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@@renancampos7947 that pair of gloves ain't bad but FoF helps a lot vs bosses as we get to stagger faster, as well as able to utilize Frigid Finesse much better. If you're keeping the gloves, amulet passive preference probably would be WM, and then Malice What Paragon have you reached and what level are your Glyphs? 88 is quite decent, I should say

@@pichapao5337 im paragon 265 and Pride/Chip lvl 93 the other glyphs 90, yeah i'm doing well just struggling with masterwork xD thanks for the answer and the build as always!

Crit Damage does not add anything to the build. Only builds revolving around Precision key passive would have any benefits from stacking Crit Damage. Even then, I think all builds are stacking %Damage per Dark Shroud Shadow to further boost dps.

@@pichapao5337 why not use both dmg sources ? I made a simillar build today wich uses a bit of all, crit dmg - dmg per shroud - dmg at vulnerables 58% just - poison + a shacko mask/harlekins mask for the 4 Ranks poison & Flurry Ranks same time, a Hakans Necklence for the 7-9 Ranks of poison dmg, and it rocks pretty well. Dash i had to replace by poison. Minefield + 20%crit on vulner. so i dont need so much on my gear, + 36% out of the 3 Ranks on the skill tree = 56% crit chance on traped enemys. Gloves + 1 Ring AS - DoT - Flurry/ Ring + CHC a simple Crossbow + MaxLife,Crit,Dext. Hardening Dmg per Shroud, 96% minefield size(100iscapped). 1 Dagger unique speed/WeaponRanks..dunno its name in English. + 1 simple Sword for the pure dmg MaxLife,Dex,DoT Hard. : DpShroud,minefield duration 45%. Thats it plus the 15%chanceon + 100%Poison Rune instat of Chip. It Works.

@@Pit-Sirikos the way damage stacking in D4 is a bit complex. They fall on certain multiplicative buckets, and Crit Damage, Vuln Damage, Close Damage, %Damage, all fall into one big bucket. %Damage per Dark Shroud shadow is no exception -- and out of all the sources, it has the biggest number.

@@pichapao5337 no way, vuln is a mutiplier. same as mainstat to crit dmg. Otherwise it would be impossible to reach M numbers of dmg, Example: 200% vuln + 1000% crit dmg would be just 1200% in your theory. but in real its more like 2 x 10 x mainstat : 100(%). The only dmg wich goes into 1 bucket, is dmg against ...slowed, stunned, poisoned, aso. vuln x crit x mainstat is the formula dmg per shroud is here the number 4 multiplier in the calculation. its like (1 big bucket) X (an other bucket) poison ovr time is an amp depanding on the strength of the initial physical strike(as its written on the tooltip for the poison imprint) like saying : 100k Flurry + 100%poison = 200k strike, + 200%poison = 300k dps x vuln (200% doubles the sum). the 15% chance rune can double the poison per poison stack, the 75% crit skill endpoint adds 75% poison to each stack whenever the initial hit was a crit hit, so its like 200% imprint poison can tick by RND to 400% and per 100 +75% if it was a crit Flurry hit = 175% +175% x2 if RND=true = 700% poison on top of the crit hit Flurry initial stike. poison is additional to the physical dmg. Dmg per shroud is the base multiplier of the whole pack of numbers. You can easy type it into a calculator and will get the same numbers as you get at the training dolls.

@@Pit-Sirikos Vuln multiplier is capped at 20%x. Rest of Vulnerable damage is added to the additive bucket. Same with Crit Damage (capped at 50%x)

@@DeezyTheMonster thanks, Deezy. It's been a pleasure playing the build!

@@apollo5756 it drops often enough from Zir. But it was another issue getting the higher attack speed 😅

@@kable84 Second Wind wouldn't work on Inner Sight as there's anti synergy between them. If I just want to be tanky for this particular build, I'd just put in Rubies and stick with Improved Flurry. I've been able to tank T8 Burning Butcher with that setup. Otherwise, you can go Preparation, drop Scoundrel's Leather for Tyrael's Might or regular DS chest of you don't have it, and go Second Wind

@@johnh5909 not advisable. You'll barely keep up with energy especially with longer fights

@@pichapao5337 ah damn I figured as much cheers though

Did some testing with Crown interaction and found that the average damage I was dealing was the same with or without Leyrana being taken.

@@koontakenteater Damage per Dark Shroud Shadow Temper bloats the %damage quite high.

it is getting over 1 million during fight ;)

@@lovefantasy0719 was planning on making 2 Rogues this season but there isn't really any major changes to grenades. Blizzard has buffed the ring but sadly, it is still very hard to fit into the build without nerfing yourself so just you can wear it.

@@pichapao5337 Grenade Rogue感覺很難打出更高的傷害 .. QWQ

@@brynlewis8227 this is what was on PTR. After balancing changes, it dropped to 25 stacks only

@@arbitrage2141 Improved Flurry is actually great for Infernal Hordes. Much more efficient than Advanced Flurry. If you slot in Inner Calm, it can have full stack uptime. Advanced is good for bossing though. For Vulnerable, currently utilizing Mired Sharpshooter. Also using Scoundrel's Leather for an almost one-button lazy build. Planning on releasing a video soon.

no hablo español

@@pichapao5337 He's saying that he built something for Rogue back in season 3 and he wants you to test it. Yes, I speak spanish and doesn't make any sense in spanish either.

@@beingbeyonddat oh I see. Well, yeah, aside from the itemization got a big overhaul in S4, in S5 Flurry will be reworked. Planners prior to it will not be optimal.

Yeah -- a lot of the stuff in the PTR would probably be tuned down one way or another Flurry Dash was quite fun too and would probably switch back and forth depending on the content.

Not quite. Few reasons.. 1. For this build (or any build for that matter), we don't actively look for the marked targets. They just happen. 2. It drops off the moment Inner Sight is active. 3. We have so many ways to cap or at least reach near the cap without wasting an aspect for it.

Yeah those are interesting indeed! Tempers are going to move around as well.

@@pichapao5337 Yeah its gonna be some good good changes for sure

Not just the Flurry ring, all the other aspects also state "Your Grenade skills" That 25%[x] would have been handy for sure.

@@pichapao5337 Might try to report on PTR since I bet the new Smoke grenade poison upgrade wont function properly with Versatility.

Yeah -- I think Uncanny Treachery can be interchangeable with Concussive Strikes. I might play it again once Surprise gets the buff as it was stated. Will see. I tried going with Uncanny Treachery (on pants) and Concussive (on gloves) but I really like reaching the AS breakpoint with Rapid. For the Concealment Cooldown, I used to use it a lot before the latest patch. I have yet to find another GA CDR helm and for now, that's more valuable than the temper for me. I'm still not sure too if I want +Dodge, +Agile, or +Mending Obscurity

Thanks and good luck with your pushes!

I really hope so too

I'm not sure tbh. I don't know anyone playing Twisting Blades this season aside from a few runs watching wudijo.

@@pichapao5337 fair point. It got a nice buff from the patch.

It does not

​@pichapao5337 do you know if weapon mastery does?

@@hunterpb1535 it doesn't either. Reason being, Weapon Mastery buffs your damage based on which weapon you use to cast said skills. A bulk of the build's damage comes from Grenades. Grenades proc from certain actions the player does (i.e, evade, spend energy, from Caltrops, etc), and those do not directly come from any of the weapons used by the player.

Figures, I've been loving the build, and now I have a +5 wm and +3 exploit :/ Guess I need to use another one

Damage to CC scales with Close Quarters Combat. Can consider Stun Grenade Damage but I've yet to figure out what the perfect balance is between that and Damage to CC. Damage to Close is probably the weakest of the 3.

Looking forward to it!! I still want to find out as well whether there's a good balance between having tempers of Stun Grenade Damage, and Damage to CC, while keeping CQC. The amount of Stun Grenade Damage per temper is quite on the high end compared to some of the other additives we get.

Thanks for the support! Regarding Heatseeker, I have not used the build to really give an opinionated feedback. I think I've always been an off-meta enjoyer. With regards to Devious and Fluidity, both of them are capable of doing an extra 10%[x] -- only difference is, Devious is applied via a debuff to mobs, and Fluidity is activated via Agility skills. The 150% bonus cancel each other out. Now their only difference is that Devious will never work on bosses, while Fluidity is tied to cooldown management only. Also, we're talking about Fluidity's update after mid-season patch, and not its current effect. Hope that is clear.

@@pichapao5337 I'm so glad about your response, bro. I totally fell you about not playing with the metas, despite I'm using HS, I think in the same way. About the glyph, cystal clear. I haven't figured out it would be a change on the glyph stats. Thank you very much!

The ring doesn't have the same multiplier as the aspects. It cannot compete with Elements and the additional temper. It is still getting a slight buff so I will still test it to be sure.

12/12 now. If you are tight on mats, I'd recommend going for 12/12 on the melee weapons first. 10/12 on chest and amulet (if you have +ranks), and rest can be 8/12. Your English is fine

@@pichapao5337 Thanks. Is it not good to keep using flurry without avoiding? I think there's a big delay in avoiding, so I'm thinking about it.

@@nulee661 main purpose is to activate Opportunists via Lethal Dusk. It is where most, if not all, damage is coming from. But with the updates on Surprise, it will definitely be about another 20% increase (estimated)

Either using double HP or HP + Advantage for the attack speed to reach the 14 frames for Puncture.

Doombringer often brought on the table when the build needs more survival. This build needs more damage than survival, for sure. I'm willing to test Andariel's but I don't see it working well with the build. Their scaling is pretty different even though they share a good amount of global multipliers. But it's a good idea to test nonetheless. Will see once the update drops, maybe I'm missing something as well. Dark Shroud is too precious to lose for Scoundrels Leather. Maybe for lower contents. Also Scoundrels Leather aspect got an internal cooldown that we cannot get around.

@@pichapao5337 I was thinking with doom bringer we could use the temper spots for shadow imbuement for damage since shadow will proc from doombringer unfortunately I don't have one to test with. As for andariel could be damage and defense depending on skill points we could move to the poison passives

@@newbornhollow you mean dropping the Shadow Imbue charges? As I understand it, you need shadow imbuement to apply the infection, and you need the infection status to trigger Lethal Dusk. Doombringer only procs shadow damage. I could test it but the only Doombringer drop I got was converted to shard to make Andariel's. Andariel's, I can test since I already have it.

No chance for the ring to compete with Elements and tempers unless they put in the same multipliers as the aspects. But I highly doubt it. I will still test it to be sure.

Based on my early calculation, Opportunists will still have a little more damage. But it will be close. If calculation is correct, it will be 6015 for a maxroll. With the updates to Shadow Step and inclusion of Uncanny Treachery though, Opportunists will be activated more often. Could make a case vs bosses and it's probably worth a try!

No chance for the ring to compete with Elements and tempers unless they put in the same multipliers as the aspects. But I highly doubt it. Victimize isn't viable for the sole reason that grenades have a pretty bad LHC. Exposure can be used, I don't think Deathtrap can fit in the rotation, maybe if you drop Flurry and rely on the agility skills for CQC shadow imbue spreading. But I honestly can't see how it can compete with CQC. I'll still try it though with the updates.

I hope so haha.

We've discussed about this too -- but sadly, both builds cannot work hand-in-hand together haha. They just have different damage scaling. Although I've already gotten myself an Andariel's Visage to still test it otherwise :D

I did! It really looks good on paper, and I can't wait to try it out!!

Hell yeah!! Saboteur may come back after all but will still have to test it out!

@@pichapao5337 well i'm pretty sure it's gonna be as good as the actual andariel's flurry rogue, the buffs are huges

@@xiuned1507 Andariel got good buffs too. And it was already doing mid 120's before the patch dropped. But it really looks promising for both builds

@@pichapao5337 you damn right it cleans 120 ! Its an absolute beast i love it. I m sure my other rogue with will be able to clean 120 aswell this the buffs of grenades and maybe a little adjustements on your builds if you see somes ! Also, i did say "actual" andys rogue because of course andys gonna be even better after the patch

@@xiuned1507 yes. I'm already doing some adjustments, moving around some glyphs and aspects!

Thanks!! But this is quite a long read haha. Let me go through with it and give you a proper response for each points, at least my opinion based on my experiences with the build.

1. While Encircling Blades have good AoE, I've never had a hard time spreading vulnerable due to Blended Shadow Imbuement. Also, the build is already aspect-hungry, and Encircling Blades doesn't boost the grenades. I've learned that dropping that in place of another offensive aspect made the dungeon runs a lot better. The idea for Heartseeker in-place of Puncture, while interesting, is something I've only tried for a bit. It felt clunky use HS, and then Flurry. Might be better to go with Barrage, and try to keep CQC uptime with Dash or Shadow Step.

2. I find the IS impactful enough that whenever I go Combo Points for the attack speed, the dungeon always felt slower than it has to be. But maybe it is also placebo since I really want to skip Combo Points this season lol (although technically, play-style is still the same)

3. We've recently discorvered that there's attack speed break-points and there are indeed some wasted attack speed allocation when you've already hit certain break-points.

4. I have tried a Victimize set-up on PTR, as well as early season. And changing to CQC, it already boosted me about 15 pit tiers with the same gear. I also did thorough testing on grenade LHC, and man, they are beyond abyssmal. And I agree, Sabotuer Signet is not worth losing tempers and a damage multiplier. An alternate set-up with stacking Stun Grenade Damage and go with Exposure can be considered, but you probably need to invest on dropping Concealment Cooldown to as low as possible. Or stacking Stun Grenade Damage, and still go CQC. This way, you can do a much more consistent damage when the boss isn't staggered, but little less damage when they are staggered compared to going full Damage to CC. With regards to future questions, you can either drop them here, or join Sanctuary Discord. I'm somewhat active there as well. discord.gg/ukRjxGKu