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Currently there are no plans to include alchemy cards for a few reasons. - Alchemy cards include cards that are modifed versions of paper cards with the same name, which could create confusion - Alchemy cards can be subject to changes/rebalances, which poses an extra challenge for how the database is currently structured - Many Alchemy cards include effects that would make processing match outcomes challenging If you are interested in seeing how Alchemy cards might perform in the format, I think running a side event in the discord would be the best way to try them out

@@MTG3CardBlind yeah im aware there would be many problems with implementing it, mostly just asked cuz i think an oracle of the alpha deck would be funny

> If I had a vote You do! Anyone can vote

The depletions would probably all get banned together if we were to vote on them based on some discussion in the discord. I think no card is a format pillar in 3CB because changing the format frequently with bans is part of what keeps the format interesting. However, the fact that white is so dominant over the other colors suggests it’s more of an issue with the current selection over the land. Personally, I think depletions being a reason to play a tapland is a healthy enough that I’d not really want to see them banned.

@GeoQuag Hi, thanks for the detailed response. Makes sense!

I think that depletions are good but not that good considering they are super weak to land destruction

Sorry about that, it was in the video "cards", but that is hidden beneath the description in a place people don't usually look. It is in both places now.

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Also Cleansing Wildfire can destroy basic lands, so pod not running those didn't matter much.

@@paavp I did catch this one while editting at least. What I really should have said was that Wildfire was relevant in all but two of its matchups in that pod.

It doesn't seem like it is, it redirect me just fine. Here is a different invite link though in case you are having problems discord.gg/8Dh3ngmZ (this link is a temporary one that will expire in 7 days)

It did not, I am actually not familiar with Caleb Gannon. This format is much older than this community though and its creator is unknown, so you might have played 3 Card Blind somewhere entirely unrelated to this community. A lot of the format's history has been lost to time, but I did create a video covering some of the format's earlier years here if you are interested: th-cam.com/video/2V23jDbz1Lk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=_9Tk-qxj0PTbw4VW

@MTG3CardBlind got it! I've got some homework to do :). I recall in this community we came up with a "loser's variant", have you heard of a version like this? Our idea was you swap decks with the opponent before playing, with the condition that your deck has to technically be able to goldfish an opponent that plays nothing. I found that version even more interesting and we held some tournaments. Not trying to derail, just share. Cheers.

@@toast_reconWe have something similar, though it's a side event for us called backbuild. Doesn't always run but usually we have some variant of it active

@@toast_recon Yes! People in the discord call this "Backbuilding". We have seen some hillariously attrocious decks

@@MTG3CardBlind got it, back building. I'll check it out and see if it's the same meta I remember us developing. I recall pumping mana from old every-other-turn lands into UW storage lands to cast some atrociously expensive bad threat - and there were still worse things to be doing. Fun times.

Can you help describe what makes Chancellor of the Forge a terrible ban so we can do a better job in the future? I will also say that Student of Warfare and Unwanted Remake are not that far off from Cenn's Tactician. Sorry to hear that some cards you were personally attached to are influencing your interest in the format. I would like to remind you that bans are intended to be temporary in this format with the exception of the most egregious offenders. I believe that Chancellor of the Forge, Path to Exile, and Cenn's Tactician are all the types of cards that are healthy to have banned sometimes because they overshadow many other options, but they are not so offensive that I think they will remain banned forever.

@ just too many bans. It’s not really fun when ever month we ban top decks and some months we unban cards that have no business seeing the light of day again. While the data part of the format is interesting the ban frequency part of the format totally upending the format is too much. It feels like the best decks just keep getting banned before anyone could adapt.

@@Living_End Your perspective makes sense. I think this month though, Chancellor of the Forge (especially in combination with Foil) is something players have had well over a year to adapt to at this point. Chancellor of the Forge + Foil is literally the most popular deck of all time, and Chancellor of the Forge itself is the third most popular card of all time (and have claimed pod and event wins across many different months). Either way, this is all driven democratically. There is a maximum number of bans every month, but zero bans has always been an option. You are certainly not obligated to champion your personal philosophies to convince members of the community to vote a specific way, but if you want to see fewer bans, sharing your opinions in the game balance discussions on the discord as well as consistently voting yourself is the only way you might see change. As it stands, the outcomes of every ban vote reflect the sentiment of broader community. I hope you continue to engage with the format and this TH-cam channel, but this format is built around relatively frequent ban list changes driven by a democratic process. This will sometimes lead to outcomes that are undesirable to you personally.

@@MTG3CardBlind I do think there's something to be said for reducing the number of ban votes. Whether bi-monthly or quarterly, it would give people a chance to consider the current meta once there's data and make them A more informed on bans and B more time to dwell on the current meta. While I do think a format like this needs a lot of card rotation just by nature, 12 ban changes a year is exhausting.

@@andrewmcdonald5108 I can certainly float the idea in the discord, but I am under the impression that the most entrenched and active members of this community prefer extremely frequent ban changes

I think the fact that is has been so ubiquitous for so long is part of the reason why it wasn't banned. Some people really like when a format has a "mascot card", just some card that feels like it's always been decent. Though, I will agree that I'm curious to see what a format is like without it.

I feel like it might deserve to go eventually, but it paired so well with wasteland this month that I think it’s unfair to not give it a chance without it.

Imo a meta without Hexdrinker is just a meta with another high-powered one-drop. It used to be Cenn's Tactitian, and when that got banned, it became Hexdrinker. If Hexy gets banned, it will most likely become Heartfire Hero or something.

Yeah, it is definitely a trade off. The challenge with going through them in order of Elo is that for something like Hexdrinker + Wasteland, I would then have to announce the deck 5 times separately, with increasingly less to say each time. Covering these in order of Elo would have utility, but I believe it would be at the expense of natural flow to the video structure. I think for folks that want to get a deeper sense of meta differences across Elo ratings, the website will be a more useful tool than the videos can be.

​@@MTG3CardBlind What about adding an overview of the decks to the congratulations screen? That way you have the information in a single frame so you can stop to look at it. The website does not have this 1-look summary either.

Not a format player here but: - Slagwoods Bridge is an artifact AND indestructible. Comes out tapped Turn 1. - Turn 2 Gleeful Demolition targeting the Bridge. Bridge cannot be destroyed but you get 3 1/1 goblins for it. - Turn 3 Serene Remembrance shuffling both cards back into your library. Deck is immune to Wasteland, goes long, and can destroy opposing artifacts if it needs to. Nice build!

@@malasdair okay awesome! Thank you. I guess I thought that because the artifact wasn’t actually destroyed that you didn’t get the goblins but it all makes sense now.

Probably not gaslighting, I think this was a genuine surprise for most folks

they shouldent have been so harsh to you or the card but yes me and most other people thought that deck was bad and ignored it. boy were we wrong

In 3 Card Blind, players do not lose the game for drawing cards while their library is empty. They still draw cards as usual if cards enter their library, they just don't lose the game when there are none left to draw.

If that was the case mix sapphire leyline of anticipation ancestral recall would be a high power deck.

@@danielchiverton4168just play the blue chancellor and Leyline of the void.

Although at a surface level banning Boseiju and unbanning Wasteland seems ironic, Boseiju is by far the safer card and has had a much higher average performance. Boseiju rarely has matches where it is a dead card because it can also destroy artifacts and enchantments. Even into pods that had relatively few nonbasic lands, it tended to perform reasonably well. Wasteland on the other hand can completely fail to realize value, which is part of why its historical average score is so low compared to how resented the card is. The purpose of the ban list changes was not to eliminate nonbasic land destruction, it was to make sure that when a player choses to run nonbasic land destruction, they are taking a meaningful risk when they do so. Boseiju was far too safe of a card, and Wasteland is not nearly as consistent.

I agree unbanning Wasteland is stupid, Boseiju is honestly more oppressive, you don't need to commit it to the board first and it doesn't only punish non-basic lands like Wasteland, it also heavily punishes artifacts, which are a big presente in the format

@@MTG3CardBlind I appreciate the reasoning, you make some good points and I understand it is hard to get this kind of nuance in the video. I would have thought that the 1G activation cost makes for such a significant deck building restriction that it outweighs the benefit, but I think that time (and the data from the tournament this month) will tell, whether I was right in that or not. I realize you have a firmer grasp on the data than probably anyone else and I respect that.

Yes, but most of it is at 2 mana. Soul Partition and Smallpox come to mind first for me.

Honestly pretty respectable for a deck that's core game plan is to give the opponent 2 free Time Walks