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Not a badge I'd wear probably, personally. However, you see something in the game I guess

Sonic Unleashed provides so many hint bubbles in the game to help you Especially with the Werehog, they swarm you all around with hint bubbles to tell you everything you need to know. There's also a combo list for you for your combat. Also, yeah... if you don't have a Series X or an emulator... Yeah, the frame rate is rough

its a shame SA2 is the way it is, its not supposed to control that poorly, SEGA just doesnt care about fixing the analog control for it in the slightest. It took fans over a decade to make a proper mod for it that fixed it.

The Dreamcast version is not significantly better than the ports, button mapping is just as much of a problem there as it is anywhere else. And the rail grinding is rarely, if ever, more demanding than just holding the crouch button. Rail switching is cumbersome in either version. All versions have inconsistent gameplay styles, and a whole bunch of automation that would alienate newcomers.

Being a shooter for Sonic Forces is certainly something, But I respect ya💀

It's the incentive part of the ranking system and such that makes you wanna keep replaying levels. Of course, if you don't really care about getting S ranks and just wanna play the game to the end, that's completely fine. You can still find games really enjoyable like that. However, at least for me, if I REALLY like a game and there's some sort of reward for being really good at it, I wanna keep replaying it til I start getting better and I start clearing stages more efficiently. That's where the fun is. Improving in things makes you feel good.

So true.

I'll do a video on the other accessibility next time💀

Next video, but you are right. A lot of Sonic games can't be played on Modern platforms

That's one way to certainly look at it, lol

You're right but geometry dash is better.

And that's the appeal of replayability and good gameplay. You'll definitely get cooked a couple of times, but once you get it, then you got it

It is funny sometimes. As kids, you sometimes just brute force your way in things, and you just pick up on a lot of stuff by just doing whatever. Trust me, I was questioning how I was able to beat Shadow the Hedgehog, but struggled so badly with the Genesis games as a kid.

I think it's because when you're a kid you're engaged because you're being introduced to so many Sonic concepts, as well as the specific game mechanics.

@LuigiMario-o7o this was definitely the case for me

@@RisingSonic17 that's very true, as a kid you don't really know what good control or game design is so you brute force & are less likely to give up. ngl i think playing sonic games (specifically boost games) fundamentally influenced my way of thinking. now i'm 20 and work as a professional musician, and nothing gives me more satisfication than nailing a difficult piece from start to finish in a linear fashion. it's the exact same feeling i get when i nail a boost level from start to finish 🤷

The top path being the fastest is a common misconception, it seems. Because it is rarely the fastest path, maybe the safest since you are further from potential bottomless pits, but rarely the fastest. And honestly, that's something a game should not explicitly teach, but allow the player to figure out on their own, makes it more rewarding and less formulaic. The same goes for "teaching players to replay the game or levels". That shouldn't be thought, but encouraged and rewarded.

Hmmmmm... I would say, at least, for the classic games, you kind of learn this stuff the hard way with the pathways. At the start, especially when you go through loops and see goodies on top of it and be like, "Oh man, how do I get there?". That's when you start gaining the interest in wanting to learn how to get to that upper path way, which sometimes tends to involve just slowing down and surveying your surroundings. Green Hill Zone and Emerald Hill Show are a good example of this. Aquatic ruins and Hydrocity also shoe a good example of this as well. So, you do get tells about what kind of goodies you can get from finding and reaching those upper paths. Which makes the replays of the stages fun, because when you do find the method. Then, you'll always be getting that top path wah for those extra rings, lives, or few seconds time saves or safety from enemies. As for the automated section, it is awkward sometimes. Sonic Adventure 1 has automated sections, but you are still in full control, and not pressing anything sometimes kills you. Or, in Adventure 2 and Heroes case, you mess with the controller during automated sections and they kill you. They've gotten a little better with that overtime, which is where the dashpads and such comes in. However, it is come with the caveats of too much automation

Autism🤝

Rarely is the top path the faster path at least in the regular classic games. Also, the classic games usually slow you down for platforming sections. It's more so that you need to have skill and knowledge if you want to maintain speed for a platforming challenge.

It's all good👍

It is very dependent. The scripts and dash pads are usually there to keep the player on the path most of the time and to give small breaks with automation. There is TOO much automation, though, to a point where it just doesn't feel engaging. Sonic 4 and Forces are definitely those games that do force it on you, but those games are so easy that you don't feel like you have to try. Unleashed felt like that just right mix with its difficulty where it was going to take a while to really get better at, but the mechanics and level design are very strong. For the 2D games in particular, it really is dependent on how well the level design compliments Sonic speed. In cases of the Advance games, the screen crunch punishes you for trying to keep your speed because you don't know what's coming up ahead. Sonic Rush, can he be egregious with its bottomless pit when trying to keep your boost going. Even if things are rather simple and straightforward, those other aspects really come into play to have everything come together.

@@RisingSonic17 Sure, but the thing is that it takes away controls and agency, alienating the player as a result. Which is probably one of the reasons that the best regarded Sonic games have comparably very little automation. Unleashed has a few issues that would alienate a player. For one, the game encourages and sometimes forces you to go fast, whether it's through dash pads, boost prompts, or water segments, while at the same time punishing you for it with various traps, bottomless pits, missed collectibles which are required to progress. So, I agree with you, level design is important for 2d and 3d. It's also quite a complex game, with two very different playstyles, hubs, shops, various missions and collectibles, level up systems. Some of the aspects are not properly conveyed, like the importance of medals.

@snakey888 that I agree. I know the medals tend to get played up, but they can be real pace Breakers. Especially on first playthroughs, you're probably gonna miss a couple of medals from the daytime stages because you're moving too fast, or you're currently struggling to keep to the fast path ways. Most of your medals collections will most likely come from the Werehog because of its exploration nature. I do agree that the less a Sonic game has automation, it's probably more enjoyed. You also brought up a point about people not knowing when something is an automated section. That I can agree with. Sometimes with Sonic Adventure 2, Heroes, and 06. Some automated sections kill you if you input anything and that can get confusing. You can also unintentionally mess up scripted sections and lose a life for it. You don't start picking it up until you start playing more and more games.

Shadow Generations, for the most part, find that good balance for just being a well designed game. It's Ranking system though, is very forgiving for being strictly based on time

It is? I first played Sonic when I was 5 years old and completed the entire thing every time (Labyrinth and Marble Zones included), it's wild to me that people consider it hard to get into. Though I agree truly mastering it is super fun.

@ like when i was a beginner kid it was hard Today its easy muscle memory

@SonicTheHedgehogX15 Compared to other platformers of that time, Sonic 1 is pretty easy.

@@snakey888 I didnt grow up back then I was born in 2008, it a miracle i didnt grow following the fortnite and other types of games trend

@SonicTheHedgehogX15 Sure, but that does not necessarily mean that you have no experience with games from that time.

The bosses in Superstars are so Dookie doo doo dog shit. If they aren't boring slogs, they're unfairly difficult for no reason. That's stuff that makes people not wanna continue playing the game

@ i know. I myself have stopped playing the game even with the chaos emeralds. Especially when I heard that the lizard character has an even harder campaign. Even Sonic 06 didn’t commit the sin of making me stop playing before I saw the credits.

@Hynotama yeah. Trip's campaign is even harder. It's not worth the 2nd playthrough honestly

The frontiers DLC was mostly pretty good and better than the Superstars bosses. I just wish they had kept the Boss Rush BS out

@xamp_exclammark Frontiers Final Horizon was a combination of whiplash and poorly implemented ideas. Considering how hard in the main game wasn’t really hard at all. Going to Final Horizon felt like a massive difficulty spike when it came to the towers and challenges. The Tower Climbs are VERY punishing on hard mode. At the very least, it doesn't mean death, but falling down and having to fall from the beginning is just as bad. Then, of course, the Master King trail is the biggest ball kicker ever

And that probably won't change in the far future

@ I think people tend to be bad at Sonic games because they play them with 1 of 2 preconceived notions. 1. They think Sonic games are just "run forward and win" so when the game presents them with something slightly complex they get stumped 2. They hear how jank and clunky Sonic games can be so they assume every mistake they make must be the game, so they make the same mistake over and over because they think it's the right solution but the game is jank so it only works sometimes instead of just adapting to the situation.

Yes 💀 I Sonic Adventure 2'd

Hanging on the edge of tomorrow?

I can actually attest to this when I was a kid. I used to not like a lot of the classic games because there was always that one level that just took away the fun speed from Sonic (I used to stop at Marble Zone in Sonic 1 and Chemical Plant in Sonic 2). Tbf, I was terrible at those games, and getting a game over meant going back to the beginning. This is why I liked 3&K the most because it had a save feature. Now, as I am older, I can appreciate some of the slower levels if the platforming itself is actually good. This is something I could say for some games, but certainly not all (Advance 3 and Superstars are my immediate examples). Sonic Unleashed as a kid, I struggled so much with the day stages that I was always looking forward to the Werehog because at the time, I couldn't handle the quick reactions from that game. Colors and Generations definitely eased me in. It always had me curious why Sonic Heroes was something I got through easily as a kid when I see adults now struggling with it so much. It's probably like you said because, as kids, we don't quite register or process that expectation of what to expect out of a speedy platformer. Going back to these games as adults where you're more understanding of how things work definitely helps with replayability, and you can see when the games do something right and where they fail in certain aspects. Sometimes, things do take time to really grow on you.

Honestly a lot of people take Sonic's nature about "speed" at such a face value that they hate being met with some obstacles that break your pace a little bit, I've been playing a lot of Sonic CD lately and while i've grown accustom to that games level design and really like it, I constantly see people complain that there's too much springs and stuff in the way or that they don't care to explore and that they prefer 3 and k's speedier level design. Platformers are gonna break your pace no matter what, it's not detriment to sonic's name for a game to begin to challenge you and I think a lot of people don't understand that. The speed isn't about just "sonic runs fast" it's you as a player improving at getting through obstacles quickly without getting your pace killed. There's a speed cap in Sonic 1 but that game isn't "solved" in terms of speedrunning etc.

​@@LLotad Yes, I get that feeling. You've gotta be cautious and look out for traps that would otherwise cut your speed. Can't just hold right to win (unless you're playing Unleashed, where you need to react rather than predict.)

@@LLotad I think they're expecting a minimum amount of speed. In classic sonic the minimum amount of speed you need to reach is too fast for you to be able to react to incoming obstacles leading to frustration. This is because sonic's sprite is too big, and the screen is too small. If sonic's sprite was smaller, then it would be less detailed, but you could go at his max base speed and still easily be able to react to things.

Hmmmm idk. I think Sonic Colors removed most of the depth due to it being more 2d focused and being riddled with the Wisps. The only time the game really starts giving you a slightly challenge is from Terminal Velocity

@ As far as the reaction-style Boost gameplay goes tho, the level design is quite accommodating. There’s lots of ways to optimise the run with good timing, but the punishment for failure is very rarely death like it was in Unleashed. The caveat is it’s a much slower game overall with way more automation and scripting. But I can totally imagine a small child mastering it’s levels with some practice while Unleashed would be a much bigger ordeal.

@Sparkys_World-0 thats one thing I can say about Colors. It's a great beginner Sonic game for people to ease into the series. Not Super punishing, easy to understand.

It's a easy insult to make, but not great at changing minds.

@ it’s not, but it’s funny to laugh at ppl unable to adapt

@@IkeOkerekeNewsDoesn't change minds but it doesn't mean those minds are right.

People are like, "yeah, I don't have time to learn how to get good at a game," then spend hours of their days wasting time doomscrolling or whatnot, haha

@@Neo-Metal17 the dude coping so hard lmfao

Hey, I ain't say nothing ✋️

@ i said everything LMAO

Sorry my mic isn’t the greatest everyone

Nice pfp

Thank you so much :)

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This is in the 8th chapter in the game before the final boss

@RisingSonic17 thx man

That's how that ship got started

I promise, if they do a subscription, it would be DoA

@RisingSonic17 If they' make Dreamcast games and other oddities available then it probably won't be though. Not for a few years anyway. Enshitification will take hold like every other service because people don't really want to subscribe to yet another subscription service do they?

No day n night cycle or color boosting is like whatever But not transferring boost to other levels was definitely a poor design choice💀