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@@InaktiverUser whatever gets you to act 6 with a tree that’s within a few points of the one in the guide

That'd be a perfect balance, you should only have 35% decreased yellow

You're gonna have to be more specific

@@ChronicPainless ops sorry, the atlas planner you linked is different from what you are showing on the video.

@@heliopkad Yes, but in what way? I meant for them to be the same and don't see the difference myself

@@ChronicPainless seems right now...the vivid drought node was not checked for me.

I will die on this hill: POE is the "spiritual successor" to Diablo II, and in that game Baal is definitely "Bale."

@@MNtoCali would I? Yes. Will I? TBD

The super-high-end would be based around the Tormented Spirits enchant or the Infinite Vaal enchant. Not a great league for a spellbow

@@SebasEze still pondering, part of me just wants to keep playing the regular league until I hit my +4 triple positive mod amulet

For sure you want to grab all the altars, and harvest is guaranteed by the Imbued Harvest map device option.

How much lifeforce are you getting on average? Usually the price of the scarabs is tied pretty directly to the price of lifeforce so that you're making at least a div/map profit in just lifeforce

@@ChronicPainless its about 3-7k per map

@@marc-andreblais5818 Something is off then, or you're just on a very unlucky streak. Even without the risk scarabs you should be comfortably over 10k

That's what imbued harvest from the horned scarab of awakening does

@@ChronicPainless Ah! I've never actually used the imbued options so I didn't realize it had bonus effects for league mechanics. Thank you!

The... economy... *squints at wine glass*

For the risks you can use monstrous lineage and influences hordes, third doesn't matter. You should average over 10k/map but most maps will have slightly less since the top end is well over 30K and you can't go lower than 0 (which is very rare). Shrines just make the map faster and drop lots of gold

Whatever the situation, as long as you're only putting crafted mods and mods that you want in the pool, you're doing it right. Favoring prefixes/suffixes when there's an imbalance is gonna come down to mod rarity. Put more mods in the pool on the rare side.

Losing something sooner before it gets upgrades doesn't give you any benefit, other than maybe feeling slightly less bad about it. Whether you drop your ice cream cone before you add the sprinkles or after you add the sprinkles, you still lost out on the chance for an ice cream cone with sprinkles. Avoiding losing something until you know if it was worth risking or not is a benefit though, since you can make a more informed choice. Maybe if you make yourself a nice enough ice cream cone, it's not worth risking the sprinkles.

@@ChronicPainless Very good explanation, but once a crop wilt won't future upgrades be redirected to the other yellow crops? Also, what do you think of adding deli layers? I'm currently doing T17s with 20% and I think I'm getting better results. Could be all placebo tho.

@@eyestabber5488 No, there's no splitting or sharing of upgrades, each individual seed rolls its own upgrade proc whenever a crop of a different color is harvested. Deli definitely doesn't add to lifeforce, most obvious way to see for yourself is just do a totally unjuiced map with 100% deli and then without deli, and the lifeforce piles will all be the same size range

@@ChronicPainless Nice, so deli is out, trying to "guide" upgrades is also out. Rolling for 70+% pack size in T17 is worth it tho? EDIT: sorry for so many question, but the scarab is at 2.5 div rn and I'm trying to squeeze out the most of my remaining scarabs.

@@eyestabber5488 Probably, I dunno what prices are like anymore though

No the scarab doesn't affect that. It's 3-4 plots naturally, and then a 50% chance of an extra plot from the tree.

If you do it right, it's worth it.

if you only care about T4s you'd want to reduce just one color all the way and hope for singles of it

@@ChronicPainless holy thank you for really fast answer, gonna try that

The color order always comes first, deleting doubles and deferring decisions is secondary. You almost never want to alternate colors at any point, but sometimes you'll get a grove with 1 Yellow, 7 Blue, and 2 Purple, with the Yellow next to a Blue and a Double Purple, and in that case it's ok to take a bunch of Blues, then stop off at the Double Purple before you decide on risking the Yellow or not, even if it means taking a Purple before all the Blue is gone. These situations are rare and doing it that way as opposed to strict color order is only marginally better. So, I tried to keep the rules of thumb simple and digestible, but there are of course going to be scenarios where breaking them is a marginal improvement of EV.

The math/harvesting order is totally different since you basically have to ignore the possibility of proccing the 10% no-wilt.

I'm not sure what you're asking. AFAIK nothing has changed that's relevant to this since league launch.

Best way to make it tanky would be to add suppression and/or evasion. Headhunter is so cheap this league that it seems like the only real alternative. Other than that you're looking at a random ass stygian

Thanks! ​@@ChronicPainless

The... economy...

Now that lifeforce has gotten so valuable they definitely are more worth the extra time. When I posted the video it was still over 6K/div for yellow juice, so for me the bigger margin from the T17 wasn't justifying the extra time it took to run the maps even with the fragments paying for the map itself. But now another 2-3K lifeforce per map is over a Div/map extra, so I've made the switch.

@@ChronicPainless Yeah obviously I'm assumming you can clear the T17, at similar speeds to T16, if it takes you 20 minutes a map or if you regularly fail maps I would recommend staying in T16s.

@@Kure_Games I mean... it's not physically possible to clear a T17 as fast as a Jungle Valley, just based on the amount of ground you have to cover to spawn eldritch mobs and the bosses doing their showboating immunity phases. I was doing JVs in 4-5 mins depending on Wilts/No-Wilts and with T17s taking 6-7 minutes, the margins weren't worth it until yellow got to around 3.5K/div

@@ChronicPainlessthis is not the correct analysis, what matters is whether the percent increase in time it takes to run a tier 17 compared to a tier 16 is less than or equal to the increase in quantity of juice from a tier 17. If you do a tier 17 35% slower than Tier 16 but get 40% more juice then it is worth it. How much the conversion is between juice to divines is irrelevant in determine relative profit, because we are using the same metric, the juice itself. For me personally because I roll maps for 70+ pack size and 130+ quant, and often get better than 70 packsize, Tier 17s at an average of 6 min a run were clearly more profitable than what is possible in tier 16s. This won’t be the case for everyone but it is for me considering my time to clear and how much juice I get per map on average.

@@Kure_Games No, the juice per divine absolutely matters to which one is worth running. It's not about how much more juice you're getting, its about how much more juice over the marginal cost that you're getting. If I'm making 1D/map on T16s, by farming 3D worth of juice on 2D of scarabs, and I can do 10 maps/hr., then I'm making 10D/hr. That's the same as farming T17s for 4D of juice on 2D of scarabs but only farming 5 maps/hr. So even though it's twice as slow, and I'm only getting 33% more juice, my marginal juice doubled, so it works out to be the same profitability. You've gotta look at the profit margin, not the gross income. So if in that example, the margins got squeezed up so that now it takes 5D of scarabs to get 6D of lifeforce on a T16, you'd still be making 10D/hr. But on the T17, you're now getting 8D of lifeforce for 5D of scarabs, making 3D/map and so 15D/hr. You're still only making 33% more juice, but the "marginal juice" has tripled compared to the T16. The numbers are fudged here for easy math but this is essentially exactly what happened this league.

You can, but the math looks totally different and you basically ignore the possibility of no-wilts. The price is correlated with lifeforce and I've still been making bank.

@@ChronicPainless You probably wont do a vid on this but would you try giving a rough calc on how to alter which crop to pick in which order in such scenario?

@@happzy You basically still wanna do non-yellow first and then the yellow, hoping to get at least 2 or ideally 3-4 upgrades on whatever yellow there is. You essentially ignore the odds of a No-Wilt, as it will basically never tip a marginal decision one way or the other.

@@gugi233 Sir you can’t possibly be suggesting that your 8 map sample is large enough to draw a conclusion about the average profits

@@ChronicPainless It's more quantifiable proof that the "calculations" you talked about in length during the video, but yet didn't show a single set of data. We're forced to take everything you said with a (HEFTY) grain of salt because you "ran millions of calculations" and didn't show a shred of proof to back up your claims. If this was actual applied mathematics that had to be peer reviewed, you'd be laughed out of the lab/office because "I saw the data, just trust me guys" isn't good enough.

@@MrSirMan26 I've posted the source code on my discord, and many views of the data as well, sorry that I tried to make a digestible video out of an extremely complex topic and didn't make my video into 5-hour long spreadsheet showcase.

Because of the Int requirement. I get way more value from the tattoos I can apply than from a tiny bit of increased spell damage.

@@ChronicPainless That's proper. Thank you.

It's actually a series of spreadsheets for all of the different economic conditions and other variables (like T3 v T4 value, different wilt rates, etc.) that I investigated. But they all basically look the same with 65-55-55 at the top.

Yeah probably worthwhile, and also that would explain why I always get deli mirrors even though it's 92%

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@@ChronicPainless Thank you!

Yeah you can use this tech for anything, as long as you fill your mod pool with only mods you want and crafted mods

Damn, that's unfortunate. How much yellow juice were you pulling per map on average?

@@ChronicPainless Yeah pretty unfortunate! Probably just really really unlucky on my part. I did crop rotation a lot last league and also some this league so I am not new to this but improved some decisions and also which crop-rotation atlas notes to take (less chance of blue/yellow/purple) based on your video. I can't remember the exact number of total yellow but the average was around 5000 +/- 500. I got one map with zero yellow. Biggest explosion was about 9k. I was getting whilts left and right so often I was not able to upgrade as often as I would like. I even checked halfway through if I wasn't 100% using the imbued harvest because I was getting so unlucky haha. I guess if I had continued 20 more I would have come out in profit but yeah it's a big investment for someone who doesn't play many hours a day with prices of Awakening scarab being so high.

@@larpera960 Yeah there can be brutal wilting streaks, 3-plot harvest sprees, and even no-yellows when yellow should be the plurality. On my worst set of 20 I averaged like 7K, on my best over 17k

Pretty much yeah, awakening may have gone up but so has yellow juice.

Not that big of a deal as long as the boss is dying before too many altar procs are burned

@@ChronicPainless Awesome, I was hoping that was the case. Just did a small 20 map sample. With current prices I averaged about 1 div per map in profit and had a ton of fun, I love crop rotation. Took me 2.5 hours so not insane div/hour but I am probably just slow haha. Thanks for all the work you put in!

Yeah I just did 40 maps and still easily made 1Div+ per map even with high scarab price

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