Will's failing was that He could never see past the election to the running of the country. Everything was about winning with him and his guy. Santos saw the deeper issue, and realized He didn't want to win that way. Josh and Will were both willing to destroy Bakers' Wife to win, but only Santos held his guy back and chose the higher moral plain. This was still a time where we believed that people on both sides could do the right moral thing, and put country and morality over party and power. It is sad that we have lost that time.
Yes and no. Will did see beyond the election. He was just highly partisan, thought Russel was the only Democrat who could possibly win, and felt that a mediocre Democratic president was still better than a strong Republican, even one as temperate as Vinick. That said, I did hate Will's character for a season and a half as the writers made him more and more politically cynical and craven as Russel's consigliere.
@@SpydeyDan Maybe Will thought that if Russell won he'd have 4 years to turn Russell into a strong presidential type and get him ready to run for reelection.Also i'm wondering if Will realized in the end that Santos was the better candidate but don't forget that there might be a difference between a better candidate and a candidate most likely to win.For example after 8 years of Bartlett Democrats might have been ready for a mediocre president.
Maybe Leo as a father figure to Josh knew he eventually had to let Josh go to find his own path and not be in Leo's shadow.So even though Leo may have known CJ was the best person to replace him as COS he also picked her because he was giving Josh a chance to leave.Leo may have known that as long as he was COS Josh wouldn't leave to find a candidate to run for president since Josh had that felling of abandoning people.
Good clip. I own the whole series and watch it all almost every year. This shows character, something that is severely lacking in the 2024 election as one candidate for over a decade has resorted to name calling and given this situation wouldn't have thought twice about letting out the info. His staff have a green light on anything remotely they can find, like immigrants eating pets. How low can a person go! We went from a country with integrity to Donald McDummie. In 20 years from now when they start writing history books, how do think this is going to play out? (I'm a former history teacher, and retired attorney, BTW).
Well. If there is a country left in 40 yrs they’re going to tear us apart. For letting it happen. Trump is literally trying to tear us apart It’s all about division
When I look at Trump, he reminds me too much of Jacob Zuma in my country. He was also prosecuted during his tenure as the president of our country. He was charged with corruption and before he became president, rape. Now I am not saying that Mr. Trump was as bad as him, but you can appreciate the parallels here, because he also never spend a single day in jail and is was still running for presidency, winning a province last election. If history will remember anything, it will be the failure of the justice systems of both our countries to bring justice to the powerful.
I hope to find something I´m so passionate about, that I´m willing to fight so hard and give everything for it, like Josh in 3:28. To be so exhausted from working for something you really belive in must be a cathartic feeling, no matter if you win or lose.
I don't quite understand why not disclosing her mental health condition is a big deal. She's not the candidate, and it's immaterial to how he'd function as president. Are we supposed to know if Jill Biden is depressed? It never even occurred to me. Just seems like a reach. It's nothing at all like Bartlet's MS.
2 reasons. One, the Dems could not find a candidate, and this was a circus compared to Vinick. Two, you can survive one health scandal, cant survive a second
The implications are that a spouse's mental health could (theoretically) impact on a VP's or POTUS's capacity to do the job, if the mental health issue returned or became very severe. So right or wrong, in electoral politics it's a thing. (Don't even think about bringing common sense into the argument.) Just exactly how or when a candidate could or should introduce it into the public spotlight is whole other matter -- and yet not disclosing it is also an issue. (Again, forget common sense.)
Two words...Thomas Eagleton. Mental health is still treated as a taboo. As if the person is crazy if he or she is depressed. In this case, it is guilt by association. The duties of First Lady are gruesome. And it's not just if you are doing s good job, but how you dress and look as you're doing it
@@EmilioReyes_97 So much of politics is sad. It's an unfortunate fact that every form of political system for societies larger than a village is flawed, due to the need to turn large numbers of people into abstractions and the further need for "representation" in parliament/congress/folketing/riksdag/duma/whatever. The moment you do that, you bring in a mish-mash of lowest-common-denominator factors that defy rational analysis and common sense. I sometimes wonder if democracy is on an inevitable slide toward blanket, rancor-driven populism, and whether Trumpism is merely the tip of the future spear.
you are incredibly naive to think that only Trump would do something like this. they all do. please tell me you're not a voter and are that incredibly gullible and impressionable
@@robertpadillosandiego2821you’re gonna find a very common theme in the particular brand of TDS that WW clip viewers have. Not an isolated individual, they actually believe their candidate could never.
Will's failing was that He could never see past the election to the running of the country. Everything was about winning with him and his guy. Santos saw the deeper issue, and realized He didn't want to win that way. Josh and Will were both willing to destroy Bakers' Wife to win, but only Santos held his guy back and chose the higher moral plain.
This was still a time where we believed that people on both sides could do the right moral thing, and put country and morality over party and power. It is sad that we have lost that time.
Yes and no. Will did see beyond the election. He was just highly partisan, thought Russel was the only Democrat who could possibly win, and felt that a mediocre Democratic president was still better than a strong Republican, even one as temperate as Vinick.
That said, I did hate Will's character for a season and a half as the writers made him more and more politically cynical and craven as Russel's consigliere.
@@SpydeyDan Maybe Will thought that if Russell won he'd have 4 years to turn Russell into a strong presidential type and get him ready to run for reelection.Also i'm wondering if Will realized in the end that Santos was the better candidate but don't forget that there might be a difference between a better candidate and a candidate most likely to win.For example after 8 years of Bartlett Democrats might have been ready for a mediocre president.
Leo & Josh. A Father talking to his son. Beautiful.
Maybe Leo as a father figure to Josh knew he eventually had to let Josh go to find his own path and not be in Leo's shadow.So even though Leo may have known CJ was the best person to replace him as COS he also picked her because he was giving Josh a chance to leave.Leo may have known that as long as he was COS Josh wouldn't leave to find a candidate to run for president since Josh had that felling of abandoning people.
Good clip. I own the whole series and watch it all almost every year. This shows character, something that is severely lacking in the 2024 election as one candidate for over a decade has resorted to name calling and given this situation wouldn't have thought twice about letting out the info. His staff have a green light on anything remotely they can find, like immigrants eating pets. How low can a person go!
We went from a country with integrity to Donald McDummie.
In 20 years from now when they start writing history books, how do think this is going to play out? (I'm a former history teacher, and retired attorney, BTW).
Well. If there is a country left in 40 yrs they’re going to tear us apart. For letting it happen.
Trump is literally trying to tear us apart It’s all about division
When I look at Trump, he reminds me too much of Jacob Zuma in my country. He was also prosecuted during his tenure as the president of our country. He was charged with corruption and before he became president, rape. Now I am not saying that Mr. Trump was as bad as him, but you can appreciate the parallels here, because he also never spend a single day in jail and is was still running for presidency, winning a province last election. If history will remember anything, it will be the failure of the justice systems of both our countries to bring justice to the powerful.
LOLOLOLOL
I hope to find something I´m so passionate about, that I´m willing to fight so hard and give everything for it, like Josh in 3:28. To be so exhausted from working for something you really belive in must be a cathartic feeling, no matter if you win or lose.
I don't quite understand why not disclosing her mental health condition is a big deal. She's not the candidate, and it's immaterial to how he'd function as president.
Are we supposed to know if Jill Biden is depressed? It never even occurred to me.
Just seems like a reach. It's nothing at all like Bartlet's MS.
2 reasons. One, the Dems could not find a candidate, and this was a circus compared to Vinick. Two, you can survive one health scandal, cant survive a second
The implications are that a spouse's mental health could (theoretically) impact on a VP's or POTUS's capacity to do the job, if the mental health issue returned or became very severe. So right or wrong, in electoral politics it's a thing. (Don't even think about bringing common sense into the argument.) Just exactly how or when a candidate could or should introduce it into the public spotlight is whole other matter -- and yet not disclosing it is also an issue. (Again, forget common sense.)
@@ianboyle1026"forget common sense"
I know what you mean, but it's very sad how the people making these issues just just do that so easily.
Two words...Thomas Eagleton. Mental health is still treated as a taboo. As if the person is crazy if he or she is depressed. In this case, it is guilt by association. The duties of First Lady are gruesome. And it's not just if you are doing s good job, but how you dress and look as you're doing it
@@EmilioReyes_97 So much of politics is sad.
It's an unfortunate fact that every form of political system for societies larger than a village is flawed, due to the need to turn large numbers of people into abstractions and the further need for "representation" in parliament/congress/folketing/riksdag/duma/whatever. The moment you do that, you bring in a mish-mash of lowest-common-denominator factors that defy rational analysis and common sense.
I sometimes wonder if democracy is on an inevitable slide toward blanket, rancor-driven populism, and whether Trumpism is merely the tip of the future spear.
Would he not be able to disclose it due to HIPPA if she didn't want him to, even though they're married?
HIPPA applies to Healthcare PROVIDERS, no one else.
HIPAA only applies to doctors and other healthcare providers. For everyone else it's not illegal, just being an asshole.
You should learn what HIPPA really is
HIPPA didn't exist when this show was written.
It was signed into law on August 21, 1996
Trump WOULD DO THIS!!
Trump has already done far worse.
both would do it.
So would have Clinton both of them, so would have W because of Cheney and Rove whisping in his ear.
you are incredibly naive to think that only Trump would do something like this. they all do. please tell me you're not a voter and are that incredibly gullible and impressionable
@@robertpadillosandiego2821you’re gonna find a very common theme in the particular brand of TDS that WW clip viewers have. Not an isolated individual, they actually believe their candidate could never.
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@@vdoggydogg3922 jealous
@@vdoggydogg3922 and yet here you are, engaging with me :)