@@cultdoctor100 The brunt of the responsibility is on him. She was barely 20 years old when this thing started. Practically a child. He was three times her age. He should have been a protector. He should have protected her. He is old, and supposedly wise. Educated. He knows the ways of the world. he could’ve nipped this in the bud. He didn’t.
@cynthiahunter2570 no. A 20 year old knows it's wrong to mess around with a married man. She made a conscious choice to participate in an adulterous relationship.
GCC is not trying to downplay the story. They are ridding their church community of a person who could further harm the believers they minister to. I applaud them. JMac addressed it very clearly.
@ not always. MacArthur allowed sexual sin to go unchecked before which is why one of the elders previously left. This celebrity pastor madness needs to stop for the sake of unity.
@ That sounds like slander of MacArthur. What I know of MacArthur as a man of God, he would never allow any sexual sin to go unchecked. Are you sure this was not another slanderous lie from the like of July Roys, who desires with all her heart for MacArthur to fall because he is against female pastors?
@@SaltAndGracePoetry no. It circulated on other Christian platforms. MacArthur has been greatly used worldwide and I’m grateful for his ministry. But he’s not without flaws. He previously baptized a transgendered man! Thankfully, he corrected the matter right away but he definitely did not exercise discernment and did not ask the individual for his testimony. And to gently correct you, slander is making false accusations. These are not false accusations because there were witnesses.
Except she wasn’t a woman with this started. She was barely 20 years old. He’s been around the block. He knows what’s going on. She was practically a child. He could’ve stopped this. It was his job to protect her.
@cynthiahunter2570 stop coping!!! If that was a 20 year old man with a 50 year old prominent female minister/theologian, he would be getting blasted nonstop!
I don’t think it was “abuse” in that sense but clearly he abused his power and influential role as a seducing method. She is full accountable but his role, well, speaks for itself.
More of one! This commentator is off base in terms of standing as the responsibility of the blame is on the one with higher authority. She will stand before the Lord for her own actions but regardless of her actions Lawson is totally guilty and this guy should know that.
Where has he said anything different? He’s routinely spoken at length of the disgraceful character of Lawson. Just because he pointed out that she is a typical whore doesn’t mean he’s softened the responsibility Lawson shares in this affair.
I'm sorry, she is not a homewrecker. She is an adultress and partially responsible, but Lawson holds the larger share. Teachers are held to a higher standard. I suppose some of you think Bathsheba was the problem with King David!
She is a homewrecker, why are you defending sin? Nobody claimed Lawson isn't guilty or even more guilty, he is more guilty but she is still a homewrecker by the very definition of the word. Get a grip!
There's very little proof at this stage of what occurred, so to expose this woman like this is dangerous. We don't even know what happened. Everything is alleged.
@JackSi-re4pi groomed? As a woman, I'm insulted. She was a full-grown woman. Not a child. I don't care about the leftists' lie of power dynamics. They are adults who are doing what people have done for eons. It's called cheating. It takes two people to do that. I'm pretty sure if she was raised in a Christian home, she knew it was wrong to go after a married man.
Ray Fava is not a source. I've spoken to witnesses. The responsibility and blame falls on a lot of people, but it is mostly GCC. You might be right, the affair might have happened. The details may never be known. Until people press on GCC for more details or Lawson himself (have you emailed him for a response?), it's anyone's guess. I, on the other hand, think that GCC should investigate more and start the discipline process, but doing so would anger her family who are very wealthy donors. MacArthur won't do that. He won't bite the hand that feeds. You have to understand, there is something far more nefarious going on here that is outside our view at present. Unless you have proof, you do know you're putting a young woman in danger. Find Lawson, he's not hard to find and tell him to repent.
@@doctrinalwatchdogactive6454 I support your channel with my ridiculous comment. LOL Thanks. You have no proof this is the right woman or that anything was done, but you're ready to judge things? Where do you think Ray got his info? Protestia? And where did Protestia get theirs? TH-cam is 5 weeks behind on their info. I didn't say she was a victim, but you're putting a woman's life in danger who may have done nothing except sit by Lawson. Lawson was a family friend, but there's no proof of anything else at this juncture.
@@doctrinalwatchdogactive6454 "Blaming MacArthur"...he's the one who hired him! He's the one that Lawson lived with after the disaster of Dauphin Way. He's the one that fired TMS students who complained about Lawson's abusive behavior. He's the one that put Lawson in the pulpit and paid him handsomely to lie about Covid? That's why Lawson came after me in 2021. I proved him wrong and he blocked me. I've known Lawson for decades. He was never a member after CFC. TMS knew that he was not qualified for ministry, let alone a professorship. It's twisted. Do you know who Deon Montgomerie is? The gay pastors on staff now? I don't know how many times I have to say this...GCC doesn't care about sin. They care about money and keeping people under submission. Get off TH-cam and talk to people, read what's really going on there.
I think I heard right,, Did you say that Steve Lawson would face punishment in heaven? Are you saying that this would happen at the throne of judgment where hell would be his fate or did you mean that he would be punished as a resident of heaven?
@silversurfer2703 they've both been leading secret double lives enabled by lying for over 5 years. I'm sure they're telling the truth this time though. LOL.
Bathsheba was not King David's prostitute, Nathan made it clear that she was innocent. The Bible says it was TAKEN by King David. A woman the king wanted would never have a chance to escape. After Uriah's death she wept bitterly because she loved him. Bathsheba was the victim and not the culprit. She suffered a lot. What is her perspective after becoming a widow and raped by the king in society at the time?
@@luizcarlos4730 Nathan did not make it clear she was innocent. That is not stated anywhere. Of course God's anointed man is more responsible but to make Bathsheba an innocent victim is absurd.
Her brain wasn’t even fully developed when this thing began. What was she? 20 years old? Do you know where the blame lies? It lies on him. He should’ve been a protector. He should have protected her with his years of maturity, knowledge,and understanding. She didn’t understand men; she was a child! He’s been around. He knows what’s going on. He should have protected her! He did not have to physically force her to be at fault. He could have stopped it. He didn’t. It was his duty to protect her.
20 years old is not a child. She's already an adult and knows perfectly well what she's doing. And from what I know, their dirty relationship started when she was 25 years old. Yes, Steve is guilty. But the prostitute is guilty of knowing he was married and didn't respect that. Don't underestimate these "girls" they like and invest until they succeed.
that is such an ignorant and sick thing to say cynthia, are you telling me that a 20 year old can be in a relationship with a 13 year old beause he is still a "child"? such a gross thing to say.... wow im baffled.
Hey what about John MacArthur wrecking the home and whole life of Eileen Gray? Is that not good enough to cover? Or is JMac become your god that he can’t be guilty no matter what? It’s clear what he did was wrong, YET he’s still to publicly apologize in front of the congregation for putting Eileen on blast as well as ruining her life Sad how you want to pick sides I loved JMacs teaching and appreciate what he’s done BUT wrong is wrong
I am more and more convinced that this is only the beginning. He will lead several (Master's seminary? Ligonier? G3?) in his fall. Particularly because one of the former members of TBC would be MacArthur's son-in-law.... so John has as a son-in-law someone who knew....
A crowd of Arminians adulterating but you only see Calvinists. Here in Brazil it is a hotbed of charismatic pastors, Arminians, Pentecostals committing adultery. A rain of scandals!
@ Look in the mirror and stop living in denial. Lawson has been a condescending and judgmental Calvinist for many decades with rank and file followers like yourself lauding him for being such a great Bible expositor. The fact that none of the so called “great men of God in the Reformed tradition” that sat with him at conferences and were associated with him in various ministries had enough discernment to see what was going on, nor enough courage to question his lack of accountability within the body of Christ, should give you pause. Also, the idea that none of his failures could possibly be tied to his Calvinistic pride is ridiculous.
@@st.christopher1155 Everyone can have pride and judgmentalism, not just Calvinists. The whole point of combating Calvinism is to show it's free will choices, not locked in by association. There are Calvinists who choose not to compromise.
@ “Everyone can have pride and judgmentalism, not just Calvinists” is an overstatement of the obvious. What I have yet to hear from a devout Calvinist “layperson” is that Steve Lawson was an arrogant Calvinist and that his pride caused his fall. Its like they spent so many years lauding him for being such a “great Bible expositor”, that they refuse to accept that they were wrong about him all along and they turned a blind eye to his condescending attitude. This character flaw was very transparent to me, and I was nauseated by him the first time I ever heard him.
I think this is gone a bit too far. From what ive heard he has NOT been in any sexual sin with this woman. He might have been with her in some romantic fashion but I am beginning to doubt that too. His sin was that he was with her in some way that might have been unethical to his marriage. Yes he should ask for forgiveness publicly and be done with it.
Yeah, I'm sure they were just playing checkers and monopoly when they would fly into the city to hook up with each other, nothing sexual at all....right! smh. Dude, seriously, get a clue!
@@doctrinalwatchdogactive6454 You have no proof of that. Neither does Morrill. They're playing both sides right now and you're fueling the fire with these currently baseless claims.
about time someone exposes this. So tired of women escaping accountability
Agreed!! Her face and name should have been shown a long time ago. She needs held accountable, as does he.
@@theselittlepigsstayedhome How is she to be held accountable? Does she have to wear a Scarlet A on her clothing?
@alogicallook why not show her?
I totally agree, thank you. She needs to be held accountable as well. It takes two to tango.
Steve is just as much a homewrecker
Boom
That's understood already. His mistress has went unscathed till now. That's the point. 2 people sinned but only Lawson was known by name until now.
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The brunt of the responsibility is on him. She was barely 20 years old when this thing started. Practically a child. He was three times her age. He should have been a protector. He should have protected her. He is old, and supposedly wise. Educated. He knows the ways of the world. he could’ve nipped this in the bud. He didn’t.
@@cynthiahunter2570 20 year olds know full well what they are doing.
@cynthiahunter2570 no. A 20 year old knows it's wrong to mess around with a married man. She made a conscious choice to participate in an adulterous relationship.
GCC is not trying to downplay the story. They are ridding their church community of a person who could further harm the believers they minister to. I applaud them. JMac addressed it very clearly.
Where is church discipline in this? She was a member was she not?
@@superazmed3246She would 100% be disciplined. They do that with all sin which is not repented of. The Church is and has been, above all reproach.
@ not always. MacArthur allowed sexual sin to go unchecked before which is why one of the elders previously left. This celebrity pastor madness needs to stop for the sake of unity.
@ That sounds like slander of MacArthur. What I know of MacArthur as a man of God, he would never allow any sexual sin to go unchecked. Are you sure this was not another slanderous lie from the like of July Roys, who desires with all her heart for MacArthur to fall because he is against female pastors?
@@SaltAndGracePoetry no. It circulated on other Christian platforms. MacArthur has been greatly used worldwide and I’m grateful for his ministry. But he’s not without flaws. He previously baptized a transgendered man! Thankfully, he corrected the matter right away but he definitely did not exercise discernment and did not ask the individual for his testimony. And to gently correct you, slander is making false accusations. These are not false accusations because there were witnesses.
Based
Hold w*men accountable as well
Except she wasn’t a woman with this started. She was barely 20 years old. He’s been around the block. He knows what’s going on. She was practically a child. He could’ve stopped this. It was his job to protect her.
@@cynthiahunter2570 20 yrs. old isn't a woman?!!!
@cynthiahunter2570 stop coping!!! If that was a 20 year old man with a 50 year old prominent female minister/theologian, he would be getting blasted nonstop!
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No, he wouldn’t.
@@cynthiahunter2570Stop with the "she was practically a child" wow. Was she 16? No she was 25. She was a grown woman!
Excellent work
Its shameful for all involved. It does make it difficult to listen to his sermons or read his books.
I don’t think it was “abuse” in that sense but clearly he abused his power and influential role as a seducing method. She is full accountable but his role, well, speaks for itself.
Just a quick question. How does exposing this woman’s identity help the situation or the church? More sensationalism to get clicks on your channel?
So gross. ‘The Holiness of God’. No shame.
People arnt aware of sugarbaby culture. Younger women love being with older men.
Yuck, not all. Not by any stretch
@Hannah11235 you have no clue
More of one! This commentator is off base in terms of standing as the responsibility of the blame is on the one with higher authority. She will stand before the Lord for her own actions but regardless of her actions Lawson is totally guilty and this guy should know that.
Where has he said anything different? He’s routinely spoken at length of the disgraceful character of Lawson. Just because he pointed out that she is a typical whore doesn’t mean he’s softened the responsibility Lawson shares in this affair.
I'm sorry, she is not a homewrecker. She is an adultress and partially responsible, but Lawson holds the larger share. Teachers are held to a higher standard. I suppose some of you think Bathsheba was the problem with King David!
She is a homewrecker, why are you defending sin? Nobody claimed Lawson isn't guilty or even more guilty, he is more guilty but she is still a homewrecker by the very definition of the word. Get a grip!
There's very little proof at this stage of what occurred, so to expose this woman like this is dangerous. We don't even know what happened. Everything is alleged.
yeah I have posted it everywhere.
Master's Seminary, Grace Community Church, and Greece to You are in deep trouble.
“Greece to you” sounds like a Greek food truck 🛻 😂
4:56 "a lot of unbelievers in Heaven" what😂
Yea, i was confused by that too
,If that was your sister, you would have not revealed her , lol😂 something is wrong with you
Clearly
The last thing he would ever think, she was groomed and should be protected. This guy is just as a wolf like Steve lawson.
@@JackSi-re4pi hungry for views,
@JackSi-re4pi groomed? As a woman, I'm insulted. She was a full-grown woman. Not a child. I don't care about the leftists' lie of power dynamics. They are adults who are doing what people have done for eons. It's called cheating. It takes two people to do that. I'm pretty sure if she was raised in a Christian home, she knew it was wrong to go after a married man.
@@JackSi-re4pi She was an adult who made wicked choices.
Ray Fava is not a source. I've spoken to witnesses. The responsibility and blame falls on a lot of people, but it is mostly GCC.
You might be right, the affair might have happened. The details may never be known. Until people press on GCC for more details or Lawson himself (have you emailed him for a response?), it's anyone's guess.
I, on the other hand, think that GCC should investigate more and start the discipline process, but doing so would anger her family who are very wealthy donors.
MacArthur won't do that. He won't bite the hand that feeds.
You have to understand, there is something far more nefarious going on here that is outside our view at present.
Unless you have proof, you do know you're putting a young woman in danger. Find Lawson, he's not hard to find and tell him to repent.
Ridiculous comment. Somehow turning a woman acting like harlot into a victim all while blaming MacArthur. That is twisted.
@@doctrinalwatchdogactive6454 I support your channel with my ridiculous comment. LOL Thanks.
You have no proof this is the right woman or that anything was done, but you're ready to judge things? Where do you think Ray got his info? Protestia?
And where did Protestia get theirs? TH-cam is 5 weeks behind on their info.
I didn't say she was a victim, but you're putting a woman's life in danger who may have done nothing except sit by Lawson. Lawson was a family friend, but there's no proof of anything else at this juncture.
@@doctrinalwatchdogactive6454 "Blaming MacArthur"...he's the one who hired him!
He's the one that Lawson lived with after the disaster of Dauphin Way.
He's the one that fired TMS students who complained about Lawson's abusive behavior.
He's the one that put Lawson in the pulpit and paid him handsomely to lie about Covid? That's why Lawson came after me in 2021. I proved him wrong and he blocked me.
I've known Lawson for decades. He was never a member after CFC. TMS knew that he was not qualified for ministry, let alone a professorship.
It's twisted. Do you know who Deon Montgomerie is? The gay pastors on staff now? I don't know how many times I have to say this...GCC doesn't care about sin. They care about money and keeping people under submission. Get off TH-cam and talk to people, read what's really going on there.
The Shofar is still blowing.
I think I heard right,, Did you say that Steve Lawson would face punishment in heaven? Are you saying that this would happen at the throne of judgment where hell would be his fate or did you mean that he would be punished as a resident of heaven?
It’s both of there faults
Want to know the exact nature of their relationship - was it sexual? They need to clarify
Both Lawson and the woman said the realthionship was not sexual.
He paid to have her travel with him. I can’t believe that anyone would believe it wasn’t sexual! 6 years…
@@silversurfer2703 I'm sure they were just playing board games and eating milk and cookies when they met up right?
@@Pastor_Grant I'm just stating what was said. I have a hard time believing that as well.
@silversurfer2703 they've both been leading secret double lives enabled by lying for over 5 years. I'm sure they're telling the truth this time though. LOL.
Bathsheba was not accused by Nathan. Only David. There is a possibility that she began this before she was even 20.
@@toomanymarys7355 Bathsheba is still named in the Bible. At the bare minimum her name should be out there. She is an adult.
she was named though. the greater sin was David's in that case as his sin impacted the nation.
Right on
Bathsheba was not King David's prostitute, Nathan made it clear that she was innocent. The Bible says it was TAKEN by King David. A woman the king wanted would never have a chance to escape. After Uriah's death she wept bitterly because she loved him. Bathsheba was the victim and not the culprit. She suffered a lot. What is her perspective after becoming a widow and raped by the king in society at the time?
@@luizcarlos4730 Nathan did not make it clear she was innocent. That is not stated anywhere. Of course God's anointed man is more responsible but to make Bathsheba an innocent victim is absurd.
You have an absolutely terrible understanding of abuse and power dynamics. Please do not keep making videos like this. It’s not a good look for you.
Adultery is adultery. She is not innocent so stop the woke nonsense.
What color lipstick is that are you wearing? It looks nice.
Her brain wasn’t even fully developed when this thing began. What was she? 20 years old? Do you know where the blame lies? It lies on him. He should’ve been a protector. He should have protected her with his years of maturity, knowledge,and understanding. She didn’t understand men; she was a child! He’s been around. He knows what’s going on. He should have protected her! He did not have to physically force her to be at fault. He could have stopped it. He didn’t. It was his duty to protect her.
He is married. A 13 year old girl should be able to understand the law of the Lord.
20 years old is not a child. She's already an adult and knows perfectly well what she's doing. And from what I know, their dirty relationship started when she was 25 years old. Yes, Steve is guilty. But the prostitute is guilty of knowing he was married and didn't respect that. Don't underestimate these "girls" they like and invest until they succeed.
that is such an ignorant and sick thing to say cynthia, are you telling me that a 20 year old can be in a relationship with a 13 year old beause he is still a "child"? such a gross thing to say.... wow im baffled.
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I don’t know how you got that out of what I said.
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He should have protected her.
This came out 12 days Ago. On a other channel
Not her pic, and even if it did so what?
Hey what about John MacArthur wrecking the home and whole life of Eileen Gray? Is that not good enough to cover? Or is JMac become your god that he can’t be guilty no matter what?
It’s clear what he did was wrong, YET he’s still to publicly apologize in front of the congregation for putting Eileen on blast as well as ruining her life
Sad how you want to pick sides
I loved JMacs teaching and appreciate what he’s done BUT wrong is wrong
Stop, J Mac did not wreck the home of Eilleen Gray. Stop lying.
@@doctrinalwatchdogactive6454J Mac didn't wreck Gray's life, he only enabled it and his groupies have covered for him ever since.
What are you talking about?
I am more and more convinced that this is only the beginning. He will lead several (Master's seminary? Ligonier? G3?) in his fall. Particularly because one of the former members of TBC would be MacArthur's son-in-law.... so John has as a son-in-law someone who knew....
Calvinist pride goeth before a fall, and reformed haughtiness before destruction.
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There are plenty of pastors who have fallen to this sin, and they weren't Calvinists...stop tying the two together.
A crowd of Arminians adulterating but you only see Calvinists. Here in Brazil it is a hotbed of charismatic pastors, Arminians, Pentecostals committing adultery. A rain of scandals!
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Look in the mirror and stop living in denial. Lawson has been a condescending and judgmental Calvinist for many decades with rank and file followers like yourself lauding him for being such a great Bible expositor. The fact that none of the so called “great men of God in the Reformed tradition” that sat with him at conferences and were associated with him in various ministries had enough discernment to see what was going on, nor enough courage to question his lack of accountability within the body of Christ, should give you pause. Also, the idea that none of his failures could possibly be tied to his Calvinistic pride is ridiculous.
@@st.christopher1155 Everyone can have pride and judgmentalism, not just Calvinists.
The whole point of combating Calvinism is to show it's free will choices, not locked in by association. There are Calvinists who choose not to compromise.
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“Everyone can have pride and judgmentalism, not just Calvinists” is an overstatement of the obvious. What I have yet to hear from a devout Calvinist “layperson” is that Steve Lawson was an arrogant Calvinist and that his pride caused his fall. Its like they spent so many years lauding him for being such a “great Bible expositor”, that they refuse to accept that they were wrong about him all along and they turned a blind eye to his condescending attitude. This character flaw was very transparent to me, and I was nauseated by him the first time I ever heard him.
I think this is gone a bit too far. From what ive heard he has NOT been in any sexual sin with this woman. He might have been with her in some romantic fashion but I am beginning to doubt that too. His sin was that he was with her in some way that might have been unethical to his marriage. Yes he should ask for forgiveness publicly and be done with it.
Yeah, I'm sure they were just playing checkers and monopoly when they would fly into the city to hook up with each other, nothing sexual at all....right! smh. Dude, seriously, get a clue!
@@doctrinalwatchdogactive6454 You have no proof of that. Neither does Morrill. They're playing both sides right now and you're fueling the fire with these currently baseless claims.
@@moderndayzorro7072 we never made a claim