finally an update thank you bro got everything close to your build just missing some rolls pretty fun build and still tryin to figure out the playstyle? how would you play this build?
For bosses: 1. Land Caltrops 2. Dash (to get crit damage bonus) 3. Puncture til Vulnerable (should be pretty fast with high apm) as well as build up Dark Shroud stacks 4. Flurry once every 2~3 seconds to cast Shadow Imbue 5. Puncture-evade till you need to cast Flurry again 6. Repeat step 1 and 2 every so often (with even with Caltrops duration, it is just a less clunky way of re-applying Dash buff) 7. If nearing stagger, hold on for a bit before re-applying Dash. 8. Once staggered, cast Concealment immediately so you can squeeze in as much grenades from Opportunists. 9. Repeat til dead (if you don't get it during the first stagger) For Elite packs: 1. Safest way is to pre-emtively cast Concealment and infiltrate the pack 2. Hit once to drop stun grenades, this helps stop any effect from the elites. 3. Run the same steps as the ones from the boss. It looks like a lot, but simple enough once you get the rhythm going.
NOYCE! Got a few questions for you if you don't mind! I've wanted to make a grenadier since S2, and seeing all those buffs I knew it was time to answer the calling! (Did a heartseeker S3 when it wasn't busted to hell and back yet, and look at it now, shit's godtier!) I've been tweaking and tinkering with it non-stop, had an abomination of a rotation at first and managed to streamline it A LOT (if a good piano build plays like Mozart, this one was downright satanic breakcore on my keyboard). But I'm still wondering about many things! For example, would you say it's bad to keep Encircling Blades aspect so you can extend Puncture's vulnerable to entire packs and keep it up? Or, as an alternative: getting two "LH chance to make enemies vuln" affixes on gear (to reach up to ~100% chce on a LH), which would allow to drop puncture for heartseeker (Enhanced + Fundamental for +16% atk spd and +15% crit dmg on hit enemies). This would seem rather good for bosses? I'm not sure about specializations either, Combo with Flurry grants that sweet +45% atk spd, which is enough to cap type 1 atk bonus when paired with Enhanced HS, CQC cutthroat and 1 or 2 affixes. Inner Sight seems good too, and the 25% crit chance means 1 or 2 affixes freed, but the uptime doesn't seem as consistent. What's you take on this? Also, is it impactful to try and max type 2 atk spd bonus, or are the diminishing returns starting to show quickly? And last but not least, I was rocking Victimize up until now, which is great to clear packs and such, and even do some decent damage to elites in lower pit tiers. However grenades don't have LHC (unless using Saboteur's Signet, but 2% maaaan cmon, not mentioning losing two tempering affixes :/), overall that's a lot of potential procs lost, whereas CQC bonus dmg is always up, on everything! What do you think, can nothing beat CQC on a grenadier or is Victimize viable with a specific set-up? I might have some more questions in the future, YOU CANNOT STOP THE FLOOOOOOOOD!!! (Actually you can, just tell me when I'm asking too many :D)
Thanks!! But this is quite a long read haha. Let me go through with it and give you a proper response for each points, at least my opinion based on my experiences with the build.
1. While Encircling Blades have good AoE, I've never had a hard time spreading vulnerable due to Blended Shadow Imbuement. Also, the build is already aspect-hungry, and Encircling Blades doesn't boost the grenades. I've learned that dropping that in place of another offensive aspect made the dungeon runs a lot better. The idea for Heartseeker in-place of Puncture, while interesting, is something I've only tried for a bit. It felt clunky use HS, and then Flurry. Might be better to go with Barrage, and try to keep CQC uptime with Dash or Shadow Step.
2. I find the IS impactful enough that whenever I go Combo Points for the attack speed, the dungeon always felt slower than it has to be. But maybe it is also placebo since I really want to skip Combo Points this season lol (although technically, play-style is still the same)
3. We've recently discorvered that there's attack speed break-points and there are indeed some wasted attack speed allocation when you've already hit certain break-points.
4. I have tried a Victimize set-up on PTR, as well as early season. And changing to CQC, it already boosted me about 15 pit tiers with the same gear. I also did thorough testing on grenade LHC, and man, they are beyond abyssmal. And I agree, Sabotuer Signet is not worth losing tempers and a damage multiplier. An alternate set-up with stacking Stun Grenade Damage and go with Exposure can be considered, but you probably need to invest on dropping Concealment Cooldown to as low as possible. Or stacking Stun Grenade Damage, and still go CQC. This way, you can do a much more consistent damage when the boss isn't staggered, but little less damage when they are staggered compared to going full Damage to CC. With regards to future questions, you can either drop them here, or join Sanctuary Discord. I'm somewhat active there as well. discord.gg/ukRjxGKu
I was thinking about building a grenade rogue, but having death and poison trap instead of imbuement... but I don't think it can compete with this grenade build.
There are different iterations of the grenade build and how to make it work -- much less so on what skills you want to put on your skill bar -- as long as you can abuse or spam the Opportunists aspect. That being said, with Poison Trap and Death Trap -- I believe you went with Exposure passive? Do you have your tempers with Stun Grenade Damage instead of Damage to CC? If you did, what I can suggest to you is to try and focus on getting as much cooldown for Concealment, as much Attack Speed and Lucky Hit on your gear. Because doing so, you'll be able proc the grenades dropping from Exposure, and at the same time be able to go on stealth mode faster to activate Opportunists.
We've discussed about this too -- but sadly, both builds cannot work hand-in-hand together haha. They just have different damage scaling. Although I've already gotten myself an Andariel's Visage to still test it otherwise :D
@@pichapao5337 you damn right it cleans 120 ! Its an absolute beast i love it. I m sure my other rogue with will be able to clean 120 aswell this the buffs of grenades and maybe a little adjustements on your builds if you see somes ! Also, i did say "actual" andys rogue because of course andys gonna be even better after the patch
Disclaimer: This build is not really a strong single-target damage dealer. But it can still deal a decent amount up to certain tiers. The build deals its most damage to the boss only when staggered. Make sure to get as much LHC to Freeze/Daze/Immobilize, well distributed to different pieces on gear. The more different types the better. (Don't need chance to stun because grenades already stun) 1. When dealing with bosses, try to get them sit inside the Caltrops to start building debuff. The longer your Caltrops duration, the better. 2. Keep hitting with Puncture since Puncture has great Lucky Hit Chance. 3. Once staggered, you can start with Concealment in order to deal the best grenades damage. 4. Cast Shadow Imbue and start evading through the boss. 5. Repeat til boss is dead. Once boss is around 30-40% HP left, try to save Concealment for whenever Lilith's shadow spawns.
@@oeuildutigre when you say "build," did you mean for the grenades in particular? While I have featured this particular build killing bosses, a grenades build, regardless of iteration, is not a strong, nor an efficient single-target damage dealer. That being said, it doesn't mean it can't be done. The improvements I did on the planner are mostly done so I could deal decently enough damage to bosses. I have stuck with the build despite knowing all these because I enjoy the arch-type. But I wouldn't recommend this to be the best boss killer -- but rather just go with the current meta builds right now.
The ring doesn't have the same multiplier as the aspects. It cannot compete with Elements and the additional temper. It is still getting a slight buff so I will still test it to be sure.
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This build has been super fun and it slaps just ty.
It’s funny, I was just messing around with this concept wondering if it could work. And I came across your video, good stuff.
It is a pretty fun build -- hope you enjoy it too!
finally an update thank you bro got everything close to your build just missing some rolls pretty fun build and still tryin to figure out the playstyle? how would you play this build?
For bosses:
1. Land Caltrops
2. Dash (to get crit damage bonus)
3. Puncture til Vulnerable (should be pretty fast with high apm) as well as build up Dark Shroud stacks
4. Flurry once every 2~3 seconds to cast Shadow Imbue
5. Puncture-evade till you need to cast Flurry again
6. Repeat step 1 and 2 every so often (with even with Caltrops duration, it is just a less clunky way of re-applying Dash buff)
7. If nearing stagger, hold on for a bit before re-applying Dash.
8. Once staggered, cast Concealment immediately so you can squeeze in as much grenades from Opportunists.
9. Repeat til dead (if you don't get it during the first stagger)
For Elite packs:
1. Safest way is to pre-emtively cast Concealment and infiltrate the pack
2. Hit once to drop stun grenades, this helps stop any effect from the elites.
3. Run the same steps as the ones from the boss.
It looks like a lot, but simple enough once you get the rhythm going.
@@pichapao5337 thanks man ill work on it
idk if you saw patch notes but massive incoming buffs
I did! It really looks good on paper, and I can't wait to try it out!!
NOYCE! Got a few questions for you if you don't mind!
I've wanted to make a grenadier since S2, and seeing all those buffs I knew it was time to answer the calling! (Did a heartseeker S3 when it wasn't busted to hell and back yet, and look at it now, shit's godtier!) I've been tweaking and tinkering with it non-stop, had an abomination of a rotation at first and managed to streamline it A LOT (if a good piano build plays like Mozart, this one was downright satanic breakcore on my keyboard). But I'm still wondering about many things!
For example, would you say it's bad to keep Encircling Blades aspect so you can extend Puncture's vulnerable to entire packs and keep it up? Or, as an alternative: getting two "LH chance to make enemies vuln" affixes on gear (to reach up to ~100% chce on a LH), which would allow to drop puncture for heartseeker (Enhanced + Fundamental for +16% atk spd and +15% crit dmg on hit enemies). This would seem rather good for bosses?
I'm not sure about specializations either, Combo with Flurry grants that sweet +45% atk spd, which is enough to cap type 1 atk bonus when paired with Enhanced HS, CQC cutthroat and 1 or 2 affixes. Inner Sight seems good too, and the 25% crit chance means 1 or 2 affixes freed, but the uptime doesn't seem as consistent. What's you take on this?
Also, is it impactful to try and max type 2 atk spd bonus, or are the diminishing returns starting to show quickly?
And last but not least, I was rocking Victimize up until now, which is great to clear packs and such, and even do some decent damage to elites in lower pit tiers. However grenades don't have LHC (unless using Saboteur's Signet, but 2% maaaan cmon, not mentioning losing two tempering affixes :/), overall that's a lot of potential procs lost, whereas CQC bonus dmg is always up, on everything! What do you think, can nothing beat CQC on a grenadier or is Victimize viable with a specific set-up?
I might have some more questions in the future, YOU CANNOT STOP THE FLOOOOOOOOD!!! (Actually you can, just tell me when I'm asking too many :D)
Thanks!! But this is quite a long read haha. Let me go through with it and give you a proper response for each points, at least my opinion based on my experiences with the build.
1. While Encircling Blades have good AoE, I've never had a hard time spreading vulnerable due to Blended Shadow Imbuement. Also, the build is already aspect-hungry, and Encircling Blades doesn't boost the grenades. I've learned that dropping that in place of another offensive aspect made the dungeon runs a lot better.
The idea for Heartseeker in-place of Puncture, while interesting, is something I've only tried for a bit. It felt clunky use HS, and then Flurry. Might be better to go with Barrage, and try to keep CQC uptime with Dash or Shadow Step.
2. I find the IS impactful enough that whenever I go Combo Points for the attack speed, the dungeon always felt slower than it has to be. But maybe it is also placebo since I really want to skip Combo Points this season lol (although technically, play-style is still the same)
3. We've recently discorvered that there's attack speed break-points and there are indeed some wasted attack speed allocation when you've already hit certain break-points.
4. I have tried a Victimize set-up on PTR, as well as early season. And changing to CQC, it already boosted me about 15 pit tiers with the same gear.
I also did thorough testing on grenade LHC, and man, they are beyond abyssmal. And I agree, Sabotuer Signet is not worth losing tempers and a damage multiplier.
An alternate set-up with stacking Stun Grenade Damage and go with Exposure can be considered, but you probably need to invest on dropping Concealment Cooldown to as low as possible. Or stacking Stun Grenade Damage, and still go CQC. This way, you can do a much more consistent damage when the boss isn't staggered, but little less damage when they are staggered compared to going full Damage to CC.
With regards to future questions, you can either drop them here, or join Sanctuary Discord. I'm somewhat active there as well.
discord.gg/ukRjxGKu
I was thinking about building a grenade rogue, but having death and poison trap instead of imbuement... but I don't think it can compete with this grenade build.
There are different iterations of the grenade build and how to make it work -- much less so on what skills you want to put on your skill bar -- as long as you can abuse or spam the Opportunists aspect.
That being said, with Poison Trap and Death Trap -- I believe you went with Exposure passive? Do you have your tempers with Stun Grenade Damage instead of Damage to CC?
If you did, what I can suggest to you is to try and focus on getting as much cooldown for Concealment, as much Attack Speed and Lucky Hit on your gear. Because doing so, you'll be able proc the grenades dropping from Exposure, and at the same time be able to go on stealth mode faster to activate Opportunists.
how about using andariel's visage? i think pichapao+xarrio build is amazing, best of best! with grenade+andariel buff patch
We've discussed about this too -- but sadly, both builds cannot work hand-in-hand together haha. They just have different damage scaling. Although I've already gotten myself an Andariel's Visage to still test it otherwise :D
Huge grenade buff incoming the 17th !
Hell yeah!! Saboteur may come back after all but will still have to test it out!
@@pichapao5337 well i'm pretty sure it's gonna be as good as the actual andariel's flurry rogue, the buffs are huges
@@xiuned1507 Andariel got good buffs too. And it was already doing mid 120's before the patch dropped. But it really looks promising for both builds
@@pichapao5337 you damn right it cleans 120 ! Its an absolute beast i love it. I m sure my other rogue with will be able to clean 120 aswell this the buffs of grenades and maybe a little adjustements on your builds if you see somes !
Also, i did say "actual" andys rogue because of course andys gonna be even better after the patch
@@xiuned1507 yes. I'm already doing some adjustments, moving around some glyphs and aspects!
Question. Can i use Saboteur's Signet for this build?
You can. The ring is serviceable. But just know that you'll deal more damage with a tempered ring with Elements Aspect
In the planner there’s no saboteurs signet? Why?
I used it earlier. I dropped it when I started pushing the pit. It simply is not as good compared to Elements and ring tempers.
gg
I'm frustrated with the damage to the boss, any tips?
Disclaimer: This build is not really a strong single-target damage dealer. But it can still deal a decent amount up to certain tiers.
The build deals its most damage to the boss only when staggered. Make sure to get as much LHC to Freeze/Daze/Immobilize, well distributed to different pieces on gear. The more different types the better. (Don't need chance to stun because grenades already stun)
1. When dealing with bosses, try to get them sit inside the Caltrops to start building debuff. The longer your Caltrops duration, the better.
2. Keep hitting with Puncture since Puncture has great Lucky Hit Chance.
3. Once staggered, you can start with Concealment in order to deal the best grenades damage.
4. Cast Shadow Imbue and start evading through the boss.
5. Repeat til boss is dead.
Once boss is around 30-40% HP left, try to save Concealment for whenever Lilith's shadow spawns.
@@pichapao5337 Hi there
But what build is great for the boss? Since you changed most of it now.
@@oeuildutigre when you say "build," did you mean for the grenades in particular?
While I have featured this particular build killing bosses, a grenades build, regardless of iteration, is not a strong, nor an efficient single-target damage dealer. That being said, it doesn't mean it can't be done. The improvements I did on the planner are mostly done so I could deal decently enough damage to bosses.
I have stuck with the build despite knowing all these because I enjoy the arch-type. But I wouldn't recommend this to be the best boss killer -- but rather just go with the current meta builds right now.
Why you don't use unique flurry ring on this build.
Is it bad to use ?
The ring doesn't have the same multiplier as the aspects. It cannot compete with Elements and the additional temper.
It is still getting a slight buff so I will still test it to be sure.
Yesss !! Optimized paragon, you mean the 7 boards ? i'm currently pit 61 with my grenadier, really active build ! thanks !
Yeah -- using the 7-boards for pushing. Still 6 active Glyphs though, but got some HP boost which helps stay on the fight more comfortably.