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Thank you so much for the wonderful feedback!! ❤🙌 The Air vs Coil is an 8 episode series that we are very proud of. Thanks and see you on the trail!!

Thanks for joining the conversation. Please explain your question further, I’m not sure what you’re asking us. Thanks

@MilitaryMobility You were looking for a higher lift on your sprung LC3, have you considered spring spacers?

Hi and thanks. Yes we have considered spacers, however the only available spacers we’ve seen on the market are the ones from Lucky 8. We bought them and have them in our shop but they would result in too much of a CV angle, leading to premature wear or breaking on the trail. Ideal for ground clearance and CV health would be about an inch more of height, not another 2+ that would be the case with those spacers. We’re also looking for bigger struts that have 3” of height instead of the OME ones that provide around 2”. Not a lot of information out there on other coil lift options though. The search continues…

Thanks Harry!! That’s great news, what spacers do you have? I have only seen the Lucky8’s spacers which result in much higher than 2” of lift and will tax the CV’s. Then there was the old forum production from Toddco (some guy named Todd) but no one had heard from him in years.

Thanks buddy. It’s a conservative 32.5” Goodyear Duratrec tire on 18” steel rims. It’s been a very successful combo for us for years. We run this on 3 of our LR3’s in our fleet 👍

We cover that in the series 👍

@@MilitaryMobility what episode?

@@MilitaryMobility i only heard after market coil conversation. Didnt cath the brand

Hi Steve and thanks for the interest. We use our truck for lots of different uses so we do take the truck camper off a lot or when we’re not using it often. That being said it does stay on for weeks or a month at a time here and there.

Does the self leveling system in a pickup enough to level the camper? if so can you sleep in it while on the bed of your truck? Sorry but I have so many questions,

@@steverivera7270No worries, happy to help. Yes the lift bags we have are very strong and because we have set up independent lines to each side, can use it to level the camper while out in the field. We rarely remove the camper from the truck while we are camping. It only takes a few minutes but it's all the same to us and we just keep the truck and camper together.

Then my mind is made up, 3500hd flatbed with the Host Mammoth, all you need in life, a good woman and God on your side. Oh and my dream truck camper combo helps make the trip easier.

Haha, love it! Think you will too. We’ve had the Mammoth for 4 years now and it’s served us well. The layout continues to be perfect and we are dialed in on how we store things and run our camps out of it. We’ve also added a 900 amp hour lithium solar system which makes it excel long term off grid and still have the 2500 onan in there as well. 🙌🇺🇸

Absolutely, your discussion reveals that in the end there is no clear “winner” or better system. It’s all what your specific application is and what your looking for as far as maintenance and risk.

Thank you, this is why we make these videos for folks like you 🙌🇺🇸

Thanks for sharing your experience! I believe when discussions of vehicle reliability arise, 9 times out of 10 for the Rovers it’s about the air system; which is incredibly capable but does require more maintenance, and with it the risk of being stranded.

@@MilitaryMobility with the LR4, they now added the timing chain dilema… thinking of getting an LR4 but that timing change fix is not easy on the wallet. Would be nice to see a video on the LR4 from your channel.

LR3’s are when Ford owned Land Rover, and LR4 are when the India Tata motors took ownership. The 4.4 V8 in the LR3 is a Jaguar engine that’s been around forever and is very reliable. The switch to the 5.0 V8 and turbo 6 did create some engine issues. There’s a lot more things to look out for on LR4’s and they can be great vehicles if they’ve been cared for properly. Here’s a decent thread on selecting a LR4… until we can get our hands on one. landroverforums.com/forum/lr4-38/best-year-lr4-features-look-111637/page2/

We've have over 500,000 miles on our 3x LR3's, have a Disco2 with 175k and a Defender 300tdi with 140k and they have not been without maintenance like any other vehicle would require but have proven very reliable for us. Maybe we're lucky, or know how to maintain vehicles adequately. In either case, we hope you're having better luck with whatever you moved on to and are still getting to explore the backcountry.

Thank you for the compliment and sharing your experience. Yes, when we got the vehicle donated to us the air suspension was out but we've been doing well since that initial fix. I think the issue for some is , depending on your size tires, when you go into limp mode if the tires are bigger than around 31", then they will rub bad while driving. Best of luck with your rig!

Hello and thanks for the interest. Episode 1 of Air Vs. Coil

@@MilitaryMobility awesome thanks. In a situation when the bag blows what would you do?

Bags are very reliable and it’s usually, 1) electronics 2) valves, that cause a failure. Oddly enough the cheap looking plastic lines have proven to be very strong. We bring an extra (old) front/ rear air shock on our long expeditions but not for most wheeling. If your bags are newer and good condition they should be very strong. We put 200k miles before one of ours developed the slowest leak. Past that if there is still concern, might be a good candidate for coils 👍

Best of luck with it! See ya on the trail

@@MilitaryMobility try to replace a/c compressor currently

Our videos aren’t for you buddy

Thanks for the feedback Robert, please let us know when you want to start editing our videos.

Haha, that’s funny. Tell us why, something you saw here change your mind?

Great eye!! Thank you, we will pass along your compliment. Our media are supremely talented, doing photography/ videography/ drones/ editing!

This is the best Christmas present we could have ever received!! Making us feel like a million bucks, thank you. We really enjoy off-roading and love sharing adventure with others.

Thanks for taking the time to write in and for positive vibes!! 🙌 Best of luck with your rig, have fun out there, and Happy Holidays! 🎄🦌

Hello, thanks for the interest and for reaching out. Yes, we've been going strong for 7 years now with no end in sight. Please follow us here, on Instagram/ Facebook and send an email at info@militarymobility with ideas about engagement. Happy Holidays!

Awesome and Happy Holidays!

THANK YOU!! 🙌🇺🇸

Yes, it absolutely does, and as you noticed at times takes just a little more effort to make things happen. It's never held us back and the coil has gone everywhere the air has however the most annoying thing is simple cornering on a flat gravel road; the coil will engage the stability control where you get the grinding sensation. A simple press of a button shuts the DSC off however this is a con for sure.

Glad we could be of service! Best of luck 👍

Great to hear! Keep it going and on the trail!

Best of luck to you and the family; lots of adventures ahead! Thank you for the compliment; it's greatly appreciated! 🙌

THANK YOU!!! 🙌🇺🇸

Score!!! Best of luck and thank you for the positive vibes! 🙌

Thank you very much!! We have 2x LR3's with coils and 1x with air now. We also have the SYA sitting in a box and have been hesitant to install it on the coil LR3's as we've heard this will really tax the CV joints and cause premature failure. Are you able to ask any of the guys who have done this how it's lasting? Thank you

7A. We cover the suspension kit in a bit more detail in Episode 8. Thanks for your support and for checking us out!

Hi, we go into this in detail later in the series 👍

@@MilitaryMobility Thx!

…the normal ride height the air LR3 is set at is almost 1” higher than the coil and prevents the constant rubbing of tires when on the highway at speed or on the trail. We’ve found this to be an ideal height and wish the coils would be this height too! All that being said the coils had a bit firmer feeling but we understand your point. The overall goal of the series was to have fun and compare the two systems for those considering a swap.

Thank you very much; we’re glad that it’s being received well! 🙌🇺🇸

Hi Paul and thanks for going the conversation. I’d say 45mm (approx 1.75”) is what we gained as well. As for the shocks I was a bit confused as the OEM shock is the air shock which would not be compatible with a coil spring, unless you were referring to models that came from the factory with coils; which to date I have come across zero in the US. I think that both Atlantic British and OME have been very conservative in their height to avoid ball joint and CV failure however the stock air suspension has massive travel and compared to how you can flex the AB/OME coils. Granted, that is why LR only wants you using the extended and super extended modes periodically and self lowers at speed (also for reduced risk of rollover). All that to say I believe 3” coils could be a feasible option if they were available. See you on the trail!

@@MilitaryMobility apologies for the confusion, it is the OEM shocks that came out with the.coil.only models done by Landrover. I have one.of these, and there are a few of them here in Australia, but the air shocks are also available here.

Nice! We have a pintle hitch too however have only had the opportunity to use it a few times. We’re looking at building a supply trailer with a pintle for next season. Thank you again for your generous compliment; it makes us feel like a million bucks and is why we make these videos 🙌

@@MilitaryMobility No problem. Now subscribed. Any LR3/LR4/Discovery3/4 content is good for me. Have you watched LRTime (German couple). They are currently doing body off rebuild on the driveway! That's a great watch. Some good stuff around which oil pumps, oils etc.

We’ll be sure to check them out, thank you! Think I may have seen them do an install of their snorkel. Very through!!

Our air LR3 at normal ride height sits about 1” higher than the coil LR3 does, that is the lowest we could get it without scraping the crap out of the 32” tires in the wheel wells, which the air sprung one does quite regularly. Our air LR3 still lowers at speed if it’s in extended mode, which it never was during the sand testing.

SMART!!! 👍🙌

Thank you very much for the compliment!! We really enjoy making these videos and engaging with other Land Rover owners, and all off-roaders/ overlanders. No there are do diesel LR3 here in the states unless someone has a special import or something. Thanks again for watching and your support! Please follow us as that helps our programs for veterans in need.

Hi Peter and thanks for checking the series out. Both of these rigs are identical and have the center locking diff but not the HD package which included the rear locking diff I believe you’re referencing. We’ve recently picked up a third LR3 that does have the HD package and will be doing a comparison wit it in the near future so be sure to subscribe for updates. Thanks again!

@Military Mobility ASAP please 🙏 🙏 I'm looking to get an off roader & would love the lr3 although does make off roading a little more vehicle than driver oriented from what I've seen. Haven't got to rock video yet but I'm very interested to see how they cope with only centre diff compared to rear as well , which are like 🎠💩 here 😪😪 I believe you can get the front & rear ARB lockers for lr3 now ... I'm hoping anyway 🙏🙏

I’ll share the short answer in the meanwhile, the rear diff is great but isn’t a night/ day difference if you know how to drive offroad properly. If you have the chance I’d definitely get it but would t pass on a great deal with the center locking only. Big investments to lock front and rear with ARB’s and that type of investment may be better suited for rigs with bigger tires and articulation for more aggressive terrain. That being said your stock LR3 can do AMAZING things!

Hi and thanks for watching. Personally I would not recommend running 2” spacers or the Rhino kit on top of the HD coils for the same reasons that you’re experiencing; it taxes the angles of your CV joints too much and will cause problems. Not sure what type of issues you were having with the air to begin with but you can fix that our run the AB HD coils which are great, we have since gotten a third LR3 and put the AB coil kit on it as well. We love it. Best of luck and see you on the trail 🙌

Oh thank you very very much for the compliment; that means everything to us! Yes the point was really to explore these two variants side by side and have lots of worthwhile discussions along the way and have folks feel empowered to choose what’s best for them. We’ve since picked up another LR3 since the filming and it came to us on brand new coils so we’ll most likely keep it this way. - Mud, this would be fun to do! Moab wasn’t offering a whole lotta mud during filming but we’ll keep our eye out for late spring rains…