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My school has a splatoon team where due to schedule conflicts, we're sometimes forced into 3v4s to have a chance of picking up rounds. Our three most available all run tenacity in that situation. We call ourselves the Tenacity Trio

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I think the problem is when competitive players try to play it. They search for how to optimise their gameplay to ensure a win. Turf war is about having fun, and whether thats trying to get as many kills as possible or just relaxing and painting it's still fine to do so as the matches in reality have no consequences

maybe make it charge while you are dead also. making it a mix of special charge and special saver

I like the idea of making tenacity just an inverted comeback, where it just grants abilities while active instead of actively putting points in the meter. Though… Abilities in general just need to be reworked, I think. Beyond the balance and implementation of many abilities being terrible, I think the way they’re obtained and used also needs big tweaks. Abilities are too important, they’re more a knowledge check than a source of customization. Like Stealth Jump and value subs, or the mountain of bad and niche abilities (Running Speed or Intensify Action on Splatanas for example). Maybe a system where you get one unique ability, two “mains,” three “subs” and no dupes would work? And cut/merge a bunch of abilities… Merge RS and IA, SPU OS and BPU, the ink savers and recovery, bake in Stealth Jump, remove Special Charge… And then rebalance from there of course.

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Tenacity should be folded into either Last Ditch Effort or Comeback. It’s useless on it’s own, but if it’s combined with either of those two into a single ability, it would definitely be an improvement.

i still like running it with vunder i don't know why but since I manage to play around the shield and survive more things than I probably should, it feels like I get more value from it What if Tenacity also made allies jump to you faster, though?I I think playing into the whole Objective: Survive thing could be neat.

dumb idea from soneone who doesnt play splatoon: what if tenacity was based on ink coverage instead of missing allies?

Idk if it's been fixed, but during the splatoon 3 demo, tenacity would always activate when attacking on tricolor turf war, which was pretty sweet

I used bard R on mid tower just before rift herald hit it and my team thought I was epic

With the idea of QR and Tenacity being abilities everyone has instead of gear abilities, this reminded me of another idea I had a while back: having respawn times be determined by how many players are on a team. Similar to how the respawn times for Attackers in Tri-Color and during the Dual of the Dynamic Duos challenge are shorter, because the teams only have 2 players, what if only having 3 players on a team lowered that team's respawn times by give or take 2 seconds? And same deal for 2 or even 1 player teams, with the time removed adjusted accordingly (I know this would mainly apply to private battles, or the rare match that goes horribly wrong, but I think it would be nice.)

Tenacity should be basekit soo that players (mainly in turf) who could be susceptible to spawn camping could have a smaller chance of trying to get a special. also change it to something like Rally : being close to a teammate allows you to charge up special with the same numbers of tenacity. It makes it able to work longer than a teammates death and tries to allow teamwork or multi shooter spam, which has a losing MU to rollers and blasters

It should fill the special charge when dead as well or may teammates get some as well with a lower effect when multiple people have it

tenacity rework idea: when 1 of you teammates die, the rest of you team gains a ink res, bomb def and 20% of special charge bar, but this cant stack.

They should rework tenacity to just be when your team goes down, so if it ends up being a 1v1 because everyone else is dead, you can have an edge. I also think the devs should add abilities. At max effect, it should be 3 mains of ink resistance, 3 mains of intensify action, 3 mains of quick super jump, 3 mains od special power up, and 3 mains of special saver. And let it keep the passive special charge. This will support the several playstyles a player might do when stuck in a situation as well as reward the player for being able to stay alive the longest. I could imagine this working with backlines or certain sharking weapons.

I always just assumed Tenacity was an ability mainly used by backlines since they typically stay alive when the rest of the team does not, so they get the most value out of it throughout a match, but maybe that's just a splatoon 1, or Solo Queue kind of mindset

If only Tenacity didn't care about number of active enemies and activated solely depending on number of teammates alive it will be quite stronger. Not sure if it will be enough to consider running it but still much better than what we have now.

It's totally savable, it just needs some reworks. Easiest thing would be to alter the condition from "number of teammates down" to "number of teammates got splatted in the last X seconds". This removes the problem with quick respawn, since the time difference no longer matters. Teammate dies = 5 sp points. No strings attached. Besides that, just give it any other trait except Special Charge. Be it Swim Speed, Intensify Action, Ink Saver Main/Sub, Ink/Sub Resistance...ANYTHING that helps you win the fight in a pinch. Its called "tenacity" after all, so why does it grant something that only helps when you run away or are like 2% off from getting your special anyway? It should at least come with Special Saver so in case you die, you don't lose all the special points that you just gathered. Alternatively, we go in a different direction and make it a side grade to Comeback. Based on the number of splatted teammates in the last 10 seconds, it grands buffs to help you catch up and regroup faster after you eventually die as well. Special Saver, Quick Respawn, Quick Super Jump, Run/Swim Speed. The worse the situation, the faster you come back.

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This is the first video I’ve seen of yours because it was in my recommended feed, but it’s already incredible! I love hearing what others say about different topics in this game and I’ve always never been a fan of Tenacity. It should really be thrown out for something new in a future game. Congrats on 1K subs! Your channel feels super underrated right now so I hoping for a big blow-up someday!

itd be real impactful if you got charged immediately depending on how many teammates go down. imagine whenever you’re minus 1 player you immediately get 25% of your meter… you might even thank them for going down at certain times

I have an idea for a Tenacity rework that is... probably not very balanced if I'm being honest, but I do feel like it'd be very funny so I'm sharing anyway: What if instead of passive special charge while teammates were dead, it was reworked to give you a stacking buff to special charge up _and_ special power up? Specifically, the first time a teammate dies, you get +7 points of both abilities, immediately putting it almost on par with special charge up. A second death adds +6 points, putting you up to 13. Then +5, +4 and so on up to a max of 28 points of special charge + special power that doesn't go away when teammates respawn. The catch? You lose all these buffs the next time you die, _and_ the next time you use your special. So you get to charge up and fire off this superpowered special, but if you're aiming to spam special you'll get far less out of the ability than a playstyle that uses them strategically. Additionally, the risk of dying with special is even higher with this ability, making you a juicy target for the other team to take down. One last thing: if teammates are still dead when you respawn, you'll also get a stack of this buff, but only until they respawn as well at which point it goes away (you only get to keep the buff if they die while you're still alive). Unless you're in a situation with a disconnect, in which case you just get one stack permanently and always start at +7.

what if tenacity also had a special saver effect where if you get splatted you get progressively less special charge loss with each additional player who has not yet respawned.

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I was 10 second pushed once. We had them at almost their spawn, got wiped, and they won at 60-70% points or something if my (admittedly poor) memory serves me well.

I run tenacity because theres a good chance someone on either team is going to disconnect so if its on my team. At least i get something out of it

It has a use when you... 2:26 ... oh ok.

Why not just make it a direct small to moderate bump to special charge if an ally gets splatted? Something like 10-20 points maybe?

Consider: Tenacity - Headgear ability If more than one enemy player damage you within a few seconds of eachother, gain X amount of spec charge up for Y seconds or until fully healed.

HARD rework for Splat 4 Tenacity has the same amount of passive charge, It low lasts for 2 seconds after your ally has respawned. in addition. If your team is down players when you die, you get increased Special Saver based on the team difference. While the Passive build rate is active you gain Special power up.

3:08 I think Object Shredder is also a counterpick ability in any mode outside Rainmaker. If your opponents have no objects on their team, it's completely useless. The viability of OS heavily depends on what specials (and weapons, to a degree) are meta

on the topic of no reason to droop tacticooler for tenacity what if you run tenacity with tentacooler? couldn’t that help the situation there? also this sucks a bit seeing as tenacity was one of my favorite gear slots in splatoon 1

Random thought. Since Tenacity plays for your special and passively charges depending on how many is splatted on your team, give it special saver in case you get splatted as well. 1 main of special saver depending on how many is splatted on your team relative to the opposing

I’ll just buff the shit out of Tenacity. Basically, respawn punish anyone you kill while one or more of your teammates are dead And give your teammates damage up when they respawn OH! and it ignores the effects of tacticooler. Fuck you.

Correct me if im wrong but u even get special charge up automatically depending on mode and if u have lead or are behind. So tenacity even gets beaten by ingame mechanic which isnt gear dependant at all.

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Give it the comeback effect.

tenacity is only good if your paired up with dualies/other weapons that have a run-in-and-die playstyle e.g tetras run near full qr

yeah tenacity only has a decent niche in a world without tacticooler.

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One cool idea with Tenacity is make it similar to Last Ditch Effort in its prerequisite. Whenever your team is losing, you get a little bit of passive Special charge. Maybe 1 point per point you’re losing by, or in Turf War 1 point per .1% you’re losing by. Every, I don’t know, 5 seconds? This would stack on top of the passive charge you get during ranked modes.

I think if tenacity gave mobility perks instead of passive special charge it would be a lot more interesting

Random rework idea, that seems cool. Players jumping to you have a few points (like maybe 5) of quick super jump, and gain a short buff when they jump to you (like 5 ap of swim and run) for 4 seconds. It would turn a player into a weird beacon. Speaking which, beacon could get that second part as a buff. Not sure how good this would be or anything, but it’s an idea.

i think it could be saved as an mpu replacement, an option for the final player standing to “lock the f*** in” and clutch up. i could see a backline being overwhelmed when their tenacity activates, allowing them to charge up lethal blows faster than they would be able to otherwise, hitting multiple shots in a row, saving a game that would snowball into a loss otherwise. thoughts?

Why not just give Tenacity the same benefits as Last Ditch Effort? Turf War: +20% passive charge when "Danger!" is over your team. Splat Zones: +20% passive charge when enemy team is in the lead and not under any penalties. Tower Control: +5% passive charge for every enemy on the tower, while enemy team is in the lead. Rainmaker: +20% passive charge if your opposing team broke through your check point and you haven't theirs. Clam Blitz: Like Splat Zones, +20% passive charge when your basket is broken and the enemy team has no penalties.

I used to use tenacity in Splatoon 2 because disconnects were frequent in that game, and so if my team had a disconnect, my special charge would be constantly going up. Definitely helped me win a lot of games we wouldn’t have otherwise won 3v4.

I really think that Tenacity, alongside Respawn Punisher and Stealth Jump, needs to be replaced. The former two because they promote unhealthy play or are impossible to healthily balance, and the last one because it’s so popular that it really should become a core mechanic of Super Jump.

Tenacity also requires you to be able to stall the other team at player disadvantage to be effective, be it in neutral or with the special that Tenacity charges. Splatoon 3 is not particularly conducive to stall of any kind, even without Cooler the meta's brute force entry tools are stronger than universal defensive tools, seemingly by design. In Splatoon 1 Tenacity was actually a decent choice for backliners that weren't terminally addicted to Damage Up (though LDE/OG didn't exactly function back then), and even in 2 it was still useful for select weapons with poor paint but high survivability. In 3, the only survivable thing is Snipewriter, and Snipewriter kills the entire idea of Tenacity by being a paint god tossing out instant respawns to teammates. If I was reworking Tenacity into something worthwhile, I'd scrap the special charge mechanic altogether and give literally any other set of abilities as its effect. It all works. Both speed and efficiency in any proportion would do great to dampen the effect of being down a teammate by letting you do more things in a given amount of time, while stuff like ink res + QSJ would make you slipperier and thus more survivable instead. A funny idea would be a bit of QR as a Tenacity effect, making you match teammates' respawn schedule instead of staggering it and thus letting you either go for broke or cut the losses more easily in such a situation. On top of that, I would extend the effect timer for 3-4 seconds after teammate's respawn, since that's about how long it'll take for them to get back in action after the respawn.

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