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If you don't have any other watches, the Seiko5 series is a great starting point as you can sort of feel your way through their lineup and see what works for you. The 5 series has a wide variety of watches and once you find your 'style' in their varying designs you'll then be able to step up and buy a Prospex watch knowing what your tastes like. I personally went straight for the Monster series and upgraded into Prospex line up after but I think going to the 5 series probably would have made more sense but back in those days there weren't that many and most people of my time went to the SKX first then went to Prospex but I never did personally. Look far and wide, there's more to the watch world than just Seiko though admittedly I am still a hardcore Seiko fan through and through.

@watchluster yes their is something about seiko that draws me in. I do like seiko 5. Three hands are a bit confusing because I don't travel abroad, seiko prospex. Sumo looks good. I will let you know what I choose. Thanks for getting back to me.

Thanks for your words Agilewolf, you hit the nail on the head. The watch is pure luxury in hindsight of how things have turned out in the world. You simply can't find anything like this for the prices it demanded back in the day and funny enough most people thought it was over-priced, over-hyped, or just skipped it altogether as it didn't look 'conventional'. Fortunately for people like us that like things a bit different from the norm, we can really appreciate these quirky styles and as time will tell they will truly become collectibles in the long run. With all things considered, the watch still really captures the sport and the dress and the dive all together in one watch and yes I can criticize the incohesive design but that's what really makes the watch interesting and different than other watches that just does one of those three. All the best from Vancouver, Canada.

Yes it truly is. I love the over-complicatedness of the watch but the sleek look of it all and the integration of the different finishes of grey and dark grey really combine to make a stunning watch. It's not something that gets any compliments but it's something that people's eyes tend to veer to. All the best.

Awesome it's still in my collection and still works like brand new. My kids love playing with the chrono function as it has that lovely snap to 12 o'clock. Early merry Christmas and best wishes to you and your family for 2025!

@@watchluster wish you and yours also the best for Xmas and the forthcoming year ! 😉

Beats me Phillip, I think Seiko had a good thing going and they just ruined it by trying to be more than what they could at the time. Bit off a bit too much? In retrospect now, I think overall they made the right decision for themselves but for us consumers, it wasn't the right move and yes if you have the funds it's still decent but it's nowhere it used to be for value. All the best and there are other makers that do fill the market, check out Citizen and Casio for Japanese and of course there's Hamilton for the Swiss.

yes I like the Sumo very much as well. Still a great watch, just has to be worn with a fairly secure strap or heavy enough bracelet to balance the weight better or else you'll find the watch itself just droops down too much. All the best. -Martin

@@watchluster I wear my Sumo on a Nato, which seems to offer extra safety.

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@mdlc1439 No, it only comes on the steel bracelet, but with lug width of 20mm the leather strap can be had else where at your price point of choice. I just usually put it on the bracelet as I do find the on the fly adjustment useful especially on swim days. If it does go on a strap I just use a cheapo 20 dollar black leather strap. All the best. -Martin

Yes I've seen and read these same comments and I haven't had any issues so far with the movement. I've owned Swiss, Japanese, Chinese and they all work fine even the Swiss ones fail too so what difference does it make? Well each to their own but I will kindly have to disagree with your sentiments.

Hi matt, I never ever wanted to buy a Rolex and never ever even visited a retail store. I've never been interested. It has just one too many connections with the kind of people I rather not be thought of to be wearing a 'Rolex'. Best of luck to you with your future Ginault purchases. I hope I can buy another sooner or later.

Thanks for the sub!

Sorry to hear I don't do any desk diving anymore and I have this watch on a custom strap but the breaclet wasn't bad in my opinion. Best of luck, wish they had gone with 20mm lugs.

Funny thing I want another one too 😝

thanks so much the SBDC085 is a limited edition and I have never had any experience with it in hand. Sadly I only have what I have and never got into limited editions across my collecting journey. Sounds like you scored big I wish you the best with the watch and hopefully you are able to pass it down a generation or two :)

Different prices I'd say...Oceanking V3 is $3580 USD. Ginault SS ranges from $1,499 ~ $1,799 USD. When I first was looking around this time, yes for sure Monta did come across my radar and I almost would have pulled the trigger but they were out of stock. I'll be straight with you. Monta has always this old look to them not in a good way either, their designs are very boring and generic to my view but there lies the greatest comfort in watch collecting there's always the right watch for you, just so happens that it's not right for everyone.

@@watchluster It's a matter of taste. I've had two Ginaults and liked them. I liked less the goofy text on the dial and the fact that the clasp is unsigned. Your price for the Monta is in Canadian dollars.

$2550 USD Monta Oceanking v3. Thanks for the correction. Cheers.

@@watchluster No problem. But it's still too expensive!

Sadly in my current situation any watch is too expensive :) With my evolution in watch collecting, if I were to spend another 2-3K on a watch I would rather go for manual wound, gold watch used. I have enough diver's and none of them seem to be going to the grave anytime soon.

Quite similar, but I would still take the Ginault over the CW. The CW I think objectively takes the win but the Ginault just has the charm and my own bias to make me lean towards it. All the best from Vancouver Canada.

@@watchluster Thanks for the reply. You’ve blame my decision even harder 🤣 cheers 👍

I have given it more chances lately and yes definitely switching the factory strap is the wisest decision. Every time I go to do the buckle on the default strap I would just put the watch back and opt for something else. Currently mine is on a leather strap but perhaps I can try a mesh like you as well. Cheers and all the best from Vancouver, Canada.

🎵Congratulations🎵 on your new watch. I hope you will love it but only time will tell. Mine still rocking the Engineer bracelet, have tried a leather NATO si glen pass which worked nicely as well. Share how it goes with it here and thanks ⌚ Best from Vancouver, Canada.

Nice one, what's the model number? Cheers, greetings from Vancouver, Canada. Sunny lately 35 celcius lately :(

@watchluster ST1908 moonphase master. I had a beautiful genuine alligator strap waiting for it.😁 State of Georgia USA.

You are a man of sharp tastes. All the best.

Glad it was helpful!

Thanks for your words. The SS is still part of my collection and I stand by what I said then and it's just basic knowledge that you just know when you feel the thing in hand. It just has a sense of tactility no other watch has. Well let's see, I haven't heard much about any new watches coming from Ginault the owner is probably just eating up all the $$$ :D All the best from Vancouver, Canada.

Hmm sheets I actually forget :( If I remember I'll try to post it :D

Hello yes I believe so. Just googled that. Cheers.

Thank you kindly!

Nice Mike I hope that the strap is comfortable enough. I have tried a smaller rubber strap but found the look to be too disproportionate and eventually have put it back on the bracelet again. I also have tried it on a leather nato which was surprisingly good but again always feels too small with the 20mm lug width. Greetings from Canada.

yep...I saw a few when I was in Japan and of course it's where I got mine. I wanted to pick up all of them but well even used they were still asking 400-500.

I think the marker was removed recently much like the SBDC101 did away with the marker next to the date window. A newer gen wasn't called for I guess as it really is just the marker that got tossed. Less lume...less cost I guess.

lol thanks, it's a really killer watch and I still wear it today. My kids favourite they call it the galaxy watch :C

Understandable, the green does have a strong hint of yellow which was sort of why it was my choice.

I rarely ever wear the damn thing. It looks so cool but as soon as I wear it I just feel an icky feeling :O

Hi yes I still have it, and yes it still holds up after a year. The only problem being that I have noticed when I do a full-wind it has happened on a few occasions where it stops all of a sudden. And I need to wind it another click to start the mainspring again. Most likely has something to do with the tight clearances needed for a watch to function and having experienced Chinese made goods for most of my life I think I can fairly say that perhaps the quality of goods coming out of said country isn't as good as possibly other renowned watch makers in other parts of the world. Of course you can just pay 20 times more or worse for those other watches. I of course chose this....and of course as a watch lover I have all varieties and to be quite frank this watch is just as good as most other watches. Basically Sugess makes a good watch but you have to keep your expectations in line when buying from said brands. Cheers and all the best from Vancouver, Canada.

@@watchluster wow very comprehensive response! Interesting, I'll keep that advice in mind in case I encounter a similar thing when I get an ST19 movement myself :D Agree that budget comed with compromise, and also agree that such compromises are usually acceptable if expectations are kept in line. Cheers!

Thanks for the sub! Hope you get your Sumo wishes fulfilled just not with a sweaty person with about 300lbs of too much fat. All the best from Vancouver, Canada. Raining today again here jeez :O

Hi Martin,just pulled the trigger on the SPB103J1(green Sumo)next on the list will be one Alpinist ..super hot day here from Kuala Lumpur,Malaysia

@@psth3932 Nice mate, you'll enjoy that Sumo I'm sure greatly. Alpinist has always been on my radar and I absolutely told myself I would but the charm eventually faded. I was at that time looking for THE green watch but eventually as you know I ended up with the Sumo instead. Going with the green I assume? The compass ring never appealed to me and made the watch look too utilitarian for my tastes. All the best, and it's raining cats and dogs today here :)

Thank you too! Best wishes from Vancouver, Canada.

I agree, the Monta and Formex will get you better overall fit and finish but you also tend to pay more for those offerings. I debated the Monta but none was available that I liked and also to be honest it was a bit too mature for me in terms of aesthetics or at least that's what I thought. The Formex has also crossed my mind but I never got along with their utilitarian look so much though they do offer some nice decent casual looks it really wasn't for me I realized. Good points and well received. All the best from Vancouver, Canda. -Martin

Hey WatchDanReviews, welcome to the 'watch' channel club :D Yea it's for certain that the band is an import or at least sourced to the 'right' type of people that do that kind of work :) Speaking objectively the watch is a beast of a watch and can pretty much top any other watch in this price range and more so as much as people love to rag on homages and ex-couterfeiters well it's hard to argue against something when it's so obviously BETTER in all regards than most other watches. It is a sad affair but imitation is often times how we all started to learn and as is said is well the most flattering of all compliments. All the best from Vancouver, Canada. -Martin

Hi pinikpikantv3555, I gotta agree man, 12 divers?!?!?!!!?!! I think I'm at 14 that's currently in rotation with a few others that are out of rotation and I ALWAYS tells myself that I should reduce and have been for the past 10+ years but sadly the numbers just keep increasing and I can't do anything about that :D Sumo across all generations has something to offer for anyone that has an open mind I think, if you are closed about it and think narrowly about what goes on your wrist then you probably belong to the 1 watch only club. I wear the Sumo and it still gets good wrist time but I have moved on from steel bracelet and have put it now on a single pass leather NATO and it's a bit top-heavy but it's much easier to wear with activities. All the best from Vancouver, Canada. -Martin

Hmm now that you mention it, it cannot be unseen! Dunno for some reason it reminds me of a video game like Quake or Unreal or Portal or something of that sort some kind of snazzy game aesthetic. Boo Omega boo lol well all the best to you, I'm glad that you moved on to something that you like even more hopefully. I have debated the Omega brand several times in my life but never pulled the trigger. Always just something else that's a bit more daring and peculiar. Thanks for the share and all the best from Vancouver, Canada. -Martin

Hey nicocalimero, totally agreed mate, the top time has a very retro vibe and I've seen it floating around but I gotta be honest I haven't really been into budget watches of late. I did splurge a bit a few years back and I appreciate some of them and still wear them the ones I do have but I am not really into them as of late. Why? Well I can't put an exact finger on it but I guess I just know inside that I have much better and more quality watches to wear so they become a bit of an accessory to the main course. I'll wear them but not as much as the other core collection which gets way more wrist time. I think the budget watch sector really is good if you want to try a certain design of a watch before you spend over 100x the actual cost for the real thing. Overall, I love these Sugess watches but I don't love them enough to wear them on a daily basis though they certainly are capable and worthwhile to wear everyday, just not for me. Cheers and all the best from Vancouver, Canada. -Martin

wtf this is just a dumb statement. Go hide under the bridge troll and see you never again.

Hi thetrentmeister, awesome to hear that there's a fellow enthusiast for this series of watches. I still wear mine and everytime I go to pick between SBDC051 and the SBDC101 I always, always always, except a few times go for 051. It has the looks and the ruggedness all in one. Whereas the 101 is well sort of lame really, it's like the difference between a sleek machine vs a functional machine that has no design :P I'm sure the argument can be made for which ever watch being the boring one but for me it's always been SBDC051 looking the best among all the Seiko divers' I own. Thanks for your comment and all the best from Vancouver, Canada. -Martin

Hi aierlspalter7425, I have both as I have reviewed both....and my vote goes to Casio Oceanus. The lume on both isn't very good but that's a given in this sector, you can get better lume with Seiko's offerings like the Astron but those tend to wear thicker than these other offerings. The Casio gets my vote really due to the ease of use and the THICKNESS. I harp on about the thickness of watches but in my daily life the thickness is what tends to get in the way. With or without cuffs, if a watch is bulky you'll feel it one way or another. There's times where sure I'll wear a thicker watch but, as I've grown older I am just getting more senile about the whole thickness thing I guess. Anyways thicker watches no fun, thinner watches is funner, but too thin is zero fun :( All the best and I hope you find the best watch for your daily life! -Martin

@@watchluster Thank you for the advice.

Hi chriscon8463, you hit it man... Interesting to hear that Squale was releasing them before with a diff movement and diff configuration. You are right, for both of us.... It really is a nice watch I just hate the bracelet and if I do put it on leather or something else I just feel like I have other watches that better fit the situation so I'm really torn about this one. I don't want to sell the watch but I feel like it just sits around and stares back at me, laughing at my inability to control my watch purchasing habits. So overall yes I'd like to wear the watch more but I just don't like it so will have to move on. All the best from Vancouver, Canada. -Martin