Would have been better for Vinick to have said "your people are going to stay home if I don't let you strong arm me? Then you get Matt Santos as president and you won't get any judges for eight years."
If one watches the credits carefully, they'll see that the pizza came from Bruno's Pie Shop, Weehawken, Newest Jersey. Bruno's has also pizza'ed the shows Fungo To Left and Is that REALLY Your Thing? You're welcome. 😮😅😅😅😅😅
"You think I want to kill babies?" Is such a good line. They repeat that talking point so often and it's just, like, think about what you're saying. You come to me, call me a baby killer, then ask me to be cordial to you.
@@worldofcardboard3203 At what point are human infants entitled to their own bodily autonomy"? When they vote the way you want them to? Pointing out your narrow focus on a particular aspect of "morality" is only uncomfortable if you arent as sure of it as you claim.
@ He’s not making eye-contact, is busy shuffling around different pizza boxes, and doesn’t bother dampening the sound of the lid when opening it, all while the other guy is talking. Everything screams ‘I don’t want to listen to you.’ That’s how the other guy clearly took it, for he stops talking.
The original story arc for the final season for TWW had the presidency going to Vinick. While that's the more realistic outcome in the actual world, I'm glad they decided to go the other way.
I think the original plan was that it was always going to be a close race between Vinick and Santos and give both of them a fair chance to win and not just make it clear from the beginning which one the show had picked to be the winner.However i liked that Santos after he won picked Vinick to be his Secretary of State because in a way they both won then that way,
I've read they changed it after John Spencer died, because it would have been too much for Santos to lose the election and his running mate. But while I probably wouldn't have voted Republican anyway, I would be ok living under a Vinnick administration. Better than the oncoming shitshow. Fortunately, being Canadian, I dont have to deal with it just yet.
@@jeremypinchuk7998 The only real-world Republican POTUS since WWII that comes close to being as likable as Vinick is Eisenhower. The path the GOP took (and accelerated on) since Goldwater came into the picture makes the idea of a Republican presidential candidate like Vinick both desirable and impossible.
This is how a moderate Republican, or even trump, gets pulled to the far right because he made a promise to certain extremist side in hopes of winning their vote. The difference here is that Vinik is smart and knows what this means whereas trump really doesn't care unless it affects him personally. trump cares about 2 things: praise and adulation to stroke his ego, and if he can make money off it. He's willing to give his followers the first just so he can get their praise.
@@shalashaska9946 He lost money in lawsuits which now he's president he won't have to pay. In his DC hotel he had countries renting rooms that they never occupied. Saudi Arabia rented a whole floor and never occupied it. Also the use of golf courses went up and again, Saudi Arabia hosted one of the newly formed golf association at one of his golf courses. In the interim he's been selling internet cards of himself, coins, watches, bibles and other products. Since being elected his value in Truth Social has risen by billions and again, other countries are using fake companies to buy the stock and raise the value. Every president in recent history has put their assets into a blind trust so that they could avoid the emoluments clause in the Constitution. Not trump. If that isn't profiting off the office, then what is. He didn't do as well the first term, but in his 2nd term he will know how to correct those mistakes. I guarantee trump will make billions in the next 4 years and much of it will come from foreign governments or corporations seeking favors.
Imagine living in an Earl Warren presidency. One doesn't need to resort to fictional characters to see what a Republican president could have been. But the reality is, those Republicans have disappeared (but the bigger question is, where are those voters? ) Look to California for the answer?
@ let’s see stock market has bees soaring,no Covid, the two wars are by some other countries not the us. He also made better working standards for the blue collar workers and has been working to get them better pay. Trump will only help the super rich . The inflation problem was a global crisis and the United States did the job of any developed nation. Could he have done more yes but Trump out this country in a crap hole
Was his staff concerned that Vinnick had just lost undecided voters, or were they so disgusted with the position that they couldn't imagine remaining on his campaign?
Caving into religious extremists was going to alienate moderate voters. Yes, the right flank would be shored up, but the center would collapse. It was the 1990s, not today.
@@chrisrautmann8936 But I'm asking about this scene in this episode. Are you saying that the staff was worried about the position because it would hurt them undecided voters or were they simply disgusted that their candidate took this position? Did it change how they felt about working for him?
@@seanwebb605 Conventional wisdom was that you did noting controversial, especially when you were ahead. You avoided the live wires- Social Security and Abortion.
These "Christians" couldn't care less about those "babies" and they certainly aren't "pro life" when they tell women, "Your bleeding to death from a miscarriage is no biggie in the big picture."
Is it the case in any state in the US that the law doesn't allow a woman to get an abortion if her life is in danger? I hear this claim alot but last time I looked it's not the law in Texas or Florida which I thought were very pro-life states. Which state has the law that says "You can have no abortion even if the mother is likely to die or is currently dying as a result of the pregnancy" ?
@@josephkerrigan733 I don't know law, but I believe the issue is that it's been made so difficult to have an abortion, that even cases where the doctor Knows the woman's going to die, but not just yet so they can't perform the operation yet for fear of getting sued.
This reflected the position of many national Republicans at the time, including george bush senior. It's only been since geirge bush junior that the gop has rejected their moderate voices on this. Though susan collins and Lisa murkowski are still prochoice and in this race a bunch if gop house candidates tried to pretend to be.
The USA is a neo-liberal country. conservatism wants to conserve the current system. Of course conservatives in the USA are liberal. Just as a conservative in the USSR was a communist.
As someone who's pro-life, Vinnick would only have my vote if I could trust he'd actually stick to his word. But because we learn later in the series that he's not actually pro-life (he just votes that way in the leadup to the election), I can't trust he'd actually go through with it. And so, he'd lose my vote.
Gee, could it be fiction imitating reality by coincidence? Vinnick sounds like a real life politician we all know who recently won an election, and holds the same position on “pro-life.” Only when it’s convenient for him!
You would vote for him and then claim he lost your trust after. That's what you would do, since he's the only candidate who even has a chance to be 'pro-life'.
@@sgtalstrafficticketblog2452 Indeed, and it's a good thing I didn't vote for the guy you're alluding to. Even though I'm pro-life, I would never in a million years believe that he (the man you're referring to) is because of what I know about the rape allegations against him and his attitudes about women in general. I don't believe he's a Christian, or pro-life, or pro-union, or any of the aspects I look for in a quality leader.
@@TimoRutanen Incorrect. I appreciate your assumption about me, even though it's wrong, because it colors the view by which I see how others see me. You think that because I'm pro-life, I'll automatically commit my vote to someone claiming to be pro-life, without doing a shred of integral research or follow-up to see if the candidate means what they said. Well sir, I'll respectfully inform you that being pro-life isn't just about abortion for me. Being pro-life means: • Being anti-abortion (while promoting sensible and affordable alternatives, such as increasing funding to group homes and adoption centers; making consent a mandatory aspect of sex education; more harshly punishing sex-based crimes and giving extra funding to police departments that clear their rape kit backlog with convictions/acquittals based on hard evidence and thorough investigation; giving better tax credits to parents of multiple children, etc). • Raising the minimum wage to a pay rate equivalent to a by-state living wage, rather than a federal nationwide minimum (ex: $20.23/hr in PA, $14.94/hr in MT, and $35.50/hr in HI). • Ending the Death Penalty in all 50 States because it's been statistically shown to cost more than life imprisonment, it's inhumane, and doesn't serve as a deterent of future crime. • Acknowledging that climate change is a threat to humanity and taking steps to curb the most destructive aspects of it, like funding renewable energy initiatives and encouraging states to fund more community gardens. • Ending all forms of advertising pharmaceuticals in the US on tv, radio, online, and in print media, because the only time a patient should be hearing about a new drug is directly from their doctor's mouth. • Reducing the military spending budget by 8% over the course of 3 years, prioritizing cuts to the R&D of new weapons given that we already have the most proficient means of killing each other as well as the Big Red Button. • And many, many more initiatives I have in mind were I blessed with the opportunities to get involved as a pro-life political Independent. So again, respectfully - the next time you want to assume that someone is "pro-life" based on one aspect of the issue, and assume that everyone who's pro-life is either uninformed, or a misogynist, or ignorant to the causes of why people seek abortions - take a tactical pause and ask yourself whether or not you're prejudiced against this person because they actually disagree with you, or because someone/something told you that "pro-life" automatically (and often wrongly) means "anti-woman" and "anti-common sense."
@@The1WithoutFear You know that you created the issue of people misunderstanding you yourself right? Nothing other than your anti-abortion standpoint has anything to do what most people associate with the term "pro-life".
Would have been better for Vinick to have said "your people are going to stay home if I don't let you strong arm me? Then you get Matt Santos as president and you won't get any judges for eight years."
people have been saying "imagine liviing in a bartlet presidency." living with a vinick presidency would also be very acceptable.
Not sure I'd go with acceptable, but most definitely preferable to a 2nd Trump presidency.
@@HAL_NINER_TRIPLE_ZERO I've got bad news for you... 🤣
@@beefyoso true - i've got bad news for most of us...
@@beefyosowhen ICE agents start showing up in restaurants saying, “Show me your papers.” It will be bad news for all of us.
He was a good person, but his politics were all tax cuts (disastrous in a vacuum), or climate denial (disastrous all around).
Great writing, great acting. Great story telling.
Oh those crazy internet things.
If one watches the credits carefully, they'll see that the pizza came from Bruno's Pie Shop, Weehawken, Newest Jersey. Bruno's has also pizza'ed the shows Fungo To Left and Is that REALLY Your Thing? You're welcome. 😮😅😅😅😅😅
"You think I want to kill babies?" Is such a good line. They repeat that talking point so often and it's just, like, think about what you're saying. You come to me, call me a baby killer, then ask me to be cordial to you.
No.
I think you prefer not to really think about it. Because then you'd have to make a moral decision instead of a political one.
@@kennethdawson7774 Political decisions are moral decisions. Bodily autonomy is a moral stance.
@@worldofcardboard3203
At what point are human infants entitled to their own bodily autonomy"?
When they vote the way you want them to?
Pointing out your narrow focus on a particular aspect of "morality" is only uncomfortable if you arent as sure of it as you claim.
We need a Vinick compilation titled:
VOTE VINICK. 🗳
The pizza is a nice touch. Vinick can barely even feign respect.
It's just picking up pizza... how does that relate to respect?
Eating in front of other people is not considered rude in the USA, is it?
@ He’s not making eye-contact, is busy shuffling around different pizza boxes, and doesn’t bother dampening the sound of the lid when opening it, all while the other guy is talking. Everything screams ‘I don’t want to listen to you.’ That’s how the other guy clearly took it, for he stops talking.
The original story arc for the final season for TWW had the presidency going to Vinick.
While that's the more realistic outcome in the actual world, I'm glad they decided to go the other way.
I think the original plan was that it was always going to be a close race between Vinick and Santos and give both of them a fair chance to win and not just make it clear from the beginning which one the show had picked to be the winner.However i liked that Santos after he won picked Vinick to be his Secretary of State because in a way they both won then that way,
I've read they changed it after John Spencer died, because it would have been too much for Santos to lose the election and his running mate.
But while I probably wouldn't have voted Republican anyway, I would be ok living under a Vinnick administration. Better than the oncoming shitshow. Fortunately, being Canadian, I dont have to deal with it just yet.
@@jeremypinchuk7998 The only real-world Republican POTUS since WWII that comes close to being as likable as Vinick is Eisenhower. The path the GOP took (and accelerated on) since Goldwater came into the picture makes the idea of a Republican presidential candidate like Vinick both desirable and impossible.
@@jeremypinchuk7998 pray for the ones that do because hell is about to come down on us,
@@Dan210871Yeah cuz LBJ was a real peach.
This is how a moderate Republican, or even trump, gets pulled to the far right because he made a promise to certain extremist side in hopes of winning their vote. The difference here is that Vinik is smart and knows what this means whereas trump really doesn't care unless it affects him personally. trump cares about 2 things: praise and adulation to stroke his ego, and if he can make money off it. He's willing to give his followers the first just so he can get their praise.
You forgot the 3rd reason money and how much he can pocket
The money part really doesn't add up. He lost a ton of money since getting into politics.
You have TDS...get some help
@@shalashaska9946and he’s not far right
@@shalashaska9946 He lost money in lawsuits which now he's president he won't have to pay. In his DC hotel he had countries renting rooms that they never occupied. Saudi Arabia rented a whole floor and never occupied it. Also the use of golf courses went up and again, Saudi Arabia hosted one of the newly formed golf association at one of his golf courses.
In the interim he's been selling internet cards of himself, coins, watches, bibles and other products.
Since being elected his value in Truth Social has risen by billions and again, other countries are using fake companies to buy the stock and raise the value.
Every president in recent history has put their assets into a blind trust so that they could avoid the emoluments clause in the Constitution. Not trump. If that isn't profiting off the office, then what is. He didn't do as well the first term, but in his 2nd term he will know how to correct those mistakes. I guarantee trump will make billions in the next 4 years and much of it will come from foreign governments or corporations seeking favors.
We need The West Wing in Italian streaming services, or at least in new DVD edition. Like if you want this!
Can't I just enjoy these clips without everyone reminding me about modern politics in the comments section?
Imagine living in an Earl Warren presidency.
One doesn't need to resort to fictional characters to see what a Republican president could have been. But the reality is, those Republicans have disappeared (but the bigger question is, where are those voters? )
Look to California for the answer?
Now The Heeritage Foundaiton just buys judges
Now we are going to have to live in a Donald trump administration oh lord where has this country gone
@nicholaspowell7931 compared to the absolute disaster from Brandon and could you imagine what Kamel toe and tampon tim would have destroyed.?
@ let’s see stock market has bees soaring,no Covid, the two wars are by some other countries not the us. He also made better working standards for the blue collar workers and has been working to get them better pay. Trump will only help the super rich . The inflation problem was a global crisis and the United States did the job of any developed nation. Could he have done more yes but Trump out this country in a crap hole
@@davidbryant3532take that shit to X you troll
Was his staff concerned that Vinnick had just lost undecided voters, or were they so disgusted with the position that they couldn't imagine remaining on his campaign?
Caving into religious extremists was going to alienate moderate voters. Yes, the right flank would be shored up, but the center would collapse.
It was the 1990s, not today.
@@chrisrautmann8936 But I'm asking about this scene in this episode. Are you saying that the staff was worried about the position because it would hurt them undecided voters or were they simply disgusted that their candidate took this position? Did it change how they felt about working for him?
@@seanwebb605 Conventional wisdom was that you did noting controversial, especially when you were ahead. You avoided the live wires- Social Security and Abortion.
@@chrisrautmann8936 So you don't understand the question.
LOL at Republicans being disgusted with pro-life judges
These "Christians" couldn't care less about those "babies" and they certainly aren't "pro life" when they tell women, "Your bleeding to death from a miscarriage is no biggie in the big picture."
In fact it's often 'god's will' if it happens. A very unfortunate incident they can all get together to pray about.
Is it the case in any state in the US that the law doesn't allow a woman to get an abortion if her life is in danger?
I hear this claim alot but last time I looked it's not the law in Texas or Florida which I thought were very pro-life states.
Which state has the law that says "You can have no abortion even if the mother is likely to die or is currently dying as a result of the pregnancy" ?
@@josephkerrigan733 I don't know law, but I believe the issue is that it's been made so difficult to have an abortion, that even cases where the doctor Knows the woman's going to die, but not just yet so they can't perform the operation yet for fear of getting sued.
The hilarity of this is who else are the conservative Christians going to vote for? Democrats?
They threatened to stay home, like apparently around ten million Biden voters did rather than go to the trouble of voting for Kamala Harris.
They will simply not vote
But they would just stay home and not vote.
Even conservatives are liberal in Hollywood. Give me a break.
OR some people are so extremely "conservative" that they label moderates as liberals.
This reflected the position of many national Republicans at the time, including george bush senior. It's only been since geirge bush junior that the gop has rejected their moderate voices on this. Though susan collins and Lisa murkowski are still prochoice and in this race a bunch if gop house candidates tried to pretend to be.
@@jlmwwRight 🤡
Most people who identify as Conservatives cannot honestly name a single thing they actually CONSERVE.
The USA is a neo-liberal country.
conservatism wants to conserve the current system.
Of course conservatives in the USA are liberal. Just as a conservative in the USSR was a communist.
As someone who's pro-life, Vinnick would only have my vote if I could trust he'd actually stick to his word. But because we learn later in the series that he's not actually pro-life (he just votes that way in the leadup to the election), I can't trust he'd actually go through with it. And so, he'd lose my vote.
Gee, could it be fiction imitating reality by coincidence? Vinnick sounds like a real life politician we all know who recently won an election, and holds the same position on “pro-life.” Only when it’s convenient for him!
You would vote for him and then claim he lost your trust after. That's what you would do, since he's the only candidate who even has a chance to be 'pro-life'.
@@sgtalstrafficticketblog2452 Indeed, and it's a good thing I didn't vote for the guy you're alluding to. Even though I'm pro-life, I would never in a million years believe that he (the man you're referring to) is because of what I know about the rape allegations against him and his attitudes about women in general. I don't believe he's a Christian, or pro-life, or pro-union, or any of the aspects I look for in a quality leader.
@@TimoRutanen Incorrect. I appreciate your assumption about me, even though it's wrong, because it colors the view by which I see how others see me.
You think that because I'm pro-life, I'll automatically commit my vote to someone claiming to be pro-life, without doing a shred of integral research or follow-up to see if the candidate means what they said. Well sir, I'll respectfully inform you that being pro-life isn't just about abortion for me. Being pro-life means:
• Being anti-abortion (while promoting sensible and affordable alternatives, such as increasing funding to group homes and adoption centers; making consent a mandatory aspect of sex education; more harshly punishing sex-based crimes and giving extra funding to police departments that clear their rape kit backlog with convictions/acquittals based on hard evidence and thorough investigation; giving better tax credits to parents of multiple children, etc).
• Raising the minimum wage to a pay rate equivalent to a by-state living wage, rather than a federal nationwide minimum (ex: $20.23/hr in PA, $14.94/hr in MT, and $35.50/hr in HI).
• Ending the Death Penalty in all 50 States because it's been statistically shown to cost more than life imprisonment, it's inhumane, and doesn't serve as a deterent of future crime.
• Acknowledging that climate change is a threat to humanity and taking steps to curb the most destructive aspects of it, like funding renewable energy initiatives and encouraging states to fund more community gardens.
• Ending all forms of advertising pharmaceuticals in the US on tv, radio, online, and in print media, because the only time a patient should be hearing about a new drug is directly from their doctor's mouth.
• Reducing the military spending budget by 8% over the course of 3 years, prioritizing cuts to the R&D of new weapons given that we already have the most proficient means of killing each other as well as the Big Red Button.
• And many, many more initiatives I have in mind were I blessed with the opportunities to get involved as a pro-life political Independent.
So again, respectfully - the next time you want to assume that someone is "pro-life" based on one aspect of the issue, and assume that everyone who's pro-life is either uninformed, or a misogynist, or ignorant to the causes of why people seek abortions - take a tactical pause and ask yourself whether or not you're prejudiced against this person because they actually disagree with you, or because someone/something told you that "pro-life" automatically (and often wrongly) means "anti-woman" and "anti-common sense."
@@The1WithoutFear You know that you created the issue of people misunderstanding you yourself right? Nothing other than your anti-abortion standpoint has anything to do what most people associate with the term "pro-life".
Abortion: safe and legal forever. NOTHING will ever change that.
Except it’s not