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Just your everyday guitar gear enthusiast.
OD GUITARS ARE BUILT DIFFERENT...(FULL LUTHIER BUILD PROCESS)
Today at Top Shelf Gear we take a deep dive into the full build process for this OD Venus guitar. This is truly a very special instrument, by far my favorite in my collection. Huge thanks to Omer Deutsch for providing me with these photo galleries. Would highly recommend OD guitars if you are ready to make your dream guitar a reality!
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BUILDING A KIESEL GUITAR INSPIRED BY SNORLAX...
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AVOID THESE FAKE DIMEBAG GUITAR SCAMS LIKE THE PLAGUE...
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WHY SAM ASH MUSIC WILL FAIL ONLINE...
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KIESEL GUITARS "OPTION 50"...WORTH THE RISK?
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PRS S2 SERIES...DON'T MAKE THESE MISTAKES...
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MAYONES GUITARS MAY SOON BE PERFECT BECAUSE OF THIS...
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SCAMMERS HARVESTING PARTS OFF USED GUITARS AND RETURNING THEM...
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ORMSBY GUITAR'S ARE NOW PERFECT...
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THESE IBANEZ HEADLESS GUITARS HAVE ME SO CONFUSED...
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Today we take a look at the strange headless design from Ibanez guitars. Check out my Discord server discord.com/invite/asMFhe2nCK Subscribe for more!
CERBERUS GUITARS COULD BE PERFECT IF IT WASN'T FOR THIS...
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CERBERUS GUITARS COULD BE PERFECT IF IT WASN'T FOR THIS...
THE TRUTH ABOUT KIESEL GUITARS RESALE VALUE...
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THE TRUTH ABOUT KIESEL GUITARS RESALE VALUE...
THIS MUSIC MAN WAS IMPRESSIVE, BUT NOT FOR EVERYONE...
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THIS MUSIC MAN WAS IMPRESSIVE, BUT NOT FOR EVERYONE...
CHAPMAN GUITARS DIDN'T WORK FOR ME...(WHY I GAVE UP ON THE BRAND)
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CHAPMAN GUITARS DIDN'T WORK FOR ME...(WHY I GAVE UP ON THE BRAND)
ORMSBY GUITARS DIDN'T WORK FOR ME... (WHY I SOLD BOTH OF THEM)
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ORMSBY GUITARS DIDN'T WORK FOR ME... (WHY I SOLD BOTH OF THEM)
YOU MAY NOT LIKE THE FENDER STRAT, BUT YOU NEED ONE (HERE'S WHY)
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YOU MAY NOT LIKE THE FENDER STRAT, BUT YOU NEED ONE (HERE'S WHY)
LAST VISIT TO SAM ASH MUSIC BEFORE THEY CLOSE...(HORRIBLE EXPERIENCE)
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LAST VISIT TO SAM ASH MUSIC BEFORE THEY CLOSE...(HORRIBLE EXPERIENCE)
RETAIL WORKER EXPLAINS HOW TO RUN A GUITAR STORE (YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT)
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RETAIL WORKER EXPLAINS HOW TO RUN A GUITAR STORE (YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT)
GUITAR CENTER MAY BE DONE FOR IF THEY DON'T FIX THESE PROBLEMS...
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GUITAR CENTER MAY BE DONE FOR IF THEY DON'T FIX THESE PROBLEMS...
SAM ASH CLOSING ALL STORES // RETAIL RANT & STORY TIME
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SAM ASH CLOSING ALL STORES // RETAIL RANT & STORY TIME
MAYONES GUITARS DIDN'T WORK FOR ME...(WHY I SOLD ALL 3 OF THEM)
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MAYONES GUITARS DIDN'T WORK FOR ME...(WHY I SOLD ALL 3 OF THEM)
TRY THESE SECRET EXOTIC WOODS FROM KIESEL GUITARS...
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TRY THESE SECRET EXOTIC WOODS FROM KIESEL GUITARS...
WHY DON'T WE HAVE MORE BARITONE GUITARS?
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WHY DON'T WE HAVE MORE BARITONE GUITARS?
AVOID THESE MISTAKES WHEN SELLING GEAR ON REVERB...
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AVOID THESE MISTAKES WHEN SELLING GEAR ON REVERB...
USE THIS SECRET HACK TO SAVE MONEY ON GUITAR GEAR...
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USE THIS SECRET HACK TO SAVE MONEY ON GUITAR GEAR...
BUYING A $5,000 OD VENUS GUITAR OFF FACEBOOK MARKETPLACE...
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BUYING A $5,000 OD VENUS GUITAR OFF FACEBOOK MARKETPLACE...
AVOID THESE MISTAKES WHEN ORDERING KIESEL GUITARS...
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AVOID THESE MISTAKES WHEN ORDERING KIESEL GUITARS...
MY $3,500 DREAM KIESEL BUILD HAS ARRIVED AND IT'S GORGEOUS!
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MY $3,500 DREAM KIESEL BUILD HAS ARRIVED AND IT'S GORGEOUS!
Im buying a replica dime and I DONT GIVE A F00K. not spending 2-3 months worth of house rent on a piece of wood (I'm buying a dime guitar without the head stock logos)
Plus I was born in 2007. Wasn't even alive to see dime lol therefore I'll never be able to afford a real washburn because the prices will only sky rocket from here
And just a side note. I'LL NEVER CLAIM THAT THE GUITAR IS REAL
I feel you on that bro, 💯 totally understand. I was too young to have seen dime myself and I'm over 10 years older than you lol
Sick finish!
Thanks! It was well worth the 28 week wait lol
These are good tips, but the best tip is to buy these high quality guitars used. I have a couple of real beauties, but I bought them at a steep discount as known quantities, and with only a few days wait. The website Kiesel uses is all about drawing you to create a massively customized guitar, which I admit is mesmerizing and fun, but the price adds up quickly, and these aren't cheap even with just a couple of cheap optional add ons, and they advertise a warranty, but are known to deny otherwise legitimate warranty claims where the guitar would be required to be replace by the weasel clause logic that "you added too many custom options, so the guitar is too specific to you for us to be able to resell it. That isn't remotely true, of course, because they don't have options that would make an unappealing guitar; they just don't want to take a loss. They do make amazing guitars, and I highly recommend them, but again, used only; who needs the aggravation of dealing with a guy who screams at you on publicly posted videos for making a reasonable request that they replace the ugly ass neck they sold you; no company is so perfect they are above making mistakes, but some are run by children who would rather go to war against a loyal customer than allow the person to win in a small dispute that would have cost the company a tiny portion of the lifetime value he has already proven to represent to them. It's unforgiveable from the point of view of players who have plenty of great options, and don't need to put up with abuse.
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Guitar center needs to train there employees better on spotting fakes. As for buying the replicas for your personal collection I think that’s fine but you should never sell it.
Yup the aesthetics of the S2 is pretty bad and yes looks count. I may buy one if I see one that looks great and is reasonable weight and rings acoustically. No way would I order one blindly. Let the ugly ones hang at the dealers until they price them accordingly. Here in Canada they are just over $3000.
Yeah I mean I'm all for the bevel it does help with comfort but the tops are just not acceptable at this price range. Look at the flame top I just posted on my last kiesel video with the A2. Not even close.
I feel like it's only awkward at first coming from standard scale, all it takes is to drop the elbow and let the natural fan of the hand do the job
For general multi scale use absolutely no problem. Just noting the 2" fan difference is quite extreme compared to most other brands.
My experience with two indonesian ones is that they are hands down fantastic. I could of just been lucky but both left amd right handed ones I tried were amazing fret jobs. Pickups fantastic too lovely matt (not glossy) neck feel liek super super smooth and the dark wood (not sure if its rosewood) looked amazing too
Glad they worked for you 👍
@TopShelfGear thanks man. Hopefully you might have some more luck in the future :)
1000$ for a piss colour guitar
Lmaoooo best looking piss I've ever seen 😂
Tbh, the black limba doesnt feel that heavy. I have a DC that's full black limba. It's chambered, of course, but doesnt feel much heavier, if at all, than some of my ibanez guitars. If you truly want to go lightweight, yeah i wouldnt get black limba, but if youre considering black limba, i wouldnt worry so much about weight. It's not that bad.
Sometimes too it seems like when you have a heavier wood on a really small body example like this Osiris it just feels more "dense" IDK if that makes sense but worth mentioning. Yeah it's sorta hit and miss with BL wood. I know Jeff has mentioned on live q&a BL can have quite a bit of weight variation.
Builders showing process is such a good idea idk why more custom shops don’t do this. Lovely guitar btw
@lebarak69 thank you! Agreed would love to see more behind the scenes from builders
I did an opt50 build when they were still Carvin, a DC145 which is normally a HSH configuration but with the middle pickup deleted. This was the way to get a HH guitar with a 5way switch back in the day. Also got the "forbidden" reversed Holdsworth headstock which they will not do anymore because apparently musicman gets all uppity about other brands using a 4x2 headstock.
Absolutely stunning guitar! I wish more companies would provide progress pics like this!
Thanks Justin! Yeah its so cool to see step by step photos of the build process! Agreed, at the higher boutique price range it would be good to see more brands take it to this level. Would be tough to keep up with I suppose for bigger brands producing a larger quantity of guitars, but even a few photos would be great to have. 😀
You should try the latest - Chapman ML1 Pro Modern.
Ok... First, the obvious question that everyone is thinking would be Why in the hell would you buy 4 guitars if youve just gotten through sending the others back? Next. On the one you said didnt fit your idea of modern, did you not see the pictures? And finally, the neck heavy baritone. Its a baritone. Being neck heavy is a common problem. All depends on if the body of the guitar is made with heavy woods and of course the neck wood. Not a Chapman issue. You didnt do your homework before ordering it. As for the production inconsistencies go. Chapman just joined with Trev Wilkerson and has moved all production to one of the best companies outside of the US or Japan. HMI in India is the new home for Chapman. They have a long history with many great names. Fender / Squier and Dean being a couple of them. As for my experience, my Black ML1 Pro Mod plays & sounds amazing. The Seymour Duncan Sentient & Pegasus Humbuckers give amazing clarity with some really ballsy gain. And then theres Hipshot Tuners. Its not a $3000 Les Paul AAA Standard but its a helluva lot more than the $900 I have in it.
Some will say it's my fault for trying 4 different models of the same brand. Can you imagine if I only tried one model before posting a video? Would be even more folks throwing a tantrum in the comments section saying "I wasn't fair with the brand" or "I didn't give them a chance". Yeah, I'd say for sure that standard series "modern" ML-1 didn't feel like a modern players guitar. The extra chunky neck was something I'd expect to see on a more traditional style S shape guitar. Not so much for the modern player. Not all websites & listings post exact neck dimensions. Keep in mind to in these lower end import models you can have less consistency with spec accuracy. You could have one worker sand much more or less on a neck. Same can be said for the OG ML-1 that was 9.5 lbs. These are not things one can tell by a photo or "homework" as you say. WM Korea made models have been very consistent in my experience, I was crystal clear on that. The Indonesian made standard series was a QC mess. The fact that the series was discontinued and they stopped using that factory proves my point. Yeah we'll see how it goes with the newer Indian made series. I can only hope for the best. I'll say as well I have always enjoyed Rob's channel, his bands, his music etc. Absolutely nothing against the guy at all. I would definitely consider trying again assuming we were seeing some newer models hit the market with significant improvements.
avoid buying anything with some stupid figured wood or a K series. Youll get assraped by Jeff, the "man."
What about all the people enjoying their kiesel guitars? Is there something wrong with getting an upgraded top wood or finish? Trying to understand what the issue is...
@@TopShelfGear I had a carvin and a kiesel. really didnt want to sell the carvin but i was out of work and needed the shekels. I wasnt really connected enough to the kiesel. I liked it but it just wasnt "it." And fyi, my friend is the first Japanese Kiesel Endorser. Dunno why they removed him from the website but he loves his kiesels. The problem is a K series is an option 50, meaning if Jeff fucks your guitar up, no recourse for getting it fixed. Pay 5-6k for a guitar with pretty wood, meh. I like Flame maple but i dont need some special super figuring on it. Thats just stupid.
Yeah so I think the misunderstanding is buying option 50 means no warranty/responsibility to build the guitar accurately to order. Just had this conversation with my sales rep a few days ago when ordering a no return Zeus model. It was reiterated to me If they install the wrong neck wood etc, your covered under warranty. Just throwing around loose comments of "Oh I got r@p3d by Jeff", that's pretty ignorant tbh. Also not understanding why you would be opposed to having the option to upgrade to a nicer top wood. Kiesel has some of the best tops around. The 5A flame maple I just received is by far one of the nicest tops I've seen. Often times they are much nicer than other high end boutique guitar brands. I mean have you seen some of the pitiful tops on Gibsons? I'll rest my case.
Update: I actually decided to upgrade to a one piece Swamp ash body instead of the default 2 piece. This does result in a nicer more consistent look especially on a raw tone finish. Called in to place order right after this video 😀 note that the free metallic finish promo wouldn't apply on the builder for 1 piece body so good example of why calling the guys helps!
You sound like you're just poo pooing them from the start. This is new ground for them. New ownership and platform. How about buying something from them before you reviewing them?
Why should we buy from them is the question? Where is the added value by going sam ash vs the competition? Do we even see the products/brands we're looking for? If we buy something who's to say they'll still be in business in 6 months or a year? These are the challenging questions we have to consider before spending our hard earned money.
It's a price point thing...the new range is clearly way better
The new range made in India? .... hmmmm we'll see about that
Hey brotha, side note but just a heads up; if you’re on a windows computer, you can screen record without needing additional software. The snipping tool on Windows 11 (and 10 I believe) has video capabilities, and can capture your mic as well if it’s set to the input on your PC. But I’d probably recommend to record the audio separately on top so you can obviously do any post processing if needed. Cool build dude, I think a crazy Charizard flame top build might be neat as a theme.
Appreciate the heads up! Will try that out for future videos 👍 love the Charizard idea 💡 I have actually drafted that up myself..magma orange metallic raw tone with roasted flame maple board 😀
All my Kiesels are "Option 50"! After 30+ Kiesels, no regrets 🤘
Option 50 is the way! 😀 thanks for watching Joe
Damn, that A2 is badass!! My Option 50 build is my Neck-thru Aries Multiscale 7 with Aquaburst on a mastergrade Maple Burl top and a custom blue-to-natural KTB on Flamed Maple. I'm ecstatic about the way it came out. Could not be happier.
Yeah, resale seems like a funny thing to worry about. My guitars are going to the grave with me.
Yeah, never see that money back gotta get what you want 🙂
You should play one 1st! And then post your opinion.
Wasn't an issue of playability necessarily. Noting issue of conflicting specs between 6 & 7 models.
For anyone who doesn’t know, Musicians Friend is owned by GC hence the really, really “stupid” deals. 😂
They're just the most random odd ball items 😂
How about the dude on reverb selling 10 Washburn dimes all over 2k
just saw that lol he's got like a dozed dime slimes lol Not scalping as bad as some sellers I've seen
Yeah he had one listed as a 1992 lol
Get that $99 bass for Jason and force him to use it live😂😂
yes!!! LOL
Commenting because you have a great channel. Oh and thanks for the sweet deals!
Thanks for the kind words! Glad you're digging the content.
if they are being upfront about it being a copy, I really dont care. Not that Id be able to get any real or fake ones because I'm left handed.
I get what you mean. I just personally can't support the producing and selling of counterfeit guitars man.
Unfortunately, crooks are going to be where the money's at. There are so many fakes out there that you almost can't buy anything used without questioning it. Buyers be ware.
Yep, sad there are so many low life's out there peddling fake guitars. Scams are just getting worse and worse it seeems :(
Still own the dime bolt I bought in the late 90’s and was shocked to see what they go for on reverb. The quality of the guitar was never great. Wonder how people spot the knock off since I paid about $799 if I remember correctly. Like picking one up now after 30 years of playing I would think it’s a knock off LOL
Yeah man glad you managed to grab one from back in the day! Absolutely agree, in all honesty they are simply 30 year old basic import made guitars. Not saying anything wrong with import made in general, but the idea of people buying outrageously over priced beat up old wash burns is just ridiculous. If you're gonna drop 3-5k on a guitar why not get something more high end custom?
@ agree 100%. If it’s just a nostalgia wall hanger you might as well just get a $300 dollar “chibson” style version. Every guitar I have 1k and above is a far superior guitar.
who is gonna afford to buy?
Why pay 3-5 grand for a poor condition 30 year old guitar made overseas? I'd rather see someone else go to a reputable builder at that prince range and get a boutique level custom guitar that is not a counterfeit knock off with false branding.
Im about to order a primal concrete sledge ML from one bilder in china , why the fuck should i give 5-15k for a overpriced guitar that some guy bought for the fraction of the price . I wanted this guitar and im gonna get it , i dobt care if its fake im not trying to sell it as a original i just wannt a sledge ML and they can make my dream guitar come true
I hear where your coming from man. I get we all want what we can't have. I'd never advise anyone to overpay for some 30 year old beat up import made guitar. That would just be silly. I'm just making a point that overseas builders profiting off counterfeit guitars is not right. Especially since they are falsifying real brand names along with a deceased musicians name on them.
Take a shot every time he says "guys" :D
The same thing can be said for Kurt Cobain. Not so much for counterfeit guitars but any gear he’s associated with. Take his signature Mustang and Jaguar Fender did a few years ago. I remember when the Mustangs first came out they were only $999 and now over the years people have been selling them on Reverb from $2k up $4k
The Dime tax and Cobain tax is real and honestly kinda sad and disappointing to me
@jakeellman7447 yeah that's definitely a bummer as well. we obviously can't speak for these passed artists but I feel like most musicians wouldn't want people scalping gear in their names...
The same thing can be said for Kurt Cobain. Not so much for counterfeit guitars but any gear he’s associated with. Take his signature Mustang and Jaguar Fender did a few years ago. I remember when the Mustangs first came out they were only $999 and now over the years people have been selling them on Reverb from $2k up $4k
7 Kiesels in, totally agree , great info for the Kiesel newbie. Would also mention that most of the colors are much darker than they seem on the builder. I once ordered a Holdsworth with swamp ash and the "transparent" sapphire blue, it was so dark as to be almost black, couldn't see the grain at all unless you shined a flashlight on it. Sent it back. (and they don't pay for the shipping to return )
Well said! Yep that is true. I always felt that satin aqua burst I had with the black edges was way too dark. The new A2 in venom I just got in gloss came out so well though! I learned a lot myself from past builds haha
Can u copyright a bolt of lightning. Or a shade of green .real question. I don't know
The issue is not a specific shade of green or having some lightning bolt graphic... the issue is overseas builders producing counterfeit replicas falsely representing real brand names such as Dean and Washburn. To make matters worse, they are profiting off the name of a deceased musician putting his name on the headstock. Very disrespectful to the legacy of Dime IMO. I have no issues with anyone doing a "dime inspired build" maybe his signature pickups, maybe a similar color scheme etc. But direct counterfeit brand signature guitars are a problem for me.
That is one bad ass looking guitar!!!!
Thanks man! Yeah this one really is a stunner! Venom finish is probably most under rated Jeff finish lol
I paid extra for a Buckeye Burl A7 Master Top. Was a bit skeptical like paying for 'hot wax' at the car wash just to see the light turn on. Have to say that Jeff's pick was absolutely gorgeous and do not regret the extra bump in price.
Yeah that's gotta be an incredible top! Sometimes you gotta go all out!
glad someone's talking about it brotherman, the unfortunate bit is that far too many people don't care about disrespecting dime with this counterfeit junk. it's a pity
thanks for watching...Yeah it really is sad to see this happening. Even worse seeing fake guitars end up in retail stores :(
They've been doing this a while
It's unfortunate.. sad retailers are letting fakes slip through...
Your A2 looks awesome man. One day, when I can justify it to myself, I'll get a mastergrade top with a sick finish. Probably on the original Aries model. 9:13 Yikes, that fretboard should never have been made, IMO. Who would want that?
Thanks man! yea I am really impressed with the A2. By far the most ergonomic guitar with a headstock I've ever had lol Yeah.. that PME.. no thanks...:(
Would a Malibu stain with poplar burl and translucent black burst edges come out ok?
I want to say I heard those can come out a little dark... there was a live stream someone asked a similar question...hmmm idk about that one.
I guess I am trying to go for a dark look. I don’t think it’s a problem for me since I’m not trying to get it to pop out. Thanks for the reply!
@@TylerShepShreds Yeah I mean if you want that darker look by all means go for it. If you want it to pop a little more do a gloss finish. Raw tone poplar burl is nice but with that blue stain I suspect it would be rather dark. I think my favorite finishes on poplar would be either reverse monster burst or fire finish 🔥
I requested a natural (umber) to purple burst option 50, I sent a photo. They did a great job; matched it very well. I posted it on their forum...started seeing other similar finishes on there. Sometimes you manifest well.
Glad you're happy with it! Sound really unique 🙂
In a sense, all current Kiesels will have horrible resale value because of their dated designs. Eventually, the cheap formica top phase of guitar finishes will go away and you'll be sitting with a bunch if stuff nobody is interested.
I really don't think its a styling or dated design issue. If anything Kiesels are generally very modern and ergonomic. They have some of the deepest front and back body bevels/contours so they have been leading the way as modern brand. I've even started to see some other larger brand emulate the bevels. It's the fact that people don't want to buy a semi custom second hand guitar when they could just put that money into a build of their own and get exactly the specs they want.
Now they build them in India. No thanks… it absolutely does matter where the guitar is made.
Yeah that's a red flag to me
That Venom finish is chefs kiss.
Thank you! So happy with it
Man I guess I’m not one of those guys all I care about is how it sound an how it plays
Can respect that for sure man
I was like that for years, and still am to an extent. But when your great sounding, great playing guitars can be visual stunners, that's cool too.
I wish Keisel would offer veneers on some models as a cheaper alternative to a top which requires certain woods making the guitars more expensive.
I think that would really cheapen the brand tbh. Veneers just aren't appropriate at the USA custom shop level of guitar.