294 rwhp on 91octane. I love the car even more. So happy I did the upgrade.
Thank you so much for your videos, you seem to really know how to push a car sensibly on road. I honestly look forward to your videos coming out
Thanks David! More to come soon
I got a 2022 BRZ last fall. I think the power is adequate for NA for sure. My only gripe with it is that... it's not a Honda. I know that's wild, but coming from Honda's NA 4s to the FA24 it just feels... it's less smooth and it doesn't feel as exciting up to redline as some of Honda's offerings.
Otherwise it's fantastic and I can't wait to see what potential it has once we can tune it.
Preaching to the choir. We'll likely never get a 4 cyl like those ever again 😔
Ahh I get that. I wish Honda would bring back a high revving N/A. I ordered a 23 brz but I wish it could be an s2000 instead lol
Buy a blown first gen k24 swap it ;)
@@FATmenDRIVEtrucks Can you kswap a 1st gen BRZ? I know that is popular with MR2s nowadays.
SAME
Nicely done vid. I love my 22' BRZ so far.
What a lovely honest video. Moreeeee 👍🏼👏🏼
Great video as always man!!!!!!
That 2019 is pretty much the perfect build in my eyes - OEM+ exterior mods, handling components, grippy tires with a mild turbo. Nice work!
I believe his tat reads "DRIVE" in katakana! Great vid!
Another great video and good comparison. I think you should supercharge your BRZ Zygrene then redo this canyon touge battle Initial D style 😉😎👍
I drove the first gen BRZ, FRS, and 86 and the chassis is fantastic. However the power and the fit n finish of the interior left a lot to be desired.
This 2nd gen BRZ/GR86 also has a great chassis but now with decent power and interior. Plus the Neptune Blue GR86 is calling my name.
What? The interior honestly looks more futuristic than the new one, the 1st gen looks organic on the inside, the only thing the new one does on the inside better is the Speedo
interior doesn't matter, too many $70k+ sports cars that are missing the point. M2s, Caymans, TT RS, all completely irrelevant because of their pointlessly nice interiors for golfers and house flippers
Second gen interior looks like it belongs in a Jeep or Tacoma or something. First gen interior looks and feels more like a sports car should in my opinion. That’s one of the things I dislike the most about the second gen
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Great video 👍🏼
Great comparison! 👍
I love the looks of Gen1 over Gen 2 but all the updates are more than enough to make me buy one.
that first gen sounds very clean..in and out. I've always been curious how these feel driving around. I've owned a lot of different cars, but my most recent besides my 91 turbo miata thats just for fun, is my 2016 Focus ST thats FBO with E30. It tears up cars on the track and back roads quite well compared to well modded cars far more expensive...as long as you're not trying to do high speed races in a straight line... but I have been really wanting to experience a more modern RWD thats able to be built on a budget like a BRZ.
That color of the 2nd gen here is great.. i love the sound and simplicity of the 1st.. both cars seem to be a good fit for the right buyer so theres no clear winner depending on your goals!
I’d be very curious about the Cosworth supercharger kit on these cars. That is, how does it compare to, say a turbo or other supercharger systems. Excellent review as always! 👌🏽
Only unfortunate issue is afaik that SC has been discontinued, but Sprintex and Edelbrock SCs are still available
Love this video, really answered a couple of questions I have. Bought my 2014 frs used, knowing I can FI and have a good time. If anyone wants to chime in I’m here to learn. My FRS was bought with 20k miles at 18k. As much as I would like the second gen I think I would get more bang for my buck if I mod my current car, either spend 30k-35k on 2nd gen or spend 10k to get mine past the stock 2nd gen. I’ll take any tips
Mod it with the Eldelbrock supercharger on 91 octane. 50 state legal. If you want, put on a header and tune. Gets you almost 300rwhp. Don’t forget an oil cooler. It’s a great setup. Highly recommend it.
Bought my 2014 brz with 1,500 miles and have had a blast with it all this time. Ive beat on it boosted for years now and always told myself when the motor pops I’ll move to a cayman or an M2. But I’m thinking I’ll jump over to a second gen if/when that comes.
Cayman, M2, and gen 2 BRZ are all excellent. Good taste!
Every single FI gen 1 I've known in my 3 years of ownership, street or track, has blown up. FA20 cannot reliably take it long term. Going FI just becomes a money sinkhole, for that reason, gen 2 is no question.
This.
I have 142k miles and boosted for 42k miles. Zero issues. It's tracked. Driven frequently. I haven't even had to do the timing cover seal. If you just treat and maintain your cars properly, it'll run strong. Common denominator with alot of the boosted cars are owners - poor maintainence, complete lack of supporting mods, and constantly driving like they're on a race track daily. All the people I know that are FI and do the necessary items, including the Jackson's have strong longevity. Albeit, there are some manufacturing issues that can warrant complaints but the percentage isn't significant enough. Most issues with all blown motors has been owner care error.
Tell us more how many of these have you "known" and what went wrong? If you keep the power well below 350whp and tune it so that torque stays below 300ftlbs I've found dozens that have been running fine for a long time. Those that have also been tracked and driven hard.
@@pinkwonderpants this makes me feel good about my future - i just hit 100k in mine and i'm strongly considering the JRSC carb kit. i don't want to go crazy, but 50% more power/tq would be amazing, and a better use of my money than selling and trying to get a new one
Great video! What is the brand of 2019 brz’s rear diffuser?
Excellent, thoughtful comparison. Whoever modified that '19 BRZ really knew what they were doing with your effusive praise of the driveability which can be a downfall of a turbo versus NA car. Apparently you liked the power delivery of that turbo which can be a handful is improperly tuned in the twisties.
Sounds liike you still have the fake sound module on your '22 which I would have ditched a long time ago...a pretty awful adjunct to analog intake and exhaust. I vastly prefer the '22 car with module pulled or disabled.
Again, I am really impressed with the '19 car but I learned a long time ago, as well done as those modifications are which is unquestionable, its always better to take that money and just upgrade to a higher performance car like a lower end Porsche. The owner of that '19 has a boatload of money and sweat equity in it with a pretty high cost. I am sure he is proud of his work however as he should be. Don't think I have seen a finer modded example and a lot of hack jobs out there.
Love the '22 car and again, IMO, best to leave it close to stock and enjoy it and if you want a faster car buy a Supra or a Porsche and not the new Z because its a Nissan. ;-)
Great video but present day used prices aside, there's an easy jump in horsepower by just changing the header and an oft tune. Not really difficult on first gen and gets good budget gains.
But I do love mine on 11psi boost with 245s
Same with this gen, headers and tune make it gain about 10-15whp. So 220-235whp give or take. Pretty similar to a conservative Supercharged gen 1 build.
Excellent!
Really impressive GT86 build
I noticed the steering on the second gen BRZ didn’t feel quite as good as the first gen (not a huge difference but there).
How much regular maintenance does this require? Will it work as a daily driver?
I have on order both a 2022 GR86 & 2023 BRZ. Ordered GR86 back in February & Toyota would not give me an estimated delivery time...guessing now it'll probably be a '23MY.
Ordered the Subaru in June and they told me September. Who knows. Both at MSRP tho!
Did you feel the PP Brembos underwhelming for the boosted BRZ?
Is that engine sound from the speakers or from the engine itself?
Is there any issues with the Greddy Evolution GT Exhaust scraping on a lowered setup like this?
One thing forsure is that us older gen FRS sound so much better than that fake induction noise.
the real answer to this question is to buy a 1st gen with a blown motor and put a k24 in it :)
K24 is the real answer to every question tbh
I'd put my money on the 2nd Gen because its a solid design for the new chassis
It's the same, few tweaks here and there. Same with the "new" Z, basically a 370z
That's what I did - I've debated a first gen for several years now, but I like to enjoy a car in its stock form for a little bit before I dip into mods and I got to drive a buddy's first gen before... I'd want to mod it immediately. The second gen is just a better experience in stock trim and once the mod scene catches up for it, it should be able to be even better than the first gen.
@@Dreznin same thinking here. For Japanese automotive designs, I usually find the 2nd or 3rd gens have better engineering
Just out of curiosity, why are you going with the Annex vs Race Comp? I thought I had remembered you saying you picked up some RCE coils.
I've decided to partner with Annex. They gave me a tour of their local facility and I was impressed with how much R&D and attention to detail goes into their products. And was equally impressed when I experienced their FastRoad Pro first hand in the BRZ and AE86. My RCE T2 will be for sale soon.
@@Zygrene Cool, thanks! Looking forward to hearing more about ‘em in a video soon.
just wait until our 22 turbos release, 300+whp all day. honestly 370whp-400whp in one of these would be perfect.
What is the 0-60 time for the turbo brz?
Even if Gen 1 came with 300 hp from the factory...people would then complain about the 45k price tag.
Yep. Then they'd say, "wow. For 45k, this interior sucks and the car is so loud on the highway. I wont be buying this, i'd rather have the supra, BRZ sucks"
This new generation of car guys are not even car guys anymore. They're just spec sheet warriors and competitive validation seekers. Cant just enjoy cars anymore, it has to have the loudest exhaust no one likes, be the lowest till its uncomfortable, and make more than 400whp or your a "pleb" to their small minds. 😂
Maybe compare a gen 1 full bolt on e85 vs stock gen 2?
Turbo build is cool, but damn these things are slow stock. Tuning these are a must both old and new gen.
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Is that a wing extension on the ZN6? It looks higher than OEM. Do you know the company that makes those?
its a wing extension
So its the OEM spoiler with the Brambeenie Spoiler Risers for 2017+ BRZ / 86
Patiently waiting for gr86 supercharger kits. Still think they should have made a 3.0 flat 6 300hp as evolution of the 2.0
Subaru did make a brz sti but its only available in Japan but its not turbocharged its still naturally aspirated
Another thing with the first gen is that everybody and their mom’s has one, it’s lost that cool factor that once had in early years of production because now you see them literally everywhere !
Was your drive with the AWE exhaust? Or did you remove it for this review?
AWE Touring was on for this review
On that note so you still have asc turned on?
@@ramanapixelxl7572 Yup, I left the fake engine sound plugged in. It honestly doesn't bother me.
@@Zygrene Does the AWE give any hp boost or headers needed as well? My first brz so don’t know what to consider.
Brz is a fantastic platform. Wish I went with this instead of my current car. Front wheel drive ain’t fun lol….. rear wheel drive is the fun one
I prefer the looks of the 1st gen. Perhaps that's why I'll keep mine. I've modded mine nearly as much as a sane person could. I haven't met one that sounds better than mine. See my videos if you'd like. Enjoy your 2022 as they are pretty sweet.
Also the first gen looks way more aggressive
ULH?
@@myjizzureye yes
@@StockySnail Good good, just checking.
@@myjizzureye if you watch one of my videos on my channel you'll definitely hear the rumble.
The 2022 brz has 228 hp. The earlier brz had 205hp. How does that translate to 40 to 50 whp increase?
From all accounts they underreported the power in the new engine. Ignoring the power curve as well because it doesn't really make a difference to the peak figure, but that's a big difference too.
My automatic 86 hits 322 @thewheel running on pump gas 93 octane. I wonder how much did all the mods on that 19' 🤔 cost, mine costs abt 10 grand w/ tune via Ecutek. The rims and tire setup is what I'm planning to do, so far my exterior is ALL STOCK HAHAHA 😅😅😅
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Ok chief...
Do you plan on ever going forced induction?
Could anyone tell me what the first gen brz has to make the oem wing look like that? I have one but my wing sits lower? Maybe its a different spec but it doesn’t look like he used the perrin wing risers I always see
its the OEM spoiler with the Brambeenie Spoiler Risers for 2017+ BRZ / 86. They don't make them anymore but you might be able to find some floating around
did he rebuild the engine to install the turbo? or did he just slap one on?
I didn't rebuild the engine, I had the turbo installed by a specialist and supporting mods done. Car was dyno tuned by CSG
Proper mountain uphills is where gen1 honestly chokes without proper power.
Yes but the 1st gen brz looks better in the front end area. The 2nd has a wider rear and which looks great but ya lose me at the tail lights
If anyone knows what wing risers are on the 2019 please let me know!
This looks like Fremont area or Mt Diablo area
300HP on a first gen 86/Brz is going to be fun. 300Hp = 225kw . The first gen needed 50HP more in my books.
The most affordable way to do so is, HKS supercharger. Could add 80hp more at the wheels
@@Carlos.Rivera I went with 210 sprintex kit fourm member gave me a deal i couldnt say no to. 170kw at the wheels i am making just 30 shy of 300nm of torque. It goes pretty good would like another 2psi
@@esko23q hope I can grab a smoke deal on hks or jackson supercharger
@@Carlos.Rivera 6.8k I got the kit for 2.5k aud lol in my books that's a win
@@esko23q bargain in mine. Enjoy it mf, hope this year i can be boosted
Very cheap and easy to add 35 whp for $400 to a gen 1. 250 for uel headers and 150 for a e85flash tune. I raced a gr86 and was dead even with him
Excellent, But it's The Tirque that makes Fun, which you can Feel not so much the Power !!! :-) I still think, thst the best it would be Twin Turbo, but Any Turbo is bette than no Turbo !!! ! !!! :-) Thanks for the video :-) Pwy. :-)
I don't think that the 2022 BRZ lacks power, but I feel like they didn't maximize the engine capability. I want to modify the air intake and the exhaust system on my BRZ just to get closer to want the engine is capable of
I think with that lawsuit over their older engines has really made Subaru pull back on capabilities. They'd rather you tinker with it and it then not their problem when it breaks
we just have to wait for the headers and tune. I think we'll get 240whp easily.
They need a BRZ STi and GR86 MN and make it 300whp
Somehow your BRZ looks lower to me than others that also have stock suspension
I wish somebody would tell us who makes the wing mount!
So its the OEM spoiler with the Brambeenie Spoiler Risers for 2017+ BRZ / 86
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Anybody know what wing that is on the 1st gen BRZ?
OEM spoiler with the Brambeenie Spoiler Risers for 2017+ BRZ / 86
What is the mpg, 0-60 time and top speed after turbo?
don't have a 0 -60 time or top speed because for daily driving and canyon cruises you'd never push it there and launching your car is honestly terrible for your clutch but for MPG at least, its been pretty similar to stock unless you're constantly flooring it
10, 8.2, 145 mph
@@DoubleACash Somebody cant drive stick lmaoo. WDYM you're not pushing your car??? its a fucking 150 wheel hp car. What else are you gonna do driving thru the canyon? Feather the gas on an frs?
What is the boost gauge?
GeraldJustProjects IPS Gauge ;)
With a turbo kit the BRZ becomes WRX power but far better weight distribution and handling. Adding a turbo to any new/old BRZ is a must and common sense.
Tell that to subaru and they will say turbo destroys the motor and the car in general
@@ACommenterOnTH-cam that's why they put it in WRX and STIs? No, the truth is, they don't want to ruin sales in their WRX line up. Many WRX, STI owners would have gladly bought a turbo BRZ, myself including if it were offered.
@@painkilerr Repeating what "they" said when asked why was it not turbo charged ...
@@ACommenterOnTH-cam of course they will say that. What do u expect? Them to admit that it will ruin their other sales?!
@@painkilerr Not only them saying that but MANY others actually agree with them and will argue with you about why and not to turbo this car ...
I will race you in my MK6 GTD. It has Ohlins RT coilovers. Not very high revving but still fun.
What spoiler is that??
OEM spoiler with the Brambeenie Spoiler Risers for 2017+ BRZ / 86
I'm gonna want one because of the gas milage it gets.
I dunno, I still kind of like the looks of the first gen. The windows are very Toyota 2000GT
I feel the same way. Second gen does look good but I prefer the first gen.
@@gbarton800 I like the front end of the GR86 but that’s about it.
Are you on mines road in Livermore?
Yup you are lmao. My sister lives around the 25 mile marker.
prefer the look of 1st gen
Anyone making a rotrex setup for the 2nd gen yet?
Hopefully soon. Gen 2 with FI might be a Supra killer
I hate that the better power having car deost have the nice old headlights... Stock headlights are so good loking compared to the new one
I still have the first gen 2013 since 2013. I'll buy the new gen in 2 years. Never buy a new car again.
You gonna buy it at near cost price after 2 years
Mines!
What about gen 2 with turbo?
This is what I want to know. Can't wait for kits to be developed.
I think gen2 should go na route instead of the blown route the old gen 1 you needed that power to feel fast cuz a fully na built gen 1 make a little less power then a stock gen 2 car but I believe a full bolt on e85 gen 2 car would make similar power to that of blown entry level gen1 cars and you still retain that naturally aspirated character plus you avoid the force induction complexity and extra nose weight of a turbo kit.
I have a 2022 BRZ and 2020 STI . I love them both equally. Subaru is makes the best sub $40,000 cars . I have yet to see another 2022 BRZ in my area in two months of owning mine .
Chevy Camaro 1SS - hands down best sub $40K driver's car. Period.
@@djscott9207 love the SS 1LE but it's very different to the BRZ. Both are great in different ways.
I’d even submit a properly tuned BRZ would make a laugh out of the SS.
@@mresab1997 Take the same money and put it into the SS and....no laughing.
@@Zygrene Yes, I agree. I respect both cars for their different approach to performance. But if I had to pick one for under $40k and not spend any more than that (i.e. no mods)...well, I"d take the SS. And for $45k, I'd take the 1LE.
We In Europe just keep buying bmw e36, 1300kg, 200 hp, more torque then any gt/gr because of l6 and Diff with a manual
Its not the power. Low torque is the issue with first gen.
My poor ND is super jealy of that turbo power 😒
Muh turbo muh hurr durr.
Naturally aspirated is always better and the way to go.
But why such a week turbo setup on the 1st gen?? This is the smallest and fewest horsepower turbo setup I have ever even heard of only 270 whp?? The damn bolt on Supercharger kits make more power than this. In my opinion this is a poor representation of a 1st gen with a single Turbo.
Because this turbo was tuned for response. More power isn't always the answer. Personally I'd rather have a car with moderate hp gains that retains 80-90% of the stock throttle response and linearity.
@@Zygrene Well that's an interesting way to want it, a more purist approach you could say. Hey at least you have some reasoning for wanting it that way. I prefer a much bigger turbo and adjustable boost.
More modest boost will probably last longer too. Sure, they can go much higher, but also *pop*. :p
@@erwark Mine has never popped with stock bottom end on 15psi making 430whp and I hammer on it all the time.
The GTX2867R Gen2 is a smaller turbo yes but has headroom for more boost and power with supporting mods. However, its got better response and for daily driving I wouldn't push this past 300 whp especially on stock internals. Also the 270 - 300 ish whp is a great sweet spot for the car. If I had gone with an E85 kit, it would be around 350 whp but the availability of E85 is what is difficult about that setup along with other issues with E85 and daily driving
Thankgod they didnt turbo it. Turbos are boring supercharging increases the fun factor
first gen looks better to me
Looks like California touge
That turbo brz IS SEXY!
When reviewers drive a Subaru with an FA engine, and comment on the sound of the 'Subaru Rumble", when there is none. Yep, gotta love that generic subaru comment...
Yelp. There's nothing like buying an insufficiently powered car and then spend 10k fixing. Great job!
Lol…
People modify regardless dummy.
Illegal parts on YOUR car 😬 God I love freedom.
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Love this build, can I have the owner's YT or Instagram? please and thank you :)