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i think most of his problems could've been resolved, part of the strategy is outside of the game. also talks and sounds like a little beach ngl. negative manliness credit score.

Personally I thought Triangle Strategy lacked charm more than anything - the art didn't grip me, the gameplay and setting were missing... I don't even know what. A special something. I did like that element of the story revolving around salt though! I thought that was a neat, actually reasonable touch that didn't come across like the usual, overblown JRPG nonsense for once. The more I think about it, I believe Squeenix's "2D-HD" artstyle just does not do it for me, is what it is - the filters and overabundance of visual effects just comes across as garish to me. Tactics Ogre meanwhile? Hoo boy. Charm oozes out of every corner of that game. Hell, the art alone would have sold me on this game. Akihiko Yoshida is right up there with Bengus and Kinu Nishimura as videogame illustrators go for me.

Honestly the only issue I had with this game was its... let's be chartitable and call it "ambitious" original price point. I'm willing to dish out _some_ amount of premium money for a prestige franchise every now and then, so long as it's within reason - I can be more or less certain that a Nintendo title is going to play like a Nintendo title, after all... except for Sticker Star, I suppose. But wih a new IP? One that also wasn't advertised very well (I had no idea Masayuki Horikawa was involved back then, for example) and seemingly had little replay value? Fuck no I'm not paying 50 bucks for that. They really shattered any chance at this being a success with that. If the high-profile devs and composers they hired really did necessitate that price point then that's just bad project planning at best. The new price point is much more reasonable though, so that's great! Actually bought it a little while ago because of that.

Anna is my favourite character in Triangle Strategy

Lex is a pretty common unit in online Coliseum. That trio of a Dark Marquess, Feathershield and Lex is so incredibly hard to break through

i like how u explain all about the system no spoiler good job very good too know ... next steam sale i know what to buy !! 👍👍

What is the game hes playing at the beginning of the video?

I don't think TS is critiqued enough in general on its own merit but on how it follow the series that inspired it & don't think that is fair to do. Less customization isn't an actual flaw, but how the game chooses implement trying out different characters & making those characters important.

Game was so easy that you didnt need good squads even on hard :(

Honestly wish the game was hard enough to require really good squads, or if pvp could be done on maps instead of cheesy colosseum comps

One of my best squads were surprisingly Rose knights with Virginia and Scarlett. I used them as a farm squad and everyone had bandit weapon and golden egg equipped. Miriam even had miser ring as well. And even with these handicaps they could one round KO even someone, who was 10 levels above them. Essential equips is purifier for Scarlett, Wyvern reins for Fran and Squire shield for Virginia to protect Fran. With fine tuned tactics they could solo almost any map, giving me massive gold income.

I found that each zone required different squads, which kept the gameplay interesting

Squad sharing, alright. Not my best squad, but what I've found to be surprisingly effective is all archer squads 2 angel, 2 elf, 1 Sniper. Snipers with mystic conferral and the the assist earrings hit really hard. It uses no uniques and beats most enemy squads while giving you a strong ranged assist. What I also like to do is have 3 Werebears that get overhealed by Featerstaffs so I can bonk enemies for 200+ damage at the end of combat. Is it good? Nope, but it sure is hilarious. For my best squad that would be Alain and his elf harem Rosalinde, Etolinde, Galadmir and Railanor. Just good ol' quick impetus elemental roar combo. Cast fairy wind boosted by mystic conferral and sorecerous connection from Railanor into elemental roar with quick impetus. Etolinde is there to cast fairy heal twice so the squad's health is always topped off. For Galerius and Baltro during the final mission, I swap out Etolinde for Berengaria and give Galadmir a Armor Shatter bow, but then it is a one round kill for both fights on true zenoiran.

My only complaints with Unicorn Overlord is the inability to save parties, and only being able to make 10. They let us save tactics setups, but not roster set ups? wtf Vanillaware? It very much discourages playing around with your setups, as you'll have to manually remember and set up any template you had to get rid of. The suggestion I usually see for the number of units issue is to only let us deploy 10, but make as many as we want. Any other fault with the game I can accept, but not those 2, to me they are horrible oversights.

Triangle strategy was so underwelming. it poses as an RPG, but it is not. The story was meh, there where no customization, every class, every skill and weapon is pre made. That means that you can not change anything into the character, justo evolve their weapons and skills through currency and exp. The RPG elements only exist to make the game look longer and more complex while make you grind, but you cant do anything. The choices in the story are a joke, you can just talk to the characters and convince them to vote as you want, so even if it has different paths, you have plenty of space for error and control. That game is an endless running of grind.

What I love about UO is unlike modern fe the freedom to customize your army feels authentic where as engage and 3 houses feels artificial. Yeah engage has done alot to help innovate the gameplay but it's not as fun to play around with different builds. Yeah the meta in UO is still cavalry for dps but the gap isn't so wide you feel like you're being punished for using infantry and hell the game even encourages you to mix your teams up and not rely on the meta.

ogre battle 64 is great. i prefer it to unicorn overlord, though i did enjoy that one too. still, my favorite tactics game is FFT for the ps1.

"Which of the two is objectively better" JFC media literacy is dead LOL

As an Ogre Battle fan yes this is precisely what we do.

I don't particularly think Lex is a great unit, but the great thing about Unicorn Overlord is that every single unit is viable. There are no bad units, and every unit can be a powerhouse if you set up the right build.

I played both and found both to be sold 7/10's. If I had to pick one over the other... I'd probably go with Triangle Strategy. While it has less options, the gameplay feels much more satisfying. They both have equally great stories. But both really started to drag as they went on IMO. Overall I enjoyed Triangle Strategy more though. Now give us a fixed/updated FFT: War of the Lions on Switch/PC dammit so we have a game with the best story and best gameplay! D:

The girl has an Apple for hair

I love Tactics Ogre... And I couldn't stand the slowness of Triangle Strategy, and the dull dialogue. The gameplay was decent enough for me to keep it mind for a second chance in the possible future. But people acting like Tactics Ogre didn't practically invent or inspire most of these games is insulting. Considering THE amount of content it had for a SNES game, much less looking the way it did back then.

A unicorn overlord comment section is stuffed with so many bad opinions like a mint twinkie. Complete negation of ranged skills is a wild ability, and when paired with a nope owl lex has a lot of value. Provoke is the only other ability besides Blind which defends frail evade tanks against true strike, in TZ lex is far less useful than other difficulty, but he has extreme value when paired with units like gryphon, berserker, werefox, werewolf, sword master. Since the buff, sword master is an absolute powerhouse that’s able to pick off any enemy which survives your row and column attacks in the first wave. They need to be defended against true strikes and parry only works on melee. The three units which have high synergy with each other offensively and defensively are Swordmaster, Sentinel, and Sainted Knight. Most flying attacks are ranged, which led blocks. The saint guards lex on magic, and the Swordmaster is guarded from magic and ranged, while they can parry melee. The remaining two slots would be for offensive units.

Wait! Second comment! Maple Story music!!! How old are you??

Nice! I'm currently playing Tactics Ogre myself. 100 hours in, and the paths make it cool. I'm actually planning to restart it. That being said, I adored the demo for Triangle. I love that HD 2.5 look, and they have mounts like in Fire Emblem. I was really engaged with your video and I immediately understood your issue with Tactics Ogre. I'm old (39) and I played Knights of Lodis once or twice as a kid, but I fell in LOVE w/ Final Fantasy Tactics (1997) For us, the map is a badge of honor. Mostly because it starts with just Mandalia Plains and one other spot. The world opens UP and I think it gently introduces you to a larger world. Where I'll agree for sure is that most places are only used once so they feel extraneous. Now I'm gonna see if I can buy Triangle because you moved it up my list by a ton! Great video homie. Subscribed af

Personally, I don't think there are any bad classes.

.... I left Lex in a squad the whole game with kitra, berenice, leah and Celeste, and I am right now at Galerius doorstep. No fucking idea on how to do a team comp min max. I just felt it was a well balanced team that could do some of the lifting.

Both kick ass. Tactics Ogre law path is my favorite story in gaming.

For me the reason i think lex is bad is just hes outclassed by colm i find mostly due to his lack of usefulness in early cornia but hes DEFINITLY not the unsalvagable meas people think

Great video I was laughing the whole time fr keep it up!

Like your vids

I freaking loved this video. Well done!!

I really, really liked triangle strategy. the story starts slow, but is one of the best ones I've experienced in quite a while, about something that is very different than your usual JRPG fantasy setting. it also has a banger soundtrack. tactics ogre I wanted to love, but as you said, it falls off after a while and is a bit of a struggle to get into. but the story still seems quite good and the branching arcs are quite interesting. I'll certainly give it another go eventually.

I never played TS but I really enjoy the depth of TO. I don't think there's a more customizable trpg/srpg. Maybe Front Mission, which has even slower battles and even more equipment slots to each character.

I must admit the nostalgia factor with tactics orgre is huge for me, it (along with pokemon) was the whole reason I even got into turn based game's, the entire genre of srpgs wouldn't be the same without it and I think allot of people who never played or even heard of the game don't truly understand the legacy of tactics ogre and impact and influence its had on the genre, triangle strategy was pretty enjoyable and I dont understand the hate, I myself often fall into the trap of comparing every srpg to tactics ogre but that's because it has a pretty big legacy, both good games which a very far apart on the timeline its kind of hard to compare them because you could agrue that with tactics orgre triangle strategy wouldn't exist.

11:24 In Tactics Ogre if a character is knocked into a pit then you lose that character permanently! No chance to revive them. I hated this so much. It made me be very careful with positioning my units, even to this day.

Corvie Indo: Your game is shit, and i can prove it mathematically.

Tactic Ogre is very intense and I love the story, my biggest issue with it is actually that i can't tell what tiles you are able to move through with which units.

For me it was TOR. I like the depth of the combat system. Including friendly fire and ability to heal enemies. TS was good too but more of a Need for Speed to TOR's Gran Turismo

I loved triangle strategy. New game +, hard mode, deathless run was so delightfully challenging

Yeah that dude was cringe asf. Good vid man

thanks for this! since i be busy with work and didnt have time to play 3 more routes, i made sure to get the golden ending on my first playthru . You summarized everything excellently

After finishing Final Fantasy Tactics, I got to know about Tactics Ogre, I give it a try multiple times but I always get overwhelmed and never finished it

what game was that in the beginning?

lol jergens

triangle starts u be playing chess meanwhile with TO u playing was sim

This man threw up two spicy chicken sandwiches and thought it a good idea to try a third.

Solid commentary vid that's edited very well, looking forward to more.

think your video would also greatly benefit from you tackling tactic ogre's history since its first release :) not to make you compare TS to TO's three (4???nah must be three..) distinct releases, but so viewers can more easily understand the let's say roughness of it. I'd also recommendyou to play person of lordly caliber if you haven't !! rough as well, but plenty fun and unicorn overlord's grand daddy (although i'm pretty sure in UO's case, the grognards claiming superiority of the older game will be far fewer...uo's just that good !!! ohhh i stand corrected xD) oh and symphony of war ! also meant to be a ogre battle 64 hommage, very good indie, standard (subpar?) story but the gameplay is neaaaaaaat