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Bush and Iraq, being J.D. Vance’s boss, and why Trump loses | David Frum
David Frum is a political commentator and former speechwriter for President George W. Bush. He worked closely with the White House during pivotal moments in modern American history, such as the Iraq War.
What was it like writing speeches for policies you didn't agree with? Do you think Trump is successful and will win the presidency again? Why did you change your stance on the Iraq War?
Rory and Alastair is joined by David Frum to answer these questions and much more.
Podcast episode number: 89
00:00 Intro
01:58 Childhood
08:11 Working with George W. Bush
10:48 As a man of the left, what was it like being surrounded by hard right politicians?
14:10 Thoughts on the British Conservative party
17:19 Do you have a sense of nostalgia?
20:50 Why is Trump a success?
28:10 Your advice to Vice President Harris?
32:32 Why did Biden leave it so close to the wire?
35:50 Relationship with J.D. Vance
40:06 Your conservative stance
43:30 What do you think of who J.D. Vance is now?
48:46 Going from supporting America's intervention in Iraq to a critic
54:08 Fear of the war in Ukraine
55:50 The move towards protectionism
58:45 Israel and the Middle East
1:00:48 Your daughter Miranda and grief
1:04:40 Debrief
1:10:40 Outro
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  • @williamhuang2976
    @williamhuang2976 50 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

    David, I feel you. You are politically homeless now. I'm too.

  • @riber99
    @riber99 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Helle did sugar coat a lot of things. Her party privatized a lot of big state run companies to the detriment of the Danish people. They also invited the far right and conspiracy nuts into the political arena, also to the detriment of the current society. From Helle's predecessors to her and the current prime minister the party has moved more and more to the right. Racism and islamophonia has been on the rise just like in England. The early soc dem were big proponents of the neo-con agenda and NPM, again to the detriment of our institutions and the cohesion of the country. So Helle is not a loved prime minister at all and some of her ministers are now members of the conservative party.

  • @kevinharry1714
    @kevinharry1714 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    The people who agree with the lies of this war criminal and his mate Blair shouldn’t be allowed to have an opinion again

  • @wintersnowowen2254
    @wintersnowowen2254 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Good interview!

  • @gentleeventful
    @gentleeventful 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    When Saddam Hussein gassed 5,000 Kurdish that was a weapon of mass destruction. I cannot understand why people keep saying that they didn't have weapons of mass destruction. Am I mad or are you lot mad?

  • @cnocspeireag
    @cnocspeireag 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Rachel Reeves is appallingly smug here. Labour let down Britain by not revisiting Brexit.

  • @lkjh861
    @lkjh861 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Nice interview and I don't doubt that Helle is a good person. But the reason why Helle is typically only grudgingly liked in Denmark, despite being our first female prime minister (when Scandinavian culture is VERY pro-feminist) -- is because she was and still is perceived as extremely socially aspiring and therefore willing to throw anyone under the bus in order to achieve that social ascension. That she is extremely good at coming up with excuses for herself and pretenses to open those social ascension doors to herself. And she does that clearly in this interview: Helle states that she was met with an extreme amount of mysogyny -- when the actual criticism was that she was vain and consumerist (precisely "Gucci Helle") in a Social-Democratic party that has a tradition of the exact opposite. Helle presents the criticism of her marrying into one of the most influencial political families in the UK, as xenophobia against her husband -- which really is complete and utter nonsense, when the criticism was strictly directed at her own (apparent) social ambition (though their meeting in college, does actually sound perfectly plausible). Especially, since the UK was extremely influential in EU politics -- so it was even viewed (wrongly or rightly) as discarding Denmark as not being "influential enough" for her own ambitions. Likewise, the criticism of her husband being English, had nothing to do with "race" (even racist Danes do not consider the English another race) -- but instead that England is viewed as deeply dysfunctional and almost medieval due to its strict class system, and that Helle seemed to be climbing that medieval system with a deftness, that was diconscerting to a Scandinavian mindset (which extremely strongly emphasizes social equality). Helle's clear dependence on plastic surgery to stay young looking only adds to that image (would be the exact same if she was a man) -- because Scandinavian culture strongly emphasizes "standing by yourself" for BOTH men and women and therefore of aging naturally (in other words gender equalty, the exact opposite of mysogyny). All of the above things are diametrically opposite Social-Democratic values, which she purported to be a follower of ~ which made many Danes deeply suspicious of whether Helle was actually a Social-Democrat at heart, rather than of ambition (the Social-Democrats being the largest and most influential party in Denmark). Indeed, Helle's assertion that Sunak "DOES understand poverty" would be considered absurd, and therefore viewed as apologist and (again) potentially socially aspirational to "cozy up" to Sunak and his social class -- because the cultural mindset in Scandinavia is extremely pragmatic. That is, it is taken as a matter of course, that if you haven't experienced something personally, then you do not know and you cannot know how it is -- and so you should always favor someone who does have firsthand experience. And since Helle herself does actually has firsthand experience of growing up poor -- it comes across as suspicious for her to be defending the very social class who (would be viewed as) having kept her and her family in poverty. In other words, again apparently sacrificing her own (original) social group for ascension into a more powerful one -- especially because Sunak has clearly and publically demonstrated his total lack of understanding, through his comments and policies (the strong emphasis on factuality/objectivity in Scandinavian culture, implying Helle has poor judgement). Yet in Scandinavian culture there is also an understanding (real cultural empathy) that growing up as poor as Helle did, can have a traumatizing effect on kids (Scandinavian culture is highly socially intelligent) -- making such kids extremely keen on status objects, material wealth and precisely outward appearance. And especially for a woman as beautiful as Helle clearly is, inclined to use their good looks to get ahead (which in Scandinavian culture is seen as men being dumb and superficial, rather than women being nefarious). Which is also why Helle is not hated, but considered a potentially quite flawed character (this is precisely THE main dividing line in the public view of Helle ~ fans think she is not, detractors think she definitely is). In other words, what Helle presents here as mysogyny, xenophobia and a reactionary mindset in Denmark (a really quite suspect way to present usually progressive Denmark), is actually a strong dislike for materialism, social snobbery and physical vanity (quite positive cultural values). And because Helle is good at appearing forthright, approachable and matter-of-fact (which she genuinely also seems to be in many ways), she then also comes across to a lot of Danes as having poor self-insight and of being possibly quite manipulative (again culturally highly disliked characteristics). Even shorter, Helle could be perceived as having just thrown the entire country of Denmark under the bus in this interview, to justify her own ascension. And that's precisely why she's only grudgingly liked in Denmark, because she is considered somewhat disingenuous (lack of self-insight/self-control), somewhat disloyal (social opportunism) and therefore as being only situationally reliable (reliability being one of THE most core values in Scandinavian culture) -- despite being our first female primeminister (something we take real cultural pride in) and despite actually being considered quite competent as a professional person (very highly valued in Scandinavian culture).

    • @bugcatcher6663
      @bugcatcher6663 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      fantastic summary

  • @Matt-ou7tu
    @Matt-ou7tu 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    He's one of the people responsible for the terrible state the country is currently in.

  • @loungejay8555
    @loungejay8555 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Aleister and Rory advocating for free movement, really what planet are they living on?? even Rachel Reeves things they're nutters.

  • @graemebutler2569
    @graemebutler2569 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Alistair Cambell just can't let Brexit go , but we won't let the Iraq war go !

  • @donnyboodram5229
    @donnyboodram5229 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    David Frum stating that no one knew the extent of climate change in the 1980s says it all. He has been wrong since the 1980s and is as responsible for Donald Trump as all other conservatives.

  • @walterclaycooke
    @walterclaycooke 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    The Republican Party is dead. Trump killed it.

  • @robin2338
    @robin2338 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Go Kamala! Go Walz!💙💙💙💙💙

  • @AlexPReal
    @AlexPReal 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Brilliant interview. Thank you! How touching when talked about believing in the young because they're the ambassadors of the future.❤

  • @ThePlanetzyz
    @ThePlanetzyz 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I agree, that really was a wonderful interview, with an extremely thoughtful, intelligent and insightful person. Thank you.

  •  22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    They did NOT ask any awkward questions. You do not want to rock the boat.😂

  •  22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Apparently they are both soaking up her lies and evasions😂

  • @noparty5183
    @noparty5183 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Wow nancy

  • @paullyon3760
    @paullyon3760 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Seat before country. BOllocks

  • @navboi12
    @navboi12 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Any reason why mass immigration was not debated?

  • @navboi12
    @navboi12 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Just another WEF lap dog masquerading socio-economic competency. Mark my words, it's going to get far worse than the 'mess' conservatives left behind. Where/how do these eco heads expect their expanding fleet of non-degradable wind turbines, which to produce require enormous energy output (currently the 'dirty' kind being used), to be disposed of? It's a clear cash grab exercise for contracting friends, with little scope for real carbon off-setting.

  • @petesears7688
    @petesears7688 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I love the cut and thrust of 3 men agreeing with each other, top work.

  • @jfalk6500
    @jfalk6500 วันที่ผ่านมา

    as a Dane i can respect Rory for being a trans-accepting (I hope I read this right or i will haunt him when i die), but i draw the line at smearing pistacchio icecream

  • @Sphere723
    @Sphere723 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The center left party in the USA is the "Democratic Party". Calling it the "Democrat Party" is an intentional mistake some on the American right use as a pergurative. It's very grating to my American ears to hear British commentators unknowingly repeat this rather petty insult. Please call it the "Democratic Party" if for nothing else but accuracy.

  • @adriankaill9413
    @adriankaill9413 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Revolting liar...

  • @Bendoverstoke
    @Bendoverstoke วันที่ผ่านมา

    I just don’t understand why anyone thinks that someone else’s abortion is any of their business. Would David be happy for me to sit in the doctor’s surgery with him or his loved ones and make all sorts of decisions? I don’t think he would, and he’d be right. So extend that courtesy to others.

  • @Bulldog2833
    @Bulldog2833 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You did a good job Helle - we are proud of you in Denmark!!

  • @AnthonyDibiaseIdeas
    @AnthonyDibiaseIdeas วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you for this excellent interview. David is brilliant at being authoritative on infinitely more than he should be. This is something he freely admits. And yet, he does nothing to temper the confidence with which he expresses his views. Shame on me for being confused by his "nuanced" opinions. When he speaks, I can't make out the forest for the trees he analyses so deftly. Love the guy but . . .

  • @chrispalmer7893
    @chrispalmer7893 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Sorry David, but no that doesn’t change my opinion on Bush the man. That he had a good sense of humour is fine, but it really doesn’t change my position on what he did. It’s only the horror that is Trump that has made people like W look less appalling. Obviously Iraq and the failure to plan for its aftermath is unforgivable. Plenty of room for Alistair and Blair to bear responsibility, but Bush is the ultimate culprit. And his regime was callous, corrupt and painfully incompetent - from its inept response to Hurricane Katrina (which highlights all three elements, it was callous, it was incompetent and corrupt because it was in large part the result of Bush appointing a woefully unqualified ally to run FEMA), the attempt to destroy social security, disgraceful tactics involved in both elections (probably the two dirtiest campaigns I’ve ever seen) the corruption that caused the first election to be handed to Bush, the firing of US attorneys for prioritising the law over the whims of the regime - the list goes on and on. Not to mention the incompetence / wilful ignorance that made 9/11 possible (don’t worry, not arguing Trutherism here, I refer to the Bush administration dismissing terrorism as a strange obsession of Clinton’s and their consequent failure to act on clear intelligence warnings. It’s often forgotten since he initiated the War on Terror, but prior to 9/11 the Bush regime thought missile defence was the only thing that mattered in National Security (he originally opposed the creation of the Department for Homeland Security). W is right up there in the conversation when we’re talking worst presidents ever (Nixon and Trump are the only modern-day presidents who come close).

  • @Fredrikschou
    @Fredrikschou วันที่ผ่านมา

    yeah, she´s so eloquent, charming and all that. But she should have stayed in the EU parliament. What her leadership of the social democrats did (and remember- she only won 1 (one) election) was to absorb, not deflect the immigration policies of the far right and make it mainstream- the result was that islamophobia is now an integrated part of mainstream danish political rhetoric. And what did she gain by it? was this the price to pay for enhancing the danish welfare system for everyone? no- she dragged S to the center where it still is and undermined labour unions, reduced unemployment benifits, pensions, social services, sold public utilities in one corruption scandal after another and it was so obvious that after 4 years the danes voted her out again, prefering a government that was openly lassei faire rather that pretend "socialist". BUt Im probably just a mysoginist for saying that

  • @SN-sz7kw
    @SN-sz7kw วันที่ผ่านมา

    Pelosi at her best. Brilliant class act. Profoundly ethical & incomparably wily & steely. We’ve been so lucky to have her.

  • @RyanTheHero3
    @RyanTheHero3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    She’s trying to argue that the people have chosen to leave the EU, but they know full well that the overwhelming majority now regret that decision, and most would want to rejoin the EU. I don’t anticipate that being soon, maybe 10 years from now, but to say that we can’t do anything about it because the people voted to leave is just a way to hide the fact they as a party don’t want to rejoin. Our future will be with the EU.

  • @Pierrick2009
    @Pierrick2009 วันที่ผ่านมา

    She doesn’t even consider educating the public on the benefits of free movement. It’s a sad loss for British workers but personally as a dual-passport holder it means it will be easier for me to outcompete them on the job market.

  • @kennethvenezia4400
    @kennethvenezia4400 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So you think meta is the biggest social media platform in the world? Well, I don't use it, and more importantly, my cat never used it and he's damn important

  • @kennethvenezia4400
    @kennethvenezia4400 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Yes, sometimes it's hubris, and sometimes it's just too much cocaine abuse

  • @stevewilliams3087
    @stevewilliams3087 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great interview. Iraq? An adventure based on a lie, sold - like Brexit, to a concerned public.

  • @iamanomas
    @iamanomas วันที่ผ่านมา

    Bottom line, you supported the unilateral action while contrary evidence about those weapons of mass destruction was swirling around the world. Also the 911 terrorists were Saudi not from Iraq. I call bullshit here. 🇨🇦

  • @giorgosarifoglu953
    @giorgosarifoglu953 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I wouldn't trust him to walk my dog let alone give an interview on economy and the topic of Europe. What an apocalyptic moron😂

  • @abd0kamal
    @abd0kamal วันที่ผ่านมา

    Commenting on the last part of interview: “asking Israeli enemies to stop fighting and start talking “.. this argument is massively invalid for few reasons 1- Palestinians repeatedly engaged in peace talks. 2- Israelis repeatedly broke international law and maintained illegal occupation and settlements. The only time Israelis conceded any sort of a deal was after suffering a military shock/defeat in 1973. 3- Israel repeatedly declined peace deals offered by the Arab countries and PLO since then. 4- Israelis equally have no interest in peace talks as it refuses the two state solutions and the one state solution where every person regardless of religion or ethnicity will have an equal vote. This makes the implicit goal of ethnically cleansing Palestinians not very implicit. Calling JD vance morally flexible while ending by blaming the Palestinians for the failure of peace talks is quite a remarkable stunt.

    • @liamdevine8063
      @liamdevine8063 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      It's incredible that he can go to such ends to legitimise the systemic slaughter of defenceless children day after day after day - then in a minute flip to talking about the anguish of losing a daughter? What is wrong with these people? Where is their humanity? Clearly it extends to his daughter, clearly it extends to Israelis, I assume it extends to the victims of Hitler's concentration camps - why does it not extend to Palestinians?

  • @martin-hall-northern-soul
    @martin-hall-northern-soul วันที่ผ่านมา

    I wish the elites would stop trying to peddle that tired old poppycock that the conservatives are all about preserving British traditions. Here's how contemporary tories preserve traditions - run down the army to bare bones, desimate the police service, hollow out the justice system, break up the union via referendum and on and on. The only traditions the modern tories continue is selling off the nation's family china for a quick buck and doing dodgy deals with their pals from the city on the golf course.

  • @edm2189
    @edm2189 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Why does Campbell, one of the main architects of the lies that took us to war in Iraq, still get a hearing and is treated with such deference? To borrow a phrase, he should be out in the streets selling pencils from a cup

  • @bencoutts9879
    @bencoutts9879 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Scot here. I would love to have the chance to retire in Spain - much like my American neighbour who can do this. 😐

  • @patrickwilkinson721
    @patrickwilkinson721 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Views on Israel were pretty abhorrent. Saying committing genocide on children was the only way Israel could respond

  • @lightbeware9875
    @lightbeware9875 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I see Frum, I watch.

  • @AGAG-lb6dj
    @AGAG-lb6dj วันที่ผ่านมา

    Extremely moving , what a great guy, I used to dislike him during the Bush years . 😊 there is hope that far right doctrine will be challenged in the end from within.

  • @keithkaosHarv
    @keithkaosHarv วันที่ผ่านมา

    I hope she means that they may consider it when it’s less contentious otherwise Britain will remain pretty stagnant in all areas.

  • @christinecamley
    @christinecamley 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nancy is brilliant, very tough and compassionate!! She’s a hero!!

  • @oldschool3670
    @oldschool3670 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Very odd man

  • @liammcnichol3369
    @liammcnichol3369 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    He seems incredibly flakey

  • @rexiioper6920
    @rexiioper6920 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    this podcast ❤s war criminals