Small Update: POB doesn't seem to agree with my reading that the "on you" language of Purposeful Harbinger makes it work for Flesh and Stone's Sand Stance. Thankfully Purposeful Harbinger is still BiS for cluster notables even without that bonus.
Huge thanks for all the work you put into these guides. Makes playing PoE a lot better for players like myself who just like to follow guides. Wish you all the best!
Awesome god tier intro! Nice to see you back! Also I still believe in the brand setup, however I never put mark into it, since yes it consumes too much mana. I do use a brand setup and manual cast mark, later on u don't really need to cast mark on many things either way. I enjoy the consistency of bonechill via mark especially for content like harvest. I also like to throw a curse in there and not run Mark of submission for more ease on stats, it comes at the cost of higher socket pressure though.
Hey biggest buff we get i think is the change for boss action speed reduction cap nerf(nerf for boss, buff for player i mean). The bosses that cannot be frozen in place could be slowed up to maximum 30 percent if you were to "freeze" them. Now these bosses can be slowed by up to %50 percent max slow if you were to freeze them. I am speaking of freezing bosses because it is %100 less action speed. But other ways it could be chill+temporal chains+etc.
Probably coming this weekend, lots to discuss. I've just been in major catch-up mode to make up for missing that first weekend so haven't had extra time for content creating.
@@muukajoke.8536 Freeze duration is sneakily good on jewels, otherwise life/stats/resist and then all damage is more or less the same except for crit multiplier which is the best but the most expensive.
Do you think poison BV could be S tier on occultist only because of perfect agony keystone change? IMO Poison BV always have great boss damage but suffers from meh mapping and dogshit survivability. Now you can still stack power charges(11 is super easy with ralakesh), and all that crit multi is your DOT multi now. If you are using obliteration explode they dont deal 30 less hit damage now. You could even leech a little on bv hits. These are the first things come to my mind. Would love to hear you thoughts on poison BV vs cold BV!
Sounds pretty good, the main thing I don't love about poison BV is that for while as you gear up it feels like a plague-bearer build where BV is just a vehicle to enable the plague. The new Flesh and Stone could help with survivability, but hard to say.
The biggest problem with poison BV is the fact that you need to scale a dickload of skill effect duration to even make BV playable. When you add all the skill effect duration with poison duration you get these stupid long poisons that last like 10 seconds and that is basically lowering your burst DPS. You really need to focus on "damaging ailments deal damage faster" to make it feel good in maps. Also, the last time it was really good we had those charms for 100% poison duration which basically doubled the builds DPS.
You only get herald of ice explosions early on as an Elementalist. You can always use an explode-chest though on any version of the build if you can afford it.
@@ChronicPainless I got you, actually I was thinking to start with frost blades slayer or lightning strike deadeye but I am not sure about blade vortex right now. What do you suggest for starting?
@@berkaycirak Depends on your progression goals. If you wanna be up there with the meta builds in that first week or so, then BV isn't gonna be the way. It bears no grudges though, and you can always swap later.
It really doesn't matter all that much what you choose, the bonuses are all so tiny compared to what they were before. I went with the skill point because skill points can be moved around if needed
Isnt this going to be quite a bit weaker with the hatred nerfs? Cold BV got like 80% of its damage from hatred + tons of aura effect. I know phys as extra is still decent but it's nowhere near as good as old hatred
Believe it not, it didn't get 80% of its damage from an "18% more" multiplier. Depending on where you're at in the build and what the rest of your gear looks like, it's a loss of around 5% overall, 10% in the worst case scenario of already having tons of phys-as-extra cold from other sources. But yes, this is one of the "death by a thousand cuts" that has led to me downgrading it to B-Tier.
@@ChronicPainless if you uncheck hatred on a 3.24 cold BV PoB you do lose around 60% of your damage. I never implied that this nerf is a 80% damage loss. I said the thing that gave this build 80% of it's damage has been nerfed which it absolutely has.
Small Update:
POB doesn't seem to agree with my reading that the "on you" language of Purposeful Harbinger makes it work for Flesh and Stone's Sand Stance. Thankfully Purposeful Harbinger is still BiS for cluster notables even without that bonus.
I was sad that you didnt post for necropolis since i used your starter 2-3 league starts but happy to see you post now. Welcome back!
""No doubt about it, I am ready to get hurt again."
-Michael Scott" -Chronic_Painless
Huge thanks for all the work you put into these guides. Makes playing PoE a lot better for players like myself who just like to follow guides. Wish you all the best!
Welcome back!
He's back! don't care if it's a B tier starter i'm still gonna play BV lol
Awesome god tier intro! Nice to see you back! Also I still believe in the brand setup, however I never put mark into it, since yes it consumes too much mana. I do use a brand setup and manual cast mark, later on u don't really need to cast mark on many things either way. I enjoy the consistency of bonechill via mark especially for content like harvest. I also like to throw a curse in there and not run Mark of submission for more ease on stats, it comes at the cost of higher socket pressure though.
Finally chronicle is back !
Yae, it is as the prophecy foretold
Please do a day 1- whatever updates and crafting guide for the items
yayyy!! welcome back xD
Hey biggest buff we get i think is the change for boss action speed reduction cap nerf(nerf for boss, buff for player i mean). The bosses that cannot be frozen in place could be slowed up to maximum 30 percent if you were to "freeze" them. Now these bosses can be slowed by up to %50 percent max slow if you were to freeze them.
I am speaking of freezing bosses because it is %100 less action speed. But other ways it could be chill+temporal chains+etc.
Also from subjective and over exaggerated point of view :
FREEZES ON BOSSES ARE %60 MORE EFFECTIVE NOW WOOO!
For sure a buff to bossing, I'm looking forward to watching the slowest "Die" beams in Sirus history
Welcome back, but mate dont get me baited. This season i gotta resist the need to play BV 😅
You certainly don't have to league-start it. BV bears no grudges and will be there whenever you're ready to re-embrace it.
We are back!
But BV is ded! 😮💨
glad to see this post 😊
legendary intro
Thank you, seeing how well it turned out definitely motivated me to finish the rest of the video
Hey, can we get an update on this? I love the content.
Probably coming this weekend, lots to discuss. I've just been in major catch-up mode to make up for missing that first weekend so haven't had extra time for content creating.
Can you make an updated pob closer to the current version of VB that you are playing? Maybe on a few hundred div budget :3 Love your vids!
behold, a light
Looking to go for this build in the league rerun :D, any suggestions that you would change for the rerun league or is it good as it is?
The super-high-end would be based around the Tormented Spirits enchant or the Infinite Vaal enchant. Not a great league for a spellbow
HEEEEEEEEEE'SSSSSSSS BAAAAAAAAAAAACKKKK
I want to know the name of the effect when you kill, it looks so awesome.
Transcendence Herald of Ice and Transcendence Herald of Ash
@@ChronicPainless In pob I saw viridian jewel what should I look for first ?
@@muukajoke.8536 Freeze duration is sneakily good on jewels, otherwise life/stats/resist and then all damage is more or less the same except for crit multiplier which is the best but the most expensive.
@@ChronicPainless If I were to switch to OCCULTIST, but I don't have Militant Faith Timeless Jewel, would that be possible?
@@muukajoke.8536 Well, the lab will let you respec, but I wouldn't recommend it. The MF is a massive part of what makes the Occ shine
I am so curious to do this with Chieftain. with rf as a modifier any tips on making it possible?
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Do you think poison BV could be S tier on occultist only because of perfect agony keystone change?
IMO Poison BV always have great boss damage but suffers from meh mapping and dogshit survivability. Now you can still stack power charges(11 is super easy with ralakesh), and all that crit multi is your DOT multi now. If you are using obliteration explode they dont deal 30 less hit damage now. You could even leech a little on bv hits. These are the first things come to my mind.
Would love to hear you thoughts on poison BV vs cold BV!
Sounds pretty good, the main thing I don't love about poison BV is that for while as you gear up it feels like a plague-bearer build where BV is just a vehicle to enable the plague. The new Flesh and Stone could help with survivability, but hard to say.
The biggest problem with poison BV is the fact that you need to scale a dickload of skill effect duration to even make BV playable. When you add all the skill effect duration with poison duration you get these stupid long poisons that last like 10 seconds and that is basically lowering your burst DPS. You really need to focus on "damaging ailments deal damage faster" to make it feel good in maps. Also, the last time it was really good we had those charms for 100% poison duration which basically doubled the builds DPS.
So fire BV is what you’re saying?
Chiftain fire bv is a possibility
@@dragonjim93 yea I think so as well. I did a multi-mirror assassin fire BV in affliction probably my favorite build of all time.
So we start with elemantalist for cold BV Right?
That's what I'll be doing
one question in the elementalist build from where comes the explosion, in occu u have profane bloom,
You only get herald of ice explosions early on as an Elementalist. You can always use an explode-chest though on any version of the build if you can afford it.
what starter do i need to pick to play blade vortex?
@@InaktiverUser whatever gets you to act 6 with a tree that’s within a few points of the one in the guide
should we play with occultist instead of elementalist ?
Eventually you’ll swap, but starting with the golems until you get some currency is quite comfy compared to pure occy
@@ChronicPainless I got you, actually I was thinking to start with frost blades slayer or lightning strike deadeye but I am not sure about blade vortex right now. What do you suggest for starting?
@@berkaycirak Depends on your progression goals. If you wanna be up there with the meta builds in that first week or so, then BV isn't gonna be the way. It bears no grudges though, and you can always swap later.
what is the best choice in Deal with the Bandits for this build ??
It really doesn't matter all that much what you choose, the bonuses are all so tiny compared to what they were before. I went with the skill point because skill points can be moved around if needed
Ok, ty
Is poison bv any good?
Not sure what state it’s in TBH, but if pathfinder is still a good option it could be the gateway to eventual cold warden
Isnt this going to be quite a bit weaker with the hatred nerfs? Cold BV got like 80% of its damage from hatred + tons of aura effect. I know phys as extra is still decent but it's nowhere near as good as old hatred
Believe it not, it didn't get 80% of its damage from an "18% more" multiplier. Depending on where you're at in the build and what the rest of your gear looks like, it's a loss of around 5% overall, 10% in the worst case scenario of already having tons of phys-as-extra cold from other sources. But yes, this is one of the "death by a thousand cuts" that has led to me downgrading it to B-Tier.
@@ChronicPainless if you uncheck hatred on a 3.24 cold BV PoB you do lose around 60% of your damage. I never implied that this nerf is a 80% damage loss. I said the thing that gave this build 80% of it's damage has been nerfed which it absolutely has.
what pantheon?