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Thanks for the hint regarding the Australian event, I found "Uprising Adelaide" where a DW player with a fancy list went 7-1 (r2), that's very solid

The man knows his Deathwatch!

He definitely does! I’m going to try a more aggressive playstyle and see how I go!

Thanks, and yeah this is really big for the Deathwatch!

From zero to hero!

Highest kitbashing potential as well, while we are at it 👍🏻

Oh I didn't see that, but good catch!

Great times for the long vigil indeed!

Something like this was long overdue!

Because The stratagem now gives the target deep strike, I think the Beacon is no longer necessary. Also because of the order of when the teleportation Strat is used, the rapid ingress is almost never usable. I recommend just skipping the enhancement myself.

Great, certainly can't go wrong with that!

Haha, appreciated 👍🏻 I guess that would count as "Sleepwatch" then!

@SwissHammer haha, new channel incoming!

Pleasure! And true that, BSTF is juicy, but there are certainly other viable detachments to be played as well. Great to have options once more!

Thanks, most appreciated!

Do you have some Space Marine close combat weapons from older kits? Like power swords, shields and hammers? If yes, you could easily get away with using Intercessor bodies and (preferably with magnets) add the "old" firstborn cc weapons. Also keep in mind that DW Veterans are scaled slightly bigger than older firstborn kits, so the difference between the DW Vets and the Primaris tacticus bodies is not that big after all. You will most definitely want some Terminators, though, but new kits for these exist already, at least...

@SwissHammer Starting from complete scratch, have nothing.

For the long vigil indeed!

Very welcome!

Thank you! The other ones will follow in due time 👍🏻

Yes, that very much looks like something more was intended. Maybe in 11th...

Thank you for the suggestion, that "old trick" from our 9th edition KTs of course still works with this one as well.

Thank you! That's precisely the point I wanted to hit home in this TS focused guide: There is no need trying too hard for the Doctrines bonus or relaying on teleport (as great as both are), the default move of this KT is really a big strength over the Indomitor. Currently running one of each to get more of a feel for both, really like them both, have not been convinced to double up on either over the other. A more direct Talonstrike vs. Indom is certainly something worth considering outside this more general guide, thank you for the suggestion!

Most kind, thank you for the encouragement!

Currently, I am running one of each - really liking them both so far. Always great to have options!

Indom can do more damage against certain targets, but I run one of each bc talon can star advance and shoot and get an angle on almost anything, esp if they start on the board given the right oppo/board state. Just good to get our heads out of only ever dropping the, for the extra AP when you don’t always need it, esp against invuls and can overcharge to take hazardous wounds on the assault ints pistols

With the mandatory AssInts only being 3, it would be really cool to add Suppressors in: One could then run 3 AssInts, 2 Suppressors and 5 Inceptors, while still keeping the benefits of T6 as well. Suppressors should bring something extra to the table then, however, to make them more worthwhile. Personally, I don't mind the AssInts as base tax... 5 Inceptors are quite the firepower and the AssInts provide plenty of benefits (ablative wounds, hazardous, melee).

@SwissHammer Sadly only the Suppressor Sergeant that bring something on the table : Smoke launcher

Thank you!

Most likely they didn't consistently update the index when they renewed it. Fingers crossed for a FAQ soon!

Blessings indeed, that has done wonders for us!

Hopefully, the Watch will win in that one!

Haha, that is certainly true now more than ever before. Personally, I found Desolation Marines being sold quite a bit on auction sites after the nerf, so that might work in our favor.

That we are!

Thank you for the suggestion!

​@@SwissHammer I'm sure it was in your list; it was more to help you with the algorithm ;)

In my opinion, the DW Vets are still well worth investing, be it 5-man or 10-man blocks with a WM. Given that he can only attach to them or the Fortis, 10-man + WM is the one combo where he can really shine. Rest of your list has all solid picks. I think it's nice to have 3-4 "KILL TEAM" keyword units (be it actual KTs, or just Vets/Termies) to profit from the strats. Also, at least one Squad of Infiltrators remains auto-include in my opinion, no arguments there.

​@@SwissHammer fantastic thanks man

Thank you, appreciated!

Yeah this is a good compromise I feel, especially if you add an Inquisitor. I'm more into the GravCpt/Aggressors myself, but it comes down to playstyle

@@SwissHammer I'd rather just regular Aggressors then. ^ Aggressors with a Gravis Captain with Thief of Secrets is pretty disgusting.

Yeah, unfortunately DW has never really scaled down well to sub 2k games. Personally, I would stick to Vets and Terminators in that case, they have the Kill Team keyword so you can make the detachment work with just using these anyway!

@@GrimmDork Watchmaster + 5 Vets + Rhino, GravCap + Indomitor KT, 5 Termies and 2x 5 Intercessors is the best 1000pts list that I came up with so far.

Merry Christmas and a happy new year! While they didn't greatly re-invent the KTs, I think they addressed at least some of the issues. A good start!

One brush stroke at a time, brother!

Currently experimenting with 1x Indomitor, 1x Talonstrike, Termies, Vets and a bunch of extras/chars. It's great to have so many options back.

@ it’s nice to be able to play something different. Been playing Votann and as much as they are great, I want to change it up! My list I’m going to try is this this +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + FACTION KEYWORD: Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Deathwatch + DETACHMENT: Black Spear Task Force + TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 1995pts + ALLIED UNITS: Agents of the Imperium + + WARLORD: Char2: Captain in Gravis Armour + ENHANCEMENT: Thief of Secrets (on Char2: Captain in Gravis Armour) & The Tome of Ectoclades (on Char3: Watch Master) + NUMBER OF UNITS: 14 + SECONDARY: - Bring It Down: (3x2) - Assassination: 5 Characters - Cull The Horde: 2x5 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CHARACTER 1x Apothecary Biologis (70 pts) • 1x Absolver Bolt Pistol • 1x Close Combat Weapon 1x Captain in Gravis Armour (105 pts) • 1x Boltstorm Gauntlet • 1x Power Fist • 1x Relic Blade • Warlord • Thief of Secrets (+25 pts) 1x Watch Master (135 pts) • 1x Vigil spear • The Tome of Ectoclades (+30 pts) BATTLELINE 10x Deathwatch Veterans (200 pts) • 9x Model • 2x Power weapon • 1x Black Shield blades • 4x Deathwatch thunder hammer • 2x Close combat weapon • 2x Frag cannon • 2x Astartes shield • 1x Sgt • 1x Xenophase blade • Astartes shield 5x Deathwatch Veterans (100 pts) • 4x Model • 2x Deathwatch thunder hammer • 2x Close combat weapon • 1x Frag cannon • 1x Infernus heavy bolter • 1x Sgt • 1x Combi-weapon • 1x Xenophase blade OTHER DATASHEETS 5x Deathwatch Terminator Squad (180 pts) • 4x Deathwatch Terminator • 1x Storm Shield • 1x Thunder Hammer • 3x Heavy Flamer & Chainfist • 1x Heavy flamer • 1x Deathwatch Terminator Sergeant • 1x Storm Shield • 1x Thunder Hammer 10x Indomitor Kill Team (270 pts) • 10x Kill Team Heavy Intercessor • 7x Bolt pistol • 7x Close combat weapon • 2x Deathwatch heavy bolt rifle • 2x Deathwatch heavy bolter • 2x Melta rifle • 1x Multi-melta • 3x Auto boltstorm gauntlets • 3x Fragstorm grenade launcher • 3x Twin power fists 10x Indomitor Kill Team (270 pts) • 10x Kill Team Heavy Intercessor • 7x Bolt pistol • 7x Close combat weapon • 2x Deathwatch heavy bolt rifle • 2x Deathwatch heavy bolter • 2x Melta rifle • 1x Multi-melta • 3x Auto boltstorm gauntlets • 3x Fragstorm grenade launcher • 3x Twin power fists 5x Infiltrator Squad (100 pts) • 4x Infiltrator • 4x Bolt Pistol • 4x Close Combat Weapon • 4x Marksman Bolt Carbine • Infiltrator Comms Array, Helix Gauntlet • 1x Infiltrator Sergeant • 1x Bolt Pistol • 1x Close Combat Weapon • 1x Marksman Bolt Carbine 1x Ballistus Dreadnought (130 pts) • 1x Armoured Feet • 1x Ballistus Lascannon • 1x Ballistus Missile Launcher • 1x Twin Storm Bolter 1x Ballistus Dreadnought (130 pts) • 1x Armoured Feet • 1x Ballistus Lascannon • 1x Ballistus Missile Launcher • 1x Twin Storm Bolter 1x Storm Speeder Thunderstrike (150 pts) • 1x Close Combat Weapon • 1x Stormfury Missiles • 1x Thunderstrike Las-talon • 1x Twin Icarus Rocket Pod ALLIED UNITS 1x Callidus Assassin (100 pts) • 1x Neural shredder • 1x Phase sword and poison blades 1x Inquisitor (55 pts) • 1x Inquisitorial melee weapon • 1x Bolt pistol • Blessed wardings

Thank you, always a pleasure!

Anytime!

Excellent reminder, GW should provide clarification through releasing an FAQ for leader toughness rules vs. KT toughness rules

@@SwissHammerWhile a Bodyguard unit contains a Leader, it is known as an Attached unit and, with the exception of rules that are triggered when units are destroyed, it is treated as a single unit for all rules purposes. Each time an attack targets an Attached unit, until the attacking unit has resolved all of its attacks, you must use the Toughness characteristic of the Bodyguard models in that unit, even if a Leader in that unit has a different Toughness characteristic.

@@СергейСавельев-и1юindeed. Since the bodyguard is T5, you use T5

Indeed it does!

Danke gleichfalls! 👍🏻

Thank you, the long vigil never ends!

@SwissHammer This is the way.

For the long vigil and the Emperor, brother!

Aren't we all? 😉

You are too modest. Thank you for all you do!

Personally, I appreciate that they put above average work into the new release of the index. That said, it remains to be seen what the rest of the edition had in store for the Deathwatch!