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Should be OK, I didn't shoot the vid, and it's just a crewman's personal vid, I didn't take it from an Iowa site or anything. Are you the 'Moe' I know from the ship? Logistically, it would be a major undertaking to fire 'naturally', very expensive and then there would be the cleaning involved. Even though it was a pyro shot from a 'mortar', it wouldn't be cheap. It also is VERY loud. Car alarms went off al over, and my guess is that it scared the hell out of people at Ports O' Call, it was pointed right at them...

@@jamespobog3420 Thanks.... AND YES.... It is .... 'Da MOE'!!! Mario to be sure!! Good to hear from ya!!! Hoping you are doing well, Buddy!!! I SURE Miss ya (and a few others)....hoping you are staying "cool"!!!

@@Hey_MikeZeroEcho22P Cool. MAybe you know, maybe you don't, I lost my job to Covid, but as to be expected, I'm still 'family', walk on and go where I want. It's very cool. Since covid I've been hobby building lelectric guitars and teaching at a maker space near John Wayne airport. Hope all is well with you.

E-1 to O-6 including Warrants is quite an accomplishment. He gets a Bravo Zulu from me.

There were several Iowa volunteers as passengers, and they said it scared the crap out of almost everyone. Well, everyone except them...

John, Bravo Zulu. Replying on YT is ponderous with long threads. I have no problem comm-ing with you email. Make a junk one if you want, mine is jamesgpobog at yahoo dot com Feel free to write me. I've just had a couple ephphanies concerning your 'passion' question. I'll mention them here, but don't want to air them in public but I have no problem discussing them with you email. First, I did something bad at the beginning of my active duty. As a hint, These are the three words I associate with my actions: cowardice, betrayal, and redemption. I just realized the fight I do about the Forrestal fire is part of that last word, redemption. Second, the link below is a vid that I am featured in. It is 30 minutes, and is a behind-the-scenes on Iowa BB61. In about the middle of the tape, I launch into comments about Clayton Hartwig, the sailor blamed for the gun explosion that killed 47 men inside turret #2. Notice a similarity? Injustice. Neither of the above 2 items I thought of until you asked the question. And yes, that really is me in the vid. 2 million+ views. I'm locally world famous... jamesgpobog at yahoo dot com th-cam.com/video/dW83U4bkC_k/w-d-xo.html Looking forward to corresponding with you.

A couple more things. Two books: "Sailors To The End", and "FIRE FIRE FIRE ON THE FLIGHT DECK AFT ! THIS IS NOT A DRILL !!!" Both contain LOTS of crew interviews and stories. Then there is the USS Forrestal Assoc. and Ken Killmeyer is the historian and compiler of Fire On the Flight Deck.

Nice turnaround. BTW, thanks for your service. Why the passion? I am a seeker of truth and make a big effort to not believe lies. I started this when I realized that I really wasn't sure myself about JMc being involved or not. As I've written, I have worked for a number of years with at least 2 people (ATC-1 J.J. Johnstone, and Lt. Bill Foster, A-8 driver) who knew JMc personally, served onboard with him and had him as an instructor. He was a good pilot and a real jerk. I have plenty of time (well, mostly). I'm 70% disabled, Blue Water Navy. Agent Orange gave me diabetes from drinking it during WESTPAC '72., so yeah, we can talk.

My point is that I desire TRUTH to prevail. I think it DOES matter, because to let lies slide gives you the revisionist history like the Holocaust deniers or claims of a moon landing hoax, not to mention chemtrails. IMHO, to paraphrase Barry Goldwater, 'Extremism in defense of TRUTH is no vice.' I would encourage you to do some research, or ask me about your doubts. As stated, your doubt is simply not possible for several reasons, depending on alleged scenario claimed. Wet starts do not produce the claimed result, and ultimately, there was no plane or flight deck behind McCain only ocean, so there was no pilot to startle or missile to cook off.

@@jamespobog3420 come on now on the chemtrails

@@johnrhodes101875 No such thing. And yes, I have looked.

There's a guided tour in T1 now...

I leave that stuff to the Bo'sun's Mates. I was a BT. Down in the hole, lines are pipes.

@@jamespobog3420 Barely Trainiable, but no more, us elite MM's have taken over. You are correct about steam lines, live steam, and dead steam - still wear no socks. Real snipes like BT's are a dying breed. MMCS(SS) Ken Badoian

Actually, the 5's train and point, just manually. Pointing is easy, train is a MAJOR pain in the stern.

The mounts are not powered now.

There you go you got it right, grand pappy and pappy saved his treasonous ass when he was released from his visit at the Hilton

@@timmiller745 Again. Timmy, explain how a man dead for 22 years helped cover up for his grandson. Your FAIL is becoming palpable.

"That's why they call them Johnny WetJet McCain him doing what he did with his afterburners " ROFLMFAO. You MDS types (McCain Derangement Syndrome) don't even realize that your posts reveal that you are completely ignorant of the subject. The news flash for you, Skippy, is that the A-4 Skyhawk does not have an afterburner. LOL.....

@@jamespobog3420 he used to do that with other jets like the f4 Phantom that's where he got the name from what I understand from the now scrubbed interviews of servicemen of that era. Good point still doesn't mean he couldn't flood the engine or dump fuel the documentary I seen clearly showed the fuel pool on the deck coming from his plane and going towards the plane then that plane igniting the fuel pool and then the rocket shot off. Funny how that documentary is now poof I wish could share it. Dude crashed like 5 jets and was known for being wreckless from what have read from many sources. Guess will never know the truth till leave this world.

@@jamespobog3420 nobody has McCain derangement syndrome as you call it. That fucker has been burning in hell for a couple of years now. Veterans of the Vietnam War sleep peacefully at night knowing that Songbird is getting what deserves. Ole Hanoi Jane sounds like she's not far behind.

Same with the other 3 Iowa's. They are VERY much capable!

From what I have heard about the USS Iowa's situation the only thing keeping her from taking a cruise is the restrictions placed upon her as a museum ship. Well that and lack of crew to sail her. Other than that she's supposedly in seaworthy shape aside from turret 2. Her boilers and engineering plant have been fully restored and are functional. So asleep, not dead is apt. To be more accurate she is asleep with one eye open.

Your comments about the propulsion system are incorrect. At the very least, the boilers need to be re-bricked and possibly re-tubed. No such thing as a 'fully restored' engineering plant. She is NOT even close to raising steam. Also every single sea chest is welded over, so she'd have to go into drydock. The main deck is in terrible shape, and in fact, has termites. CEC (Combat Engagement Center, or 'Strike') was virtually stripped when she came to San Pedro. Could she be put back in running condition? Theoretically yes. Practically, no. LOTS of time and money needed. What IS interesting is that except T2, not a single gun on her has been de-milled. But the guns....the 16's will never fire again, because there is no ammo. No spare barrels, no barrel liners, no powder, no projectiles. Nothing. Now, on top of that, there is the Navy's quote to Johnathan Williams, the CEO, "If the museum fails, she will go to scrap. We do NOT want her back." Lots of mis-info and rumor about her status, but them's the facts.

I cannot speak for the main guns, but in the case of the museum's 5" blank shots, it's just a big 'thump', even with the doors open. The 5" now uses 2 pounds of black powder for the blank shots.

The very noticeable paradox is that externally, she is gigantic, but inside, she can be EXTREMELY cramped.

All I can tell you is that it was a professional pyro shot, a mortar in the muzzle, and a bang box. The event was a special one , a fundraiser for the org within the SEAL community that takes care of families that have lost their father/husband. MOH recipient from the Vietnam war, Michael E. Thornton was there. I ran into him (he was the first MOH I'd ever seen) and even though my navy time was 1970-1976, when I saw that MOH moving toward me, training took over and I automatically snapped to attention and saluted.

Not gonna happen, for a good number of reasons. 1. The CEO, Jonathan Williams was told by the USN "We do not want the ships back." 2. All spare barrels have been destroyed and there is no ability to make new ones. 3. There are no projectiles. All have been destroyed. 4. There is no powder. All has been destroyed. 5. There are no spare parts for any of the legacy equipment. You can't repair anything. 6. The people who know how to run the ships are 50+ years old. 7. The Iowa has been officially designated "National Museum of the Surface Navy". 8. In a nutshell, it would ne a waste of money. There is SO MUCH work needed to do something like that, it makes no sense to pay to deconstruct, then pay to reconstruct. A far better plan would be to purpose design and build new.

Not gonna happen for all the reasons mentioned above, BUT beyond that - the only reason they were updated the last time was to expand the coverage of modern weapons like cruise missiles. Today, those would be the ONLY things you'd really be able to use on an Iowa - give me a scenario where they'd need the guns? An Arleigh Burke destroyer can fire TONS of various missiles at nearly any target, from ICBM's to land targets, aircraft, etc - it's radar, sensor, and CIC setup is vastly superior to anything they could ever retrofit onto an Iowa.

Kick kick. Where are you? Go to ww2 and see what it is like.

@@jsnjcnt You have been somewhat civil in earlier posts. Don't ruin it. Also, I'll assume you now have read my statements about my stepfather. Do not make the mistake of supposing I do not know about WW2.

@@jsnjcnt What does WWII. Have to do with anything. Billy J Shafer USS Saratoga CVA 60 1967-1972

@@billyshafer3182 it has to do with you and everyone that has served in the armed forces. Sure maybe you weren't in ww2 but every soldier that sacrificed their lives or came back home deserves to be honored for their service. Thank you for your service to you and every other service man.

@@jsnjcnt The fact remains. McCain had nothing to do with anything. Just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

That's a sound booster. That is an FX shot, nothing like what is done with the 5-inch.

Sorry you feel that way, but you are 100% mistaken. I was no fan of McCain, my parents lost $500,000 in the Keating scandal. As I have stated many times this vid deals with one thing and one thing only, the cause of the fire, and McCain did NOT cause the fire. If you have evidence that he did, please produce it, and by evidence I mean empirical, objective evidence, not some conspiratorial nutball youtube video full of lies and impossible scenarios. I'll wait.

@@jamespobog3420 I heard what I said about on the DR, Micheal Savage I believe and may be mistaken because it was years ago.You may believe Dr, Savage is a crack pot or a shock jock and thats what the left wing MARXIST MEDIA wants you to believe . Another thing I have heard testmonies from people that were directly involved in this incident including comments in your You tube comment section. I am not saying he cause this on purpose. There is too much evidence that the man is a disgraceful idiot and so is some of his family. I do want to say also I am sorry about your parents loss in the Keating scandal. Thanks for your reply.

Thank you for your civility. You've taken the first step. The problem with all the MDI (McCain Did It) scenarios is that there is zero connection with reality. It is all fantasy, written by people who prima facie know nothing about carriers, their operation, or naval aircraft design and features. This means that to people who DO have knowledge of those subjects, the conspiracy theories are ridiculous fantasies. MDI (McCain did it) says he deliberately did a 'wet start' to startle the pilot behind him who then accidentally fired a rocket into McCain's plane. Physically impossible. The start sequence of an A-4 is by command, and the commands come from the Plane Captain, standing in front of the plane. The pilot execute his commands.. There is no random act by the pilot. Here's another extremely important point few know, certainly no MDI believer knows it. ANYONE on an active flight deck can shut it down at any time. ANYONE, from the lowest new recruit, to a visiting Admiral. If an unsafe condition or action is observed the 'emergency stop' signal is given and activity ceases on the flight deck. There are lots of 'white shirts' (safety observers' ) all over looking for things like that. A deliberate 'wet start' is horseplay and horseplay is simply zero tolerance. You see, there is a person up in PriFly called the 'Air Boss'. The ship belongs to the Captain, the flight deck belongs to the Air Boss. Even the CAPTAIN is afraid of the Air Boss. Pulling stunts like that could cost McCain his wings. It is physically impossible for a plane to have been parked behind McCain, since his squadron's planes were parked with their tailpipes hanging over the ocean on the port-aft part of the flight deck. All photographic evidence of the event and standard flight deck procedure proves this. It is physically impossible for any plane on a carrier to deliberately drop or fire a weapon while sitting on the deck. There are several safety systems, one of which is a complete disconnect of the weapons system while the plane is sitting on it's landing gear., Also, the scenario that a switch was accidently hit on McCain scrambling out is physically impossible. There is not just one switch, there are several, and they must be activated in sequence. By the way, I have the operations manual for the A-4 Skyhawk and that is my source. There are also several interesting illustrations of how many people are around a plane on startup, some of them with firefighting gear. The A-4 Skyhawks were not loaded with rockets that day so neither McCain nor the ghost pilot 'behind' him could have fired one. IF IF IF McCain had fired a rocket, the fire would have started on the other side of the ship farther forward. Footage of the fire proves this, because the men running toward the fire are running from the exact area that the imaginary rocket would have hit. They would be dead, not running toward the fire. McCain is faulted for going to his Ready Room after the fire started. Here's something very few non-carrier people know. Squadron pilots are not part of the ship's crew. The ship does not assign their General Quarters stations, their squadron does. McCain's General Quarters station, as with most squadron pilots, was his ready room. He went exactly where he was ordered to go.

Finger? The breechblock will take your arm if it can. You simply DO NOT put any body part at all inside the chamber, not ever a quarter inch.

@@jamespobog3420 Thank you for your reply Sir, stay safe!

There actually has been a 16" shoot. It was a pyro shot, done with a mortar, IIRC in the left or center gun of T1. It was loud as hell and set off car alarms in the surrounding neighborhood. The event was a fundraiser for a Special Forces org that takes care of families and children of Seals KIA. Probably scared the hell out of Ports O' Call...

@@jamespobog3420 Please tell me there's a video of that somewhere

@@fionawimber1028 You mean.. This? th-cam.com/video/rRAbreMUtm4/w-d-xo.html

@@jamespobog3420 😂

Hes Not supposed to hit

To be fair it was a joke right... right?

Liar. Produce the names of those you claim. Produce your evidence of exactly HOW the fire started. I want to read your own words describing the source of the fire. I'll wait. BTW, I HAVE done my research and read the stories of HUNDREDS of survivors. NO ONE, including Dave Dollarhide, who was in the plane right next to McCain the claims you say.

Absolute nonsense. The Navy investigation mentions nothing of the sort.

I didn't think you could produce any such witnesses., and I was correct. If you say there are, PRODUCE THEM. See, unlike you I can provide legitimate sources LOADED with surviving crew interviews. 1. the book 'Sailors To The End' 2. The book 'FIRE ! FIRE ! FIRE ON THE FLIGHT DECK AFT !! THIS IS NOT A DRILL !!! 3. The USS Forrestal Assoc www.uss-forrestal.com/ If you are right, that last should be chock full of anti-McCain vitriol...

@ Lynn Frank Here's a link to a survivor, Dave Dollarhide, who was in a plane right next to McCain. He talks about McCain and the fire in several places. www.powmiamemorial.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Conversation-with-Dave-Dollarhide.pdf