James, nice post , I'm honored to be your firstview , I look forward to meeting with you again remembering our enlightening conversation. keep up the good work !
So here's the deal... The powder is different from what you are probably imagining. Think licorice Tootsie Rolls the size of your thumb, not gray/black sand. The large grain size reduces surface area, and therefore burn rate. A normal shot takes six 110-pound silk (in WWII) bags, a total of 660 pounds. Yep, that's a lot.
I was in mount 53 on the fan tail of DD 762. Try all of this with all the rocking and rolling at sea. I'm sure the sailors in the video would agree! Also trying not to watch the new guy's pucking out the hatch where the empty powder casings would go after firing.
Yeah, great offshore gunfire support. I always thought the Atlanta class cruisers would have been almost unbeatable as gunfire support. 16X5"/38? Bloody hell, that works out to 240 rounds on target every minute. That's 4 per second. Hellfire raining from heaven...
One really good question. Does the us navy still send money to help maintain the iowa clas or have times set to whe they send them to drydock maintain them. I have recently heard that they put the Missouri in drydock in 2012 for maitnence. And is everything on the iowa class BBs still in working order? And if not could the navy take the iowas whenever they wanted and rebuild the damages componets? Ive heared that turret 2 is doneskies and they dont have any parts and took them from the North Carolina.
"Does the us navy still send money to help maintain the iowa clas or have times set to whe they send them to drydock maintain them." Nope. no gov't money or help. " I have recently heard that they put the Missouri in drydock in 2012 for maitnence." I have no knowledge of that, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. "And is everything on the iowa class BBs still in working order?" Pretty much, but she was stripped of lots of electronics and weapons systems. We've replaced some from robbing other ships. All the propulsion machinery is intact though. "And if not could the navy take the iowas whenever they wanted and rebuild the damages componets? A couple things. 1. The Navy has told us (don't know about her sisters) "We do not want the ship back". 2. Fabricating replacement parts for legacy stuff is prohibitively expensive. And then there's the fact there's no powder or projectiles left... "Ive heard that turret 2 is doneskies and they dont have any parts and took them from the North Carolina." T2 is a mix. It was given a brush up and painted, but there's also lots of stuff missing, some thrown overboard during the cleanup, and some piled down on the powder flat. Haven't seen it myself, but a friend was in there last week and he said superficially, it doesn't look too bad. The only thing I'm aware of that she got from North Carolina is the tail hatch. Iowa's is at the bottom of the ocean.
Thanks for the answer! I was wondering if the iowa still got funding because there is a United States Code(title 10? section 1011, date1999) and also a congressional mandate (Pub. L. 109-364, year 2007), which outlines that the us navy to maintain 2 of the iowa class battleships for rapid reactivation and preserve the old equipment for the ships. Through my research these mandates are not in void or have been written over. But BB61-64 have been stricken.
@@jamespobog3420 yeah most likely. Congress forgets and the DoD hides it XD. I can understand that they dont want to waste the money. But it might be a good idea for them to start maintaing 2 because there is no naval fire support platform. But its just another pipe dream.
I know this would be very unlikely to happen, but say a criminal has a boat nearby and it has weapons and is firing on civilians or dock workers, could you load the full power shells in that thing and take them out?
@@mtumeumrani376 Not really, very limited manual movements. The 5inch is fairly easy to move, but the 16s can only be elevated/lowered with effort. The turrets are too heavy to rotate manually.
Not nitpicking, but there is a difference between a turret (the big guns) and a mount (these 5" guns). These 5" mounts still move, but only manually, they are not powered now.
Jake Bond Not the way we shoot them. In real use they come back about 18 inches. We just use 2 pounds of black powder in each barrel, and that is far from enough to generate recoil. IIRC, a real charge is about 15 pounds of smokeless powder.
Go to the vid below, and look at 27:30. Look at the right end of the gun and it looks like the tray is open in the bottom. There is a piece of frame with a 4" red bar across it, and then it ends about a foot later at that tray opening. The frame is a separate part from the rest of the gun there, and it comes back far enough to fill that opening. th-cam.com/video/dW83U4bkC_k/w-d-xo.html
Hey, that's mount 56. That's the exact location I was at when turret 2 exploded.
Yep. 56. Were you in the gun or out on deck?
James, nice post , I'm honored to be your firstview , I look forward to meeting with you again remembering our enlightening conversation. keep up the good work !
Good work, next job is to do the same on the 16 inch guns....
MajesticDemonLord We've done a pyro shot, but that kind of stuff is not cheap.
@@jamespobog3420 imagine the amount of powder youd need to fire the 16. Geez that would be expensive, and im not going anywhere near 2nd div
So here's the deal... The powder is different from what you are probably imagining. Think licorice Tootsie Rolls the size of your thumb, not gray/black sand. The large grain size reduces surface area, and therefore burn rate.
A normal shot takes six 110-pound silk (in WWII) bags, a total of 660 pounds. Yep, that's a lot.
I was in mount 53 on the fan tail of DD 762. Try all of this with all the rocking and rolling at sea. I'm sure the sailors in the video would agree! Also trying not to watch the new guy's pucking out the hatch where the empty powder casings would go after firing.
Yes. As much fun as we have doing these shoots, we all understand that what we do has very little in common with real shoots.
we need battleships again
There is a mystique about them, but they really are obsolete...
@@jamespobog3420 yeah they are but they worked really well as artillery
Yeah, great offshore gunfire support.
I always thought the Atlanta class cruisers would have been almost unbeatable as gunfire support. 16X5"/38? Bloody hell, that works out to 240 rounds on target every minute. That's 4 per second. Hellfire raining from heaven...
@@jamespobog3420 yep thats why we need them again plus they have huge range
Not sure which ships you mean, but the 16's are maxed at 24 nautical miles, the 5"/38 is 10 miles surface/surface.
One really good question. Does the us navy still send money to help maintain the iowa clas or have times set to whe they send them to drydock maintain them. I have recently heard that they put the Missouri in drydock in 2012 for maitnence. And is everything on the iowa class BBs still in working order? And if not could the navy take the iowas whenever they wanted and rebuild the damages componets? Ive heared that turret 2 is doneskies and they dont have any parts and took them from the North Carolina.
"Does the us navy still send money to help maintain the iowa clas or have times set to whe they send them to drydock maintain them."
Nope. no gov't money or help.
" I have recently heard that they put the Missouri in drydock in 2012 for maitnence."
I have no knowledge of that, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.
"And is everything on the iowa class BBs still in working order?"
Pretty much, but she was stripped of lots of electronics and weapons systems. We've replaced some from robbing other ships. All the propulsion machinery is intact though.
"And if not could the navy take the iowas whenever they wanted and rebuild the damages componets?
A couple things. 1. The Navy has told us (don't know about her sisters) "We do not want the ship back". 2. Fabricating replacement parts for legacy stuff is prohibitively expensive. And then there's the fact there's no powder or projectiles left...
"Ive heard that turret 2 is doneskies and they dont have any parts and took them from the North Carolina."
T2 is a mix. It was given a brush up and painted, but there's also lots of stuff missing, some thrown overboard during the cleanup, and some piled down on the powder flat. Haven't seen it myself, but a friend was in there last week and he said superficially, it doesn't look too bad. The only thing I'm aware of that she got from North Carolina is the tail hatch. Iowa's is at the bottom of the ocean.
Thanks for the answer! I was wondering if the iowa still got funding because there is a United States Code(title 10? section 1011, date1999) and also a congressional mandate (Pub. L. 109-364, year 2007), which outlines that the us navy to maintain 2 of the iowa class battleships for rapid reactivation and preserve the old equipment for the ships. Through my research these mandates are not in void or have been written over. But BB61-64 have been stricken.
@@Loki1701e I can't tell you why exactly, but for some reason that Code stuff just isn't paid attention too anymore.
@@jamespobog3420 yeah most likely. Congress forgets and the DoD hides it XD. I can understand that they dont want to waste the money. But it might be a good idea for them to start maintaing 2 because there is no naval fire support platform. But its just another pipe dream.
if that was the case uss texas wouldnt be listing
I know this would be very unlikely to happen, but say a criminal has a boat nearby and it has weapons and is firing on civilians or dock workers, could you load the full power shells in that thing and take them out?
Nope. There is however the Harbor Police, they drive fast semi-ridged boats with machine guns. They're no joke.
Would be cool if you could though wouldn’t it?
@@DMW-iq2ie It certainly would be interesting...
You guys can't rotate the turrets or trim ghn elevation?
@@mtumeumrani376 Not really, very limited manual movements. The 5inch is fairly easy to move, but the 16s can only be elevated/lowered with effort. The turrets are too heavy to rotate manually.
Can the turret still move
Not nitpicking, but there is a difference between a turret (the big guns) and a mount (these 5" guns).
These 5" mounts still move, but only manually, they are not powered now.
@@leematoadgaming4945
What was supposed to be filled with concrete?
@@jamespobog3420 I heard that the turrets were for some reason supposed to be filled with concrete. But that makes no sense
So, those guns do not recoil?
Jake Bond Not the way we shoot them. In real use they come back about 18 inches. We just use 2 pounds of black powder in each barrel, and that is far from enough to generate recoil. IIRC, a real charge is about 15 pounds of smokeless powder.
Oh, OK. So in a real world situation with a normal load, they would recoil. Cheers for clearing that up!
Go to the vid below, and look at 27:30. Look at the right end of the gun and it looks like the tray is open in the bottom. There is a piece of frame with a 4" red bar across it, and then it ends about a foot later at that tray opening. The frame is a separate part from the rest of the gun there, and it comes back far enough to fill that opening.
th-cam.com/video/dW83U4bkC_k/w-d-xo.html
Black powder is corrosive. I assume you can take care of that.
@@melgross
They get cleaned after every shot.