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hyprland on nVidia: wayland window manager for gamers
Spoiler alert: Hyprland shows promise with minimal flickering and impressive gaming performance, challenging the traditional X11 environments. But does it outshine the stability and compatibility of X11 for hardcore gamers? Join me as we uncover the answers in this in-depth exploration.
timecode:
0:00 - is window manager good for gaming on Linux?
0:33 - Overview: why am I trying out Window manager for gaming?
1:04 - which distributions to use with Hyprland?
1:24 - installing nVidia priprietary driver on nixOS
1:53 - games to benchmark on Linux
2:19 - install hyprland with required applications on NixOS after nVidia driver
2:27 - costomize hyprland
2:49 - how to change HIDPI and refresh rate settings for hyprland
3:12 - hyprland User Experiments: does hyprland flicker with nVidia GPU?
3:39 - hyprland User Experiments: does hyprland flicker in game with nVidia GPU?
4:05 - setting up i3 on NixOS
4:33 - i3 configuration to use gnome applications
4:46 - i3 user experiments: does i3 flicker in game with nVidia GPU?
5:00 - x11 vs wayland window manager for gaming: i3 vs hyprland in linux gaming (with benchmarks numbers)
5:33 - hyprland vs i3 vs gnome (x11 and wayland) gaming benchmarks comparison
6:13 - should you use hyprland on nVidia GPU as a gamer?
6:59 - nVidia 555 driver on Linux, with wayland hyprland, is it good?
7:06 - AI generated script: why testing different DE/WM on linux gaming
7:31 - AI generated script: is wayland ready for gaming with nVidia GPU compared to x11?
7:57 - AI generated script: outlook of linux gaming
8:18 - AI generated script: why am I making Linux gaming video?
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  • @NotMurPh
    @NotMurPh 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    wow someone is doing benchmarks now

  • @spoobspoob2270
    @spoobspoob2270 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Your keyboard sounds phenominal! What switches do you use?

  • @philliplee7658
    @philliplee7658 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great content and I appreciate that you shared your methodology

  • @Alex-nx5wi
    @Alex-nx5wi หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice review! The Wayland support has come a long way and it works flawless now on my brand new laptop with hybrid nvidia! Even fractional scaling works really well now!

  • @DivaDivine88
    @DivaDivine88 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How to avoid having to be hardwired to your router

  • @mehmetugurcesme4352
    @mehmetugurcesme4352 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I still using garuda i installed 2 yrs ago

  • @fabricio4794
    @fabricio4794 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i wanna do a Android Gaming Benchmark on Blend OS,i wanna test if ican found bugs and stuff...

  •  หลายเดือนก่อน

    All regular user/gamer day-to-day software can be installed from their app store. Didn't find llvm, git, qemu, neovim though

  • @sher1x165
    @sher1x165 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can't wait for the new video about the state of Nvidia + Hyprland + NixOS, especially in terms of daily usage and your workflow!

    • @minecraftpufferfish9066
      @minecraftpufferfish9066 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I've been using this exact setup for around 8 months now, and I can confidently say that it's kinda bad. For context: - GTX 1070 - i5 9400F - 16 GB of DDR4 - Using NixOS unstable branch (rolling-release branch) in my flake (have tried running stable as well) - Proprietary Nvidia drivers (tried both the latest release and the stable release) Here are some issues I've encountered: 1. Shit breaks, and it breaks all the time. Well, sometimes it doesn't work in the first place. Every update is a gamble. Will it break? What will be the issue this time? Is it a NixOS issue? A Hyprland issue? A Wayland issue? An Nvidia issue? Some combination of the above? The worst part is that you're just left there waiting until the next commit which, hopefully, will fix your issue, which is different every time. Sure, you could roll back to the stable commit if you're using overlays, but it doesn't always work and it's a pain the in the ass. 2. The gaming performance is atrocious. Awful input delay and constant flickering issues. 3. Random miscellaneous issues, e.g. flickering, stuttering, input delay, crashes, etc. I installed XFCE alongside Hyprland a few weeks ago for gaming purposes, but over the last few days I've been using XFCE exclusively, and I've had no issues doing anything. NONE. You could give Hyprland a try, sure. But I have, and I'm a bit underwhelmed to say the least.

    • @sher1x165
      @sher1x165 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@minecraftpufferfish9066 So the main problem was basically how GTX 1070 worked on Hyprland(Wayland)?

    • @minecraftpufferfish9066
      @minecraftpufferfish9066 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@sher1x165 that main problem was basically that I constantly experienced problems and didn't know what exactly caused them. I am currenly using this exact setup, but I have tweaked some environment variables and everything seems to work decently, but not as well as KDE on Wayland.

    • @sher1x165
      @sher1x165 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@minecraftpufferfish9066 so now you're using Hyprland again?

  • @JamesSmith-ix5jd
    @JamesSmith-ix5jd 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is she from "girlfriend for an hour service"? I heard it's quite popular in China..

  • @hasirama
    @hasirama 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi I saw in one of your videos benchmarking Assassin's Creed Origins in CachyOS. Could you please share how you were able to play this game and make ubisoft connect work in CachyOS?

  • @johnpapa8554
    @johnpapa8554 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The reason we use it is if something breaks we can actually do something for it. And thats learning works!

  • @crausbeat
    @crausbeat 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you very much! So useful for me!

  • @sher1x165
    @sher1x165 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    why there isn't NixOS on a benchmark list? 🫠

  • @TheChessPatzer
    @TheChessPatzer 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    KDE Plasma cannot support dual-monitor workstations. It forgets the settings for the secondary desktop with every reboot.

  • @ViciLinKan
    @ViciLinKan 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This video is VERY useful! Knowing the problems someone can have after installing the OS and how to fix them with little effort is always better than trying out for yourself when you don't have much experience to begin with (in my case, with Linux in general).

  • @lassebq1
    @lassebq1 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The answer to video title - yes, objectively. As someone who prefers VSync, it caused me a lot of trouble on windows. Because for some reason whenever there's an artificial limit to framerate such as VSync, the GPU's frequency stays low. Seemingly because AMD driver on windows tries to "guess" whenever you're gaming or not. So when it sees low GPU utilization (such as with a framerate limiter) it doesn't let card accelerate which brought me stutter on windows. Uncapping FPS in the game fixes this issue. But it's just nonsense in my opinion. Linux has no issues with VSync and utilizes GPU properly.

  • @Alina_59
    @Alina_59 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for making this video bro😊

  • @bumbumbumdumbumdum
    @bumbumbumdumbumdum 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This channel has the linux gaming facts I crave.

  • @kyledupont7711
    @kyledupont7711 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can't believe Wayland is finally fixed, i'm using it right now, Steam and everything are perfect, better than X11 in some ways. I never thought I would see the day

    • @MumblingHugo
      @MumblingHugo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Haha, me too

    • @shubhambhanot5547
      @shubhambhanot5547 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@MumblingHugo hey buddy , i was going to sleep but search about this and found your video. I will surely see this in morning But can you help me i am trying to run hyprland on nvidia but its using intel integrated card and even i can share screen in google meet Too much problem tried every possible solution Please help me out brother I am using ARCH

  • @sitaroartworks
    @sitaroartworks 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Also, I don't like Calamares installer. The original openSUSE installer that few noobs complain about haves its logic as Yast itself is. Once you learn from the source, you never regret it.

  • @sitaroartworks
    @sitaroartworks 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Question is: do you want the impossible with a standardized and main stream like Windows or do you want to gradually tinkering, step by step and starting from (in this case) openSUSE Tumbleweed? The best choice never comes for newbies. Even the sequences on what do you need to install first is crucial. That's why I will always discourage people to chose these distro instead of the main independent ones. Wanna have the chameleon side? Go pure, go openSUSE. Wanna stay Debian? Go Debian 12 and above even if also Mint is a smart solution and more time saver, there is no shame in that. And so on. Tendentiously having the fully independent distro is something that build in your mind the IT education. The order and logic for any configuration system. Reading, learning and giving yourself the right time for your personal learning curve is a must. Linux isn't for newbies that "never have time to learn".

  • @eddyclow
    @eddyclow 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Missing the best CachyOS

    • @MumblingHugo
      @MumblingHugo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I put it in another video, have you seen th-cam.com/video/d5fpAOMxrrQ/w-d-xo.html

  • @dongetaro
    @dongetaro 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    offtopic but what's the best linux distro for gaming on amd? i tried endeavouros and it had lots of issues for me

    • @MumblingHugo
      @MumblingHugo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Gaming for me on AMD GPU was fine when I had one before, but in general my issue with AMD is that it needs additional tinkering for obs studio, I'd probably go with either nobara or PikaOS, as they both have optimization for AMD GPU

  • @GWFO
    @GWFO 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey bro please check out Aurora d1x ublue its so good😭 but note rpm ostree is slow, only use if you absolutely need something u can't get through other pkgs ,i use flatpaks and have a container with bazzite and it just works i have the DEV version of Auroroa on Plasma 6🫠 please review bro trust

  • @stevenrichman7101
    @stevenrichman7101 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As system76 devs are around here, here is an idea: i think some people (me included) would like to test the alpha/beta and report some bugs if found, but are more everyday users than pros. Maybe a section on GitHub, or a Video on how to: install and use latest version (as stated in the pinned comment) and how and where to report bugs would be beneficial. On the other hand: maybe thats exactly what you don't want as it could potentially create more overhead than actual benefit? Either way: happy bughunt!

  • @korigun
    @korigun 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Driver 555 fixes all flickering on wayland, I am running hyprland as daily driver and also have KDEplasma installed for gaming with HDR, I have both installed at least until HDR on hyprland, running on arch btw Edit: I have no issues switching between hyprland and plasma

    • @julioau
      @julioau 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And what about using gamescope?

    • @MumblingHugo
      @MumblingHugo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm using the same setup now on endeavour, no flickering found

    • @korigun
      @korigun 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@julioau gamescope right now is broken under 555, it crashes when games detect certain inputs, Nvidia made a comment on one of the forums, I don't remember if it was on nvidia page but it was from one of the official Nvidia accounts quote: 'we broke gamescope with an oversight on the 555 build, but it will be fix for 560 stable', so you either deal with wayland flickering 550 driver or deal with no working gamescope for 555 driver, pick your poison

    • @julioau
      @julioau 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@korigun I have an Nvidia GPU that supports 555, but for some reason, Optimus makes everything work all the time, no issues at all and I can verify that it's running things on the Nvidia GPU instead of the Intel one... Though that behaviour makes no sense to me, Optimus should only complicate things further... Anyways, on another note I recently uninstalled the driver and I'm getting 7+ hours of battery life on an i7 7500U and a 42Wh battery, which I find impressive :D

  • @jhonyortiz5
    @jhonyortiz5 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was an awesome overall loook at hyprlands current state. When it comes to day to day use I dont really notice a difference between hyprland, gnome, and kde.

  • @JohnnySacc
    @JohnnySacc 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great info, I ran into some issues as well on my single nvidia desktop. I'll check it out again in some time, it seems very promising.

  • @moneyisenergy
    @moneyisenergy 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for these tests

  • @christian80gabi
    @christian80gabi 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's really interesting. I recently installed Sway on my laptop running OpenSUSE with an Nvidia GPU to see if I'll get a better experience gaming on Wayland. I look like it's a "Yes" compared to my default DE - KDE. But I still experienced glitches while playing games (still an issue on Wayland + Nvidia driver). I hope to see the next driver 555.xx on OpenSUSE soon. If possible, can you do benchmarks on Sway vs. Hyprland vs. another DE on Wayland?

    • @MumblingHugo
      @MumblingHugo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I've been trying 555 on hyprland in endeavor this week, no flickering anymore but some minor issues when switching between hyprland and plasma

    • @christian80gabi
      @christian80gabi 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @MumblingHugo thank you for your answer. 😃

  • @ryanmundell3504
    @ryanmundell3504 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    great video I am thinking of going fully Linux gaming with friends is the only thing that holds me back. Even if there is a 5% loss in performance I will switch

    • @MumblingHugo
      @MumblingHugo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It depends on what games you want to play with your friends, I had no issues playing last epoch recently, Linux was loading new maps faster on my PC compared to theirs on Windows

    • @FedoraSilverblue
      @FedoraSilverblue 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      minecraft java on linux work faster than on windows

  • @TheAtoldasROCAS
    @TheAtoldasROCAS 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i highly suggest make a video about nvidia 555.xx drivers, it solves a lot of issues in Linux desktop enviroments.

    • @MumblingHugo
      @MumblingHugo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm thinking the same thing because I already have the setup with Endeavour OS, but I need to see how long it will take me to go through the major fix list, and how to make the comparison visible enough for people to understand. Probably doing it this weekend and see if I can catch the trend.

  • @stalker6617
    @stalker6617 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Really didn't expect gnome to win considering how bloated it is. Maybe window managers excell on ram limited systems...

    • @MumblingHugo
      @MumblingHugo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Me neither, I was surprised when the numbers were out, but I think hyprland will pass x11 gnome very soon

  • @shApYT
    @shApYT 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wonder why hypr is slower than gnome. I would've thought it would be lighter.

    • @MumblingHugo
      @MumblingHugo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I was surprised when the numbers were out, but I think hyprland will pass x11 gnome very soon

    • @skelebro9999
      @skelebro9999 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      GNOME is just the bigger project therefore more optimizations which means more FPS in games since more people try them in GNOME as compared to Hyprland.

  • @nash475
    @nash475 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Please don't call it an Alpha, because the alpha wasn't released yet! pre-alpha at best

    • @MumblingHugo
      @MumblingHugo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sure, changed the title

  • @mmstick
    @mmstick 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Make sure to also add the popdev:master staging repository, as the version of COSMIC in the release repositories is typically much older than the ones we're working on. It will fix all of the issues you reported here. sudo apt-manage add popdev:master sudo apt update sudo apt dist-upgrade

    • @MumblingHugo
      @MumblingHugo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks, will try it

    • @MumblingHugo
      @MumblingHugo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Pinning this comment, for others as reference

  • @jjdizz1l
    @jjdizz1l 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You've done your homework. I'm getting all the exact same issues. Especially freezing while playing videos.

  • @user-dz3ph7dl4m
    @user-dz3ph7dl4m 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    nvidia 555 and cosmic explicit sync soon?

    • @mmstick
      @mmstick 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It already did and it fixed all the issues.

    • @MumblingHugo
      @MumblingHugo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I've tried it on arch, not sure what's their plan to pull it in the popos repo

  • @sean721888
    @sean721888 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Have you tried Aerospace? They use something similar to i3wm

    • @MumblingHugo
      @MumblingHugo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sigh, I want to, but our company really doesn't like homebrew on the company machine, it will mess up with the dev settings, resulting in lots of restrictions in picking up applications, I'll setup homebrew in the home dir when having some time. Thanks for the suggestions.

    • @sean721888
      @sean721888 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MumblingHugo you can also build it locally, that is what I do too

  • @cypher0124
    @cypher0124 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    it looked like heroic had the LEAST fiddling of them all

    • @MumblingHugo
      @MumblingHugo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Maybe, but for me lutris is the easiest to migrate all the save files to new distribution

  • @cypher0124
    @cypher0124 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    so heroic is better than bottles and lutris?

    • @MumblingHugo
      @MumblingHugo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That would be your call, I'm just presenting how to use each one

  • @Aarav-ey4wf
    @Aarav-ey4wf 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    To get rid off the second and nonesxistant (unknown) display, I uninstalled and reinstalled the Nvidia drivers.

    • @MumblingHugo
      @MumblingHugo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Did it solve the issue once and for all?

    • @Aarav-ey4wf
      @Aarav-ey4wf 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MumblingHugo yes it did for me, but I can't say for certain it will work for you (but it likely will as it fixed it for me so still give it a shot). Just delete the driver, and restart, then reinstall (instructions on their website somewhere) and then restart. That fixed it for me.

    • @MumblingHugo
      @MumblingHugo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nice, thanks for that

  • @olokelo
    @olokelo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think it would be interesting to try switching her to Linux and making similar video about it :)

    • @MumblingHugo
      @MumblingHugo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I did try but failed, these are the things I've successfully made her stick to, I had videos making my father use Linux, he's been on it for 2 years now, no more windows since then

  • @shApYT
    @shApYT 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is really early alpha. I'm not sure if it is even cooked enough to compare their design of the desktop metaphor to other DEs yet. I'm sure they will get the technicalities perfect down the line but I'm more excited to see how they approach making a new desktop distinction from Gnome and KDE. Hoping for the best of both worlds. The pretty polished intuitive design of Gnome with the pragmatism of KDE. Make video of your opinions on their design and approach once it is more cooked.

    • @MumblingHugo
      @MumblingHugo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Right right, I started working on this video because in the system76 presentation, their CEO mentioned that they wanted people to test gaming on it, I'll try it again once it's fully out

    • @mmstick
      @mmstick 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's because the video was recorded with an older build of COSMIC. OBS and other issues are resolved in the current development builds.

  • @No_Underscore
    @No_Underscore 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    im glad youre back to windows 11

    • @sullenfps
      @sullenfps 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      why?

  • @kyledupont7711
    @kyledupont7711 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for going through the trouble to actually test the performance! I assumed when they were talking about performance they meant the desktop was snappier

    • @MumblingHugo
      @MumblingHugo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Agreed, that should be a better interpretation

    • @kyledupont7711
      @kyledupont7711 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MumblingHugo No, you did a good job, everybody just talks about how fast it is with no proof of that. I may install it anyway because I'm looking for an Arch distro that has an easy install process

  • @stalker6617
    @stalker6617 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The random second display you keep getting is the same issue I had. From my research it is something to do with Nvidia GPU and using their proprietary driver. Using the open source driver you shouldn't get the ghost monitor but also performance will suffer(for now). Edit: You can disable them with xrandr on X11. xrandr --output Unknown-1 --off You should possible be able to do it with ddcutil apparently but I don't know how.

    • @MumblingHugo
      @MumblingHugo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I see, thanks for the suggestions, I don't see the display in x11, I shall give it a try anyways

  • @jimjam4real
    @jimjam4real 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Flickering with NVIDIA and Wayland will, within the next few months or so, very likely cease to be a problem. NVIDIA's 555 proprietary drivers have finally exposed a new API, allowing for explicit sync directly with the hardware, and when implemented into the desktops as it is with Xwayland currently, should help to remove the vast majority of visual bugs experienced without it. It's already merged into KDE and Gnome, and are idle in the code until their next releases.

    • @MumblingHugo
      @MumblingHugo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oh that's good to know, the flicker issue is the only thing that stopped me from using Wayland now

    • @jimjam4real
      @jimjam4real 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MumblingHugo wlroots is going to take a while as we only recently had the major release of 0.17, and is targeting 0.18, so Sway and anything else using it will take some time, but the major desktops and Hyprland both seem to be implementing it relatively quickly :)

  • @user-dc9zo7ek5j
    @user-dc9zo7ek5j 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't get the wayland hype. I did not see what were your impressions, you talked about the bugs, but what does cosmic bring to the table? What makes it different, the UI only?

    • @MumblingHugo
      @MumblingHugo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hmm is my title too click baity? Maybe "a quick look" is better than "first impression" to fit my content? I was just checking the status of the alpha version. Sorry for tricking you to click on this.

    • @user-dc9zo7ek5j
      @user-dc9zo7ek5j 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MumblingHugo They have the same meaning :D Don't worry Hugo, still liked the video, even took a look at what cosmic is :)

    • @akshat8586
      @akshat8586 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wayland is just better bro, it would take years if we wait for it to be perfect. I'm using Gnome-Wayland on my Laptop with Ryzen 5 4600H and Dual GPU (Integrated and GTX 1650). It feels so much better than X11.

    • @MumblingHugo
      @MumblingHugo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I shall give it a try, thanks for suggesting

    • @VektrumSimulacrum
      @VektrumSimulacrum 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's less about what it brings to the table and more about System76 not having to deal with the Gnome team's BS. They have a reputation for being a PITA to work with. As far as Wayland goes it's newer and more secure than x11 since x11 has been pretty much dead in the water for years at this point.