2023 Audi RS3 vs Toyota Supra: Unfair Comparison!
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- This 2023 Audi RS3 is the newest generation of Audi's ultimate 401hp, 5 cylinder AWD sport sedan. The Audi is the new kid on the block with tons of critical acclaim. How does it stack up against the Toyota Supra in canyons and on the freeway? We run 0-60 times for each!
**When I refer to "auto mode" at the beginning of the RS3 drive, I meant the transmission was shitting itself. I was in Dynamic mode when I filmed the segment, but I drove it in Individual and played with all the modes for a quite a while before I got on camera. The car is reluctant to downshift on its own, and the turbo lag is very noticeable under all conditions.
Let the battle begin with this episode of Unfair Comparison Audi RS3 vs Toyota Supra!
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As a RS3 owner I would like to mention that you are 100% right. I have been always saying that rs3 has a few drawbacks. The first one, as you mentioned, the turbo lag. It was quite disappointing for me to feel it. And yes, it is very noticeable and something I had to get used to specially if you prefer moderate driving on highways. It gets a little better if driving in manual mode but still quite big wait time until the turbo spools. I've driven many cars and I was quite surprised after driving B58/S58 engine from bmw (supra, 340, 440, m2, m3, etc). The spool is instant, it almost feels like a powerful naturally aspirated engine.
Secondly, in terms of cornering. I have always been saying it and will be saying it. Rs3 is about going straight line. You will feel that understeer right away on the rs3. Audis have been always struggling with this issue. You have to be extra careful when taking corners. I personally didn't feel quite a struggle driving pretty much every bmw line up.
Third, I would like to mention the brakes on the rs3. They are, however, spectacular. One of the best brake systems I have ever experienced. You will be surprised how powerful they are. By the way, lamborghini has used the same front brakes in the past for a few of their models.
Fourth, tuning potential. As the author of the video mentioned, rs3 is quite known in the drag race world. I already said that rs3 is about to go in a straight line and it is 100% correct. The way this car launches is absolutely insane in a good way of course. Even stock rs3 feels very fast when launched. After some modifications the car is literally a beast. You will be destroying pretty much every single car and you won't be afraid to race super cars such as Lambos, R8s, Ferraris, etc. But let's talk about some drawbacks. I would say it is the price that you have to pay to at least to get to Stage 2 levels. On every forced induction engine when it comes to tuning there are basic mods that are the must such as air coming in, coming out and cooling of the air. Mostly people upgrade their air intakes, downpipes and intercoolers and of course software upgrade on forced induction engines. So on the RS3 is is quite expensive to be honest to do this kind of upgrades. For example, upgrading the downpipe requires removal of the driveshaft. There is also one more part that usually rs3 owners upgrade is the turbo inlet. For such small part it takes quite some time to install it. Plus forget about doing everything yourself because there are big changes you will damage something such as the fragile driveshaft. Supra, on another hand, is very user friendly regarding upgrades and not expensive in terms of parts and labor.
Overall, I still think that rs3 is a great car but not for everyone. There are things that you just have to get used. My suggestion before buying the car is to actually drive it for quite some time before making decisions.
I don't think someone will read this but I just wanted to share my thoughts. Thanks!
You are accurate to everything mate...the b58 engine has amazing results with bolts on and can go to 800 hp without open the engine,but to put that on tarmac with the supra is hard
On the other hand with the rs3 at 500 hp range its a killer from a dig and at roll also
This is what I stated in the video. Lots of comments seem to think I was in the wrong mode, or somehow want to believe what they've read about the Audi as the be-all, end-all sedan. It's not. The turbo lag is extremely noticeable and the transmission is frustratingly reluctant to downshift, regardless of mode. Sometimes, it did not downshift in manual mode, despite not being too high in the rev band. It's a wonderful straight line car. It's not a wonderful canyon car. I'm sure it's blazing fast at the Nurburgring, but a fast time at the Nordschliefe has no bearing on how the car behaves on a tight canyon road. The B58/8HP combo, is simply much better.
I think this car requires a follow up video
Rs3 is a building platform. Go stage 2 e85 and you’ll have no lag issues and shit on cars 3 times the price.
@William Arrington the lag doesn't go away with a downpipe. I currently have catless downpipe. It became a little more responsive after installation but still the lag is very noticeable.
I just traded in my M2 Competition for a 2023 RS3 two weeks ago. I've only put a couple hundred miles on it so far, but I have a couple corners I like to take fast. And the first time I took the RS3 through one of them, I did it faster than I ever did with my M2 and it felt planted firmly the whole time.
Totally subjective, but it impressed me. I wasn't really expecting it to handle as well as the M2.
Wow. I'm happily surprised to hear that. I'm shopping rn for RS5 vs competitors like M3/4 and CT5-V
If you don’t mind me asking, but why the switch? I have a 12’ TT RS and have been toying with the idea of trading her in for an M2 Competition
What year and options M2 Comp? I imagine the upcoming new m2 comp would be right there with the performance. Previous gen vs current
@@M340B58 BMW Fanboiiii
@@Oberschichtplus where
6:30 did I just low-key got rick-rolled?
Low key. Shhhhh
Great review, correct information too. Only thing I heard was you said DAZA these new 8Ys have a DNWC motor, DAZA was 17-18, DNWA 19-20, DNWC for the 8Ys. But definitely looking forward to the review of your build process. I've had a BMW 340 MPPSK with a stage 2 tune and of course my rs3 which was stage 2 then and the rs3 was quicker. Stock to stock I believe my rs3 was quicker, possibly the supra being lighter might be quicker? But these are 2 fantastic engines the B58 and the Audi 5 cylinder.. Great review tho!
RS3 all day
Can't go wrong
100%
All day everyday day
Nothing like a CA canyon run!
Quick question are you running 18x11 square setup? Your fitment on the Supra looks amazing
As the Supra used in the comparison is tuned, I wonder how much perceived better throttle response and shift points were due to tuning. I have a Stage 1+ RS3 (both ECU and TCU tuning with all bolt ons but downpipe) and that transforms the throttle response and shift points. The turbo lag is also lessened. I would imagine this skewed the “feel” for the Supra, considering how the same kind of tuning transformed my RS3.
Another key thing to note: RS3 also sees 500-515 whp with E85, similar to the Supra.
The biggest thing going for the Supra is the weight and two door, two seater chasis. This really makes the tuned 380hp feel faster and better put to the ground.
Road test review should have been done with the Audi in rs mode and dynamic. In auto the car is more geared for easy Sunday drives, not ripping through the canyons. 90% of other rs3 reviews, the drivers raved on how much fun the car was tossing into corners
I didn't explain at the beginning of the drive that I was in Dynamic mode. When I said auto mode, i was referring to the transmission, not the actual drive mode. I drove it it quite a lot before shooting the drive in every drive mode. It just doesn't like to downshift and it doesn't feel organic. It's very heavily dependent on electronics to rotate the car
@@revmatchtv you can still have the transmission in D even in dynamic mode. You should’ve gone to RS performance mode and the trans in S. Sorry but I really don’t think you had the car set up properly
@@j_merlotte5467 @revmatchtv Agreed there is quite a big difference between Dynamic , Dynamic individual (depending on how it was setup) and Dynamic performance or even " rear torque ". Also have to set stability to sport or off so car won't step in when slip is detected, my 2023 has very little lag , just need the right gear . And as mentioned below Tuning makes a HUGE difference , tuning my MK7.5 R made it a completely different car .
Nice comparo, although I second the opinion that a TT RS would’ve been more ‘apples to apples’. What it lacks in torque splitter tricks it makes up for in weight, speed and interior design.
Sadly, the TTRS is no longer made. '22 was the last year and quite hard to find. I agree it would have been closer. I neve said these comparisons are fair!
@@revmatchtv maybe closer, but would have been even more unfair price-wise. this is the right matchup no doubt!
you can mod that rs3 equally if not better
Nice review! I really dig the A3's vibe and the RS3 is amazing. The Supra is growing on me in the styling department, but I still wish Toyota developed their own engine for it. (I know, I know, that ship has sailed.) 😀
why can't people just be happy that the supra has an amazing engine that has same tuning spirit as the previous supra engine? Not to mention the B58 is a better engine as far as driving characteristics . torque delivery and amount of it, less lag and probably makes more power lb for lb of boost on same size turbo
Toyota doesn’t have anything as good as the B58 for this type of performance car. It’s also proving to be very reliable, which is probably why Toyota went with it. Amazing engine.
If you only knew , RS3 all day baby .
B58 6 cylinder in the supra all day
@@logansam4763 Rs3>Supra because when you push on the peddle you get most of the power fast and efficiently regardless of the lag. Plus Quattro awd traction is undefeated. And don’t get me started on that super car beating launch.
Great comparo that does makes sense as both cars are priced closely and, having driven both, I agree with your conclusion. If you don't need the extra seats, go with the Supra... overall a better, vigoral sports car with the RS3 being a little more well rounded.
RS3 does it all. Supra does it for 2 people.
@@revmatchtv Supra on a roll is the way to go.
The BMW and Audi rivalry means the RS3 and Supra are often compared against one another. I think the more interesting match-up would be TTRS vs Supra.
TTRS would be a better match up, but the RS3 is fundamentally the same as the TTRS. Same powertrain, a little lighter, shorter wheelbase. Sadly, it's now discontinued.
@@revmatchtv The TTRS is about 300 pounds lighter than the RS3 and about 350 pounds lighter than the 3.0 Supra.
@@CEOLISSS TTRS and Supra weigh similar
@@CollateralFatality You are correct. For some reason i was thinking about the M2.
TTRS would lose the matchup miserably as its suffers a lot from the understeer. It does not get the gimmicky torque splitter and loses in the functionality departament. Its interior hasn't been updated too.
Just a fancy looking car, super fast in a straight line with a driveability of a brick 🤷🏻♂️.
I agree with pretty much all of those points EXCEPT the point of how they both sound. The RS3's unique 5 cylinder sound is just iconic. It wasn't truly heard in the videos. The RS3 is by far one the best sounding cars ever, and definitely takes the cake when compared to any I6 motor.
It was hard to get much exhaust note since the muffler is pretty quiet, but yes, it sounds EPIC! A good exhaust will make this car really sound special!
@@revmatchtv it might have been in comfort mode vs dynamic mode which opens up the exhaust flaps. But also a downpipe really opens up the stock RS exhaust. So you almost never see aftermarket exhausts on these RS3s.
@@illicity2383 I was in Dynamic mode. It's not loud.
Bro rick rolled us with the rs3 screen hahaha
Waiting for someone to notice!
@@revmatchtv i did😂
RS3 for me (if I could afford it).
This is the video I wanted lol
Why don't you do a comparison between the RS3 and M440 GC?
Beo rickrolled us in a car review 💀
Supra , the b58 is a beast. Better transmission and it’s a dedicated sports car . It’s BMW vs Audi
Got my RS3 new back in 2018, she’s still a beast.
Long term ownership has been great for you? Mileage on that beast?
What road is that
You speak as if the DAZA doesn’t have crazy tuning potential but the B58 does. This whole review just sounded a little biased from the start
I said the Daza has big tuning potential. In fact, I announced this is a project car that will be tuned. We all know the B58 builds. Was I not clear?
@@revmatchtv No
He was clear dude 😐🙄
I’ve been going back and forth on these two cars for like a year now 😭😭
I would like to have both of them. They are both incredible cars. I lean toward the RS3.. Probably due to the 5 cyl sound. Got me at vrrroooommmm. Screw souless electric cars! The I6 in the Supra sounds great. The Supra looks very good going down the road as well. Love both of them, we are in good times.
Are you still struggling ? 😂 because I am, it's almost 5 a.m. and here I'm
I've only been to 4 HPDE track weekends but that said of these two I would pick RS3. Well once you start adding power you add heat, so maybe a stage 1 on RS3. I also dealt with lots of wet track days and I personally think maybe the AWD RS3 would help. The RS3 new AWD system sort of reduces under steer that is good. Also I've heard several people say the supra has bad wind buffering with windows down, that alone gets me not to buy it. I really like the look of Supra better than most cars.
There's a cheap fix to that actually with mirror caps but rs3 has 4 doors which I love fast sedans but I will still choose the supra. I also know the 335 hp is bs when those supras were making 380s whp on dynos so tuned od say he was at least 400whp if it was a minor tune
@@ericinfante1885 stage 1 mk5 supra tuned makes 430ish whp 🤤☺️ add downpipes and you'll make 450-460whp
@Austin Weippert ahh even more... yeah this supra Mayne has a bad tune or something because ain't no way it's making 380ish hp when I does that stock
@@ericinfante1885 of its 2020 or 2019 it's possible it's the model that made 335whp stock and 380whp when tuned ☺️
@Austin Weippert didn't the 2020 made 380 whp stock on many dynos and the 335 was just bs?
Damn! I own this yellow Supra for 2 and a half years and it's really fun. The downside is the lack of practicability. Now i saw the RS3 four weeks ago and i'm hot for it. But the price for a new one says "No".
practicality
@@TheRandyns Thanx, i'm german and our word for it is 'Praktikabilität' 😃🤣
@@DeeDee-eb6fe I didnt mean any offense! 😆
@@TheRandyns Don't worry!😉
It helped me to improve my english. (Again what learned - in german: Wieder was gelernt! 🤣😂)
How would you compare the B7 RS to this new RS3 (size and performance wise)?
The B7 with the v8 is notably slower, but has a much more natural NA throttle response. I think the back seat of the RS4 is bigger, but I’m sure you could google dimensions.
@@revmatchtv I guess it's true, with the right technology V8s have become obsolete 😮💨
@@gsxellence There are some amazing V8 engines still in production. The one in the B7 is pretty low on torque. It's nice, but it's relatively tame.
RS3 for daily driving & Supra for track/weekend!
You can’t compare a tuned car vs a stock rs3
You should’ve tuned a stage 1 e85 rs3 to be apples to apples
my mans really rick rolled us via dashboard
Yes 🤣
I have a 2020 audi s3 right now, with only 11k km on it, thinking of getting the manual supra in 2yrs since rs3 isnt available in canada
We will get them as a 2025 MY so I hear from AoC.. I have a 2020 S3 Technik I got for my mom, I tuned it cars fun but the B58 is a monster vs the EA888 engine. I've seen one "CU later A91" edition delivered already..
@@1245rs3 which car has a b58? Got mine super cheap though, couple months before everything skyrocketed in price, 48k cad brand new fully loaded technik, @0.48%apr lol such a steal
Is manual shifting with supra automatic as fast as the RS3?
I don’t know about the actual shift speed, but the Supra is far more responsive when you pull the paddles or hit the gas. The RS3 is frustrating in how unwilling it is to downshift.
@@revmatchtv Thanks for your response
No opportunity to drive a stock 2022 or 2023 Supra??? Its more like apples and cucumbers comparison since you tested a stock RS3 back to back with a modded Supra with a tune, better tires, and upgraded suspension. I am a fan of both, but its always a better comparison when you can test stock vs stock to get the most honest impressions.
What about the rs3 vs the m340i. Is this comparable or nah
RS3 sits perfectly between the m3 and m340i for both power and cost (although you can spec an m340i for the same $ as an rs3 if you want)
No-one commenting about the "Sexy iPhone" and "Never Gonna Give You Up"?🤣🤣🤣
🤣🤣🤣
How much does a m3-m4 comp go for $110k?
Or RS3 for 55k? And full bolt ons and tune for like 6 grand if you wish. I’ll keep my RS3 just makes more sense for the price. Legendary 5 cyl . Like the Supra own an older but the new ones feel a bit to small for me like my old focus rs.
No m3/m4 start around $80k you’re going to pay $65-70k for that rs3. I considered one cause of the engine and sound and the blah exterior it doesn’t look special. The transmission isn’t on the zf8 level also.
@@Bimmer_Bill I hear good things about the zf8 ! 2019 Rs3 13k on odometer for 54k. All the m3 comps in CT are between 100 and 110k. The Audi has a good all wheel drive set up the transmission is above average. And that 5 cylinder is iconic. And aftermarket community is pretty good. Had to get the Audi just felt like the right decision.
Especially when u weigh performance vs price.
Do like BMW’s tho the back half is sexy!
@@mikemorales4806 trust me if the rs3 didn’t have such a conservative look (I think a Honda accord looks more aggressive), I would have bought one. Instead I decided to wait for the new M2 since the m240i was so close to the rs3 in performance as an M lite model. Then when the new M2 was unveiled (it’s ugly), I decided not to buy one. I might go CPO (21-22’) m3/m4 comp in the near future after they depreciate a little bit. Unfortunately the twin turbo s58 while being the best inline 6 cylinder on the market doesn’t sound as good as the Audi 5 or b58 single turbo 6.
@@Bimmer_Bill I have 6 months to go until I’m off probation for speeding! My three year wait is almost over so a car that is understated on the outside was a must! The rs3 fits that perfectly. Cruze right by the fuzz and they think it’s an A3.🤫
Next daily will probably be an M240i xdrive.
Looks like a fun lil power plant..
@@mikemorales4806 lol great choice then! 👍
One is a company car and one is a personal car
"Frankly this is just more of a dedicated sports car than the RS3". Wonder if he's referring to the modified sports car; is it a better canyon carver too 🤷. This is some profound stuff right here lmao.
i mean the supra stock is still rwd and lighter lmao
The underbelly of the Audi is VW with a better suit. The Supra is just legendary and a dedicated sports car. It's just a let down that BMW produced this engine. A reformed 2JZ would have been nice but the production costs would be prohibitive even for Toyota.
I’ll take that Audi rs3
Audi without a doubt
Comparing the RS3 to a BMW M is also an unfair comparison. The M is great in the summer for performance driving. The RS3 is a daily performance machine. The RS3 would make it through the snow here in Michigan that a BMW would be stuck or a roadside ornament in. Plus the RS3 is a better-looking vehicle in my opinion. Same for the comparison with the Supra. The Supra is too cramped to be used as a daily driver. If you can afford and want a summer-only car, get a BMW or Supra. You want a daily driver that will hang with the performance machines and get you to work in bad weather.... RS3 is the choice.
Put it in RS mode and it will downshift genius
It was in RS mode. It hesitates badly on downshift regardless of mode.
RS3 all the way. Got a 2019 RS3 Stage 2 on E, 670awhp.
What stage 2 is making those kind of numbers?
@@Grim_NY 3 not 2, fat fingered it.
TTE Software via APR, It's a complete staged kit, a SRM GTX3582 turbo, complete APR race components, APR Intercooler, APR Race DP and MP, 980cc injectors all on E60 and kit has a full TCU software tune as well
Dyno 557tq 670hp.
@@fadmap9676 awesome man appreciate the info! Going stage 2 soon then long term goal is a full build with ims850
In the RS3, if you want it to downshift in auto more aggressively, you needed to have the car in sport mode.
It does not have Sport mode. It was in Dynamic mode
@@revmatchtv It does have a hidden sport mode, but it’s lesser than dynamic mode. If you looked, at the shifter, the S is hidden with the D.
First time I've heard the word "recalcitrant" in a car review 😆
We use only the finest dictionaries for our videos.
Put it in performance mode it’s super aggressive on shifting
BMW makes drivers cars, enough said. Toyota did well with the B58 / ZF tune for the Supra, the M2 is better for performance driving, M240i a great buy for a daily.
RS3, same deal… Oversteer, turbo lag, dud dynamics, sold by its sprint times - nothings changed.
You can’t compare a tuned car with one that’s not.
This Supra is tuned to 382hp for this comparison. However, I've driven every year Supra including the new manual and engine wise, my thoughts stand.
@@revmatchtv your thoughts don't mean anything.
Bmw really did a good job with der Zupra
This is why I chose to go with a BMW X3 m40i. It's legitimately the perfect vehicle for daily driving and has the same 382 HP B58. With just a little simple tuning I've got 420 to the wheels 415tq. A few more upgrades and I'll be close to or past 600wheel HP. H&R lowering springs, X3M sway bars and it corners like an SUV shouldn't be able to. I just wish I had the money to also get a Supra lol
Well, with a relatively inexpensive ECU flash and literally no other mods, the RS3 can be putting down almost 500 hp and a comparable amount of torque to the wheels.
@Nelson Vanvickle an RS is comparable to a full M car. Tunes on an X3M Comp or M3CX would give that RS3 a nice run
The mod potential is rs3 over supra no?
The B58 has far more development behind it, but the RS3 always puts down the power better and is a 1/4 monster. Overall, the Supra market is much larger and there are far more mods available.
@@revmatchtv I've so 0 research so I take your word for it. Surprising, because that rs3 engine has been in production for what feels like 9 years now and I have yet to see an unmodified one whenever a friend has one. With about 10-15k you can get 550-700 hp and sub 10 quarter I think 🤣
@3:11 reconstrwhat??? Huh
I’m deciding between the two. Plus for the Audi is 4-door, AWD, 5-cylinder engine, no mods need for looks. Supra will need better wheels like TE37s. That’s 4k+. B58 is equally as appealing as the 5-cylinder. Downside for Supra is a 2 door.
If you need 4 doors there's no choice really. The Supra is a more rewarding driver though. Have you seen the wheels on the 2023 Supra? They look fantastic imho.
@@revmatchtv Yeah. It’s been hard deciding between the two. I do like the look of the RS3 stock. The Supra needs some carbon trim, wheels which is gonna cost quite a bit. I like the 2021-2022 Supra wheels. Not these new ones. It would be nice having backseats, and Awd so I can go to the mountains and snow. For a daily with some good tuning options the RS3 looks better. If it were a dedicated tuner car I would absolutely go Supra. Still might. The torque on the b58 is amazing. Lots of potential.
@@Skeetopunk01 the Supra doesn’t really need any cosmetic mods, I think you comparing wheels is reaching. you’re basically comparing the best wheel options for one car vs the other car stock wheels. you don’t necessarily need TE’s on the Supra so it doesn’t have to be a $4k upgrade. You’re nit picking at the Supra a lot which should already give you your answer… clearly you want an RS3. But personally if I had to choose a car and I wanted a 4 door AWD vehicle the M340i xDrive exist. I have an M240i and the B58 in the M340i is the exact same as the Supra, the only difference is weight, the new RS3 is 3700lbs and M340i is 3900lbs… you’re not losing much at 200lbs, and remember the M340i is RWD based vs the RS3’s FWD base so it already feels better around corners. The only way I’d pick the RS3 over a B58/S58 is if the Sportback RS3 comes to the states.
@@LeJunny I’ll reframe. The RS3 looks perfect from factory. No body mods or wheeled needed. Can’t say the same for the Supra. It needs wheels and some carbon trim to look on par with a factory RS3. Depreciation is another factor. The RS3 will hold its value the best unless an A91 MT version can be had. That will go up in value. I’ve had three BMW’s. They depreciate fast. The M340i xDrive is on my list. But the Supra is more appealing delisted AWD and 4 doors. Finally.. I do want a stick again. Which means the Supra MT is the choice if that is non-negotiable.
@@Skeetopunk01 Choices choices...
Compare a jb4 rs3 with a splash of e85 and make 470whp. Only fair
i drove an 8v stage 2 450hp, decided to wait for an 8y, months of waiting with dealers asking 5-10K markup, and already 10k more msrp than the 8v.... and figure another 6-8K for bolt ons/ecy and tcu tune..... almost 90k for an amazing engine but an average car. i'd rather get an m5, m3, or gtr for that kind on money.
The issue is that the new cars can't be tuned easily. You're looking at probably $6-10K to do a femto swap or similar on the ECU. It's not worth it. Just move up to the next price point of vehicle.
Supra sounds amazing, looks amazing and is faster . Supra for the win
Anytime i see an rs3 or w/e on the highway i’m just not wow’ed. Probably because they are quite common, just like porsches. Not to say they arenMt nice cars though.
But a supra… in about 100.000 km driven on highways in two years, i’ve seen maybe one or two. Probably seen them less than a lambo.
At the beginning you said you left the Audi in Automatic mode. But you said you put the Supra in Sport. And at the end you confused the RS3 saying it was the one lacking in rear space.
I said I put the transmission in automatic mode as opposed to manual. I should have clarified that drive mode was Dynamic. It still did not like to downshift.
@@revmatchtv Owning an Audi (6th one) I understand that the Driving Modes are Dynamic, Comfort and Automatic. So when you did not specify but did say "Automatic" it might be assumed you were referring to Driving Mode.
Not sure of the DC 7 Speed, I have the 8 speed, but mine also has an additional "Sports" mode (not the traction release mode) selected by pulling the shifter lever down one notch that changes shift points and possibly turbo boost?
@@glenncurry3041 I did say “I’ve got the transmission in automatic mode” In the current gen, all the drive programming is done either on screen or you can select a mode via a physical button. Pull the paddles did nothing I could discern except shifting or moving it from manual to auto.
I would pick an Audi over a Toyota rice rocket every day, but knowing this Toyota is really a BMW, I just might pick the BMW. I don’t even know how this makes sense. My brain is fried…
RS3 about 10k more not even fully optioned out… so yea…
we need VR6 turbo not inline-5 turbo
You're comparing a coupe designed and meant for as a performance package to a small size sedan that's been beefied up to accept more power. Not really fair comparing at all and nothing really new learned from this that hasn't been said about each car. Compare the supra to rs5 coupe or ttrs and it might be more comparable for those wanting luxury performance coupes.
If you really love driving get the supra, you won't regret it.
Supra/bmw is a REAL CAR, RWD transmission. That Golf RS3 is a haldex garbage transmission "permanent fwd" and even in very limited time when it rolling awd.. is still a highly FRONT bias transmission. Doesn't matter engines as long as power is nothing without controll and SPORT road holding (rs3 is as any fwd.. strong understeering machine)
2:11 sec of movie.. first understeer tendency even WITHOUT too extreme cornering from driver.
Wider tyres on front also speaks loudly about his transmission and weight balance😂
Supra or new BMW in general has no steering feel. I had more fun in an Audi. It feels more Porsche like. Probably just because of materials, similar tech and seating position.
Audi any day, anytime. No question
I have seen the RS3 compared to the BMW M240i, which shared the same motor as the current Supra
For a daily the RS3 is tough to beat. It’s a great car. The new Supra with the manual gets my vote though.
Both are darn nice vehicles
But the Audi is not special looking not ugly just blah RS models should look more unique imo
I'm a slight bit into the video but it's irritating me that you are complaining on shift speeds/programming. Yet you are running in normal automatic mode. If you want faster/sporty shifting then put it in one of those modes. Very annoying that you create the very situation you are griping about.
I was in the most aggressive sport mode in the Audi in this video. It is still very reluctant to downshift or be in the right gear. Manual mode is the only way to fix that, and it's still hesitant to downshift.
@@revmatchtv You said RIGHT AT THE START of the drive that you are in automatic mode. Not sport. Not dynamic. Not RS. Not a manual tuned settings.
I don't think you know how to operate this car properly. I've watched probably 15 other videos on the RS, and you're the only one that has had these issues. Other test drivers have indeed said that the throttle response and the shift speeds are slower in normal daily drive settings and that's to be expected. But in any of the performance mode, they've always said it goes away.
Oh come on, why won’t Audi just give the gearbox a centre diff?
Try it in manual mode. Audi dsg destroys every competition except Porsche. People that leave it on auto should never buy a dual clutch, because you’re missing the point.
1700 ft elevation isn’t significant especially for a boosted car.
It's not, but I wanted to be transparent. The 0-60 runs were at a slightly different elevation.
The only positive on the Audi is, that it can transport 5 people instead of 2. In Terms of sporty driving the concept is for sure not as good as the Supra. Sportscars are better in doing Sportscar things. Still a fun video to watch. Not your ordinary comparison :-D
Practicality vs pure sports car.
Thats what makes the RS3 so great. Its a 4 door practical sedan that can embarrass sports cars. The supra is probably more fun to track but for a daily the RS3 is so much better
@@stefanomarcellino6701 some people don't get the Supra has serious limitations!
Comparing a brand new rs3 vs a 2020 Supra should of been a 22 or 21 atleast
Those are the cars I had access to that day. The 2020 was tuned to 2021 hp level so the main differences are driving dynamics, handling, braking. Regardless of those things, the Audi throttle response and transmission programming are no where near as good as the Supra. The 2022 Supra is very similar to the 2020 in those respects. I will get a 23 Supra when I can and repeat the comparison in the next few months.
@@revmatchtv I agree, the new suspension of the Supra is different did you have a hard time getting into the Supra? A lot of people say they hit their heads? They just might not be used to low cars
@@chillindoe2172 I’m 5’9” and have no issue, but taller people have to tilt their heads to get in.
VERY UNIQUE. What does it mean? FFS.
To anyone watching and are not aware, he is comparing a tuned Supra vs a stock RS3
Pointless if you ask me
Pontiac put wider tires on the front of the Grand Prix GTX. I think.
Audi need to stop playing and go to rear wheel drive base.
Or they can just stop dickin around and put a thicker rear sway bar to dial out a lot of the understeer that Audis are all known for 🤷♂️
@@markdafunky1 Understeer come from front heavy fwd cars. You can't dial that out.
@@blackericdenice ok
I don't trust reviews from people who use words like "recalcitrant" @3m10s.......
“recalcitrant”, umm what?🙇🏻♂️
Supra is faster . I raced my friends and gapped him in my GR Supra 3.0
audi beats it big time
Audi rs3>Bmw z4
Please not a sedan... dont ruin the RS3!!! 5cyl engine also in production on Audi RSQ3 and Cupra Formentor VZ5.
I don't follow. The RS3 has always been a 4 door. The departed TTRS is the only way to get this engine with 2 doors.
@@revmatchtv you can get this engine in 5 dr in the RS3, RSQ3 and Cupra Formentor VZ5.
@@filipepaninho6558 Not in North America
@@revmatchtv WOW weird... The Audi A3 is A Hatchback... the sedan is just a boring recent option....
Too bad the RS3 has the haldex awd and not the torsen one from the higher end models. This alone makes it a gimmiky car and not a true sports car like the Supra, you simply can't beat rwd.
Audi has done a great job with the platform. This is still and 'entry level' RS as good as it is.
This Haldex system can constantly do 0-60 under 3 seconds on winter tires........ Nothing gimmiky with that.
@@CEOLISSS sportiness isn't necessarily measured in 0-60 times, I can drop an LS engine in a gutted Lada, slap on some fat tires and you've got a ripper, but does that make it a sports car? The Audi is just a fast commuter car, nothing more until they fix the Audisteer and make an actual balanced car.
@@MrPatatu100
I was responding to your comment about Haldex being Gimmikey. The performance numbers i have outlined tells you it is not. If i misunderstood let me know.
@@MrPatatu100 Audi has revealed that its brand new RS3 has lapped the Nürburgring in 7m 40.748s, which is 4.64s faster than the Renault Megane RS Trophy R; the car previously known as The Fastest Small-Ish Car Around That Place.
you lost me at ''better to drive'' i thought you were going to say faster...
The Supra is definitely better to drive, but people have preconceived notions. of what they want to hear.
RS3 all day for me.
Supra looks awkward and has bad ergonomics. No thanks.
Can't go wrong with either.
Supra for me sorry 😞
Ya I get it lol but if you ever get a chance to ride in a rs3 you will change your mind
@@silasbradford reviewer seems to be having more fun in the supra tho 🤔
@@silasbradford off the line, rs3. On a roll, Supra
@@chamaldealwis9 I'm telling yall you have to ride in one before you make up yall mind
@@silasbradford why would I change my mind for numb steering and understeer
he like the supra more
The heart of Supra is bmw not Toyota
Me gusta los autos para mis hijos
Don't trust the B58 motor (known for oil consumption) and Supra looks fugly. Went RS3...may not be as good on a roadcourse but better street car imo and easy to tune
Rs3 just bc what iroz is doing to them lmfao
Not a fair compariment 2 different cars
Hence the series named Unfair Comparison ;)
The interior quality of the RS3 is crap. You sit in this car and scratch your head if its worth the 65k. Fun fact is that even Audi boast about using recycled materials in the cabin.
Quality wise, the Supra has a much better interior.
I think the dash is quite elegant actually, but you can tell it has A3 roots. It's not as nice as more expensive Audis, but aside from the seats, I think it does the job. I have no real complaints.
@@revmatchtv I don't comment on the design as its very subjective. It is put together well - thats without a question. I still preffer the interior look of audis, VWs and Skodas to the new plank-of-a-dash that BMW introduced lately.
Materialwise... RS3 is just cheap. Take a look at the center tunnel made of that ugly, wrinkly plastic slab and its topped with the piano-black in the worst possible place where you always scratch and fingerprint it.
The car is also stupid expensive. You may justify the price of the Supra as a one-off car that shares its components with a few cars so there is not much room for production line/process savings.
But Audi? Its a freaking A3, S3, Golf, Bora, Octavia, Fabia, Kamiq... Its all MQB platform with close to 100% of the junk you can find in 90% of the VAGs offer.
- the chassis platform,
- the chips, sensors, electronics,
- suspension and brake components,
- all buttons and switches,
- transmission
Literally everything but the 5-cyl engine is puzzled from the 90% of VAG offer.
Its pricing is just riddiculous for a car that is... nothing special.
@@EVERTOMRR nobody buys these cars and cares about the chip sensors. Look at the seats in both cars and the dash. The Audi tech and build quality SHITS on the Toyota. Its old bmw tech passed down literally already outdated all the new bmw’s have idrive8 already. People buying this car only car about the engine and the new AWD system.
@@stefanomarcellino6701 You are completely missing the point of my previous comment. If 90% of the car is the cheap stuff you see in 90% of VAG offer, then it should not cost super premium.
@@EVERTOMRR its also the same parts used in the premium vw brands. Look at the streering wheel buttons on the rs3/urus/bentayga. The MMI is the same the ac units everything
M4 all day
so BMW WIns huh
I'm going with the SUPRA all the way
Rs3 to lease and Supra if I m buying it. I had a rs6 and the maintenance was insane. Got 4 rotors and pad and it was $4700.
I would get a rs3. Great on paper but it’s feels cheap and feels like a toy as times go. It’s cool to ride but about a year into it…. It ll lose the magic