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Joe Doerkson Early Career Deep Dive Ep 252
Ep 252 Joe Doerkson Early Career Deep Dive
Joe Doerkson is Canadas first 50 Fight Club member
Hailing from Manitoba Canada Joe Doerkson was a guy that had to make BIG sacrifices in order dedicate himself to a life of fighting. Having never said no to a fight, it will surprise you as to the opponents he faced and the pay associated with them. This interview is a walk through what we at the LOP would call a legendary career; a hard to track down interview with one of the sports more elusive fighters. Please share this interview and give Joe Doerkson the respect that he deserves.
Ep 252 Joe Doerkson Early Career Deep Dive
0:00 plugs/ promotions
0:42 Lytes out intro
1:01 Joey Venti’s guest introduction
1:25 interview start
2:17 current life
3:54 training with Giuseppe Denatale
5:18 Joe Doerkson vs Patrick Cote
7:21 confusion after Patrick Cote fight
11:26 getting concussed during fights
13:08 Mt. Rushmore of Canadian fighters
14:44 turning down fights due to low pay
16:47 reason for becoming a fighter
20:01 Bas Rutten Invitational 16 man tournament
22:53 learning jiu jitsu for the first time
26:17 realizing becoming a fighter was possible
31:51 connecting with Monte Cox
33:42 not getting paid for Bas Rutten Invitational
35:33 Joe Doerkson vs Chris Custer
38:15 surreal feelings when being in the cage
41:31 Joe Doerkson vs Matt Hughes
47:19 Joe Doerkson vs Mark Jaquith
48:40 Joe Doerkson vs Lee Murray
52:53 Lee Murray taking responsibility for actions
56:34 showing up late to Mike Huesser fight
1:00:11 getting a call from Becky Levi
1:04:48 Joe Doerkson vs Adrien Serrano
1:07:03 Joe Doerkson vs Mark Waters
1:10:40 cost of flights
1:12:23 being cornered by Rich Franklin
1:14:21 Joe Doerkson vs Ray McDaniel
1:16:25 “cancelled bout” with Falaniko Vitale
1:16:55 Joe Doerkson vs Stephan Potvin
1:18:37 dealings with Stephan Patry
1:20:38 Joe Doerkson vs Egan Inoue
1:23:04 making a change after 3 straight losses
1:24:46 experience with Shawn Tompkins
1:28:24 Joe Doerkson vs Denis Kang
1:35:08 Super Brawl 30
1:40:11 Joe Doerkson vs Brendan Seguin
1:41:43 Local Celebrity in hometown
1:44:15 taking a year off due to injury
1:45:29 Joe Doerkson vs Danny Anderson
1:47:20 Joe Doerkson vs Riki Fukuda
1:49:57 Joe Doerkson vs Chris Leben
1:58:36 getting the call for the UFC
1:59:44 Joe Doerkson vs Joe Riggs
2:03:01 Joe Doerkson vs Ed Herman
2:05:04 career regrets
2:06:59 invited to hang with Biker gangs
2:10:07 Joe Doerkson vs Kalib Starnes
2:12:06 fights dealing with real life before fights
2:17:01 interview wrap up
2:18:37 Outro/ final thoughts
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  • @slothmaster101
    @slothmaster101 58 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

    Joe Doerkson is like a more mellow Harold Howard.

  • @Kylemcquillz
    @Kylemcquillz ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Christmas came early with this one! Doerkson vs Jason Mcdonald in ufc was one of the best rounds of grappling in mma !

  • @KyloRen-j9v
    @KyloRen-j9v 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Rickson is so overrated its so cringe. Dude fought cans in pride. He wouldve gotten flat lined just like kron gracie

  • @paleo704
    @paleo704 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Yeah Zane, but did you win a Kumite ? No….ok

  • @guernica8487
    @guernica8487 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    W

  • @wlbernie
    @wlbernie 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Competing in a sport you know nothing about and losing to a stupid rule is not a defeat. Rickson should definitely not count it.

    • @LytesOutMMAHistory
      @LytesOutMMAHistory 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Rickson won the tournament 2x prior… What are your thoughts about counting submissions in practice as wins?

    • @wlbernie
      @wlbernie 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That’s stupid as well. But that’s what everyone did back then because MMA didn’t exist. Remember the early days of NHB peoples “records” would be hundreds of fights.

    • @LytesOutMMAHistory
      @LytesOutMMAHistory 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      So a guy that has never been defeated, counts his wins in practice Has never won a state or national championship is ok with you… but not this What about the additional 50 wins that have been added to his record in ten last 10 years?

    • @wlbernie
      @wlbernie 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@LytesOutMMAHistory I don’t think he’s necessarily counting practice matches. It’s street fights, challenge matches, etc. And he won the World Jiujitsu Championship multiple times

    • @LytesOutMMAHistory
      @LytesOutMMAHistory 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      What years did he win a world BJJ championship and who was the opponents? In the last 10 years Rickson has not had an additional 50 street fights and challenge matches He currently lists himself as 450-0

  • @ricky4709
    @ricky4709 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great interview! I know many of those guys. Please interview Steve Owen of Tucson Dojo. Roland it's good to see you again. Find out who promoted Marc Zee, Steve knows everyone, great guy. Chris you should have asked Roland who were the main people who put the pressure on him in Arizona, and how it went down. Who were the "monkeys?" that Roland spoke of? Ask Roland if he's going to get his black belt and start another academy?

  • @jasongotch8099
    @jasongotch8099 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Jacare in Fabio's coach

  • @JohnnyButtons
    @JohnnyButtons 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Back when my son was born I wanted to name him “Spencer Fisher”… our last name is “King” btw. My wife wasn’t on board with it. She said, “you’re not naming our Son after a UFC fighter! You already named our cat Gracie!” I thought Spencer Fisher King would’ve been a great name 🤷🏻

    • @LytesOutMMAHistory
      @LytesOutMMAHistory 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      My dogs named Gracie! Gordeau or Tuli will be our next pets name

  • @JohnnyButtons
    @JohnnyButtons 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    As for the pyramids, modern archaeologists have changed our beliefs of the Giza plateau pyramids being built with slave labor. Also, Egyptians, Greeks, Persians, Romans and other civilizations have used massive cranes, pulleys and leverage for thousands of years. There’s even videos online of one man moving multi-ton stones by himself. Humans back then had A LOT of time on their hands for projects like that. They didn’t have the internet to waste hours a day on lol.

    • @LytesOutMMAHistory
      @LytesOutMMAHistory 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      look at the older buildings in major cities Temple of Baalbek Technology’s different than ours at one time existed Look up Tataria, it will put you in a rabbit hole

  • @Joe-sk5kp
    @Joe-sk5kp 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I can't believe I missed this one! This was a great interview.. Man people may not realize it now, but you're building a library of history on tape /audio. I've been a fan and listener since the first year it started. So addicting. Thanks for all the amazing content! Hopefully you get gary on again, seems like he has stories for days. Love it! Happy holidays from 🍁

    • @LytesOutMMAHistory
      @LytesOutMMAHistory 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That is the goal A library where everything can be found in the same spot It is also important to us that history is recorded correctly; our process of gathering information and questions is exactly the with every guest

  • @Alexander_Tronstad
    @Alexander_Tronstad 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Spencer was a beast back in the day. But Miletich seemed to drive guys pretty hard..

  • @jiujudo1307
    @jiujudo1307 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Aleksandr Karelin would have RAGDOLLED Rickson! And, Rickson knew it.

    • @LytesOutMMAHistory
      @LytesOutMMAHistory 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Can you imagine that main event….

    • @jiujudo1307
      @jiujudo1307 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@LytesOutMMAHistory All three minutes😗

    • @LytesOutMMAHistory
      @LytesOutMMAHistory 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      In essence he was a bigger and stronger Mark Schultz

  • @turntablesrockmyworld9315
    @turntablesrockmyworld9315 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Just some perspective: Carlson flipped flopped a lot depending on his feelings of the other side of the family. He once said that Rickson was the best BJJ grappler. Then he got mad at the family for some reason and said Liborio would crush him, etc. We also have to remember, byt he time Rickson fought in Jqpqn in the mid-1990s in Vale Tudo tournaments, he was already 35. When he faced Funaki, he was 40. Time was not on his side with the rise of modern MMA and he was a generation too early.

    • @LytesOutMMAHistory
      @LytesOutMMAHistory 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thank You for your balanced insight - send me your address and shirt size through Instagram

  • @Slymo11
    @Slymo11 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Did he say that after Schultz tapped Fabio Santos the second time his then girlfriend (now wife) started screaming? 😂

    • @LytesOutMMAHistory
      @LytesOutMMAHistory 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      There is a reason that Mark Schultz was never invited to compete at ADCC The Brazilians knew that none of them were going to beat him

  • @GeneClick
    @GeneClick 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I actually got Blue Belt from Chris Saunders in 1999. From what i understand it was the first Blue Belt testing he had done. It SUCKED lol.. it was basically 4 hours of situational sparring. I kept thinking how bad would a purple belt testing be!?

  • @Thechazifier
    @Thechazifier 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Greek Wrestler was Stefan

  • @stephenbradford7936
    @stephenbradford7936 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    We need more Paul Vunak stories!

  • @Billy14Bob
    @Billy14Bob 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    In the same vein, it would be interesting to hear an interview with Craig Kukuk. I feel like he knows where a lot of the skeletons are, idk how honest he would be about it though.

  • @steve12121
    @steve12121 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Weed is amazing. Way better then alcohol.

  • @carlosmaranhao3878
    @carlosmaranhao3878 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Racist

  • @seandrew3889
    @seandrew3889 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    44:50 Rickson and Rorion split

  • @stephenbradford7936
    @stephenbradford7936 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    th-cam.com/video/XlVc7hDvAYg/w-d-xo.html I didn't see Peretti jump into the ring.

  • @KingMob4313
    @KingMob4313 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Is there an english interview on this channel too?

  • @KingMob4313
    @KingMob4313 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I didn't know that Danger Zone was Becki's org! Guys from "Metro Fight Club" fought on that extensively: Dave Gardner, David Garcia, "Bad" Brad Burrick all fought in them.

  • @KingMob4313
    @KingMob4313 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Holy CRAP I didn't know Rudman was the one behind the AFC! Huge man in MMA!

  • @KingMob4313
    @KingMob4313 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    20:02 -- White boi jujitsu, almost all of the Original "Dirty Dozen" talk honestly about it, but people still don't want to acknowledge it.

  • @jiujudo1307
    @jiujudo1307 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I was paying $180 a month for 3 classes a week, summer 1994. Mark, the German instructor was the enforcer! He was a beast. John Burke was Royce and Rorion loved him. He was taught "special" techniques that all the other guys in the instructor's program would b*tch about. Sam, the Academy manager would sell merch under the table, so I heard🤐 I'll bounce back and forth as to what I remember. I was there from July1994 - Oct 1996. When Joe fought in the UFC Rorion said if he wins, he's from the Gracie Academy. I came in as a judo BB. I was promoted quickly, left a 4-stripe blue. Higher than some instructors. I recall the first time seeing Chris Brennan. It was at our in house Academy tournament at a High School in Manhattan Beach, April 1996. I never had any interaction with Joe. No offense, he walked around like he was too cool for everyone. Lowell didn't like me! He was teaching the "Mixed Class" for Royce one night. Before class me and another Judoka were throwing one another around. Lowell walked in, shook his head "One of you guys is going to get hurt!" I replied "No, were both Judo BB we know what we're doing." WRONG ANSWER! I guess I should have bowed for his forgiveness. "WE DON'T TOLERATE DISRESPECT HERE, YOUR DONE FOR THE NIGHT." I let it go. I had a great relationship with Royce. I thought about telling him, But no. I even attempted to apologize to Lowell but he walk away. He never made eye contact with me again. Richard, GREAT GUY! He always had that wrist brace on. You could see the pain in face at times. I trained with Erik Paulson at boxing works once a week and went to his open mats on Sunday. Erik was a Great dude! He truly like Royce! He one the first Gracie in House Tournament. Rorion banned him from Torrance. I only know one version. During sparing once we started from a standing position. I think that only happened three or four times I was there? Helio was watching the class (I was unaware) I was killing it will my specialty, trips to a clock choke. Helio called Royce over and the began to have a discussion loud enough for Rorion to come out of his office and listen. Minutes later I was summoned over, no one looked pleased. Rorion Translated for Helio, "What was my martial arts background, have I ever fought before, am I training anywhere else, more questions, I can't recall. I take it Helio was impressed with me. After class Rorion ask me if I want to spar with Royce? I said "FIGHT?" No, Jiu-Jitsu sparring. After Royce stretched for 10 mins, with just Helio and Rorion in the room, we started to spar. Standing up to the ground for about 15 min's.

  • @slothmaster101
    @slothmaster101 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Machado's > Gracie's

  • @darryldessa6444
    @darryldessa6444 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Frank had an Independent mindset.

  • @stephenbradford7936
    @stephenbradford7936 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I wanted to hear more about Vunak!

  • @BJJandBS
    @BJJandBS 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Trained a lot with Zane back in Phoenix in the 90's. He and Mark Kerr are largely responsible for a large portion of my injuries I have now into my 50's. No regrets, we used to go hard!! Good times.

    • @LytesOutMMAHistory
      @LytesOutMMAHistory 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I would not want to be on the receiving end of either of those two lol

    • @BJJandBS
      @BJJandBS 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@LytesOutMMAHistory it wasn't fun.

  • @devriestown
    @devriestown 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Niceeeeee 🔥

  • @BJJandBS
    @BJJandBS 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    He's trying to say LIMAO, not Limon. Roland is notorious for saying everyone's name wrong.

    • @scarred10
      @scarred10 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The man is a compulsive liar , he cannot seem to help himself, lying and bragging like the most obnoxious american ever.

    • @scarred10
      @scarred10 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Luis heredia ricksons black belt instructor

    • @BJJandBS
      @BJJandBS 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@scarred10 correct. We called him Limao

  • @RickyIcecubes
    @RickyIcecubes 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Jason Thacker was the jobber of TUF 1

  • @TimOKeefe
    @TimOKeefe 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My man Roland!---you know I love your humor!

  • @scotty.1649
    @scotty.1649 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    1:07:49 "Chad Sonnen". Is he talking about Uncle Chael? Homer Moore was a Rock!

    • @LytesOutMMAHistory
      @LytesOutMMAHistory 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Correct Chael bear Homer in Hawaii

  • @scotty.1649
    @scotty.1649 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    46:00 Unfortunately, Kron got KO slammed by Bryce Mitchell last Saturday night. I discovered the Gracies in 1994 on VHS tapes. Since then, the Gracie name and Gracie Jiu Jitsu have grown exponentially, like I knew it would. But I think UFC 310 was the end of the Gracies in the UFC. Kron fought like it was 1996. The sport has evolved way beyond Gracie JJ. He showed no stand up striking or wrestling. He came close with an armbar, but I don't expect to see him compete anymore. Kind of sad. But the Legacy the family is leaving behind in the Octagon is quite incredible.

    • @LytesOutMMAHistory
      @LytesOutMMAHistory 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I look at it this way There is only a few Gracie’s that can legitimately call themselves “world champion” Royce - UFC Royler - ADCC Roger - ADCC Kyra - ADCC Kron - ADCC All won world titles It’s an incredible feat coming from one family

    • @slothmaster101
      @slothmaster101 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@LytesOutMMAHistoryDo you consider Renzo, Rickson, and Ralph to be legit world champions? or nah?

    • @LytesOutMMAHistory
      @LytesOutMMAHistory 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Rickson - never won a regional/state or national Jiu Jitsu title Renzo - phenomenal competitor, not afraid of anyone. My favorite Gracie - Not a world champion Ralph, very short MMA career and didn’t compete in ADCC Daniel Gracie won the 1998 ADCC title, I left him off the list

    • @slothmaster101
      @slothmaster101 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@LytesOutMMAHistory I believe Renzo won a ADCC title in 98'?

    • @bobby9192
      @bobby9192 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@slothmaster101and 2000 I thought. Maybe I’m wrong

  • @scotty.1649
    @scotty.1649 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    41:00 Enson?

    • @debraco7748
      @debraco7748 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      David Kama or ryan young. Ryan does the kama podcast

  • @scotty.1649
    @scotty.1649 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    13:20 BOBISH

  • @scotty.1649
    @scotty.1649 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    9:32 I had to do a minute of research. Hes referring to Stefanos Miltsakakis. Old schooler. Big guy. Passed away 2019.

    • @debraco7748
      @debraco7748 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Stefano was the headbuster at ricksons

    • @LytesOutMMAHistory
      @LytesOutMMAHistory 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Please send us your shirt size and address through Instagram You need help!!! lol I never would have gotten that

    • @LytesOutMMAHistory
      @LytesOutMMAHistory 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @debraco Shirt size and address through Instagram I can’t believe that you two have this much knowledge I am taking a note with this information and will use it in future interview questions

    • @debraco7748
      @debraco7748 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@LytesOutMMAHistoryI have no instagrams

    • @LytesOutMMAHistory
      @LytesOutMMAHistory 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Email it to me

  • @devriestown
    @devriestown 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    MAN, I would love to meet oleg 🙏✝️🙏

  • @user-dm3uq4sz1u
    @user-dm3uq4sz1u 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    😊🙏

  • @devriestown
    @devriestown 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Amazing guy's 👏 💪🫡✝️💪🫡✝️

  • @devriestown
    @devriestown 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm not getting notifications 😒 😕 😑 The bell 🔔 is on

  • @RobertSmith-us7gs
    @RobertSmith-us7gs 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Mark is a legend

  • @DavidGarcia-sh8gt
    @DavidGarcia-sh8gt 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Rickson did not have thick cauliflower ears in 1994 when we met. Rickson tells everyone they're the toughest opponent- he's being polite.

  • @TheDrewsperience
    @TheDrewsperience 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Legend, I met him in Japan 🇯🇵 at a Kyokushin Karate tournament. Super salt of earth guy, straight shooter but super down to earth appreciated the photo he took with me.

    • @LytesOutMMAHistory
      @LytesOutMMAHistory 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Man… I would fly to where he is at with the sole purpose of getting a picture

    • @TheDrewsperience
      @TheDrewsperience 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@LytesOutMMAHistory I can DM it to you guys on Instagram if you have an IG page.

    • @LytesOutMMAHistory
      @LytesOutMMAHistory 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Please do

  • @themidnightcowboy-singerex4594
    @themidnightcowboy-singerex4594 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm a former student of Frank Dux in North Hollywood, and I don't believe this Dude. In what year did this fight incident happen...? 😅

    • @LytesOutMMAHistory
      @LytesOutMMAHistory 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I believe that it was early 1993 The fight absolutely took place

    • @themidnightcowboy-singerex4594
      @themidnightcowboy-singerex4594 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @LytesOutMMAHistory I trained with Dux around 1980

    • @LytesOutMMAHistory
      @LytesOutMMAHistory 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That’s awesome!!! This incident was the main reason that Zane was asked to fight in UFC 1 In Art Davies book he writes about seeing the aftermath that involved the police Was Frank as eccentric as people say???

    • @paleo704
      @paleo704 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@themidnightcowboy-singerex4594that’s Aweosme man.

  • @Mercuricmike
    @Mercuricmike 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Legend