Was this the episode where Bartlett's priest comes and tells the story of the guy that gets three warnings to leave his house in a storm? Also, what was the guy they are talking about convicted for?
@@blackcat4859 no that’s was the one where various people were trying to have the president commute the death penalty. Unfortunately he did not and the show finished with the priest hearing Jed’s confession! (A first for the Oval Office?).
I loved this show then and now. It's incredible what we ask of our president. Gut wrenching decisions and the toll is obvious on our presidents. Thank you
An American President- That is the most compelling illusion created by the master Sorkin. Whether portrayed by Douglas or Sheen (supported by countless other icons of the art) these wonderfully weaved snippets of politics and power and passion and pressure provide voters a peek into the gut wrenching realities confronted daily by those servants of our democracy. Skewed, perhaps, but impartial, these are heroes all- flawed to human perfection but in moments Sorkin so often creates, His Presidents shine. They inspire, the content of their character, their courage and commitment- idealistic Fantasy, I sadly admit, but i thank them for providing an escape from the way things are and a hopeful vision into what they could be. Somebody should raise the fkng bar!!
Very well presented. Thank you for your elegant observation. And, regarding raising of the bar: heck, we gotta find it in the mud before we can raise it. 😮. Heck #2: I’d even welcome Vinick over the contemptible miscreant about to once again disgrace the Office of the President.
Completely agree! I think soon after she wanted to have a chat with josh about her career and for some 3 seasons josh postponed it / sent her to gaza and one fine day , she got up and left!
@@rdhec9349 it was his stepfather who was the contributor, but Leo and Jed assumed that someone would “join the dots”. Hence the decision to postpone the pardon.
The president doesn’t have that power it’s a power reserved to the legislature. He can advocate, he can recommend, he can make speeches but he can’t change the law
@@megc1981 He could have been very pro-marijuana, push for a change in the laws, and explain that once the law changed he could get everyone pardoned. Instead we had a whole episode where he debated firing the Surgeon General for her stating that pot wasn't that bad.
@@blackcat4859 He did. But in Toby's case, he had just been convicted/got a plea (i forget which). Toby didn't ask for the pardon. His ex-wife started asking, and then others joined in.
@@blackcat4859 Toby didn't apply for it, Toby didn't call his "friends" asking for it, Andy went to CJ to ask for it. And then CJ got the OPA (Office of the Pardon Attorney) on it. She went to meet Toby in his apartment, but even then Toby didn't ask for pardon or commutation. He got it at the end, but due to Andy (who did it for her kids) and CJ (who did it for their friendship or guilty conscience) efforts.
@@alexturner8104 True, I was referring to the idea that Bartlett was handed another very politically hot potato pardon situation. In this case the son of a very affluent party supporter seeking a pardon. Then with Toby, a former member of Bartlett's inner team. The only good part of the Toby pardon storyline. Is the fact we were never treated to some scene of Toby asking, or even worse pleading with Bartlett for the pardon. Have always felt the Toby treason storyline was a mistake for the show, and the character. But that is a whole other can of worms.😂
Yea, reality does suck. Why doesn't Sorkin serve in the White House. Write a speech for our president that doesn't make me ashamed to be an American. Reflect some... intelect, compassion, historical perspective or future vision. These tweets or twats or bits or bites that satisfy a numb constituency might generate hits, but do they inspire. Do they resonate. Do they indicate a morsel of potential greatness over petty pandering. Reruns are all I can stomach and I'll never vote again.... Unless Sorkin nominates the candidate.
I remember this episode. The ending was gut wrenching. Another one of the many reasons that this was a great show. We will never see it’s like again.
not with that attitude.
yes, we can.
Was this the episode where Bartlett's priest comes and tells the story of the guy that gets three warnings to leave his house in a storm?
Also, what was the guy they are talking about convicted for?
@@blackcat4859 no that one was season 1, episode 14 (Take this Sabbath Day)
@@blackcat4859 no that’s was the one where various people were trying to have the president commute the death penalty. Unfortunately he did not and the show finished with the priest hearing Jed’s confession! (A first for the Oval Office?).
This scene and that scene where they reveal that the kidnapped reporter dies and reveals the news to his widow was remarkable !
I too recall this episode, the devastating look on the face of Donna was palpable. She really felt the loss directly.
"You can pardon him in the spring."
Yeah, about that....
for those who don't know, Donovan committed suicide after having his pardon rejected
@@shriramvenu Donna was the one who “took the bullet “ in this case. She tells the President and others about the phone call from his sister.
I loved this show then and now. It's incredible what we ask of our president. Gut wrenching decisions and the toll is obvious on our presidents. Thank you
The following scene where we discover that the boy had committed suicide. Donna was truly devastated.
An American President- That is the most compelling illusion created by the master Sorkin. Whether portrayed by Douglas or Sheen (supported by countless other icons of the art) these wonderfully weaved snippets of politics and power and passion and pressure provide voters a peek into the gut wrenching realities confronted daily by those servants of our democracy. Skewed, perhaps, but impartial, these are heroes all- flawed to human perfection but in moments Sorkin so often creates, His Presidents shine. They inspire, the content of their character, their courage and commitment- idealistic Fantasy, I sadly admit, but i thank them for providing an escape from the way things are and a hopeful vision into what they could be.
Somebody should raise the fkng bar!!
Very well presented. Thank you for your elegant observation. And, regarding raising of the bar: heck, we gotta find it in the mud before we can raise it. 😮. Heck #2: I’d even welcome Vinick over the contemptible miscreant about to once again disgrace the Office of the President.
Amazing scene. Amazing.
This is when Donna grew up!❤
Completely agree! I think soon after she wanted to have a chat with josh about her career and for some 3 seasons josh postponed it / sent her to gaza and one fine day , she got up and left!
Toby talking about pardons - ironic.
First eventually love this show😂😂😂
What?
What was the crime the kid committed?
They were all drug offenders.
If I recall correctly, I believe he FedEx'd some drugs somewhere... And his parents had been big donors to the Bartlett campaign
@@rdhec9349 it was his stepfather who was the contributor, but Leo and Jed assumed that someone would “join the dots”. Hence the decision to postpone the pardon.
Orrrrrrrr, he could have legalized marijuana, then pardon all the offenders.
The president doesn’t have that power it’s a power reserved to the legislature.
He can advocate, he can recommend, he can make speeches but he can’t change the law
@@megc1981 He could have been very pro-marijuana, push for a change in the laws, and explain that once the law changed he could get everyone pardoned.
Instead we had a whole episode where he debated firing the Surgeon General for her stating that pot wasn't that bad.
The early 2000s were a challenging time with marijuana legalization
Then a couple of seasons later Bartlett has to play this game on behalf of Toby Ziegler.
Toby didn't solicit for a pardon . Most of his friends did though
@@alexturner8104I thought Toby got a pardon by Bartlett. Wasn't it the last scene of Bartlett in the oval office with the letter lying on the desk?
@@blackcat4859 He did. But in Toby's case, he had just been convicted/got a plea (i forget which). Toby didn't ask for the pardon. His ex-wife started asking, and then others joined in.
@@blackcat4859
Toby didn't apply for it, Toby didn't call his "friends" asking for it, Andy went to CJ to ask for it. And then CJ got the OPA (Office of the Pardon Attorney) on it.
She went to meet Toby in his apartment, but even then Toby didn't ask for pardon or commutation.
He got it at the end, but due to Andy (who did it for her kids) and CJ (who did it for their friendship or guilty conscience) efforts.
@@alexturner8104 True, I was referring to the idea that Bartlett was handed another very politically hot potato pardon situation. In this case the son of a very affluent party supporter seeking a pardon. Then with Toby, a former member of Bartlett's inner team. The only good part of the Toby pardon storyline. Is the fact we were never treated to some scene of Toby asking, or even worse pleading with Bartlett for the pardon. Have always felt the Toby treason storyline was a mistake for the show, and the character. But that is a whole other can of worms.😂
Project 2025. The end.
Yea, reality does suck. Why doesn't Sorkin serve in the White House. Write a speech for our president that doesn't make me ashamed to be an American. Reflect some... intelect, compassion, historical perspective or future vision. These tweets or twats or bits or bites that satisfy a numb constituency might generate hits, but do they inspire. Do they resonate. Do they indicate a morsel of potential greatness over petty pandering. Reruns are all I can stomach and I'll never vote again....
Unless Sorkin nominates the candidate.
meh, fk donavan. actions have consequences. get used to it.
......he missed a "FLY FISHING SEASON"?????? well!!!! tragic!
You should really delve into Thornton Wilders' OUR TOWN . Though something tells me it's too late for you..