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Mask of Fealty & Infinite Melees DESTROY The End Game. (NEW Stasis Hunter Build)
in my first build for Episode Revenant, we have a Stasis Hunter build all about tossing melees and freezing the battlefield. This makes use of our new Mask of Fealty exotic and is perfect for all the content we have access to right now.
DIM: dim.gg/bxfrfoq/Infinite-Melee-Revenant
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:38 Exotic Armor
2:04 Subclass Config
3:11 Fragments
4:09 Exotic Weapon & Synergy
5:16 Artifact & Tonics
6:35 Armor Mods
7:37 Other Weapons
7:52 Gameplay Loop
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Wicked Implement is a story of a weapon that could have been. At least that's what I thought when revenant released. But after using it myself and taking the risk, I found it to be quite good. So today we discuss this exotic and how it might surprise you. Thank you for watching! I know every content creator says this, but I really mean it. Having you watch the things I make has been incredible!...
Ice Breaker Loadouts Are FANTASTIC
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Ice Breaker is finally in the game. After getting it from completing contest vespser's host and getting the catalyst from the community puzzle; i decided i want to make some loadouts to pair with this exotic sniper. Also Revenant act 1 was pretty short. Thank you for watching! I know every content creator says this, but I really mean it. Having you watch the things I make has been incredible! I...
Are the Best Builds Still Good In Revenant?
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Revenant launches tomorrow and I wanted to talk about the best builds to come from The Final Shape and episode echoes. So in this video we cover just that and how these build might transform or get dethroned with the launch of the new episode #bungie #destiny2 #revenant Thank you for watching! I know every content creator says this, but I really mean it. Having you watch the things I make has b...
These Are The BEST Weapons From The Final Shape and Echoes
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As Episode Echoes winds down, I wanted to look at what all of the best weapons to release during it's run time were. This includes things from both TFS and Echoes. So as we move into revenant we can see what was good, and then take that into next week with the new dungeon. Thank you for watching! I know every content creator says this, but I really mean it. Having you watch the things I make ha...
Eriana's Vow Just Got Some MAJOR Buffs
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Eriana's Vow is an exotic weapon that I don't believe is very popular. Despite numerous buffs over the years and some extremely large ones in recent history, i still don't see it often. So today we're looking at our current version of this exotic and looking at whether or not it's worth using. Thank you for watching! I know every content creator says this, but I really mean it. Having you watch...
This Is The OTHER Most Popular Loadout...
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After looking at the most popular loadout in the game, I decided it was time to check out what else people were using. What I saw and heard was that Graviton Lance and The Call paired really well together. And it turns out that was true. So today we look at that loadout how it performs and why you should try it. This Is The OTHER Most Popular Loadout... Thank you for watching! I know every cont...
Choir of One Loadouts Are Crazy...
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Choir of one is out and everyone is talking about it. Today we look at what weapons pair best with, and what doesn't. It's actually so potent it almost jeopardized the video. But even with that, we still analyse what works best. Thank you for watching! I know every content creator says this, but I really mean it. Having you watch the things I make has been incredible! If you would like to watch...
THIS Is the Most Popular Loadout In The ENTIRE Game...
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Today we're checking out THE most popular loadout in all of Destiny 2. I took this loadout across the end game into things like Lost Sectors, Nightfalls and Raids in order to figure out why its so popular and I've come to relay what I found. DIM: dim.gg/y64rcey/Most-Popular-Weapons Thank you for watching! I know every content creator says this, but I really mean it. Having you watch the things ...
Crowning Duologue Is WAY BETTER Than You Think!
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Crowning Duologue has returned with this year's solstice of heroes, and Bungie really juiced up its perks. A lot of talk has been going around with the addition and rework of grave robber, but this rocket is actually much better than just that one facet. @IanEvolution Thank you for watching! I know every content creator says this, but I really mean it. Having you watch the things I make has bee...
Titans are FINALLY Seeing Some Buffs!
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In just a few days, we should be getting the early August update. Inside of this update, we'll be receiving a number of sandbox changes with titan super buffs being chief among them. Today we're seeing how the current values pan out in order to understand how the hierarchy may shift. Thank you for watching! I know every content creator says this, but I really mean it. Having you watch the thing...
Is There A NEW God Roll For Warden's Law?
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Warden's Law has returned with some new perks alongside the new exodus crash GM. Today we are analyzing the new reprised weapon and finding out what the new god roll is. But what we discover is that the new perks don't matter despite the god roll changing. Thank you for watching! I know every content creator says this, but I really mean it. Having you watch the things I make has been incredible...
Which Rocket Sidearm Is THE BEST?
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Rocket Sidearms are the most popular weapon type by a mile. And it's understandable why. Today we're analyzing all 3 that exist and figuring which one is THE BEST. Thank you for watching! I know every content creator says this, but I really mean it. Having you watch the things I make has been incredible! If you would like to watch more, and think I am worthy of a position in your sub-feed, then...
There's A NEW Meta Loadout and it COOKS!
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The new artifact mods that launched with act 2 are incredbile. and with these new mods, I found and fell in love with a new loadout. This focuses on Dragon's Breath and the Ikelos Sniper Rifle. Thank you for watching! I know every content creator says this, but I really mean it. Having you watch the things I make has been incredible! If you would like to watch more, and think I am worthy of a p...
Song of Flame Is Getting BUFFED In Act 2!
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Still Hunt Isn't JUST For Hunters!
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Should You Grind MASTER Salvation's Edge?
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This Gives You PERMANENT Transcendence
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Chaos Reshaped Is The NEW KING Of Damage Perks
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  • @Its_Lonely07
    @Its_Lonely07 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    a fellow khvostov user 🫡

  • @cheaparts2011
    @cheaparts2011 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    looks good

  • @itsLumosASMR
    @itsLumosASMR วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is not an end game build.

  • @cl86241
    @cl86241 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You can get rid of whisper of Rime/Rending. Neither are needed. Instead, replace them with Whisper of chains/bonds. Those give you shards when you kill an enemy while having frost armor (which you always have anyways) and give you orbs when you kill frozen enemies (which is literally every enemy, minus cooldown).

    • @thecreature615
      @thecreature615 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      what about whisper of shards

  • @youngblackflare4395
    @youngblackflare4395 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How much dps would this do if u pop super stick anarchy and just throw shurikens

  • @majesticzealot1512
    @majesticzealot1512 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How would this work against barrier champs

  • @LAXEN9003
    @LAXEN9003 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Actually think they need to buff Wicked implement and Verglas curve, they do so little dmg overall.

  • @il0211
    @il0211 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great video! Can a free to play player get this exotic?

  • @Revadike
    @Revadike 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    One more tip: Don't use 2x invirgoration. It only gives +13% melee, while using invirgoration + absolution gives +15% melee AND +5% for all your other abilities!

  • @Revadike
    @Revadike 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    When they fix it, coldsnap grenade is probably the way to go, right?

  • @E.Fredericks
    @E.Fredericks 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Are you going to out out a warlock build for GMs? Is there a dawn chrous/polaris lance equivalent like we had back in wish?

  • @guyglenn3320
    @guyglenn3320 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I play pvp not pve but you think this would work on pvp ?

  • @haxelhimura
    @haxelhimura 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How is the quality of orb generation?

    • @ToidiDestiny
      @ToidiDestiny 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Not bad. Melees often kill the trash adds which spawns a good amount of orbs with triple heavy handed. There’s always enough orbs to keep the loop going for sure

  • @micketkeong
    @micketkeong 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hi, may i know how do I get this helmet? I google but can't find the right answer, thanks.

    • @ToidiDestiny
      @ToidiDestiny 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Reset rahools reputation and you’ll get a new focusing page that gives you the option to focus new exotics

    • @micketkeong
      @micketkeong 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ToidiDestiny I see, thanks for the info.

  • @mojomuss
    @mojomuss 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How do u get the mask

    • @Krasheenator
      @Krasheenator 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You must reset rahool ranks , when you reset, new exotic page show up. Then you will be allowed to get your exotic :)

    • @mojomuss
      @mojomuss 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Krasheenator ahh sweet thanks just checking I'm rank 15 with him so far

  • @BurningMoreXP
    @BurningMoreXP 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Monte Carlo might work better than Wicked Implement

    • @ToidiDestiny
      @ToidiDestiny 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      not a bad option, but I like the stasis synergy from wicked implement a lot more. Monte Carlo is more lethal though

    • @BurningMoreXP
      @BurningMoreXP 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ToidiDestiny Yes exactly, I feel that Monte Carlo is safer than Wicked Implement as well as it gives you back your melee ability which is the whole point of the build. 🤔

    • @cl86241
      @cl86241 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Nah, in GM/master level content, wicked implement is easily the better choice. You get the shard/melee synergy, but also have the added utility of a HIGH damage primary that can stun overloads AND unstoppable champs from a safe distance. Autos lack severely in that regard.

    • @BurningMoreXP
      @BurningMoreXP วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@cl86241 sure thing, Wicked is viable in higher end content.

  • @guillermopacheco5005
    @guillermopacheco5005 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How are people getting the new exotic armor ?? I’ve tried the master lost sector but I’m 20 under😢😢

    • @ToidiDestiny
      @ToidiDestiny 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You unlock new armor from rahool. Gotta rank him up

    • @guillermopacheco5005
      @guillermopacheco5005 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ToidiDestiny I just ranked past 16 yesterday and restarted

    • @guillermopacheco5005
      @guillermopacheco5005 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ToidiDestiny I didn’t realize there was another tab. So I got my helmet and I put the build together just like you said and OMFG the synergy , the survivability and the fun is amazing. I’m going to use the new stasis auto and salvations grip also to see how that stacks up. This build is much better than the one Kackis was pushing lol. You’ve earned a new sub !

  • @cmdrmeldoc59
    @cmdrmeldoc59 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I am using Ice Breaker with this build (I never run out of ammo or abilities tbh), so I opted for a more general ability spam build with this! Changed out Rending and Hunger for Refraction and Shards for 100% dodge uptime and 15-ish second cooldowns on my grenades. Paired with Coldsnap for some instant freezes. Works wonders with Ice Breaker obviously. I really like this version tho! It basically has intense focus on the melee, which makes sense due to the exotic, but it’s actually more impressive than I thought. Might switch it around a little and see what I end up with. Will be exciting to see how insane this build gets when the exotic works as intended.

  • @KevsOutside
    @KevsOutside 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I like verglass curve better.

  • @EngineeeeerGaming
    @EngineeeeerGaming 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Stellar video. Love this

  • @shauntopping7059
    @shauntopping7059 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nice build!

  • @2fresi
    @2fresi 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This build got me chilly🥶🥶

  • @krzysztofjanota5650
    @krzysztofjanota5650 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What do you mean end game ? I see onslaught gameplay loop in the background which can be cleared with any weapons without any skills. Show me a build in grandmaster nightfall and then we can talk if it's s-tier

  • @lukefarrell3
    @lukefarrell3 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    revenant

  • @Taythetitan
    @Taythetitan 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Could you showcase how well this build performs in a nightfall/grandmaster?

    • @Iamhimothy-11
      @Iamhimothy-11 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      No it doesn’t. He’s showcasing it in onslaught like 100 other TH-camrs because that game mode intrinsically has increased melee regeneration. He also keeps cycling through wave 1 -15ish & never shows 35 & up because the enemies get increasing harder & I’m sure this weak build fails miserably.

    • @Mateo_Vert
      @Mateo_Vert 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      GM not out yet tho lol

    • @JELZ617
      @JELZ617 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@Iamhimothy-11 you honestly couldn't be any more wrong. I've been using this build since day 1 of season (spent mats to get the mask) and it's great. The CC alone makes high end content a breeze plus the DR from frost armor let's you take hits. GMs aren't out yet but I've done this on expert onslaught to wave 50 with no issues.

    • @JELZ617
      @JELZ617 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@Iamhimothy-11also to add on, onslaught does not intrinsically give you melee energy. There's parts of the boss rounds if you're lucky that you can get a boost that recharges all abilities

    • @Iamhimothy-11
      @Iamhimothy-11 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Mateo_Vert upload that weak build in a Master lost sector. They show onslaught for a reason. The mask sucks

  • @tylermckeel4621
    @tylermckeel4621 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I never knew that kick starter mods don't work with double melee's. My build felt so off. Thank you!

  • @JefferyTrypes
    @JefferyTrypes 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Cabbage?

  • @WinterIsTilted
    @WinterIsTilted 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

  • @SilentNova_
    @SilentNova_ 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Beautiful build. Stasis Hunter enjoyers rejoice. Side note, Whisper of Rending is absolutely bullshit and should be built into the base Stasis kit.

  • @johnpenrose8678
    @johnpenrose8678 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I just unlocked this mask an hour ago and immediately found your build guide. Coincidence? Me thinks not. Cheers for a great presentation and build.

  • @ryankerrivan414
    @ryankerrivan414 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i think tithing harvest on the wicked implement as a cooldown or something because the shard doesn’t always spawn when i destroy a crystal

  • @NGFRIZZ
    @NGFRIZZ 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Try it on prismatic

  • @daycejohnson
    @daycejohnson 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Llama thumbnail and Aztecross music I respect the grindset

    • @JGburneraccount
      @JGburneraccount 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Honestly this is just basic destiny 2 content creator stuff at this point. The thumbnails and music etc are just copy's of a copy because...it works. Aztecross "music" is used by wayy more people than him wallahs editor started using alot of the same music before aztecross's did it's not really specific to one creator.

    • @daycejohnson
      @daycejohnson 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@JGburneraccount I’m not shaming him I just thought it was funny.

    • @JGburneraccount
      @JGburneraccount 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@daycejohnson fair.

    • @lavarockimages12
      @lavarockimages12 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      10 sub’s and yapping is crazy 🐁

    • @daycejohnson
      @daycejohnson 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@lavarockimages12 Can't a guy find something funny without some mongrel bitching in his ear?

  • @egbert5871
    @egbert5871 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    also getting a buff, the perk is broken and does not worth of frozen targets now only crystals

  • @MiniatureGhost
    @MiniatureGhost 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    W Video, don’t normally like stasis but I’m deffo going to give this a go!!! Thanks Toidi!!!

  • @OmolonFluidDynamicsEnjoyer
    @OmolonFluidDynamicsEnjoyer 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    0:30 LIGHTNING BOLT! LIGHTNING BOLT! LIGHTNING BOLT! MAGIC MISSILE! MAGIC MISSILE!

    • @tbcomics7515
      @tbcomics7515 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      LAKE OF FIRE! ARCANE BLAST! HAILSTORM

  • @ToidiDestiny
    @ToidiDestiny 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Have you tried out the new Mask of Fealty yet?

  • @Baysck
    @Baysck 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    🔥🔥

  • @jackjon3299
    @jackjon3299 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It's wicked implement truly required? I remember trying to get it back in the day and it was a NIGHTMARE

    • @ToidiDestiny
      @ToidiDestiny 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It works wonders with this build. I’d 100% use it if you can

    • @jackjon3299
      @jackjon3299 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I'll try and see if I can find a LFG running it, if not I'll run AS or the new stasis Scout rifle this season

    • @youngslorp
      @youngslorp 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@jackjon3299you can just pick it up for free from the exotic kiosk next to the vault in the tower

    • @nn.h
      @nn.h 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@jackjon3299u can buy wicked implement from the kiosk now

    • @BlaringKnight3
      @BlaringKnight3 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@jackjon3299its in the monument to lost lights in the tower right now. Deep dives are no longer in the game. You just need an exotic cipher and 100k glimmer.

  • @Scorch3000
    @Scorch3000 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    looks like I’m about to start my Winter Arc

  • @WinterIsTilted
    @WinterIsTilted 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

  • @jthegreat3627
    @jthegreat3627 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This weapon needs SERIOUS buffs, I put it back into my vault today it’s not good even with the artifact mods

  • @elijahowens25
    @elijahowens25 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wicked Implement had a moment to shine. What a swing & miss.

  • @bennievennievichie
    @bennievennievichie 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They act like the gun would be broken with anti barrier lol

  • @kingcurmudgeon8685
    @kingcurmudgeon8685 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It just doesn’t hit hard enough for my liking. Fun concept but feels mid

  • @paultanthony
    @paultanthony 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It would feel so much better with 5 more rounds at base. Just like your gameplay, I find myself auto reloading before the shards have time to track and refill the mag. Barely does it overflow. If it had a base of 20 instead of 15 that overflow would be more consistent

  • @sassydalmatian7706
    @sassydalmatian7706 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It might not have Anti Barrier this season (which should be fixed), but this weapon has always been a bit of a sleeper pick since the buffs, especially on Behemoth where you can hit the Shard cap way too fast. It is much easier to keep up Frost Armor with it since it has a totally different shard cooldown from Harvests, it has great anti-Champion capabilities, and it's just a nice feeling Scout. Hell, I'd even disagree with it not being as good in low level content just because Headstone shatters do so much damage these days, especially with Hail the Storm. Ironically enough though, I'll probably branch out from it a bit and get a weapon with Rimestealer-Headstone (I'll probably end up using the Ritual weapon) and pair it with Salvation's Grip (which has a new catalyst) to constantly keep Frost Armor up and spawn as many crystals as I can without crashing the game in low to mid level stuff while still using Wicked Implement for stuff like GMs.

  • @purewhiteloverbizarrejelly
    @purewhiteloverbizarrejelly 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Been looking for an exotic to pair Mask of Fealty with and Verglas Curve just felt more consistent

  • @xAbsynthex
    @xAbsynthex 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Always has been good

  • @joebaby9450
    @joebaby9450 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    let it be able to use barrier as well . otherwise zzz