Dude had no business flying from this audio. It sounds like he couldn't even SEE the airport...and also didn't know what he was doing. Someone in the comments is blaming ATC - um, they closed the damn airport and tried to get you to FLY to it - the hell else are they supposed to do?
If he’d kept the wings straight and level he’d have made it to the airport, straight in approach. He travelled further to crash, than if he’d kept himself level and headed straight to JFK.
He flew into this area knowing the weather was at or below mins. He was supposedly IFR rated, but it sure didn't look like he was flying the ILS approach or at all competent to be flying IFR. He was very nervous and shaken, understandably so with low fuel and 1/8 mile visibility. Once you let the nerves get the best of you, you get way behind the airplane. If you can't get the ILS in or picked up, tell ATC what is going on, they will help you. Maybe it was edited out, or I missed it, but he didn't ask nor did ATC offer up the field Alt setting, which is pretty important in this situation. I wish people would start following the rules more and make better decisions. My insurance rates keep going up because someone out of currency and holding a big old bag of "get-there-itis" decides they can get under the mins.
I understand why I hear the panic in his voice. His decision making was poor. He’s shooting an instrument approach to RVR mins. He instrument proficiency is weak. He’s out of gas and he’s out of ideas. At least he didn’t lose control of the plane. Let’s hope he gives up flying after this.
dude had no business flying night IFR to mins. -- our choices as PIC have real consequences. -- when you are proficient, this sort of approach is a straight forward affair.
Shooting the approach involves the use of instruments such as HSI, VOR or GPS to guide a pilot to a runway during an IFR flight. (Instrument Flight Rules) However, instrument approaches have published weather minimums involving the minimum altitude and visibility at which the runway should become visible. If the runway does not become visible at or before those minimums, the pilot must go around or divert to an airport with better conditions. Unfortunately, for whatever reasons, this pilot was not proficient with ILS (Instrument Landing System) approaches and had trouble maintaining course due to disorientation. 🙂
It’s non-standard phraseology which is perfectly acceptable as vernacular between pilots on the ground, but not on the radio, where many American pilots use because they think it sounds cool. It means you’re flying an instrument approach to land.
@ Thanks for sharing your knowledge! Does this only apply to non-commercial aviation? I ask because larger commercial aircraft land in poor conditions. Is it because they have autoland systems? But then again, don't some higher-end, non-commercial aircraft have autoland? Thanks again for your patience.
@ Help me to understand what happened. If the pilot in the video was flying IFR, and trusting his instruments, how did he end up off course so many times?
This plane have autopilot? Just wondering because for all his horrendous decision making he actually flew around in near zero IFR visibility at night and flew it all the way down where everyone lived so he's gotta get some props there.
This guy certainly lost his Cert pending a 709 ride. Planning to land FRG with an 1/8th mile of visibility in low IFR. Bad. Can't shoot an ILS approach into JFK? Heck the mins for 22L ILS at 212ft. Just the decision to take passengers into low IFR with insufficient/illegally fuel reserves is enough.
Not sure if they have ASR approaches into Kennedy but it feels like after the realized this guy is WAY over his head they could have put on the kid gloves and vectored him in. Instead they kept giving him information that didn't help his situation. To be clear its the pilots fault but ATC had the chance to be real heros on this one giving him the right info at the right time.
@@scottbeyer101 pilot never did though. Just think of all the things that could have been done differently. Start by declaring an emergency, you will get priority attention (2-3 extra hours of routing from his original flight plan)
The pilot and passenger had Korean names. In Asian cultures, saving face is important. He promised his friends he could land even in bad weather but when he was unable to land in the fog he became embarassed and kept trying the same thing instead of admitting what his situation was. If he had asked ATC what his diversion options were after the first go-around at FRG, he probably would have had the fuel to fly somewhere with better visibility.
At night/early morning the fog was probably widespread. Nowhere to go. His fate was to a large extent sealed when he took off. Bad decisions leading to crashes are often made on the ground. The fact that he apparently never tracked the localizer successfully and was well left of course when he impacted is a red flag. About the only good thing to say is that he was somewhat under control when he crashed and didn't pull up into a stall/spin.
When A Pilot is in need of HELP. THE CONTROLER SHOULD STOP AND HELP THE PILOT GET DOWN . NO"T CHANG FREQUENCIES STAY WITH THE PILOT UNTIL HE LANDS HIS PLANE !!! SORRY BUT THE CONTROLLER LET THIS PILOT DOWN . I Hope you are Happy with your self?? Thats ok its NO"T Your ass up there!!!😡🤦♀
Not sure if u ever flown into JFK. There are several sectors and each controller have clearly defined responsibilities. When a pilot is so poorly prepared for a flight both in knowledge and skill, only himself is to blame.
Dude had no business flying from this audio. It sounds like he couldn't even SEE the airport...and also didn't know what he was doing. Someone in the comments is blaming ATC - um, they closed the damn airport and tried to get you to FLY to it - the hell else are they supposed to do?
If he’d kept the wings straight and level he’d have made it to the airport, straight in approach. He travelled further to crash, than if he’d kept himself level and headed straight to JFK.
He flew into this area knowing the weather was at or below mins. He was supposedly IFR rated, but it sure didn't look like he was flying the ILS approach or at all competent to be flying IFR. He was very nervous and shaken, understandably so with low fuel and 1/8 mile visibility. Once you let the nerves get the best of you, you get way behind the airplane. If you can't get the ILS in or picked up, tell ATC what is going on, they will help you. Maybe it was edited out, or I missed it, but he didn't ask nor did ATC offer up the field Alt setting, which is pretty important in this situation. I wish people would start following the rules more and make better decisions. My insurance rates keep going up because someone out of currency and holding a big old bag of "get-there-itis" decides they can get under the mins.
The date of incident is not included in the video or description. This happened Saturday 13 April 2019
Thanks! Corrected
I understand why I hear the panic in his voice.
His decision making was poor. He’s shooting an instrument approach to RVR mins. He instrument proficiency is weak. He’s out of gas and he’s out of ideas. At least he didn’t lose control of the plane. Let’s hope he gives up flying after this.
He was never on the ILS
dude had no business flying night IFR to mins. -- our choices as PIC have real consequences. -- when you are proficient, this sort of approach is a straight forward affair.
Larger font would help.
It’s hard to read.
Well noted
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Thankyou!
Read it as lager pint would help. Something wrong with my eyes lol
@@devinthierault think you're just thirsty brother, lol
Can someone explain what "Shooting an approach" is in simple terms? I couldn't find a reasonable explanation doing a web search.
That’s just another term for conducting the approach.
Shooting the approach involves the use of instruments such as HSI, VOR or GPS to guide a pilot to a runway during an IFR flight. (Instrument Flight Rules) However, instrument approaches have published weather minimums involving the minimum altitude and visibility at which the runway should become visible. If the runway does not become visible at or before those minimums, the pilot must go around or divert to an airport with better conditions. Unfortunately, for whatever reasons, this pilot was not proficient with ILS (Instrument Landing System) approaches and had trouble maintaining course due to disorientation. 🙂
It’s non-standard phraseology which is perfectly acceptable as vernacular between pilots on the ground, but not on the radio, where many American pilots use because they think it sounds cool. It means you’re flying an instrument approach to land.
@ Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Does this only apply to non-commercial aviation? I ask because larger commercial aircraft land in poor conditions. Is it because they have autoland systems? But then again, don't some higher-end, non-commercial aircraft have autoland? Thanks again for your patience.
@ Help me to understand what happened. If the pilot in the video was flying IFR, and trusting his instruments, how did he end up off course so many times?
This plane have autopilot? Just wondering because for all his horrendous decision making he actually flew around in near zero IFR visibility at night and flew it all the way down where everyone lived so he's gotta get some props there.
What is it with these people?, They don’t know how to fly instruments., yet they want to go fly in the worst weather they can find.
This guy certainly lost his Cert pending a 709 ride. Planning to land FRG with an 1/8th mile of visibility in low IFR. Bad. Can't shoot an ILS approach into JFK? Heck the mins for 22L ILS at 212ft.
Just the decision to take passengers into low IFR with insufficient/illegally fuel reserves is enough.
At night too.
Not sure if they have ASR approaches into Kennedy but it feels like after the realized this guy is WAY over his head they could have put on the kid gloves and vectored him in. Instead they kept giving him information that didn't help his situation. To be clear its the pilots fault but ATC had the chance to be real heros on this one giving him the right info at the right time.
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declare............an.............emergency
Exactly
JFK had declared on his behalf. JFK does not shut down all runways unless there is an emergency.
@@scottbeyer101 pilot never did though. Just think of all the things that could have been done differently. Start by declaring an emergency, you will get priority attention (2-3 extra hours of routing from his original flight plan)
@@cpyzero difference between the pilot declaring or atc declaring. It does make the pilot look even more incompetent.
He didn’t need to declare an emergency. After 6 approaches, atc knows….
Gives aviation a bad image
06 attempts? Are you kidding!! Why didn’t he try for different airport?😮
Yeah. And he didn’t declare an emergency!!
The pilot and passenger had Korean names. In Asian cultures, saving face is important. He promised his friends he could land even in bad weather but when he was unable to land in the fog he became embarassed and kept trying the same thing instead of admitting what his situation was. If he had asked ATC what his diversion options were after the first go-around at FRG, he probably would have had the fuel to fly somewhere with better visibility.
At night/early morning the fog was probably widespread. Nowhere to go. His fate was to a large extent sealed when he took off. Bad decisions leading to crashes are often made on the ground. The fact that he apparently never tracked the localizer successfully and was well left of course when he impacted is a red flag. About the only good thing to say is that he was somewhat under control when he crashed and didn't pull up into a stall/spin.
Terrifyingly bad.
Guy missed the entire international airport , how many times ? @ 85 knots - Excellent .
Oxygen !
When A Pilot is in need of HELP. THE CONTROLER SHOULD STOP AND HELP THE PILOT GET DOWN . NO"T CHANG FREQUENCIES STAY WITH THE PILOT UNTIL HE LANDS HIS PLANE !!! SORRY BUT THE CONTROLLER LET THIS PILOT DOWN . I Hope you are Happy with your self?? Thats ok its NO"T Your ass up there!!!😡🤦♀
Not sure if u ever flown into JFK. There are several sectors and each controller have clearly defined responsibilities. When a pilot is so poorly prepared for a flight both in knowledge and skill, only himself is to blame.
Simmer down Sylvia, your indignation is making you look ridiculous.