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We never report something that isn't true, if you need to hear Mike say the specific words himself watch our most recent upload - th-cam.com/video/-76kRykXgZo/w-d-xo.html

That is a great point.

God always gets the glory, as a glory cultist myself you sir are not of this cult

Makes more sense that this channel and the people on it are calvinists. The hypocrisy makes sense now.

OkieAllDay, what you are saying is false. We do not believe that at all.

@@doctrinalwatchdogactive6454 So you disagree that God ordains all things in the world?

Have you even watched Wingers original video?

A Christian can be in error but if they (especially a pastor) if they are involved in ongoing sin, teaching a false gospel, ignoring correction, they are to be admonished twice and then excommunicated / marked and avoided Titus 3:10, Romans 16:17-18. Jesus says we are to regard such a person as a wolf, or at least a heathen or a tax collector so that means you don't go around telling everyone they are a brother in Christ. Winger is way out of line on this one but he is a charismatic and it's understood among charismatics that you go light on each other.

@@doctrinalwatchdogactive6454 The fact you think Mike Winger is a charismatic shows that you have never actually watched him. Not suprised by a calvinist though. Modern day pharisees.

@@doctrinalwatchdogactive6454 This seems like a fair answer based on scripture. Is it fair to say then that they these guys (Osteen & White) might be Christians, but only God knows if they really are in their heart? And at the very least, we as Christians should stay very far away from these guys and certainly not affirm them. Is that a fair way to assess that in your eyes?

Jemeyezedten3930 you say we are not motivated by love. Okay, and you know this how? Is MIke motivated by love when he does expose videos? Is Winger the olny guy who is allowed to do this, are you biased because you like and agree with his charismatic theology and you don't like our conservative Calvinistic theology? Why do you make false accusations against us? We have literally thousands of videos uploaded and what percentage of those videos are about Mike Winger? Its less than %0.01 so hardly obsessive and certainly not bitter but we find it interesting that you think you can judge our motives and read our mind. Besides Winger critiques people every time the camera is on, but when we critique him you flip out and judge us, so why can Mike do it but we cant? Mike is clearly wrong about this, Osteen, Todd White and Kris Vollotton are not brothers, Volotton is literally a false prophet who claimed direct revelation from God and even admits his prophecy was false. Mike said real prophecy and real healing were coming out of Bethel despite their hereys and prosperity teachings, do you agree with Mike Winger about that? Yes or no?

You are a pharisee

So Ruslan wasn't happy Mike went soft on Joel? Mike has called Joel a wolf? No, our information is totally accurate but it does make Mike Winger look bad so therefore Winger fans twist things to try and make ol DW look like a liar. You guys are the ones in the wrong, and Winger looks bad because of what WINGER said and because of who he fellowships with, don't complain about the guy pointing it out why don't you complain to the guy actually defending Osteen as a brother. In reality Osteen should have been under discipline and him and his wife excommunicated for heresy a long time ago, if we lived in more sane times Osteen would not have a platform at all. smh

It's nepotism, Osteen made his wife and children "pastors"! It's all a money making scam, they are clearly false shepherds but Mike Winger refuses to admit the obvious because he preaches the gospel of niceness.

@@doctrinalwatchdogactive6454because not everyone uses the slash and burn technique. If are not that guy?, you are not that guy. However Mike uses good sound research and issues public apologies when he’s in error. Not everyone is going to overturn the tables and use a lash to get rid of the money changers from the temple.

You are the one slandering pal. In order for something to be slander it must be false. We said Mike and Ruslan say Osteen is a brother and not a wolf, that is true as the video demonstrates. Stop twisting what we said, the video title doesn't say "Mike Winger approves of Joel Osteen" - maybe go and get your glasses then apologize for slandering. You lied, not us.

@@doctrinalwatchdogactive6454 For someone to think of another as a brother, they would have to approve of what they do. Because Mike clearly condemns the teachings and ways of Joel Osteen, how can he also think that he is a brother? Your logic makes zero sense. In addition, I made no lie. I've watch this video multiple times to try to see where Mike Winger calls Osteen a brother, but no such claim was made. I don't mean to come off as bashing, but this video seems to be just clickbait and a way for others who don't watch the video to make a claim that the clip doesn't even support. Furthermore, your response indicates some sort of malice. I am not angry in any sense, and I don't know why you would be either, but there is no reason to be angry. I'm just hear to try to understand why you are here trying to cause division in the Kingdom of God, especially in a place where nothing was done. You are just trying to trash others' names without evidence, and its really sad to see. If I somehow still missed where Mike Winger expresses that Joel is a brother, give me a timestamp and a quote where he clearly says it. All I see in the video is Mike telling how his video critiquing Joel Osteen was taken down and how he handled it in a godly manner. All-in-all, I'm here to have a civil discussion and expect that you are here to do the same, and would appreciate if you would engage without being so defensive and bashful in your responses.

Exactly. Im a subscriber but this video is stupid. I don’t even like Mike winger but that doesn’t give us the right to straight up make a false headline

@@roberttrevino62800 you guys are unreal. They are talking about how Winger treats Osteen as a brother and NOT a wolf, its literally stated outright and then you deny it and claim they said something they never said. Besides we have other videos confirming many times Winger has called Osteen a brother, anyone who follows him knows that is his position. Now does Winger criticize Osteen, yes. We never said otherwise, but you need to pay attention, you can criticize someone as an erring brother or you can criticize someone as a wolf. Go back and watch and then apologize for lying about us.

​@doctrinalwatchdogactive6454 being wrong does not a wolf make. You're engaging in mind reading, assuming Osteens expressed goal is to lead people to another gospel. The prosperity gospel still points to Christ, but gives the wrong motivation. The woman at the well wanted the living water to never have to draw water again, but ultimately received something much more powerful. Osteen, undoubtedly, has created more true believers than you and those who act like you. If we are to judge by fruit, and using your standard, then you are the wolf.

@@doctrinalwatchdogactive6454 nah you’re off on this one. Mike winger is literally saying in this video how osteen blocked his video and they both laugh because it proves how scared and cowardice osteen is. Ruslan (who I also don’t like) literally says “you didn’t even call him a wolf”, which means that Osteen is even more of a coward for striking a softball video

@@roberttrevino62800 not talking about Osteen being a coward, the point is Winger calls him a brother, do you deny that? Watch our recent upload, Winger on multiple occasions has said Osteen, Todd White, Bethel, they are brothers in Christ and they are not wolves. We have documented evidence and we are presenting this recent podcast showing this is still where Mike and Ruslan stand, and yet you deny this how?

If Christ and Scripture are the gold standard, we are in good hands.. Good thing those are what Mike Winger used to prove that Joel Osteen is acting in ways that disqualify him from being in leadership!!!

Interesting point. Clearly anyone with half a brain and the Holy Spirit can recognize White & Copeland are wolves. If Ruslan walked into a church 70 years ago would any true church accept him as a member? Doubtful.

So MacArthur is beyond reproach?

MacArthur is a bigger false teacher than any of these people.

Where has he trashed them?