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Italian Citizenship: Why Going to Court Might Be Your Best Option
In this episode of A New Life in Italy, I’m diving into one of the most complex and, let’s face it, daunting aspects of the citizenship journey: claiming Italian citizenship through the court system. If you’ve traced your family roots back to Italy and are eager to secure your citizenship, you might have already run into obstacles like the infamous 1948 rule or endless wait times at your local consulate. The truth is, for many, the best path forward lies in navigating the Italian legal system-a process that can seem overwhelming but is often the most efficient way to achieve your dream.
I break down the two main reasons people take their citizenship cases to court: the 1948 rule and what’s known as the "no appointment" case. The 1948 rule applies if you have a female ancestor who couldn’t pass on her citizenship before January 1, 1948, due to outdated laws. If that’s your situation, applying through the consulate will almost always lead to rejection, leaving the court as your only option. The "no appointment" case, on the other hand, is for those stuck in limbo with wait times so long at their consulate that they’re forced to ask the courts to step in and take jurisdiction.
To help make sense of it all, I’m joined by Terry Wilson, our head citizenship expert. Terry breaks down the ins and outs of the court process, including the documents you’ll need and what to expect in terms of timelines-usually 18 months to two years. While it might sound intimidating, Terry explains how the court route is often faster and less frustrating than dealing with the consulate, especially if you’re applying with multiple family members and can share the costs.
We also dive into the many benefits of pursuing citizenship through the courts. You don’t need to appear in court yourself, you can include your entire family in one petition, and well-prepared cases typically have very favorable outcomes. Of course, there are challenges too-like dealing with naming discrepancies or gathering the right documents-which is why having a qualified Italian lawyer by your side is so important.
Before wrapping up, I share some practical tips for anyone considering the court route. We talk about the importance of hiring a specialized lawyer, budgeting realistically for the costs involved, and preparing for the bureaucracy that comes after you’ve won your case.
If you’re feeling stuck in your citizenship journey or just exploring your options, this episode is packed with insights to help you move forward with confidence. Let’s demystify the court process together and get you one step closer to claiming your Italian citizenship.
Resources:
Italian Citizenship Help (smartmoveitaly.com/citizenship)
Visa Guide Book (smartmoveitaly.com/visasexplained)
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  • @luciodeluca3257
    @luciodeluca3257 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you for such an informative podcast!

    • @smartmoveitaly
      @smartmoveitaly 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Our pleasure!

  • @searchingforwhatislooking
    @searchingforwhatislooking 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    And they have access to real food without all the chemicals that are killing us. These people are wise much wiser than most.

  • @sandymcgregor8858
    @sandymcgregor8858 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Being older what happens if you get sick? I find this scary but a reality. My sister had a terrible time in a Spanish hospital!!

    • @smartmoveitaly
      @smartmoveitaly วันที่ผ่านมา

      We have an episode on healthcare in Italy, you can listen to here www.sentiremedia.com/show/anewlifeinitaly/s2-ep-7-navigating-italian-healthcare-as-an-expat/

  • @quantum1953
    @quantum1953 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Everything is better than the United terrorists.

  • @KDSchiester
    @KDSchiester 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The title is a rhetorical question right? OF COURSE IT IS. The USA is a Sh---e. Left there 4 years ago and don’t ever want to go back. 😅

  • @KDSchiester
    @KDSchiester 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great podcast! I’m an American living in italy….moved here in 2022. Well, got caught driving on my USA license which I did for about two years. I was rear ended, police were nice, but cost me about 500 Euro’s in fines. They also CONFISCATED and sent my license back to USA. Also, I got a fine for my international drivers license (misnomer, it’s just a translation and nothing else) is only good if it’s from AAA, which can be done with a AAA application printed from the web, but it’s snail mail only. I got a fine for having a non AAA international driving permit from some other online company which sends you an official looking credit card sized card, with your photo and it looks all official. Well those little plastic cards mean ZERO….zero. They even asked to keep it in a sincere way so they could show their DMV type people what scams are out there. It must be AAA.

  • @alecharper515
    @alecharper515 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Very interesting. Thanks.

  • @arezoobigdeli
    @arezoobigdeli 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This video was so insightful. I am impressed.💕

  • @TerryToole
    @TerryToole 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Brava ❤ the podcast. You’re an excellent communicator. I married my Italian wife at commune in Sansepolcro in 2012, her grown children and 1 grandchild live there. We are now retiring, plan to have residence in Italy and her birth country of Egypt, now I understand how to plan the Italian process. 😊

    • @smartmoveitaly
      @smartmoveitaly 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks Terry and congrats on your retirement!

  • @rebeccagutierrez1960
    @rebeccagutierrez1960 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm so happy for you. I love Italy. I was vacationing there right when everything got shut down because of coronavirus. So I almost got stuck in Italy. That would have been nice.😂

  • @SharylForster-om5uw
    @SharylForster-om5uw 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What a beautiful couple ! What a great adventure ❤

  • @Glammamc
    @Glammamc 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    . ❤❤❤❤❤❤from Ottawa ❤❤❤❤❤

  • @stevendaniel8126
    @stevendaniel8126 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    No......

  • @alberto19761
    @alberto19761 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    is that even a question?

  • @robe8591
    @robe8591 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hardly. Italy’s economy hasn’t grown since the nineties. Stagnate. They are giving real estate away trying to get people to move there. Plenty of vacant houses. If you are retired with source of income, life can be good. If you plan to move there and work and make a life, stay in America. I’d like to know who sponsors this well directed/choreographed production. Disingenuous promotion can ruin people’s lives.

  • @axoram
    @axoram 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Benvenuti nella mia regione Carole e Micheal , tanta felicita' per voi🙌

  • @kelleydeclue4100
    @kelleydeclue4100 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Seriously, if you want to enhance your child's future have them major in different languages, as well as what their majoring . The event they are assigned to foreign countries by their workplace. It says a great deal for the company they work for and a increased income.

  • @ericb.3580
    @ericb.3580 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have been trying to figure this out, my mom came to the US with her parents at age 9 and her parents (my grandparents) had to renounce their italian citizenship (1959). Does this mean because my mom was a child when her parents renounced the citizenship I can possibly get my citizenship? Thank you

    • @smartmoveitaly
      @smartmoveitaly 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ciao Eric! It sounds like your line has the minor issue, which is when the Italian ancestor naturalized when the next in-line was still a child. This disqualifies future applicants from pursuing citizenship via a comune, court or consulate case. You can first look into their naturalization to be certain that was the case. This is something our team assists with, smartmoveitaly.thrivecart.com/citizenship-support-natsearch/ . You can also consider citizenship through naturalization by residency, which requires the applicant to have residency in Italy for 3 years before applying. To achieve this, you must have a visa/permesso di soggiorno.

  • @DavidSchlusserlburg
    @DavidSchlusserlburg 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    TO SET YOUR MIND AT EASE THE USA , NORTH AMERICA AS YOU SO QUAINTLY CALL IT, HAS DEVOLVED INTO A FLY ENCRUSTED, SMOLDERING PILE OF SHIT FIT ONLY FOR MORONS, IGNORAMUSES, MISFITS , GANGSTERS AND ALL OTHERS WHO ARE UNABLE, UNWILLING, OR TOO UNWELL TO LEAVE. TRUMP WILL SQUEEZE THE LAST DROP OF BLOOD OUT OF THAT COUNTRY UNTIL IT RESEMBLES A CORPSE FEASTED UPON BY VAMPIRES. ITS IDIOT CITIZENRY INVITED THIS UPON THEMSELVES. DON'T EVER RETURN OR EVER LOOK BACK. INSTEAD, CONCENTRATE ON SHEDDING AS MUCH OF YOUR IDIOMATIC AMERICAN PERSONALITY AS YOU CAN SINCE IT IS LOOKED UPON BY THE REST OF THE GLOBAL COMMUNITY AS A BADGE OF BRUTISH, IGNORANT VULGARITY. BEST OF LUCK.

    • @kelleydeclue4100
      @kelleydeclue4100 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      WOW, I am not a fan of politics or Trump, but I am none of those things you described in your vulgar rant. I quite honestly feel people who judge others aren't any better than the people who voted for Trump, so tone your attitude down before you get into a in person scuffle with someone whose brute strength is bigger than your mouth !.... just a note of caution.🤨

  • @lauralasottile62
    @lauralasottile62 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hi! Thank you! I have a question about taking the steps through attaining citizenship through marriage? My husband is taking the B1 Level test in March -- Is there an email or phone number I can contact you with? Thank you. Laura

    • @smartmoveitaly
      @smartmoveitaly 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ciao Laura, you can reach us at ciao@smartmoveitaly.com and we can point you in the right direction!

  • @shoaibmansoorkhan4790
    @shoaibmansoorkhan4790 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I love italy I want come to italy 🇮🇹, i from Pakistan help me

  • @Queerz4Palestein
    @Queerz4Palestein 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    If you're from the US, you're not Italian. If you grew up in America, surrounded by Americans, inheriting their culture, then you're not Italian, and it doesn't matter if your great-great-grand uncle came from Sicily. You may have an Italian surname, but you are American. You may speak a couple of broken words in some Italian dialect that doesn't exist any more but that doesn't make you Italian. You may have Italian citizenship thanks to your great-great-great-great-grandparents and to questionable Italian nationality laws. But you aren't and will never be Italian. You were raised in USA. You went to American schools. You have American friends, You speak English in a thick American accent. You watch US TV shows. You support the US national team. Your relatives were born in America. You have no clue of the Italian culture of the last 150 years. You couldn't name 10 cities in Italy. You couldn't name 10 songs from Italy... and I could keep going. You have to be raised in Italy to be Italian.

  • @jamesingram7203
    @jamesingram7203 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    If you wa t to live in Italy, just look around!!!

  • @deborahp-q3w
    @deborahp-q3w 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    my respect for the gentlemen who is raising his grand. i also am raising my grandchild and retirement now is different but worth our sacrifice. I cant imagine my world without her in it.

  • @snoringdog1676
    @snoringdog1676 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Are the annual property taxes on a home purchase in Italy also assessed on cathedral value, or must they be assessed on purchase price?

    • @smartmoveitaly
      @smartmoveitaly 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Here's more info provided by a commercialista we often recommend: accountingbolla.com/blog/property-tax-in-italy-the-ultimate-guide-for/#gref

  • @snoringdog1676
    @snoringdog1676 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Can a US citizen without a residential permit open a bank account in Italy? And likewise, can an EU citizen who owns A Home In Italy, open an Italian bank account?

    • @smartmoveitaly
      @smartmoveitaly 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It is possible to open a bank account as a non-resident, but not all Italian banks offer this type of account and there are restrictions. (Conto corrente non residente)

  • @snoringdog1676
    @snoringdog1676 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How long can a dual US/EU citizen stay in Italy legally?

    • @smartmoveitaly
      @smartmoveitaly 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      EU citizens can stay up to 3 months in Italy without any requirements. If they wish to stay longer, they must claim residency in Italy at their local municipality.

  • @tedg.8026
    @tedg.8026 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Yay! The first comment. Love watching your videos. Keep up the great work 💪🏻

  • @panmalpa3391
    @panmalpa3391 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    nowhere

  • @jma.87
    @jma.87 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hypothetical question: I'm far along in the process, where a US consulate is reviewing my JS citizenship application via a great grandparent(not 1948, no minor issue). If Italy decided to implement a generartional limit tomorrow, to only go as far back as grandparents, would that "law" be retroactive to all people currently not recognized by the government yet - OR - only people born on that date of the new law's creation (11/21/2024) and on regarding its authority? (Does that make sense?) Basically, I want to know if I'm safe from a generational limit law being created out of thin air before my recognition is compete. Thanks so much!

    • @smartmoveitaly
      @smartmoveitaly 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's hard to say, but there hasn't been discussion of a generational limit. The consulates take directive from Italy's Ministry of Interior, so if they were to advise on a generational limit, the terms would depend on their directive. Though with the "minor issue", for example, most consulates proceeded with applications sent in prior to the date of the directive.

  • @Deborah-d5b
    @Deborah-d5b 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How much would a decent two bed house or apartment cost to buy.,,

    • @smartmoveitaly
      @smartmoveitaly 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It depends on the area, size, condition etc. Here's a great resource to browse properties and see average sale/rental prices per m2: www.immobiliare.it/en/mercato-immobiliare/ . You can also explore our property purchase assistance here: smartmoveitalyproperty.com/buy

  • @CPAndy-x5x
    @CPAndy-x5x 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The retiree who moved with his grand-daughter - what a wonderful, rich life he's giving her!

  • @jamesingram7203
    @jamesingram7203 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Excellent video! Grazie Mille!!!

    • @smartmoveitaly
      @smartmoveitaly 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks for watching! Prego!

  • @jamesingram7203
    @jamesingram7203 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How are things for gay couples in Italy, especially in Abruzzo?

  • @jamesingram7203
    @jamesingram7203 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Samantha I've just started listening to you and you are truly a fountain of information. My question is rather specific. My male partner and I are going to be married in February. He is an Italian citizen who lives and works in Italy. I was planning on getting my ERV. I'm totally retired. What should I be doing? I'm an American. Appointments with the consulate in Miami and it takes at least 2 years to get an appointment. Jim

    • @smartmoveitaly
      @smartmoveitaly 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ciao James, you can email our team via ciao@smartmoveitaly.com and we'll get back to you!

  • @Over50andMe
    @Over50andMe 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you very much for this informative video. I believe I can now start my journey. Thank you 🙏🏽.

  • @jaydeebulje4493
    @jaydeebulje4493 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    These Truffants have got it right, not about stuff, well done

  • @victoriascranton4322
    @victoriascranton4322 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The Houston police officer - so so sweet :) First of all, Houston <3, and then who would have thought that a simple police officer would have such lofty aspirations as to moving to Italy...and taking his little granddaughter with him? Such a lovely story.

  • @angelinamoody989
    @angelinamoody989 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Much prettier but difficult to live in….go elsewhere!!!

  • @geneb53
    @geneb53 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I met an Italian woman that took my heart and breath away. If I could go it would have been yesterday.

  • @mcgcurtis
    @mcgcurtis 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Immigrants...not expats

  • @Sunshinysky432
    @Sunshinysky432 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Lovely! Do you speak fluent Italian?

  • @kitkat9235
    @kitkat9235 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I wish you the best! I too would love to move to Italy. There are so many more health benefits there that you cannot get here in America. And living near such beautiful scenery and history is just amazing!

  • @MarianaGiordano-j4j
    @MarianaGiordano-j4j 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    All I see here are North American well off comparing to locals...

  • @fourpoint64
    @fourpoint64 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    how much is the fine

  • @josephineongle7958
    @josephineongle7958 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is a dream.

  • @Alan-lv9rw
    @Alan-lv9rw 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Life in Texas is good.

  • @landonbarretto4933
    @landonbarretto4933 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Yes, nature's a good thing. Not being in the US is a damn good thing.

  • @dennismanenji3928
    @dennismanenji3928 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hi Samantha! Quick question. What if you're non european citizenship and married to an italian citizen with kids (italian citizens). What's the process to register the kids in to access schools, health sector etc. Last but not least regarding translated marriage and birth certificates and had already translated and submitted it to the italian embassy of the country we are currently residing in. Do you need to translate it again before arrival or you can extract it from AIRE? Lastly can you clarify more about the tax you mentioned at the post office/station and regarding the driving licence what if you've taken it in another EU citizen isn't there some sort of exchanging scheme or you have to go through the same process as a learner to acquire one? Ah what if you're living in an EU country and have the residence permit/card is there a different procedure or you'll have to start afresh in Italy? Thanks

    • @smartmoveitaly
      @smartmoveitaly 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ciao Dennis, thanks for tuning in! For answers to your questions, you can reach out to our team via ciao@smartmoveitaly.com .

  • @consciouscinemaco.643
    @consciouscinemaco.643 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hi, I’m a little confused! Could you please clarify something-I will be married next month to an Italian citizen who resides in Italy (I am an American citizen). I thought right after we are married I can just apply for the permesso, is that correct? Or do I need a visa? I’ve already made travel arrangements to move there so am concerned… we have co-signed on a home we are planning to live in together.

    • @smartmoveitaly
      @smartmoveitaly 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Congrats on your engagement! As mentioned in the beginning of the episode, there are additional requirements if your Italian spouse already lives in Italy. This requires a family reunification visa through your local consulate abroad. Each Italian consulate lists their requirements/instructions online.