Phenomenal chat with a wonderful intellect and, even more importantly, incredibly empathic individual. What kind of society could we forge if we empowered the experts like these over self-serving ballbags like Gove. It's a genuine shame.
If you hear uninterrupted interviewee with next to no interviewer intervention you know it's a high quality guest and we are all learning something. We needed it, to make up for the rnc guy last week.
She is so young but phenomenally talented and impactful. There is something to be said about a country and a government that put her to use for social good. Bravo for securing her interview.
Fantastic interview. Thank you for securing Audrey's time. As a very keen Democrat i was particularly interested in the idea(s) of ongoing citizen assemblies and continuous input. I would love to see that brought to Britain & perhaps begin to see an end to the Westminster Bubble and instead see real engagement with the regions. If we could also see a move to PR + a big dose of 'can do' attitude, we could see a real transformation of our country its democracy, prosperity and general wellbeing. Are you listening Kier Starmer? Brilliant. Thanks again to you both and to Audrey.
Thank you so much to TRIP for bringing this fascinating, gifted, visioniary being to our attention. The whole conversation brought incredible insights for the future of any democracy. An absolute revelation.
What a breath of fresh air! Audrey Tang has, in one hour given me hope about the future of politics and how politics can actually do what is needed. I'm so tired of the bickering, bluster, bull-shit and banal and vapid way (most) politicians act. As a South African, and having lived with some atrocious political actions and consequences, I can only hope that the ideas and concepts Audrey shared eventually make their way to the rest of the world. (I'll probably be long gone before anything remotely effective happens in South Africa to turn around the quagmire that's currently at play.) As for the UK, - I think radical change is needed - and not in the way that Brexit was a radical change - but that too is unlikely and probably only a vague possibility in my life time... Thank you Rory and Alistair for your amazing channels. TRIP & TRIPL are leading the way.
What a wonderful conversation. Thank you. Super-smart, of course. But also what a wise, thoughtful, compassionate human being. So much to learn. I'll definitely re-watch this one.
This was really amazing to listen to. Your chat with Audrey is my favorite leading interview yet. Audrey looks really impresive here, I am particularly impressed with how detailed and technical she can talk about each problem and solution
Amazing interview of a truly revolutionising individual. As a Brit, I lived in Taiwan for 8 years through COVID, was educated there with a PhD, met my wife there and it really defined me as a person. Everybody should be seeking to have more collaboration with this extraordinary island. Mountains over 3000m, stunning coral reefs, vibrant cities, diverse fusions of cuisines, friendly and warm people, a country that embraces the past but isn't shy to change for the future and exactly what Tang talks about at the start, a resilient population. However, Taiwan like any nation is not perfect and there are many social and economic issues that are damaging it's fabric. I'm happy the interview is not solely dedicated to China and actually allows Taiwan a voice of it's own so well done Team and glad to see that Tang corrected Alastair about the PRC 'retaking' Taiwan, when in fact they never tool Taiwan in the first place.
OK so as a former Partner of a big consulting/accounting firm I'm a big fan of her closing comments about the public communicating directly with government.
Great interview. Rory was clearly delighted throughout - he didn't stop grinning - and that was very much my feeling. A slight shame that Alastair conflates China and Taiwan at one point. Let's assume it was a slip of the tongue. Anyway, he was very gently slapped down by Audrey on "retake", and he took it very nicely.
Taiwan and South Korea used to be poor military dicatorships. It is very impressive indeed their progress the last ca 50 years :) Kind of set the example for China and still could do politically? Clearly China has been able to do the same economical revolution in many parts of China already...
Didn't Taiwan increase public trust in politicians by 600%, not 60% as stated in the standfirst? A 60% increase would only get you to 16% from 10% as I see it, not to 70%..
@webMonkey_ Unfortunately, scooters - or rather the people who drive them - are a scourge to public safety. it's not even safe walking on the pavements in most places.
@@davrothelegendFully agree! I find myself having to walk right next to the walls of buildings. I used to live in Singapore where they policed hoon scooter drivers quite quickly. But in Brisbane it’s downright dangerous.
I think it's a mistake for people/Rory/AC to see this as something that is trying to replace government, we've done that already with consultants. This is about finding an alternative to the reliance on a web of totally unaccountable, undemocratic, uninspired, (oligarchic) consultancies that have decayed our own civil service. Instead of a relying on PwC grads to give us a rehashed report on what they think the problems of the NHS etc., we now have the technology to explore/condense mass level insights of what the problems even are in the first place, in a way that is meaningful, public, accountable, and democratic.
Audrey is very inspiring. I wonder how such ideas and procedures would work in this country. China / Tai Wan is a very different place - far less individualistic.
48:03 - This kind of seflishness is why we dont get progress on these kind of things. Those cumbrian GPS may indeed find it just as easy, but for someone with, say, reduced mobility, it would be a massive improvement to have access to a GP via video conferencing software. For people whos profession it is to make other peoples lives better, they sure do a whole lot of keeping peoples lives the same.
I think you underestimate the extreme lengths that many, probably most, GPs go to in trying to provide the best possible service to their patients within the huge constraints and pressures they face. Life is much more complicated than you seem to imagine. The situation is beyond the capacity of individual GPs to resolve. Having had some fairly extensive dealings with the health service over the years trying to organise future provision, and a sister who worked on the patient facing frontline (not as a GP) and who suffered terribly due to the shortcomings of the IT systems and complexity of the wider organisation (as did her patients), I am sure that it will be much more than the goodwill of GPs standing in the way of delivering the sort of services Rory Stewart dreams of for Cumbria. Notice, for instance, how often Audrey Tang mentioned the Taiwanese government investing in this, that and the other. When the NHS can currently barely manage to keep its most basic services for the masses running, what should be further cut in order to provide IT provision for the benefit of a handful of people in rural Cumbria, desirable though that might be.
Covid has changed the picture on this somewhat. That appointment with the consultant about Parkinsons now probably takes place in a video call. I for example have never had physical appointment with my endocronolgist for 2 years... they have all been by video. Saying that this is also exclusionary to those who cannot use such technology (ie hard of hearing) or do not have such technology or struggle to use it. So options need to be provided.
It would be interesting to find out about the state of environmental degradation in Taiwan and the govt/civic position. I wonder if Taiwan is such a "high trust society" because it is so homogenus. Low immigration?
Considering that around 12% of the population are immigrants or descendants of immigrants from China in 1949, not really. There's plenty of environmental degradation - the heavy industries get shunted off into poor areas, the nuclear waste shipped off to remote islands. The air is pretty bad - not least because pollutants are carried over from China, but also because Taiwan is a car-centric society along US lines.
When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Even when asked to give a non-tech example, she started talking about broadband and tele-doctoring. And the AI moderated citizen assembly stuff at the end... Dystopian.
@@MegaShiney99 Surface-level, granted. But not facetious! I think having concerns about black-box algorithms intervening in democratic decision-making is not unwarranted.
@@frankanon798 You mean the transcription and summary of public contributions through video chat? You may as well scaremonger about the "black box broadcasting" that diffuses the election results from the BBC to your living room. The fact that *you* don't know how it works does not mean that *no-one* knows; nor does it mean that it constitutes *interference*, as opposed to facilitation.
Until now I have greatly enjoyed your podcasts. This latest episode is, in my view, tedious beyond belief. Your guests obviously will not be to everyone’s liking but this is a real low. Incidentally your podcasts were about the best but Katty and the Mooch are really reaching the highest points in every way. Please keep up your normally fascinating work. Thank you
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Phenomenal chat with a wonderful intellect and, even more importantly, incredibly empathic individual. What kind of society could we forge if we empowered the experts like these over self-serving ballbags like Gove. It's a genuine shame.
If you hear uninterrupted interviewee with next to no interviewer intervention you know it's a high quality guest and we are all learning something.
We needed it, to make up for the rnc guy last week.
One of the most interesting, impressive and positive interviewees on any programme I’ve watched in many years
Absolutely love this, so proud of Audrey. Thanks for representing Taiwan so wonderfully ❤
This is my favourite Leading episode so far, what a breath of fresh air and a fascinating look into a functional, progressive democracy
She is so young but phenomenally talented and impactful. There is something to be said about a country and a government that put her to use for social good. Bravo for securing her interview.
As a Brit living In Taiwan, Audrey made me very proud of the place.
Fantastic interview. Thank you for securing Audrey's time. As a very keen Democrat i was particularly interested in the idea(s) of ongoing citizen assemblies and continuous input. I would love to see that brought to Britain & perhaps begin to see an end to the Westminster Bubble and instead see real engagement with the regions. If we could also see a move to PR + a big dose of 'can do' attitude, we could see a real transformation of our country its democracy, prosperity and general wellbeing. Are you listening Kier Starmer?
Brilliant. Thanks again to you both and to Audrey.
Thank you so much to TRIP for bringing this fascinating, gifted, visioniary being to our attention. The whole conversation brought incredible insights for the future of any democracy. An absolute revelation.
What a breath of fresh air!
Audrey Tang has, in one hour given me hope about the future of politics and how politics can actually do what is needed.
I'm so tired of the bickering, bluster, bull-shit and banal and vapid way (most) politicians act.
As a South African, and having lived with some atrocious political actions and consequences, I can only hope that the ideas and concepts Audrey shared eventually make their way to the rest of the world. (I'll probably be long gone before anything remotely effective happens in South Africa to turn around the quagmire that's currently at play.)
As for the UK, - I think radical change is needed - and not in the way that Brexit was a radical change - but that too is unlikely and probably only a vague possibility in my life time...
Thank you Rory and Alistair for your amazing channels. TRIP & TRIPL are leading the way.
What a wonderful conversation. Thank you. Super-smart, of course. But also what a wise, thoughtful, compassionate human being. So much to learn. I'll definitely re-watch this one.
One of the best and most interesting interviews so far
This was really amazing to listen to. Your chat with Audrey is my favorite leading interview yet. Audrey looks really impresive here, I am particularly impressed with how detailed and technical she can talk about each problem and solution
Wow !! the citizens assemblies using the Rooms was facinating . so positive . What a lovely person Audrey is . ❤️
Amazing interview of a truly revolutionising individual. As a Brit, I lived in Taiwan for 8 years through COVID, was educated there with a PhD, met my wife there and it really defined me as a person. Everybody should be seeking to have more collaboration with this extraordinary island. Mountains over 3000m, stunning coral reefs, vibrant cities, diverse fusions of cuisines, friendly and warm people, a country that embraces the past but isn't shy to change for the future and exactly what Tang talks about at the start, a resilient population. However, Taiwan like any nation is not perfect and there are many social and economic issues that are damaging it's fabric. I'm happy the interview is not solely dedicated to China and actually allows Taiwan a voice of it's own so well done Team and glad to see that Tang corrected Alastair about the PRC 'retaking' Taiwan, when in fact they never tool Taiwan in the first place.
OK so as a former Partner of a big consulting/accounting firm I'm a big fan of her closing comments about the public communicating directly with government.
OK so I started to listen to this on Spotify and need to watch here from the beginning again because this is first class.
Love long and prosper ! Brilliant.
Truly an interesting and thought-provoking interview
Worth watching more than once. Excellent interview!
I didn't expect to listen to such a wonderful interview. Support Taiwan!
One of the most interesting Leadings you've done
Fascinating interview. Amazing interviewee.
Much food for thought.
Great interview. Rory was clearly delighted throughout - he didn't stop grinning - and that was very much my feeling. A slight shame that Alastair conflates China and Taiwan at one point. Let's assume it was a slip of the tongue. Anyway, he was very gently slapped down by Audrey on "retake", and he took it very nicely.
Mom is still asleep but i woke up early and often use this quiet time to view interesting content.
'Broadlistening' - brilliant
Another very interesting show lads. Cheers :)
amazing
This shouldve been a two parter!
Taiwan and South Korea used to be poor military dicatorships. It is very impressive indeed their progress the last ca 50 years :)
Kind of set the example for China and still could do politically? Clearly China has been able to do the same economical revolution in many parts of China already...
I have been to Taiwan and am going back again ASAP.
It is a paradise.
It's fine. Lots of good points. Lots of problems.
@@EdwardLindon what would you see as the problems?
Didn't Taiwan increase public trust in politicians by 600%, not 60% as stated in the standfirst?
A 60% increase would only get you to 16% from 10% as I see it, not to 70%..
"Percentage points" is perhaps what was meant.
I would love to live in Taiwan what a fine country.
I have, if you like scooters it's a great country
@@jamess-shaw5464 I am a scooter lover 😂
Same. Although I am TERRIFIED of earthquakes (having been in a couple)
@webMonkey_ Unfortunately, scooters - or rather the people who drive them - are a scourge to public safety. it's not even safe walking on the pavements in most places.
@@davrothelegendFully agree! I find myself having to walk right next to the walls of buildings. I used to live in Singapore where they policed hoon scooter drivers quite quickly. But in Brisbane it’s downright dangerous.
I think it's a mistake for people/Rory/AC to see this as something that is trying to replace government, we've done that already with consultants. This is about finding an alternative to the reliance on a web of totally unaccountable, undemocratic, uninspired, (oligarchic) consultancies that have decayed our own civil service. Instead of a relying on PwC grads to give us a rehashed report on what they think the problems of the NHS etc., we now have the technology to explore/condense mass level insights of what the problems even are in the first place, in a way that is meaningful, public, accountable, and democratic.
I got a bit lost, but we need people who are open and expert in given fields to be in government.
Taiwan I think must be the most wonderful place that I've visited.
Audrey is very inspiring. I wonder how such ideas and procedures would work in this country. China / Tai Wan is a very different place - far less individualistic.
There is no such place as "China /Tai Wan" and Taiwan is plenty individualistic, thanks.
48:03 - This kind of seflishness is why we dont get progress on these kind of things. Those cumbrian GPS may indeed find it just as easy, but for someone with, say, reduced mobility, it would be a massive improvement to have access to a GP via video conferencing software. For people whos profession it is to make other peoples lives better, they sure do a whole lot of keeping peoples lives the same.
I think you underestimate the extreme lengths that many, probably most, GPs go to in trying to provide the best possible service to their patients within the huge constraints and pressures they face.
Life is much more complicated than you seem to imagine. The situation is beyond the capacity of individual GPs to resolve. Having had some fairly extensive dealings with the health service over the years trying to organise future provision, and a sister who worked on the patient facing frontline (not as a GP) and who suffered terribly due to the shortcomings of the IT systems and complexity of the wider organisation (as did her patients), I am sure that it will be much more than the goodwill of GPs standing in the way of delivering the sort of services Rory Stewart dreams of for Cumbria.
Notice, for instance, how often Audrey Tang mentioned the Taiwanese government investing in this, that and the other. When the NHS can currently barely manage to keep its most basic services for the masses running, what should be further cut in order to provide IT provision for the benefit of a handful of people in rural Cumbria, desirable though that might be.
Covid has changed the picture on this somewhat. That appointment with the consultant about Parkinsons now probably takes place in a video call. I for example have never had physical appointment with my endocronolgist for 2 years... they have all been by video. Saying that this is also exclusionary to those who cannot use such technology (ie hard of hearing) or do not have such technology or struggle to use it. So options need to be provided.
It would be interesting to find out about the state of environmental degradation in Taiwan and the govt/civic position.
I wonder if Taiwan is such a "high trust society" because it is so homogenus. Low immigration?
Considering that around 12% of the population are immigrants or descendants of immigrants from China in 1949, not really.
There's plenty of environmental degradation - the heavy industries get shunted off into poor areas, the nuclear waste shipped off to remote islands. The air is pretty bad - not least because pollutants are carried over from China, but also because Taiwan is a car-centric society along US lines.
AC can never understand why people ever disagree with his point of view
Im starting to see why AC is so widley disliked. He is so partisan in his way of thinking and line of questioning
When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Even when asked to give a non-tech example, she started talking about broadband and tele-doctoring. And the AI moderated citizen assembly stuff at the end... Dystopian.
Dystopian? I really want you to explain your point further because as it stands this is surface level facetious critique
@@MegaShiney99 Surface-level, granted. But not facetious! I think having concerns about black-box algorithms intervening in democratic decision-making is not unwarranted.
@@frankanon798 You mean the transcription and summary of public contributions through video chat? You may as well scaremonger about the "black box broadcasting" that diffuses the election results from the BBC to your living room. The fact that *you* don't know how it works does not mean that *no-one* knows; nor does it mean that it constitutes *interference*, as opposed to facilitation.
Until now I have greatly enjoyed your podcasts. This latest episode is, in my view, tedious beyond belief. Your guests obviously will not be to everyone’s liking but this is a real low.
Incidentally your podcasts were about the best but Katty and the Mooch are really reaching the highest points in every way. Please keep up your normally fascinating work. Thank you
Why?