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@@fabianrolandoquirogatellez1148 I don’t think his values were completely misplaced, but Chara definitely is not the greatest to idolize yeah.

@@kamera1890 it’s kinda sad y’know, he was feeling lonely and thought he could trust them. Not to mention also the fact that regardless of you being a jerk in a true pacifist route (by jerk I mean by being mean or telling rude comments) Asriel still thinks you’re “the friend he wishes he always had”. It’s clear that he’s been looking for someone who he could trust, a “true friend” but the reality is more disappointing. True friends aren’t real, most of them are with you for convenience or they’re just being polite and try not to hurt your feelings by not saying you that they don’t really care “that much” about you, that’s when you realize they weren’t “the greatest person” after all. Yep, monsters are indeed very weird. As soon as they barely meet someone, they already consider them as “true friends” it’s a naivety that will costs them their lives on a genocide route. My guess is that he was desperate to find someone to talk to. He himself stated he felt lonely, so I can understand why he put Chara on a pedestal and ignore their flaws. It’s kinda sad, it’s pretty obvious that since he was an only child, he saw Chara as a way to fill that urge to have a sibling or someone who he could trust and talk about everything. For later being disappointed about how it turned out, it’s almost like a one sided friendship, I see how much he invested on Chara he even made lockets for the two of them, so they could wear it, just for later Chara caring very little if not anything about him. That could also explain why once he became a flower decided to change his worldview. In one neutral ending he suggest to the player to just “go through it without caring about anyone” since after all the player will eventually lose contact with his friends and never seen them again. It’s clear that Flowey followed the advice he gave to the player. Once Chara died and Asriel understood that they’ll never come back, he decided to never care about anyone ever again so he won’t be hurt again. And also due to him feeling emotionally numb and not being able to feel the emotions he once felt when he was with Chara. He himself says that even IF that person was still there with him, he wouldn’t care about them at all as well. And the only think he wants now is someone with the same struggles as him but now as “Flowey” after he was disappointed about how the things turned out as “Asriel”.

@@kamera1890What I don’t get it is why neither Asgore nor Toriel mentions Chara as his “sibling” but only Asriel as their son. Toriel remembers Chara more as an old acquaintance than an adopted child. But the other monsters do address them as “siblings” ¿Does that mean the time in which Chara was in the underground was short enough to not form any personal bond with the Dreemurrs or them consider Chara as his “sibling” but also long enough for the monsters to address them as “siblings”? Isn’t that a plot hole? Chara may have not been in the underground for a long time as expected, if that’s the case, then doesn’t that also affect the bonding between them and Asriel? If the time was short that could explain why they were so focused on his plan than actually bonding with Asriel just like you said they were known to be efficient in what they do, so they knew that they needed Asriel in order to get out of the underground. What if they didn’t actually meant to free the monsters but instead have Asriel’s body in order to destroy the humanity? Let’s not forget that Chara and Asriel had control over one body, and they were as far as I can tell the ones who used more Asriel’s body, they even carried their one body, the only time in which Asriel could control himself was when he returned injured to the underground, and when he hesitated to kill/defend himself when the humans attacked him. Isn’t that a manipulative tactic? It’s like you tell someone what he wants to hear for later use them as an advantage, forcing them to be on a situation that they don’t want to so the other person can take control of it and do what he pleases. But why the other monsters said that they became “siblings” over time? Maybe Asriel was the one who proposed that idea to his parents and since they loved him so much they decided to follow that idea, so they’ll tell the others what Asriel thinks about Chara.

Can you even blame Asriel for being isolated and has no friends at his age other than Chara? Also, at the end, Chara is likely a wounded child mentally but is very good at hiding it. But is Chara even 100% evil here? At the end, they're just children. Ik this is corny af, but children are always the one who fcked the most when they're at difficult times.

@@Kakishirocream That’s an interesting angle for Frisk, although the lines revolving around Asriel feel particularly relevant as well. For the monster who disliked the notion of there being a “cap” to the memories, it’s quite ironic how as Flowey he saw it all.

@@kamera1890 he ended up living in his worst nightmare. Also “Frisk… you were the friend i wish i always had” just hits harder for me after reading the letter

@@Kakishirocream Asriel is my baby

@@kamera1890 That cutie patootie fluff boy doesnt deserve all that horrific pain, i want to give it all to a fr*ns shipper

@@fruitrings2238 Thank You! And for other games that use great Ludonarrative Harmony, this video got another comment talking about One Shot, which I think does this really well. For an example from me though, I think Omori is extremely good with using its game design to enhance its story at certain points.

I think the “Nothing Can Hurt Anyone Anymore” line is far more pertinent to pre-death Chara rather than Geno Chara. Geno Chara literally calls you a partner, and just wants you to erase this world and move to the next world.

@@kamera1890 true. But for some reason something tells me that a lot of what they say is to just hide their true intentions. As most people don't want to leave the game behind and that point and I think Chara knows that.

That’s not what I said though, I said “if YOU didn’t have to follow Adam’s every order.” I was referring to the Player, who is synonymous with Samus here in this case.

They're not a villain where did you get that idea?

​@@VioletGG4 Depends on the route.

@@somechupacabrawithinternet8866 I don’t really seem them as a “villain.” Because they’re literally a reflection of your desires. I covered this more in my last video though if you want to hear me explain that more in-depth.

​@@StarwayBunny??? They literally say your genocide.

Possibly! Although to correct one thing in this comment, we know from Asriel that when he absorbed Chara's soul Chara and Asriel split control of their body, and that Chara was the one who carried their own body.

@@kamera1890 Yeah. I imagine Chara wanted to get Asriel to fall in line by seeing humans mercilessly attack them

@@kyleb7974 I think that was a part of it, although I tend to be more charitable in this regard. I don't think it was just that they wanted Asriel to see how merciless humans were, but also that those flowers just genuinely had sentimental value to Chara. Chara is unfortunately a very vague character though, so it's hard to know whether their motivations in this regard were more pure or tainted.

@@kamera1890 I’d probably go with the latter but more so with good intentions. Their hatred for humanity was probably kept close to them. And when they came to the underground they were cared after by monsters who just so happened to also be harmed by humans. Perhaps this was Chara’s way of fulfilling their justice. The prophecy. And Asgore’s high pedestal of being the saviour and hopes of monsterkind.

I know! I've already seen some tweets suggesting this is for Asriel and Dess, or the other mysterious letter sender. DR fans will do anything but let us get any form of Chara content.

And the XP is 99999

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@@kyleb7974 That too

Attack 99 Defense 99 Too

I personally prefer TS!Underswap as well, but both fangames are very good.

Something that it also could be referencing (that I wish I included more in the video) is how Asriel might've also intrepreted that advice of being invicible, which would give more context to his stats in the Omega Flowey fight.

Perhaps the 19th anniversary?

19 is your lv when you fight sans

Can’t wait for the 19th and 20th anniversary

Absolutely yeah.

Chara is actually just a massive 999 fan

@@wesleyc5713 Cannon event, can see 🙏

I have not played PS!Outertale yet, although I've seen a lot about it

The Chara Grind never stops 🙏

I think that Chara can be both, I am a subscriber to NarraChara, but symbolically in the geno route specifically they are clearly meant to represent the overgrinding RPG player, your "true character."

@@rapidstang47 I loove Oneshot

I’m glad you enjoyed it so much hehe, and you cooked. This is likely why the Omori Manga has not been doing so well in terms of adaptation.

@@Averagebasementman I’ve had a ton of comments suggest this too, it’s possible although not really the point of the video

@@ZeksDeks This route will likely be similar to the Ruthless route in mechanics, although with a more hopeful tone (and probably less difficult encounters)

Mm yeah, since this was my first video I wasn’t used to adjusting my mic quality. TH-cam’s auto-generated subtitles are surprisingly accurate though if you want to use those.