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Dustin Drews
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Rigid Reaming a Rifle Chamber. Omni-Adjustable Rigid Reamer holder. Drews Precision Process Update!
### Video Description: Chambering a Rifle with a Rigid Reamer Holder
Welcome to our detailed tutorial on chambering a rifle using a rigid reamer holder! In this video, we take you through the essential steps to achieve a perfectly concentric chamber with zero runout, ensuring optimal performance and accuracy for your rifle.
#### Key Topics Covered:
1. **Indicating the Bore:**
- Learn the importance of properly indicating the bore to ensure your barrel starts straight down the bore.
- Tips and techniques for precise alignment and setup.
2. **Drilling the Bore:**
- Detailed instructions on drilling the bore of the rifle using the Haas TL1 CNC lathe.
- Key considerations to maintain accuracy and precision during this critical step.
3. **Boring the Bore:**
- Step-by-step guide to boring the rifle bore to the spindle of the lathe.
- How to achieve a perfectly concentric bore that minimizes any potential for runout.
4. **Reaming the Bore:**
- Using a rigid reamer holder to ream the bore.
- Best practices for maintaining rigidity and precision during reaming to ensure a flawless chamber.
By the end of this video, you'll have a comprehensive understanding of the process and the importance of each step in achieving a high-quality chamber for your rifle. Whether you're a seasoned gunsmith or a beginner, these insights will help you enhance the accuracy and performance of your firearm.
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#Gunsmithing #RifleChambering #RigidReamerHolder #HaasTL1 #CNC #PrecisionMachining #Firearms #Accuracy #DIYGunsmith
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God Bless,
Dustin
Welcome to our detailed tutorial on chambering a rifle using a rigid reamer holder! In this video, we take you through the essential steps to achieve a perfectly concentric chamber with zero runout, ensuring optimal performance and accuracy for your rifle.
#### Key Topics Covered:
1. **Indicating the Bore:**
- Learn the importance of properly indicating the bore to ensure your barrel starts straight down the bore.
- Tips and techniques for precise alignment and setup.
2. **Drilling the Bore:**
- Detailed instructions on drilling the bore of the rifle using the Haas TL1 CNC lathe.
- Key considerations to maintain accuracy and precision during this critical step.
3. **Boring the Bore:**
- Step-by-step guide to boring the rifle bore to the spindle of the lathe.
- How to achieve a perfectly concentric bore that minimizes any potential for runout.
4. **Reaming the Bore:**
- Using a rigid reamer holder to ream the bore.
- Best practices for maintaining rigidity and precision during reaming to ensure a flawless chamber.
By the end of this video, you'll have a comprehensive understanding of the process and the importance of each step in achieving a high-quality chamber for your rifle. Whether you're a seasoned gunsmith or a beginner, these insights will help you enhance the accuracy and performance of your firearm.
**Don't forget to like, subscribe, and hit the bell icon for more expert tips and tutorials on gunsmithing and precision machining!**
### Tags:
#Gunsmithing #RifleChambering #RigidReamerHolder #HaasTL1 #CNC #PrecisionMachining #Firearms #Accuracy #DIYGunsmith
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**Visit our website for more information and tools:
DrewsPrecision.com
God Bless,
Dustin
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Changing it up. Improving the process. 👌
That is exactly what we are doing! Expect another video soon about our new chuck system we designed exclusively for chambering rifles. The after chambering about 100 or so barrels with this system i can confidently say this was the missing link in our process. Thanks for watching!
Getting around to viewing the different methods on barrels. This is a great blend of production, precision and feel. Can tell it's not your first rodeo! Thanks for sharing.
I definitely would not use this method if you’re trying to copy it. Our latest methods are far superior
What book would you recommend to learn how to chamber a barrel pls
Without knowing where you are at knowledge wise I don’t know where to tell you to begin. Gordy Gritters has a few educational things out. But I have found that much of the information found online and in book form is just regurgitated information from years passed. The process of chambering is laughable to do as a machinist. But to get consistent and repeatable results is a costly undertaking. I will be producing lots more videos in the future. God bless, Dustin
I personally like my TRAK -1845 RX due to its conversational style programming while still being able to upload cam software to the RLX control
did you check the bracket for sag? clamp to round stock zero on top the roll 180 and see reading on the bottom, to see amount of sag.
The bracket is extremely rigid. We have to draw the line somewhere. Short of using laser eyes and such I’m not sure what else a person could do to take this measurement.
I like it but seems that measuring for runout using a dial indicator as shown is a mute point as the rigid reamer would act like a boring bar. There is no give so it would cut concentricly no matter if it was on center or a smidge off. Seems you would have to measure the chamber diameter instead to see if it was cut oversized? Maybe you thought of this or have some way to measure this or confirm that it isn't? Great idea. I may try it. Thanks.
You are correct. You have to ensure it is square to the bore. That being said all the floating reamers on the market only float radially. Not angularity So if you’re not lined up perfectly parallel to the bore with a floating reamer the same thing happens. But no one thinks of this being an issue because it has the word float in it
@@DustinDrews1 Haha! I never see some of the old timers that keep telling me to use something like the "bald eagle" reamer holder because of the "feel" - ever post their runount on youtube for all to see. Keep up the good work! Have you thought about making your adjustable reamer holder out of a shank like Gavin uses and just putting 8 screws (4 front and 4 back) in it for adjustment?
Awesome video enjoyed it!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching
Love this idea!!!!! Thank you for your tip and "how to" video!!!
Glad it helped, now go get some coyotes!
Very professional machine work. I will be contacting you soon about my next project. Liked your video 👍
I look forward to hearing from you!
A lot of flaws in this guys logic. 1st of all he is chucking with a 4 jaw chuck directly on the area to be machined. For the barrel to be held ridged there has to a certain amount of chucking pressure. So when he un chucks that barrel there goes his so called perfect roundness! Even steel is elastic, see Robin Renzetti’s videos, he clearly explains this fact. # 2 he is using Interapid test indicator which are notorious for SAG! Simply reading the directions that come with these indicators is all in has to do to verify this. Lots of threads on the practical machinist website discussing this known fact. Master barrel maker William Large chambered barrels using a steady rest with precision roller bearings. To this day it’s the proven most accurate way. This guys barrels may shoot great but when people make perfect roundness and TIR claims I call BS!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. But When turning long or slender workpieces on a lathe, many machinists might assume using a steady rest is the best way to support the part. However, in many cases, clamping the part directly into the chuck without a steady rest is actually better. Here’s why: 1. Improved Accuracy: Using a steady rest introduces potential points of error due to misalignment. By clamping directly into the chuck, you’re securing the workpiece more rigidly and reducing the chances of deflection, which leads to better precision and tighter tolerances. 2. Consistent Surface Finish: With a steady rest, the pressure applied by the rollers or jaws can cause marks or deformities on the surface, especially on delicate materials. Clamping directly into the chuck eliminates this problem, allowing for a smoother and more uniform finish across the entire workpiece. 3. No Interruption in Cutting Path: Steady rests can obstruct the cutting tool’s path, forcing you to stop and reposition the part or tool. By skipping the steady rest, you avoid these interruptions, saving time and ensuring a continuous and uninterrupted cut. 4. Reduced Setup Time: Aligning a steady rest properly takes time and effort, especially when working with multiple diameters or shapes along the length of the part. Clamping directly into the chuck simplifies setup, reduces complexity, and speeds up the process. While there are situations where a steady rest is necessary (for extremely long parts or those with very thin diameters), for most applications, securing your part directly in the chuck is more efficient and yields better results. And I would bet money that If we used any type of measuring equipment that you could arrange. My methods would have less runout than using the steady rest method chambering method. God Bless, Dustin
Fantastic workmanship
Thank you very much!
What chuck system is that to be able to dial in radial and angular runout?
This on is the Tru bore system. I actually am going away from it. I’m moving to a design I built that holds the barrel more rigidly. The true bore is a neat system but it really needs a spider of some sort to hold the barrel from whipping and flexing the chuck. My lathe has to long of a headstock to do this. Thanks for watching
What made you switch back to a floating holder? Why the jgs over another brand?
I still prefer to do rigid reaming.
awesome!
Thank you! Cheers!
Makes me want to get my own CNC lathe. CNC programmer/toolmaker by trade, but all I program is mills for die blocks.
I may be asking you questions! I just got a Cnc mill. With a rotary axis!
What's the easiest sks barrel to do this too? I wanna chop to 14ish and thread 5/8x24 assuming its thick enough
Never been around a SKS I’m not your guy to answer that question
What rpm are you cutting the tenon? I saw 210 on parting but what about regular cutting like getting your diameter to where you want it? Sweet setup by the way!
Now 1200 because I’m cnc. But 550 when I was on the manual machine
Beautiful work, one day wish to get my tikka 6.5 creedmoor customized. Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
The reciever set you want is the Dark Storm Industries DS25
I will check them out
If you make a expanding mandrel to put in the bore it would be easier to indicate it because the indicator would not jump around in the lands and grooves.
That adds one more tolerance.
I’d really like to get my Obermeyer blank chambered and set. Not sure what caliber to do though. It’s 6.5mm
All the 6mms are great
How much dose it cost to do that
Unfortunately I do not feel the ruger SFAR is a platform worth building off of. I don’t offer them after toying with this one
Whats the best reamer to get for 6.5 Creedmoor pls
A sharp one… I like Manson myself
Hi, I cant seem to find any extra long indicators here in Australia only around 50mm long can you provide a link of a supplier Please
Long Island Indicators
How much would this run me?
750.00 barrel threads and return shipping included.
Very cool! Great video!
Thank you very much!
Great video! Would you be willing to share the item numbers for the tool holders and inserts?
Holders are Kenametal boring bar is iscar
Very nice work. It takes a bit more time, but I think this is the only true method to deal with any and all alignment issues except for maybe one so I will ask.... I see that the shank end of the reamer is held solidly. But how do you deal with the .0002"-.0003" clearance/play between the pilot bushing ID and the nose of the reamer? Although small, this gap can create an inconsistency when the indicator is run around the pilot bushing when you're shooting for .0001"-.0000" accuracy. Your bushing can also have .0001"-.0003" or more of eccentricity. Manson for instance, states that eccentricity of their bushings should be .0002" or less, but that's still enough movement to induce some error into your indicator reading. Or am I over-thinking it? Again, a very solid and logical design.
You’re over thinking it. The next chamber video will be using a reamer without a bushing. If you have everything dialed in perfect to the bore you don’t need a pilot
@@DustinDrews1 Fair enough. So having some play at the bushing, say .0002", has no effect and should be considered perfect? That's great. I guess I was over thinking it. Thanks for the reply. Looking forward to that video.
Ur a great machinest, great stuff 👍
I appreciate the kind gesture
U r a great machinest great stuff 👍
Thanks for the kind words
What’s the name of the boring bar
Iscar
Great work and fantastic idea, I’d love to learn how to do all this, it fascinates me, cheers Yogi ✌️🇦🇺
Thanks for the kind words
Nice one mate 👍 Did you bore the Morse taper holder in situ, using the lathe spindle?
No I just took a pile of measurements and milled it to sit flush and on center
I don't think he sleeps much with all that thinking /inventing going on. Nice work Dustin
It’s all done out of frustrations with common industry methods. Thanks for the kind words
@@DustinDrews1 You have this down to a science, fantastic work.
Great video - one small comment though - I don't think its a good idea to use the threads to test your reamer's run out. It would be best to design a tapered bar that would fit into the bore itself that could hold the indicators. How can you be sure that the tops of the threads are all within .000x" of each other (remember we are talking tenths here).. ? Anyway just thinking out loud here.
Take a look at McMaster-Carr at threaded taper pins. That is the direction that I would look at. Any way just a suggestion.
You are not thinking about this correctly… The threads have nothing to do with anything with indicating the reamer. The spindle of the lathe is turning around the reamer. The barrel just makes a simple place you clamp the indicator jig to. I could clamp it to the chuck and it wouldn’t matter… it all turns with the barrel any runout will be in the lathes bearings.
You’re not understanding it correctly…
You can mount the indicators on anything that turns with the spindle, it doesn't matter.
Really nice work. I really appreciate your videos.
Thank you very much! Glad you enjoyed them
Drew, you added the plus .002" to depth of cut for final reamer cut, total .009" on the final cut. .001" for crush and.001" headspace. You check go-gauge (good), then sdd .002" tape (bolt wont drop) and its good. Now thats all in the lathe, (hand tight) with no torque spec.. what ft/lbf are you using? This is not a hunting rifle i assume, and there has been on two occasions when ive run headspace of .001" where multiple factory ammo manufacturer wont chamber because of SAAMI ammo tolerance. Have you ever had to go back and add reamer depth? Do you always get consistent "crush" at your torque pressue?
This is all action dependent…. This is a high end action with no removable recoil lug. I get very little crush with them. But on like a factory 700 that has not been trued and has a factory recoil lug. I use .003 to .0035 deep for the stacking of tolerances. Thanks for watching
Nice work Drew. That reamer holder is genius.
Thanks for the kind words!
Part numbers for that little boring bar?
MGSIR 06-06W HOLDER
Also look into 6mm Pico tooling boring bars. MSCDirect
I will cut a chamfer the same angle as the reamer shoulder - when I started doing that it eliminated any chatter/singing I got when starting the reamer.
That makes sense! Using the case taper with these new basically strait walled cases. It don’t leave any room for error.
beautiful thread job
Thank you! Cheers!
Really nice video and really nice processes👍
Thank you! Cheers!
Where can I get one of those brown and sharp indicators you use with the 5 in stylus??
Long Island indicator
Hey got a question that indicator you say each line is a thou but that’s a 1/2 thou indicator so each line is a 1/2 thousandth.
I probably miss spoke.
Are tikka actions square
They are pretty true actions!
That's a flash tailstock setup mate. I'm impressed!
I appreciate it!
Great vid mate, subbed, cheers Yogi ✌️🤙🇦🇺
Welcome! Thanks for watching
Well detailed process, I've appreciated the detail and thoroughness. Where did you find the long indicator arm and did it take any special adaptation to mount to the interapid?
Long Island indicator. No just get the one with heavy springs
A fascinating video and nicely done. Have you ever bothered to rough out the chamber to save wear on the reamer and time? Just curious. I wish I could keep my shop so clean! WH
Yes I have, I have since switched to cnc. I only leave about .010 for the reamer to cut
I’m just learning machining. Are you using a spider on the other side of your headstock? Also, what’s the downside to threading with a live center? I know the steady rest might scratch the barrel, but there’s probably a way to mitigate that, right?
I don’t use a spider. My chuck adjust every direction required. In my opinion them way I hold the barrel is hands down the best way…. No chance of bending or scratching a barrel. Plus it allows to cut a new crown true to the threads and bore.