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great content bro keep it coming! You have potenial

So many reality warpers and self resurrectors would doom him

Current Thor alone absorbs gokus energy and spanks him in a 1v1 in all stats.

Could Goku Escape? 😎

Piccolo says vegeta is stronger, you are wrong.

but Goku can't use that technique unless there's someone he can lock on to

Nah, Manga Goku even with ToP still negs the anime. 1. Goku did absorb the God form in the Manga version, while it’s true we don’t see it, it’s heavily implied the Manga at the time was only there to promote the Movie Version of Battle of Gods, an editors note even said the manga won’t show everything and for context, watch the movie where Goku does absorb God, meaning he did in the manga too. 2. assuming Hit in the manga isn’t equal to his anime counterpart is pretty disingenuous with nothing contradicting it, if anything it just upscales Manga Goku. 3. As for the Goku Black Arc, The Anime only had one massive amp and a small one while the manga has 2 large amps. Once one Vegeta went from being stalemated by SSJ Goku Black in SSJB to only needed God-Blue switch to destroy Goku Black in Rosé, the other when Goku got a fusion level amp from perfecting Blue. “Vegito >>>> Zamasu in the manga” nope, Fussd Zamasu wasn’t corrupting in the manga until he fought Perfected SSJB Goku meaning he did infact get a fusion level amp. 4. As for the Tournament of Power, Jiren was overpowering Goku in the anime too and the latter had a rage boost that kinda unstablized UI and almost destroyed Goku’s Body. Remember, Manga UI Goku lasted longer than his anime counterpart against Jiren, Manga Goku lost because Jiren adapted while it’s implied Anime Goku lost to either the rage amp destabilizing UI because it’s ineffective, or because of timing but since he lasted shorter than his Manga counterpart, I think it’s the former. So before even the Moro Arc, Manga Goku negs his Anime Counterpart, cope.

You forgot to take into account that Goku might've gotten a zenkai boost from nearly dying. I can't really answer whether damage from a disease is the same thing as battle damage, but Goku definitely took enough damage from 19 to qualify. Even if it was a smaller boost, it would probably be enough to close the gap with Vegeta, which he likely would sense when Goku rolled up after the 18 fight, so that's another reason for him to stay relatively respectful.

If you mean Beerus slams, sure, but Vegito Blue even in the manga is no where near Beerus’ level.

do you need shenron to wish gokus shlong out of your throat? it might be stuck.

I feel it would have been close. Goku was already starting to feel the effects of the virus before they even started fighting and I'll bet it was even earlier than that so Goku was already weaker before the fight even started. At one point Piccolo points out Goku's technique is sloppy and that if he were at full power he could have beaten 19 long before that point. This implies Goku could have beaten 19 as easily as Vegeta if he were able to get to full power. The fact Piccolo after seeing both SSJ Goku and Vegeta fight wasn't 100% about Vegeta being stronger shows they were probably pretty even. Also Vegeta was fairly close to 18 in power. She did still have a good edge but another huge factor was her infinite stamina

Was speed really a theme of the whole android arc? I only remember it playing a role in that one fight

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anime is stronger becouse they overly hype up feats to make it more exiting for the viewer

Are you trying to say Goku's speed without Instant Transmission was greater than Vegeta's? I think it was implied Goku used the Instant Transmission to get out of there and save his friends. Cell even says as much: "He's gone! What a strange technique! When did he learn that?" In other words, I don't think Goku's base speed was actually superior to Vegeta's, and I think most likely Vegeta really was stronger than Goku in that moment.

the ssg absorbed to base is clearly false and explained that it was just remnants of ssg. Base goku is not greater than ssg goku, if ssg was truly absorbed by goku then his ki in base wouldn't be detectable by any of the z fighters. Another point is that if he truly absorbed ssg in his base then it shouldn't have been possible for him to be injured by a bullet lol. i agree with the black arc tho, ssbk 20 does look stronger than mastered ssb but the problem is that mastered ssb is more focused on fighting at full efficiency without sacrificing too much. It's literally a comparison between perfected ssj vs ssj kaioken. Merged zamasu in anime is easily stronger than the manga version which is fine but i actually prefer the narative plot that black was actually not that strong because him stealing that body shouldn't have given him equal power/fighting experience as goku and vegeta whom trained their whole life to be strong. Vegito's power portrayal in the manga also makes a lot more sense than the anime, base vegito seemingly evaporating half of zamasu with a beam because vegito is a multiplication of their strength not just additive but immediately defusing after going ssb and charging all his power in kamehameha because it was too strong. a lot of the anime filler arc can't really be used as proof, like we literally have roshi throwing hands with goku lmao. if we are talking about who is stronger in their current versions (w/o mui) then manga easily clears because he can use omen with all his forms.

idk goku never used instant transmission like that in battle

Goku will Slap Gojo boom nuke explosion the end

Goku who'd Winn because gojo is a KitKat and don't have DragonBalls to be brought back to live

Super Vegeta was stronger in the Cell Saga over Goku!Gokus training was more focused on Gohan’s training

It’s crazy how a single line or a concept “ absorbed into base” can absolutely make power scaling go bonkers by adding such a crazy multiplier into the first number in the equation without transformation

Yes anime goku is strong bec he absorbed the god form and in his base he can earse the multiverse and he can multiply that base with all of his form multiplier but the problem is we dont know ssj god and blues multiplier it can be 500 to thousands and in anime he reached mui that multiplier is also not known 😂

Like obviously it’s not close. One is literally ahead of the other…

Can he beat chiatozu though

Arc by arc Anime version is way stronger.

kid buu is states to be weaker than buuhan, he’s just more dangerous

Aight this videos about to be extremely wrong or right depending on if it agrees with my opinion or not

The biggest problem with saying that Vegito Blue surpasses Beerus is that its really inconsistent. The anime and manga are closely tied together so while they may be different in some ways they aren't drastically different stories as they follow the same events by the end. Shin doesn't know what he's talking about sometimes. In the Buu Saga he thought the Saiyans would have trouble with Babadi's henchmen and then with Dabura he is surprised by how strong they are. But he was correct with Buu. In the anime he doesn't even know what Ultra Instinct is and in said anime states Jiren is above anyone they've ever faced including Vegito Blue and Infinite Zamasu. I know this is the anime scaling but the manga is not completely different as they relatively follow similar events. Hell Goku in the TOP becomes far stronger than Vegito Blue thanks to the amount of zenkai's he got pushing Jiren harder than Belmod has seen in a long time and his attacks outright being stated by Goku to be the strongest thing he's ever felt including the attack that would have killed Goku if it had hit him in Ultra Instinct Omen phase 2 trigger because it barely scrapped him so he knows how powerful that attack is. The point I'm trying to make is that if we took Shin's statement at face value it just wouldn't make any sense because Goku gets ridiculously stronger through every arc and if Black Frieza is still not stronger than Beerus it just means that Shin didn't know how strong Beerus actually is considering in Battle of Gods Elder Kai thought Beerus was using his full power and was doing pretty good. So it just means that either its been retconned or that Shin didn't know which is entirely possible because Elder Kai knowing Beerus longer didn't know how strong Beerus was so why would Shin it just wouldn't make sense.

🖕🏾 Gohan overrated ahh

This Is A Manga Goku That Stops Where The Anime Did

I don’t think neither of us thought it was close except for the ppl first anime was JJK or ppl that glaze JJK in general

Bruh your pacing is immaculate and your editing is really good

Well one thing I know for sure is that ssj vegeta wasn’t anywhere near as strong as ultimate gohan. According to dbz fans, goku surpassed gohan in ssj by his fate in buu’s body against his clone

I Agree sir

Ultimate Gohan shreds the entire non-fused verse pre-super.

I don’t think goku would use instant transmission to wear out Vegeta like that and most likely fight fairly. In the buu saga he didn’t do that and didn’t transform into super sayain 3 to honor their fight. But I see what you mean, if he utilized all his moves fighting like instant transmission and kaioken Vegeta is done.

Bro forgot Toriyama died

yep. You used more braincells than toriyama did in his entire life. He absolutely hated using his brain, hence the lack of consistency. In his head, 1>3>2. Sometimes it makes sense, sometimes it makes no sense. The absolute arrogance and stupidity of the so-called "genius" fighter vegeta, to crush the potara. Why not save it for someone else? "muh pride"? Why not teleport gohan to deal with kid buu then? Why save satan and dende instead of literally anyone else? Because muh plot and muh satan comic relief character. Goku and vegeta knew how small frieza was and how powerful he was. Vegeta was a midget for 2-3 decades. This "our opponent is small so he is weak, I am going to ignore sensing power levels" is krillin level of stupdiity, he commented that when frieza went final form. That's how DBZ is, low IQ garbage a lot of the time. ssj2 vegeta < fat buu < ssj3 goku < ssj gotenks < super buu < gotenks ssj3 < mystic gohan < gotenks buu < gohan buu < vegeto only because that's how dbz ALWAYS works. "muh new opponent has to be exactly 1 level above the previous opponent". So where do you put kid buu? Only one level higher than ssj3 goku because that's what we have. It's possible super buu > kid buu because apparently he was getting weaker from absorbing kai trash, this was very clear with super buu being stronger than fat buu. But fat buu absorbed the grand kai whatever, so wouldn't he be stronger? Nope.

Crazy

SSJ 3 is the worst form of all. In comparison, it simply requires too much energy and the output is too small. In other words: the price-performance ratio doesn't fit.

Oh cool… My favorite character vs my other favorite character :) I wonder who wins.

picollo saga goku probably beats gojo, dragon ball power levels are just way to strong for other animes

Goku had infinite speed in the end of buu saga, idk why youre not starting from there. However if you can't accept that then the earliest display of infinite or immeasurable speed is him facing time skip where he's literally stated to skip into the future

I mean, Vegito blue was said to possibly surpass Beerus by supreme kai. Then v-jump straight up confirmed that Vegito Blue was as strong as Beerus. So yeah, in manga he was Beerus level of power. I will say though due to time limit he probably loses still. If there was no time limit though hed have a serious arguemnt for winning due to kaoiken being in his back pocket.

Fun fact: Since Gojo's infinity operates in the same logistical state as the runner and the tortoise paradox (B = A0.5) then instant transmission can go through infinity, also meaning, since Gojo is scaled to a max of city block level (200% hollow purple) then any dragon ball character with the power of instant transmission can beat Gojo with no difficulty meaning META-COOLER from dragon ball z movie 'Return of Cooler' is canonically able to solo the jjk verse no dif.

No Beerus is still stronger matter of fact Dragon Ball franchise hasn't even scratched upto 1 percent of the true power of Gods of Destruction.

Why are you even doing this?GOKU literally made a whole galaxy while powering up,and Gojo only destroyed 80% of a city

dont forget if all else fails goku can just destroy the planet by powering up. (edit: Probably)

goku speed blitzs gojo i dont even need to watch the video to make sure

Its pretty obvious gohan was stronger than gohan and why vegeta was pissed because tohan beats kid buu mid difficulty