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When Shannon read the Glennon Doyle excerpt at the end!!!! wow so so so so SO good!!!!! Thank you both, this was a great episode!! (I think you can tell I loved it by all the !! haha)

Love this episode. If you were able to get jennette mccurdy on here it would be suuuuuuch a good episode

This is such a good podcast. The best yet in my opinion. I struggle so much with hating my body. I think it started with genius. I asked my mom why women have to have periods and bleed. She responded with Eve. She sinned and now we are cursed. I began hating my body then. Of course I don't think my mom's intention wad that out come. I have always been overweight. I always felt like the ugly sister. I am in need to deconstruct this. What a perfect time to do this as well as the world turns into weight loss adds for all the new years resolution season. What a good podcast to remind us to love our body. Learned so much here!

Nonverbal people communicate on their own all the time. Which someone who did a whole podcast like Telepathy Tapes about it should definitely know.

Gonna be honest, a few days ago I had unsubscribed to your channel because I am just feeling more like exploring other topics is where I want to be. But now I’ve re-subscribed! Because I feel like this is where I am at too! I have been looking into spirituality pretty much ever since leaving Mormonism because I realized I need there to be more than just the physical, science proven things. I know that atheism works fine for a lot of people but I am just not one of them. But at the same time I am being really careful to not be duped. With everything I have been learning it is so nice to be able to say, well I don’t think this resonates with me, and be able to pick and choose what I’ll believe in! I love that it is my choice, not some pre subscribed dogma that I have to believe in or I’ll go to outer darkness.

edit: you want lot of specifically female science educators? physics, neuroscience, biology, astrophysics, psychology, psychiatrists, secular theologists, biologists, marine biologists. etc etc. science communicators has been my main source of content for decades. there is a very long list of people that can be relatable to anybody and help you figure out what objective truth is. old male exmormon here. this is relatable to me too. people leave mormanism and now their personal brands become exmormonism. I quickly got tired of watching 4hr mormon stories podcasts. and I slowly got tired of talking about mormonism. even in exmo support coffee groups I'd rather talk about anything but our mormon stories. then part of my frustration with mormonism,. the hypocrisy, got refocused onto exmos and atheists. exmos... still hypocrites. atheists... still hypocrites. me... yeah I'm human, we're all kinda hypocrites. beyond it all I still value personal growth. learning how to be better. but my values are only MY values. some will agree and some won't. 13:24 and then we get into the VERY common exmo desire to believe in some woowoo shit. I spend arguably way way too much time watching science communicator content. over decades I have repeatedly learned that humanity is superstitious and confuses "scientific fact" with both science and fact. side note: there is a website all about fallacies and biases. www.schoolofthought.org/projects I think humanity needs spiritualism. it is a critical coping mechanism. but spiritualism shouldn't be confused with fact. its more like a personal realization that is relevant only to ourselves and our own mental health. for actual fact I advise people to start with the YT channel CrashCourse Science History. It is a long playlist but, personally, I don't think any education is complete without this. then just make science and neuroscience a common part of your science news. we are just wired to believe in our own personal experience of reality and that isn't the OBJECTIVE reality.

I love the idea of the path for your show. I am a person who left Mormonism over a decade ago and has made major changes in my life since. Therapy for me has been a wonderful way to process the past and not to dwell on it. Now I’m in the stage where I am further constructing my own beliefs. I am an atheist but a sense of spirituality or an underlying meaning I think can be so healthy. I look forward to seeing new formative ideas. Personally I don’t think a belief system has to be about God etc. but maybe just ways to connect with and relate to my environment that becomes a healthy way of moving forward. It will be very interesting to see where your channel goes!

i'm happy that you dug deeper into the telepathy tapes and were open to being wrong. honestly, this is so key to any reconstruction efforts. i'm a never-mo but was raised catholic and now i'm agnostic. there's probably something out there but i think it's mostly beyond our comprehension and i don't derive comfort, personally, from trying to force an answer or find a definitive answer. quite frankly, i think we can't know and i've learned over time to be comfortable with not knowing. it doesn't change the fact that life is going to have very difficult moments and very beautiful moments and the best i can do is bring good into the world rather than bad.

I always appreciate your insight and fun! Thank you Hayley! The stories of past cringy stories you've read from your audience has always been one of my favorite parts of show, but I don't ever blame you for wanting to try something new or move on to other things. Best of luck!

The podcast was not an end result. It's a means to an end and solid experiments. What you're talking about, regarding materialism, is Scientism. The blind belief in science. Seeing sceptics not being even bothered to listen to all episodes before they come to a conclusion. Considering there's decades of investigations into NDE and the similarities between cases and the contradiction in how the brain should react to reduced oxygen during NDE compared to what people experience is staggering.

This is going to be epic and I’m so dang excited. I want to hear it all! You’re amazing and this podcast is just going to keep getting better. 🖤

I would lovvve if you do a deep dive on evolution. As a former christian it’s just always something I dismissed. Your podcast has helped me deconstruct and with that I really started learning about humans and how we actually got here. One night my husband was telling me about how we are made from the same things as stars, we are all stardust. I started crying.

Thank you for this. I watched this twice. Second time so I could take notes. I’m on my journey of breaking from Mormon Utah patriarchy mindset. I’m finding it really difficult, and my mindset is hurting my relationship. It’s hard breaking my mindset. But this video is so great thank you.

I started the process to leave about a year and a half ago. Almost a year ago my records got removed. I'd been doing good emotionally, then over the weekend I found the letter I got informing me my records had been removed and while I was so happy when I got it, it was a sucker punch to me when I reread it and I've been all up in my feelings about it recently. I feel like while I'm so happy I've left, there will always be a part of me that grieves the friendships and relationships I lost when I left. I went from having a huge group of solid friends I did so much with, to how I don't really have a ton. A prime example is for my 22nd birthday I had me and about 15 friends together for dinner. This year for my 25th, it was me and three of my friends, and we're all in similar progressions and share a lot of the same stories. I'm also learning that sometimes quality over quantity too.

The premise of the telepathy tapes seems like… ableist… in a way? Like saying autistic people who are nonverbal are like superheroes? “Extraordinary and inspiring” are words used often to describe autistic people as if we are inspiration porn because our lives are “so hard.” Hope that makes sense. I was very skeptical when you posted that and I’m so glad you addressed this part of it!!

I will be the first to admit, I HATED thinking you would make this switch. I knew it was coming and I DREADED it 😅. However, I have recently begun reconstructing without really realizing it. After listening to this episode, I am now all aboard this train and can’t wait for everything to come. You knew what I needed before I knew. I’m forever thankful for how you helped me deconstruct, but I’m even more thankful at your willingness to help me grow! Huge hugs! 💜

Hayley! I’m so excited about this! I left the church two years ago and have been trying to reconstruct. This is going to be so fun!

I absolutely love this transition. So excited to carry on listening. I’ve deconstructed fully now, and I’m living a happy life with my Mormon husband. (He is legit the best - I know how lucky I am). I pleased that this transition is happening ❤️❤️❤️

Hi Hayley! I've been here since early 2023 when I was in the THICK of my own post Mormon journey. I have truly treasured every step of the journey and your podcast has gotten me through so much. Faith transition isolation & loneliness, grief, divorce, a cross country move out of Utah, loss, and so much more. I'm so grateful for the community you've built on Girl's Camp and the presence you've been in my life. This shift towards reconstruction feels incredibly timely in my own life as well, as I have recently really felt drawn down that path myself, finally feeling a pull towards spiritual reconnection and just a general discovery of purpose after years of Mormon recovery. I feel so aligned with this new shift and can't wait to see where it takes you! Just wanted to send some support and love from a long-time listener <3

I'm in a new stage of life, very different from yours because I'm much older, but I think a life well-lived should include nearly constant reconstruction. You grow up, set goals, perhaps get an education to meet those goals, start a career...and then perhaps within a few years discover that the fulfillment you were going for might not be there. Or maybe it was there for a while, but then it wasn't anymore. What next? You may raise children and have goals related to that, then they grow up. What next? I feel like being self-aware includes being willing to change gears, consider what else may be important, re-consider how time and money is spent to find something else. I think it's wonderful to reframe your work in terms of reconstruction. I'm looking forward to listening more.

I was hoping you’d sing “aaaaaahhaaahaaaah.” From wicked haha-the title. Idk if that was intentional. Love this!! This is the content I’ve been dying for.

We are excited for what will come next ❤

I am so excited for this shift!! I have been with you since the beginning and it’s been so incredible to learn and grow along side with you and the girlscamp community you have created. You are incredible and I can’t wait to see what you talk about next🫶🏼🤍

Came so fast when I saw you uploaded this!

Omg I love this so much! ❤ I’ve enjoyed watching you the past year as I’ve navigated my own faith journey and feel excited to find meaning with you 😊

your glasses are so cute!!

All religions are BS

I’m catching up and just watching this but yes to the twins episode! I can also talk about this forever lol. I have twin 4 1/2 year old boys! I also just had a singleton girl a year ago. Motherhood man 😅 love watching your podcast! 🥰

The Wild Robot was so good - highly recommended!

Wow we do not have the same taste in media at all 😂 but I liked hearing about your favorites

Omg, Barbara Kingsolver is my favorite author of all time. The first of her books I read was The Poisonwood Bible. I gotta get back into reading, too.

So glad you enjoyed The Wild Robot! It was my favorite of the year, even though I don’t have kids.

Ask those same questions in a university class full of Muslims.

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I’m not sure if you know the song by the Byrds, which is that same verse from the Bible I’m in a difficult season but hoping I’ll grow from it. Right now it hurts so bad.

Thank you for the Kacey Musgraves rec, I really like the Architect song. I’ve heard her name off and on but hadn’t fully listened to her music. Happy New Year to you and your family. ❤

This is my favorite podcast to binge and it is ungodly how often it happens

I remember watching Stacey in Divine Comedy while I was also a closeted gay student at BYU, and he came out shortly after I did, so it's been fun following his journey. It's awesome to see how far he has come!

One more thought. I saw Sister Barnes’ murder as representing excommunication.

Great conversation! It struck me how Mr Reed begins by breaking down their religion to get them deeper into his. Not unlike the way Joseph Smith claimed god told him all other churches were wrong. His use of nihilism is the same that many religions use to get people afraid enough to believe in things against their own common sense.

If your Dr hasn't mentioned, ask them about triptan meds! I have awful migraines and have meds to try and suppress them from even starting and those are lifesavers, but even if you don't need those, the triptan ones are for taking when it's first starting to come on, and it seems to help a bunch! (And can take with Excedrin/your cocktail:) I don't proselytize about religion ever, but I DO about migraine treatments:)

I get aura migraines too! I thought I was dying the first time I had one 😅

The better version of this movie is Miracle on 34th St. Think about it.

Hearing crazy stories like this is very validating. It helps me recognize that my stressful traumatizing experiences growing up Mormon we're not normal. Recognizing that helps me leave those experiences in the past.

Love your podcast! I’m an ex catholic, it’s interesting hearing that perspective on catholocism - Catholics (as far as I was taught in my conservative catholic education) do not worship Mary. It’s a common misconception. They honor her more than other Christian religions but I distinctly remember them telling us we were not allowed to worship anyone but the trinity! I would love to hear you talk to someone with a more conservative catholic upbringing, it’s far more similar to Mormonism in the strictness and intensity, I find myself relating to a lot of what you talk about more than your previous ex catholic guests have. I suppose it’s probably because it’s an older religion with more time to allow for relaxed followers. Anywho long time listener I love your stuff!

I can't listen to this. The up-talk speech pattern is just too much for me to take

i do think that assuming girls didn’t or don’t have p*rn habits can make those that do feel even more alone ! in or out of the church. but i do think it’s probably less common so it makes sense that ppl think that

Min 24 about the baby thing...The thing about that is it is highly illogical to come that conclusion- that the unborn baby is suffering due to the parent's sins or lack of church activity....#1 Jesus himself addresses a child with disability and says the child is not that way due to the parents though society at the time was judging them for it, so that conclusion is not even supported by the Bible or Jesus. And I know LDS are fast and loose with what they will believe about the bible...but it's Jesus. Call yourself a Christian or don't. Anyway, #2 There are many THRIVING babies born that are not LDS, not Christian. There are many babies who also suffer, are sick, or even pass away and are children of faithful Christian's and LDS members. That evidence strongly does not support anywhere near that family member's logic. The last thing I would share if they watch is we chose not to vaccinate our son, which is still a highly controversial issue. I knew that if ANYTHING went wrong, people would openly and most assuredly quietly blame us for that decision. It was HARD to say the least and super scary- so we had to be really sure of our decision. A week after our new son was born, us first time parents were sitting on the couch as we got news that family friends who had vaccinated their baby had lost their baby. Part of the same side of extended family that judged us for our choice. We did not say anything and hugged each other and our baby closer, thankful that it turned out ok for us. Anyway, my story is about the judgement that parents receive today, especially new parents, no matter what topic it is. And it is awful because it is a time when we need more support than ever rather than sideline condemnation and criticism. I am sorry they faced that.

At 20:29. Coke or Diet Coke are not forbidden. However some Mormons consider them not recommended. I know a lot of Mormon missionaries who drink lots of Cola products on their mission. Some also drink iced coffee and iced tea. I used to get this in Gospel Doctrine class when I taught Doctrine and Covenants. I would cite D& C 89 and the current Lord's Law of Health. There is nothing against Cola products. That is just Mormon culture. Same with food products containing caffeine. Caffeine is not forbidden in the Word of Wisdom.

Cheating on your spouse… “happens all the time in Mormonism” Really? Wow…