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Dlatrex Swords
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A place to learn about sword history and other fun things!
Together we can learn about historical swords, their history, design, as well as efforts to recreate past swords by modern makers.
Let's put swords through their paces, and see what the statistics tell us!
Together we can learn about historical swords, their history, design, as well as efforts to recreate past swords by modern makers.
Let's put swords through their paces, and see what the statistics tell us!
Stiffness in swords: how is it measured?
A shout out to Michael Monroe who asked this question regarding his Balaur Arms arming sword.
Also, check out the research done by Sean Franklin on the science behind flex testing.
swordstem.com/2020/12/22/difficulties-with-sca-flex-test-and-buckling-test-for-measuring-blade-stiffness/
0:00 Intro
1:03 What is stiffness
3:00 Black Fencer test
7:08 Flex tests on swords
12:25 Bonus round: sabres
13:30 Parting Remarks
Also, check out the research done by Sean Franklin on the science behind flex testing.
swordstem.com/2020/12/22/difficulties-with-sca-flex-test-and-buckling-test-for-measuring-blade-stiffness/
0:00 Intro
1:03 What is stiffness
3:00 Black Fencer test
7:08 Flex tests on swords
12:25 Bonus round: sabres
13:30 Parting Remarks
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Sword art: The Swordsman Boutique Review
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Today we are reviewing this print from The Swordsman Boutique swordsmansboutique.com/products/copy-of-ming-dynasty-the-battle-against-piracy-painting-left-section-framed-art-print Very kindly provided by Darren this is a high quality print of an important piece of Chinese history, showing us key details about both Ming Military and "Pirate" weapons that occurred between the Wokou ("Japanese" pi...
Sword Tips Tested
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Here we experiment the relative thrusting ability on a variety of different swords, with slightly different sword 'tips'. Featuring: Albion Gaddhjalt albion-swords.com/product/the-gaddhjalt/ Albion Oakeshott albion-swords.com/product/the-oakeshott/ Balaur Arms 15th Century Italian Longsword www.kultofathena.com/product/balaur-arms-15th-century-italian-longsword-3/?srsltid=AfmBOopTox9Tz8KyWrAVrr...
Hey sword friends, thanks very much!
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Woah, when did we hit 2000 subscribers? Thanks to everyone who had dropped by and chatted about swords!⚔️
Flamberge testing: Textiles redux
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Here we give another round of testing swords against 'fabric armor'. In this case rather old denim jeans. Swords featured are the LK Chen Longquan Jian and the Lutel Katzbalger Flamberge.
Sword unboxing: custom smith
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A sneak peak at 3 lovely swords sent for review by swordmaker Eric Estlund of Winter Cutlery. www.wintercutlery.com/ These are gorgeous pieces, and showcase some of the range of the talent he is able to produce. I do not believe I have taken the time to review bespoke pieces like this from a custom smith previously on my channel, so this is an absolute treat, and it is difficult not to fall in ...
Historical accounts for Katana vs Rapier: reply @scholagladiatoria @LondonLongsword (Reupload)
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Historical accounts for Katana vs Rapier: reply @scholagladiatoria @LondonLongsword (Reupload)
Giant Mystery Katana: Custom order from Swordis
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Giant Mystery Katana: Custom order from Swordis
Flamberge Tested! Response to @Skallagrim
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Flamberge Tested! Response to @Skallagrim
Swords vs. Pumpkins 2024: Thrust testing
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Swords vs. Pumpkins 2024: Thrust testing
Sword Review: Albion Kern the Irish Ring Pommel Arming Sword
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Sword Review: Albion Kern the Irish Ring Pommel Arming Sword
Cutting and Preview of Balaur Arms : Knights Templar Arming Sword (Re- upload)
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Cutting and Preview of Balaur Arms : Knights Templar Arming Sword (Re- upload)
LK Chen British 1796 Light Cavalry Sabre: Review!
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LK Chen British 1796 Light Cavalry Sabre: Review!
Albion Swords: Are they worth the wait?
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Albion Swords: Are they worth the wait?
Historical Accounts: Sword use during the Crusades
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Historical Accounts: Sword use during the Crusades
Swords really do go Schwing? Reply to @scholagladiatoria
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Swords really do go Schwing? Reply to @scholagladiatoria
Success with the cutting rig finally!
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Success with the cutting rig finally!
Time to make a Messer of things: Landsknecht Emporium Gottfried Messser
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Time to make a Messer of things: Landsknecht Emporium Gottfried Messser
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17:06 This is probably why swords from the gladius to the migration era "Viking" sword didn't have much of a guard. If you didn't block with your shield the sword was likely to bend or break.
We do have some accounts of sword on sword action from Viking sagas which might be fun to look at in a future video.
15:31 Car crash physics. The most force would be when both swords are swung with power and both impact. Essentially you get the force and leverage from both fighters concentrated in one spot.
@@WhatIfBrigade yep: perhaps slightly less common in these fight systems then attack-defend, but striking into the cut should generate even more force in the weak of the blade!
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I think I might be testing this method on a few antiques soon! Very interesting, as always.
Pls do, we can't wait to see the result.
@haixianglong6117 Glad to hear that!
Truly a top notch location
I gots to get me one a dos 🤘💀 I like what you did with the pommel!
Nice carving! The result speaks for itself.
HE HIT it so hard that we did not even see it
Shamshir sword he Arabian sword not Iranian his Arab
For some reason it is not displaying stats from my buddy Damoklese so i am reposting his comment for anyone who cannot view it. More data for you and anyone who is interested : Albion Doge: 9.2 kg Albion Yeoman 16.7 kg Crown Forge Langmesser 16.2 kg Leonardo Daneluz Spatha 31.0 kg Peter Johnsson type X 14.1 kg In'carius Craft Geibig 14 14.0 kg DelTin St Maurice (modified) 10.1 kg Albion Arn 13.9 kg Vince Evans Type X 22.3 kg Roninkatana Euro 10 15.1 kg Albion Ulvbane 12.4 kg Jindřich Figura Geibig 14 13.9 kg Albion Principe 12.9 kg Albion Chieftain 13.2 kg Albion Brescia Spadona 12.3 kg Albion Baron 9.7 kg Krieger F2 Falchion 16.6 kg Windlass M1796 LC 6.6 kg LKChen Tang Heng Dao 20.9 kg LKChen Flying Phoenix 12.7 kg
More data for you and anyone who is interested : Albion Doge: 9.2 kg Albion Yeoman 16.7 kg Crown Forge Langmesser 16.2 kg Leonardo Daneluz Spatha 31.0 kg Peter Johnsson type X 14.1 kg In'carius Craft Geibig 14 14.0 kg DelTin St Maurice (modified) 10.1 kg Albion Arn 13.9 kg Vince Evans Type X 22.3 kg Roninkatana Euro 10 15.1 kg Albion Ulvbane 12.4 kg Jindřich Figura Geibig 14 13.9 kg Albion Principe 12.9 kg Albion Chieftain 13.2 kg Albion Brescia Spadona 12.3 kg Albion Baron 9.7 kg Krieger F2 Falchion 16.6 kg Windlass M1796 LC 6.6 kg LKChen Tang Heng Dao 20.9 kg LKChen Flying Phoenix 12.7 kg
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I used the same method. 1. Antique British 1796 light cavalry sabre: 10.6kg, and 11.3kg if I force the flex to occur on the other side (so there's a preferential side for the flex, the curvature also is an issue for this one). 2. Albion Brescia Spadona: 18.5kg (makes sense since this is a triangular blade with a stiff anti-armour type blade) 3. Albion Machiavelli: 9.4kg (feels stiff) 4. LK Chen Ribaldo: 7.6kg (it has about 7cm more length on the Machiavelli for the same type of blade; less stiff, but it feels good and as I expect such a longer side-sword to feel) 5. Windlass Christus Imperat Rapier: 5kg (this feels floppy like a noodle; and flex is not everything, its spring nature feels bad; hard to describe) 6. For my HEMA trainer, one-handed side-swords are almost always 9kg (3 different makers; basically same flex), and a longsword feders is 13kg (seen as a bit on the threshold of being too stiff in the community that prefers more 11kg). I also have a semi-custom Black Fencer rapier with a 114cm blade, which flexes at 9kg, seen maybe as too stiff for a rapier trainer that usually has only about a 7kg flex. As a last thought, I like a bit of a flex in cut-focused side-sword blades, they feel more authentic for the 1500s, but probably that's more to do with the correct weight distribution on the blade as the good quality steel of the period allowed for quite thin blades. At the same time, a bit of flex in thrust-focused blades feels bad; I need to feel that I push through before I feel the blade bending. And no, I didn't expect the Machiavelli to have the same flex as a trainer since they do feel different as blades go; so flex is definitely not the entire picture.
13:26 "One of these sabers is not like the others, of these swords is just not the same." 🤣 Cold Steel out here making the 1796 Light Calvary Katana.
Hate to correct you, but heat treatment has virtually no impact on the elastic modulus (ie, "stiffness") of carbon steels, nor most (possibly even all) tool or stainless steels. For all intents and purposes, a sword's stiffness is determined solely by its geometry, with minor contributions from the choice of alloy, though the moduli of almost all steels used in swords are within 5% of each other. This is a common misconception that likely stems from heat treatments' effect on the yield point (ie, how much the metal can be deformed before it can no longer spring back into its original shape). Metals tend to behave like they aren't as rigid when they're permanently deforming, and the more a steel is hardened, the higher its yield point and the more force is required to put it into that "bendy" state.
@@irrelevantfish1978 I’ve made this mistake before! For some reason I get it in my head that only steel type is negligible to Young’s Modulus and that HT should still impact it. I suspect that it is because on historical examples, prior to spring tempering there is a tendency to make more “robust” cross sections, so I associate such HT with stiffer blades. Oops.
@@dlatrexswords Don't feel bad, as you're in good company. I've heard two other prominent Swordtubers make the exact same mistake. Materials science can be quite counter-intuitive, at times.
Of course there's steel typing for modern replicas. 1045 carbon steel's generally the lowest to go. 1040 much of the time makes a sword blade too soft. 1095 results in hard hitting swords and a blade that's not too much less flexible. Though they're more vulnerable to breaking due to increased brittleness. Stainless steel for the purposes of a sword is too resilient to bending and thus alot more likely to fracture. No surprise spring steel; otherwise known as 5160 steel, is excellent for this, but is notably more expensive. There are currently a couple of Asian sword designs that are made with T10; which falls between 1095 and spring steel. Though T10 hasn't been perfected yet. As for the sword-like objects epee and foil, the modern designs being extremely flexible is highly beneficial.
Now thats a knife
The best way I have found is to put the blade into a standard flex rig with degree markings & then use a hanging scale attached to the pommel to see how many lbs are required to flex the blade to the same degree mark. However how much flex one wants can indeed vary quite a lot from sword to sword, user to user, task to task.
That's a good way to measure relative stiffness if you have a baseline angle you like, for sure. It's probably the fastest way to measure when producing runs of blades.
Finding the least amount of force needed to flex a blade is interesting, but I’m really interested in the minimum force needed to bring a blade to critical failure, be it bending or breaking. Though, you’d probably go through many swords to find that out.
@@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699 hahaha sounds like a very expensive test!
That's the yield strength and requires a test to failure
The least amount of force required to flex is also useful to get an idea of how floppy or rigid the sword feels/responds while in use. Receiving a strike on the flat with a wobbly sword feels unstable, while some stiffer blades can use the flat to receive a strike or issue beats. What would be really nice is to compare both the least amount of flex required and the force required for plastic deformation or snapping. Something like a katana with a traditional heat treatment has a much higher initial resistance to flexing, but may deform at a level of strength lower than that of a spring tempered sword.
I think its a shame you have neglected to property review your Peserey Shamshir! I got one about the time you released your pumpkin cutting short... nobody's talking about this guy. Why? Wait, maybe I should become a swordtuber...?
@@1799to1815 the Peserey kilij? Its been featured in many videos and is a dear sword. Just a case of too many swords too little time!
Really fun video! Its interesting to see how much edge geometry and cross section effects thrusting.
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I just purchased one myself and I feel like it’s much more flexible than the one I see in your video. When you’re pointing the sword at the camera, it doesn’t look like it droops downward much while the one I have significantly drooped when held horizontally. Also, the one I have wiggles around a lot when you shake it in the direction of the flat, definitely whippy just wondering if the one you have is like like that as well.
@@michaelmonroe5972 not particularly whippy: do you have a digital scale? You can perform a black fencer flex test to evaluate blade stiffness if so.
I do have a digital scale. I’ll do the test. I believe the one I have from the measurements I’m taking is a little bit thinner near the cross-section. I’m getting about 5 mm not 5.7 like a lot of other people are getting and it’s a little thicker at the tip I’m getting about 2.2 mm at the tip also mine weighs 2 lbs. 4 oz. which is a good 5 ounces less than what’s listed on the website which on a sword this thin probably makes a big difference. I think I’m just gonna buy another one and compare the two but thanks for your reply. I will do the test as well.
@@dlatrexswords I did the black fencer flex test and got between 6-7 kg at deflection which is at the low end of the spectrum. I’d be interested to see what the sword in your video registers at.
@ I’ll make a short video on this when I get home just for you.
@@dlatrexswords awesome can’t wait
9:50 I’m not sure that I agree with this assessment. The only (truly!) famous Japanese warrior/Daimyo to have (occasionally) wielded a sword without tsuba is Uesugi Kenshin; and most illustrations of Kenshin show him with typical tachi/katana - i.e. with tsuba. This was of course in the latter part of the Sengoku Jidai / last part of the Muromachi period.
I agree, among primary daito (tachi), this does not appear to be a very common type of mounting during the muromachi, and you are right we don't see it for the 'primary swords' of many of the famous bushi of the periods. But artwork is replete with examples of both aikuchi dressed swords worn sashizoe (both short and long), as well as primary swords without tsuba being used by ashigaru. This is backed up by archeological evidence, and Marksu Sesko has a good write up discussing the cache of Muromachi period swords discovered in Horyu-jin temple in Nara, where hundreds of 'original state' blades were discovered, many of rather humble production. A large fraction of these are aikuchi mount, in a variety of sizes.
@@dlatrexswords could it be that the temple was such a popular place to donate swords, they had aikuchi mounts for the sake of storage. Another comment here made a good point about how tsuba are inconvenient for storage. Although we do see it in art a decent amount. I wonder if the difference comes down to the wealth of the user. From the ones I’ve seen, the swords with no tsuba are usually used by people in little armor. Since equipment is usually funded by the individual, perhaps not having a tsuba is a way to cut on costs?
@ yes, I agree (as always) survivorship bias could be at work, but that’s true for the rest of our mounts as well. It cuts both ways. Could this be a storage phenomenon, similar to shirasaya being a “slim” packaging? Maybe, but again this type of mounting is familiar even prior to the Muromachi, and just taking off a tsuba will not seat the rest of the koshirae the same as if it is designed to actually socket together. The swords at the shrine (I believe) exhibit both true aikuchi and “missing tsuba”. As to the type of people, yes I agree I general this seems to be associated with lower wealth/status individuals during the Muromachi. This lines up with many of the swords that might make it to China either as low quality exports or as those being carried by exiled pirates. We have drawings from Ming manuals that appear to show “wodao” as medium length blade, and describe how to manufacture them as “hira-zukuri” (single bevel). This lines up with what we know was popular in Japan during the Ming. Maybe I’ll post a picture to community.
@@dlatrexswords yeah when we see archeological artifacts, we’re only seeing it after its last modification. It could’ve had a whole history of changes before it was found and all we can do is speculate. On speculation, I think there is a third type that may be present at the shrine. You mentioned true aikuchi and missing-tsuba koshirae, but I think there can be a third option of koshirae. The presence of missing-tsuba koshirae tells us they removed the tsuba for a reason. That could be a myriad of different reasons, but the one we’re considering is to slim down the profile. Whether it be the donator or the people who maintain the shrine, I wonder how hard it would be for them to order a hamidashi tsuba for the sword. Or to take the preexisting tsuba and have a smith cut it down to a hamidashi tsuba. The only difference to my knowledge between a aikuchi and a typical uchigatana koshirae is the tsuba, so perhaps some of the seemingly true aikuchi were only that way shortly before being stored. I agree the majority were likely true aikuchi, but we should still consider the possibility of this third option.
8:45 - that bow could simply be a longbow instead of a Yumi. Longbows of a selfbow variety (eg. made from a single piece of wood) were pretty common in Southern China because they were easy to make and easy to maintain in southern China's warm and humid subtropical climate. Since most of the pirates by this time were Chinese, then they would've come from the southern coastal regions and would be familiar with longbows.
I wonder if the absence of guards was more common on ships due to how much easier storage would be. I mean, storing swords with disk-guards is annoying at the best of times, but when you have to store a bunch of them together in very limited storage space that is constantly rocking, rolling, and bouncing? Sounds like a giant PITA, at best.
Good to see the quality of the print and framing! I think the flared swords on the chinese boat may be connected to the Song dynasty podao / shoudao, but difficult to say for sure!
That's really cool! 🤘💀 and it does make me wonder if they were dual wielding? Probably, I would say... probably. But who knows
I know there was one account written in one of the books in Saturnino Monteiro's Batalhas e Combates da Marinha Portuguesa series, of a montante versus several swordsmen. But I can't seem to find it atm, sorry.
Not bad. Framing in itself can be expensive to have done. Art is quite a hard thing to judge though. It's all about where society is at the time on how popular something will be.
I am the wild life of Florida LOL
I feel the dual wielding swords is a product of the Chinese artist or that individual is experienced in Chinese style swordsmanship. While Japanese swordsmanship does have dual wielding, it is with a longer and shorter sword. From what I’ve seen, there aren’t any Ryu that use 2 of the same length blade whereas that can be seen in Korea and China. In addition, we see that in China across several centuries and with various blade types. From the small butterfly swords to even 19th century European-style sabers.
Yes, you got a good point, on the pirate side, we see they were equipped with Japanese weapons but used them in Chinese martial art logics properbly.
Very good big chap😊
"Aduarte" is a very peculiar name. If it's anything like portuguese Dom Eduarte, it comes from english "Edward", which is very odd for a Zaragoza middle tier nobleman.
Thank you for providing the recording and data of this experiment. I've always been curious about this. 😂
Great video!
ho damn! that thing cuts fantastic 🤘💀 beautiful sword!
I like that you are very aware of the rigour level when it comes to the scientific method... below MythBusters (I love that you took a jab at them, that show was not that scientific even when they were trying; still fun to watch though 😅). But for real, once you stated that and talked a bit about the aspects that can affect the results, it made me enjoy the artistry of the test even more. 😇
I do science by day. Calling this science is stretching it a bit ;-)
@@dlatrexswords I kinda guessed... I mean, it's quite obvious. :)
Very cool video! I think these comparisons are really useful, thank you!