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Love your discussions! On the topic of things getting weird, after 2 1/2 years of repentance and being born again I found myself standing in front of my ward on fast Sunday after a seven day fast, saying things that most non-born again members won’t understand, one thing that came out of my mouth was “the best kept secret in the church is the gospel“, I think I was almost as surprised to hear that as was my ward and the stake president and all those seated there. Yeah things can get a little different.

Great video again this week. Thanks a lot. I completely agree the priority is focusing our lives on becoming more like and closer to our savior and as we submit ourselves. Humbly to that, the spirit will show us how to great lesson. Thanks

I owe both of you a thanks/gift. My family was threatened at its very core today. I can't give specifics, but thru this podcast, I've received an answer to a prayer. You are in the service of your fellow man. I missed church today because I work the night shift. 33:31

Thank you both. I know you put this out 3 weeks ago. It just came up on one of my lists and it's very timely info. I'll give a thanks when I'm done listening.

Entropic spaces are the places where gods go to be tested and tried.

Fabulous! Thank you. I learn from every podcast.

44:15 exercising faith is not repentance, nor is repentance how one levels up. Repentance keeps one on the path. But the descent and assent to the next level is proving oneself valiant through trial, suffering.

I'm listening to this for the second time. Thank you for taking the time to share with the rest of us.

Bravo, you put yourself out there and make me think.

Last thought (loved all your thoughts by the way). Alma and Amulek were joint teachers. Alma taught things that pertained to Melchizedek priesthood principles and Amulek taught things that pertained to the Aaronic priesthood. If we struggle to understand the Melchizedek principles we need to first understand the aaronic principles. Alma taught about faith in Alma 32 and how to plant that seed in 33. But then Amulek takes over and teaches in Alma 34 to help the Zoramites understand Alma's words. Understanding better what Amulek taught will prepare us to be able to exercise faith on Alma's words. For example: one thing Amulek teaches is about the Atonement. By understanding the atonement of Jesus Christ better we will be able to better exercise real life changing faith.

The way we exercise faith is by believing (Alma 32:16). We refuse to believe when we are not humble, which is why Alma spent time discussing the importance of humility. If believing in something yields hope then we know that the seed is of God. Unbelief will not grow, even well intended unbelief. The longer we practice vanity by exercising unbelief the harder our heart becomes until we are in the chains of hell. How can we tell if we have faith? "If ye have faith [then you will] hope for things which are not seen, which are true.". Hope is the result of faith, not the action that produces faith. That leaves me wondering what does hope look like? How is hope different than wishful thinking? If I can't identify what real hope looks like I will likely not be able to identify faith.

It is people who commit adultery, not fornicators, that seek after signs when called to repentance. This isn't just talking about sex. Asking for a sign is like a married man asking for proof that he is actually married. The consequences can't be good when he knows he is violating his covenant with his wife. It seems to me if you've been enlightened by God because you've repented (2 Nephi 30:2) you are in a covenant relationship. If you forget that covenant and then ask for a sign when called to repentance it will not benefit you because you know better. If you are unmarried and asking your date for a sign that you are married, or want to be married, you get on your knee and propose.

The wayside is when we are in the chains of hell (2 Nephi 28:22). In this state our heart is in bondage because we have been flattered. Humbling this ground will require harrowing to remove this bondage. If we are not yet wrapped up in the chains of hell but instead are pacified (2 Nephi 28:21) by the gain we receive from our sins, I believe we can pray for the spirit to soften our heart as Todd was suggesting. Mosiah 3:19 describes the need for us to recognize ourself as an enemy to God first. The next step is yielding to the enticings of the spirit. If we already see ourself as an enemy to God we don't need to be harrowed and can ask for that spirit to soften our heart.

I feel bitter water is pride in long term envious, abuse of a true and good heart... as in the murder and lies of Kain and the honest heart of Able without guile

Not sure so let s try it

I love your discussions because it gives words to things I felt but did not have expressions for.

Love the ideas presented here on Priesthood, grafting and what turning our hearts to the fathers really means. Thank you.

This discussion is absolutely beautiful, thank you!

Cam and Todd. May the Lord truly bless you for sharing your spiritual insights and wisdom in this ministry to your audience! You really cause me to ponder deeply what kind of root I am providing for the branches of my posterity, My roots are very strong going back several generations, but I am fighting against the sins of this generation to keep the link of the roots to the branches nourished and intact! I have truly been led by the Spirit to the Shattering triangles series of podcasts. I look forward to every single one and I have since episode #1! You brothers are building Zion in a powerful way.

At one point in the discussion (around 1:09:00), you identify a similarity between (1) Ammon saying that King Lamoni’s wife had greater faith than all the Nephites and (2) Jesus saying to the Gentile woman (who sought a blessing for her child) that her faith was greater than all the house of Israel. Well, Jesus never said that to the woman. It reads: Matthew 15 24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 25Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. 26But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it to dogs. 27And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table. 28Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour. Here is want Jesus said to the centurion: Matthew 8 5¶ And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him, 6And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented. 7And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him. 8The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed. 9For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it. 10When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

A question was asked around 1:06:00 about why King Lamoni had a huge change of heart and Josh postulated that it was the miracles that convinced him. Alma 18 states 5Now this was the tradition of Lamoni, which he had received from his father, that there was a Great Spirit. Notwithstanding they believed in a Great Spirit, they supposed that whatsoever they did was right; nevertheless, Lamoni began to fear exceedingly, with fear lest he had done wrong in slaying his servants; 6For he had slain many of them because their brethren had scattered their flocks at the place of water; and thus, because they had had their flocks scattered they were slain. He began to be harrowed up in his sins, which I believe was a major reason for him crying for mercy in verse 41.

Thank you both for this great video and discussion. Josh, thank you in particular for sharing the story you did. Far too rare are the details of process and timeframe when seeking blessings. That kind of information and detail is greatly lacking and desperately needed by many people.

Could the reason Alma spent time at Amuleks home be that they had Heavenly visitors, received added ordinances. Their bodies were changed - translated?. Could the word 'filled' be code? Think on this.

A great book on the Abrahamic/New and Everlasting Covenant is Finding Promised Blessings on the Covenant Path by Kerry Muhlestein.

The wisdom of the fathers holds the keys of knowledge for how we become one with the Father. It's all about the inner work that must be done to come into alignment with Him. This knowledge is available to those spiritually prepared to receive it but it's not being taught at church. Coming into alignment with the Father is the Living Way. It's life enhancing and joyful. Our patriarchal imbalance is the source of all of our suffering. At church the focus is on obedience to the law and on ritual performance. Fundamentalism is not the way to the oneness Jesus says we can have. The wisdom of the Fathers is actually the sacred feminine wisdom and supports healing, transformation, and our spiritual ascension.

Why doesn't God intervene "sooner"? I believe it's because He is a Divine Parent who loves ALL his children and wants to ensure all the time needed for us to grow & become. He's raising His children & just as it is sooo difficult for us as parents to "cut a child off" let alone banish them to outer darkness, burn them as stubble etc. His love is so incomprehensibly vast & good for all His children, He waits for us to grow ...& trust in our Divine Parents.THATS why the awful sacrifice/gift of His only Begotten, our Savior & redeemer is SO AMAZING! AMAZING GRACE that saves wrenches like us~ and what gives me better understanding of the word WORSHIP.

Maybe the "monster" guys were the buddies or Moms of those Ammon slew.

I so enjoy your podcast and am so thankful someone suggested this to me…I would like to share with you my opinion about your microphones. Something is really wrong… sounds like ur talking through a long plastic tube and then it ebbs and flows in and out. Please fix the sound of your podcast. I’m getting older and sometimes hearing is affected as we older but the quality isn’t great. Don’t know what’s going on. Anyway I hope you can get it fixed.

After 12 days without food and water maybe you're not going to be able to talk.

The families were slain because their fathers had been stoned and driven out by their neighbors who worshipped their attorneys who were a constant parasite to them and they knew it not. The men were not there. Abinadi reviled the king, Alma/Amulek reviled the attorneys. Have you ever triggered somebody by saying something about their President or the Police or their armies and navies? Back the Blue "Murica! I disagree that wielding the sword of justice is ever a bad thing I unless I am commanded not to. I believe extra power was "given to them for their missions here" but not exercised until they were cast into prison ect. Ammon wasted no time in ridding the neighborhood of some bullies.

I seal you up unto me, go and sin no more. (from the Father)

What you guys have learned by faith and by study has changed the way I see the gospel, and I am very grateful for that. Please keep sharing what you know. It serves to increase faith in God and in Jesus Christ.

What does slow mean to God.

You mentioned another youtube video by a Jocelyn Henderson about Abish. Would you have the time to link or specify her account where we can find the video, please? I've looked and didn't come up with anything.

Maybe use better microphones. I hate to skip this episode but it’s difficult to hear.

Great insights Cameron and Todd. As someone who finds much benefit in the shattering triangles content, AND as someone who recently accepted the covenant of the remnant movement of which Denver Snuffer is associated, I was delighted to see the overlap of ideas as it pertains to this spirit of Elijah; Namely that this spirit is principally about the necessity of going back to the beginning to restore the original religion, and sealing ourselves to the patriarchal fathers in Heaven (Adam, Seth...), not to our kindred dead. The only main difference that seemingly was left out was the many post-1836 quotes by Joseph of Elijah's future coming. As always, I look forward to further discussions. God bless!

Help me understand. I thought one of the attributes of being faithful to the Davidic Covenant (fullness of the priesthood) was divine protection for you and your immediate family. A type of this is Noah. I thought the women and children being thrown in the fire were those who did not have a covering or faithful priesthood protection. This is what Ruth was seeking from Boaz. Are you saying that Alma and Almulek were watching their own families being consumed in the fire? I thought it was pretty clear that unfaithful men put their families at peril. Isaiah 9:17 New King James Version (NKJV) Therefore the Lord will have no joy in their young men, Nor have mercy on their fatherless and widows; For everyone is a hypocrite and an evildoer...

Thank you all for your beautiful messages each week, they are a highlight for my studies 💗 Also, the audio is pretty garbley... maybe everyone getting a small mic while recording would be helpful?

It is true that hearing the word of God, is very important to our salvation, but there are no prophets on earth today, if there was the bible would have told us so, Hebrews 1: 1-2 "Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world." The prophets ceased to play a part after the New Testament, we now have the Word of God, the scriptures, we can have personal revelation through the scriptures, this must line up with the scriptures 100% of the time. We are to test everything, if it contradicts the bible, it is false teaching.

Thank you!

Thank you for sharing you knowledge with us, much appreciated!!

I’m a glutton.I can feast all day! 2 hours is just getting warmed up!😂 Look forward to your vids.

Like you guys already said, it means a lot more in the lectures on faith when they describe the ages of Adam and his righteous sons. You realize how long they were alive living together. I just love the idea of "the fathers". I often think of becoming a partaker in their divine nature, becoming like them. It's so amazing to think of the true expanded meaning of the spirit of Elijah... Connecting to the fathers like Abraham did, receiving the same promises. Thank you for those wonderful thoughts.