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Why Are The Cybermen Better In The 60s?
A video discussion on why I personally think the cybermen were better represented in the 1960's compared to any other decade of Doctor Who.
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The Fourth Doctor's Unseen Adventure | The Face of Evil Prequel
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A quick video discussing when the fourth doctor first arrived on the planet Mordee, prior to The Face of Evil. Fair Use Disclaimer: I do not own any pictures/videos contained within this video. Clips & Photos used in this video are owned by the BBC. "Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for the purposes such as criticism, comment, ne...
The Most Forgotten Companions In Doctor Who
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A list of what I thinks are the most forgotten Doctor Who companions. *This is not an objective list; this is just my own opinion, so be sure to tell me your picks. Fair Use Disclaimer: I do not own any pictures/videos contained within this video. Clips & Photos used in this video are owned by the BBC. "Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fai...
Daleks' Invasion Earth 2150 A.D. (1966) Review | A Worthy Follow Up?
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Peter Cushing's big screen return as Dr. Who in the second Dalek film: Daleks' Invasion Earth 2150 A.D. Doctor Who & his companions are transported into the future, only to discover that Earth has been invaded by the Daleks. Fair Use Disclaimer: I do not own any pictures/videos contained within this video. Clips & Photos used in this video are owned by the BBC. "Copyright Disclaimer Under Secti...
Dr. Who & The Daleks (1965) Review | Better Than The Original!
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Taking a look at the first Peter Cushing Dalek movie: Dr who & the Daleks. Doctor Who & his companions are transported to a strange alien world, the planet of the Daleks. Fair Use Disclaimer: I do not own any pictures/videos contained within this video. Clips & Photos used in this video are owned by the BBC. "Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made fo...
Doctor Who Season 25 BLU RAY! ANNOUNCED!!!!
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Doctor Who Season 25 BLU RAY! ANNOUNCED!!!!
My Thoughts on The Pyramids of Mars - Tales of The Tardis Edition
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Just a quick video discussing some of the changes to Doctor Who: The Pyramids of Mars & what I thought overall about this new edition from The Tales of The Tardis. Fair Use Disclaimer: I do not own any pictures/videos contained within this video. Clips & Photos used in this video are owned by the BBC. "Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair...
Doctor Who: Empire of Death Review
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My thoughts on the conclusion to Doctor Who season 1 (series 14). Did this stick the landing? Is this considered a top contender for being the best season finale ever? Fair Use Disclaimer: I do not own any pictures/videos contained within this video. Clips & Photos used in this video are owned by the BBC. "Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "...
Doctor Who: The Celestial Toymaker Animation Review
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My breakdown on the controversial animation of Doctor Who The Celestial Toymaker. Does this authentically capture the look of the original production design? How does this compare to previous animations & is the this the worst in the range so far? The Doctor, Steven & Dodo have arrived in the realm of The Celestial Toymaker, a powerful godlike being that forces people into playing games for his...
Doctor Who: The Legend of Ruby Sunday Review
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My thoughts on the first part of the 2 part finale of Doctor Who season 1 (series 14). The one who waits is finally revealed! Fair Use Disclaimer: I do not own any pictures/videos contained within this video. Clips & Photos used in this video are owned by the BBC. "Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for the purposes such as critici...
Doctor Who: Rogue Review
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My thoughts on the sixth episode of Doctor Who season 1 (series 14) titled Rogue. Doctor who's take on Bridgerton. Fair Use Disclaimer: I do not own any pictures/videos contained within this video. Clips & Photos used in this video are owned by the BBC. "Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for the purposes such as criticism, comment...
Doctor Who: Dot & Bubble Review
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My honest thoughts on the fifth episode of Doctor Who season 1 (series 14). Once again another Doctor-lite episode, is this better then 73 yards? Are the character's engaging enough to make you forget to ask where is the Doctor? let's find out. Fair Use Disclaimer: I do not own any pictures/videos contained within this video. Clips & Photos used in this video are owned by the BBC. "Copyright Di...
Doctor Who: Destiny of The Daleks Trailer
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Destiny of The Daleks the opener to season 17 & quite possibly the most dull Dalek story of the 1970's. Now I present this classic Fourth Doctor episode transformed into a modern pulse pounding, grippingly suspenseful action adventure. The Doctor & his newly regenerated companion Romana have arrived on SKARO, the planet of the Daleks, but they are not alone. The Daleks have also returned to the...
Doctor Who: 73 Yards Review
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My thoughts on the fourth episode of Doctor Who Season 1 (Series 14). Is this a great exploration into the life of a companion after they have left the Doctor, or is this an absolute stinker? Fair Use Disclaimer: I do not own any pictures/videos contained within this video. Clips & Photos used in this video are owned by the BBC. "Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976,...
Doctor Who: Boom Review
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Doctor Who: Boom Review
Doctor Who: The Devil's Chord Review
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Doctor Who: The Devil's Chord Review
Doctor Who: Space Babies Review
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Doctor Who: Space Babies Review
Doctor Who: The Talons of Weng-Chiang Trailer
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Doctor Who: The Talons of Weng-Chiang Trailer
Doctor Who Season 15 Blu-Ray Review
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Doctor Who Season 15 Blu-Ray Review
Doctor Who: Horror of Fang Rock Trailer
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Doctor Who: Horror of Fang Rock Trailer
Doctor Who: The Daleks In Colour Review
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Doctor Who: The Daleks In Colour Review
Doctor Who: The Daleks Colourised Trailer
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Doctor Who: The Daleks Colourised Trailer
Doctor Who - The Church On Ruby Road Review
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Doctor Who - The Church On Ruby Road Review
Doctor Who: The 60th Anniversary Specials Review
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Doctor Who: The 60th Anniversary Specials Review
Doctor Who: The Underwater Menace Animation Review
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Doctor Who: The Underwater Menace Animation Review
UNBOXING THE FOURTH DOCTOR ANTHOLOGY COMIC!
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UNBOXING THE FOURTH DOCTOR ANTHOLOGY COMIC!
Doctor Who - Destination: Skaro Review
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Doctor Who - Destination: Skaro Review
Where to start with CLASSIC DOCTOR WHO!
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Where to start with CLASSIC DOCTOR WHO!
Doctor Who: Once & Future - The Union Review
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Doctor Who: Once & Future - The Union Review

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  • @Mark-nh2hs
    @Mark-nh2hs ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    The Quest is the Quest - as annoying as RoP "The sea is always right" 😂

  • @Mark-nh2hs
    @Mark-nh2hs ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Love Image of the Fendhal as it sort of reminds me of a 3rd Doctor story and you could put Pertwees Doctor in it and would work just perfectly lol

  • @johansmallberries9874
    @johansmallberries9874 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    60s era Cybermen are extra creepy because they look like a person being treated for third degree burns.

  • @Mark-nh2hs
    @Mark-nh2hs ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Sean Connery as the Doctor? 😂

  • @robvegas9354
    @robvegas9354 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    100% agree. Those 1960's cybermen are always great. Always good to see Tobias Vaughn and PACKER!!! getting a shout out. I do also enjoy the 80's Cyber Leader and his witty banter.

  • @Mark-nh2hs
    @Mark-nh2hs 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Did they cut the end where Sarah says to the Doctor "is Sutekh dead" to which the Doctor says "Yes". I'm just curious. Was the Hand of Sutekh all present and correct lol

  • @Mark-nh2hs
    @Mark-nh2hs 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I go with the Target Novel events as it make sense and nicely ties in with how the Computers is so confused about who it is, just like the Doctor was post regeneration

  • @bob_the_bomb4508
    @bob_the_bomb4508 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Why would the Vogons need to use gold as a weapon when they have their poetry?

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@bob_the_bomb4508 hitchhiker's guide, their poetry is only the third worst in the universe 😂😂

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@bob_the_bomb4508 these Vogans are are different species 😆

  • @richardruff8712
    @richardruff8712 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Have you slightly altered the video ? ... My favorite image now appears at 20:43...? Seems that 12 seconds have vanished from this video...?

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@richardruff8712 I had to cut a couple of seconds out. 😄

    • @richardruff8712
      @richardruff8712 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@thewhoview Ah, thanks... I thought I was seeing things... !

  • @timsmail004
    @timsmail004 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I absolutely agree, the '60s was the pinnacle era for the Cybermen. They were at their most effective in every way and all the stories from that era (except Wheel in Space) are solidly cemented among my all-time favourites from the show

  •  5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    The Cyberborg.

  • @Azzameen99AZ
    @Azzameen99AZ 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Laddie, your voice track is movie-quality. In the sense that I can't hear anything without turning computer volume to the max. And then intro music etc. blow out my eardrums.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@Azzameen99AZ sorry I had problems with the video. I had to record it twice because my mic died so as a result you have different portions at different volumes, it's all over the place.

  • @waynemcauliffe-fv5yf
    @waynemcauliffe-fv5yf 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Because the 60`s weren`t woke mate

  • @grahamdawson-lg5mq
    @grahamdawson-lg5mq 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    The First Cybermen are the best. I don't watch this new Who anyway. RTD has Lost the plot. Let's be honest the stories are completely rubbish. The Last two Doctors have been terrible. It's a pity. Can it be saved. Have you seen the new U N I T. DOCTOR WHO is FINISHED for now.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@grahamdawson-lg5mq To be honest with you, I don't really have much interest in modern Who anymore. I wasn't a fan of a lot of things from the Whittaker era & wasn't much of a fan of RTD2 either. I gave it a go, & it just wasn't for me, & that's fine; the show isn't specifically made for me; I know others' enjoyed it. I'm the type of person who, if I don't like something, I'm not going to continue getting frustrated & annoyed by something I no longer enjoy watching; I just won't watch it. I'm the same with modern Trek, though I can't deny that Picard season 3 was pretty good. The doctor who fandom can sometimes be a really negative place to be in. I have had a lot of hate & abusive comments when I was reviewing Ncuti's first season, & all I was doing was saying my honest opinions on what I thought of the episodes.

    • @grahamdawson-lg5mq
      @grahamdawson-lg5mq 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@thewhoview I agree with you . Picard season 3 was very good. To the last good Trek was Enterprise and my Best Trek DS9. Because you dont like new Who some idiots will attack you . But I still believe a lot of them dont like it. They are just saying so . The True Who fans have gone. The ones who buy the Merchandise. Doctor Who is dead.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@grahamdawson-lg5mq I adore DS9 I got the 1/6th scale sisko figure from exo-6. I agree with you, excluding Picard S3 I haven't liked any trek from 09 to present. Back to Who, it's a real shame that people can't say what they think about something without someone viciously attacking them.

    • @grahamdawson-lg5mq
      @grahamdawson-lg5mq 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@thewhoview Agree. Freedom of speech.

  • @lenlooksback7981
    @lenlooksback7981 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    It's funny but for me, the best Cybermen will always be those from the (much maligned) Revenge Of The Cybermen. Do very much appreciate Tomb, though - cracking entertaining!

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@lenlooksback7981 I have a lot of fun with revenge of the cybermen, maybe because it was one of the early fourth doctor stories I saw. I love it despite it's obvious flaws & plot holes. but I can't deny the fact that it's not the greatest portrayal of the cybermen. 😆

  • @David-zo7fb
    @David-zo7fb 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I so agree with you 👍 excellent video

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@David-zo7fb thanks glad you liked it.😊

  • @jamesomeara2329
    @jamesomeara2329 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I have watched sixties Doctor Who out of order, thanks to library dvds, and Tomb was my introduction to them, so that's always been my favorite. Need to see the Wheel plotline, don't know if it's at the library. And yes, I have not really seen old Who in order, but the low budget feel just seems more appropriate than some of the current stuff. Just mem

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@jamesomeara2329 I originally watched a lot of classic who out of order, saw them as the DVDs were released. You should be able to check out the wheel in space online. I watched it on dailymotion, it's a photo reconstruction on all episodes except for 3 & 6 because those exist.

  • @roybixby6135
    @roybixby6135 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Love modern special effects but the stories seemed so much more meaningful back then ... 🦘

  • @tom_4615
    @tom_4615 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    70s cybermen were just a bit shit and 80s cybermen were awful. Mental how much of a downgrade they were from the 60s

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@tom_4615 I like Earthshock a lot, but the Cybermen in that are a little bit too emotional. 60s was their best depiction. 😊

  • @jonathanmurphy3141
    @jonathanmurphy3141 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    When the surviving WHO was marketed to American PBS, in my region in 1985-'86, broadcast in movie format (like 17 Hartnell, and 5 Troughton),....there were no Cybermen episodes in the package. Only the clip of the trail in The War Games, of the enemies The Doctor fought. Three Dalek stories, one Ice Warriors. We had the Target novels, and DWM to see photos. Then the Cybermen stories vs' 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th. When "tomb" was released on video in '92-'3 -wonderful! The JN-T arranged "Years" videos, like the Cyberman one with surviving "Moonbase" and "Wheel" and the six "Invasion" linked by Nic Courtney on VHS....When the fan recon's, and how to obtain them, one of the first I wanted was "Tenth Planet". And the audio's on CD. We now have all offical Cyber' stories, with animation or episodes, except for the "Wheel" We are sooooo fortunate, all the efforts to find, restore, remake, and let fans experience.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@jonathanmurphy3141 I'm getting more viewers from America telling me their first exposure to classic Who. It's amazing to hear people's stories. we are definitely very blessed now. I love the fact that so much of missing who has now been animated, which is a great way for people to experience those stories for the first time. Really awesome to hear about you watching doctor who on PBS. 😊

  • @SoundwaveSG1
    @SoundwaveSG1 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    A poor man's Borg

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@SoundwaveSG1 they were actually created before the Borg. But you can't really compare star trek's big budget to doctor who.

    • @williampratt1066
      @williampratt1066 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      More like the Borg are grungy cybermen😅

  • @djm-3995
    @djm-3995 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    The Tenth planet is one of my favourite stories of the classic series. Not really big on new who. It doesn't have the same charm and appeal.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@djm-3995 that's perfectly fine, you can't go wrong with the classics.

    • @djm-3995
      @djm-3995 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@thewhoview what are your favourites from the classic series?

  • @tirex3673
    @tirex3673 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I don‘t know why, but I just couldn‘t get into „boom“ at all, maybe it was, because I watched it with the german dub, but by the half way point I was starting to beg it getting over already. Maybe it will get better on rewatch in english. I did switch to english for the rest of the season. I loved „73 yards“ for its atmosphere and actually leaving a mystery be a mystery with enough to theorize, but not enough to know. I also loved „Dot and Bubble“ and I don‘t think, it would work, if they were actually nice, as then the racism, that now been built up over the entire episode would then either be much more obvious instead of hiding amongst classicism, or actually come out of nowhere.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@tirex3673 fair enough, everyone is different & there's nothing wrong with that. 73 yards I found boring & the second half where it was a focus on British politics I disliked.

  • @papalaz4444244
    @papalaz4444244 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    because they were techno mummies who used to be human, whio still think they are alive nu who they had no dialogue and just stomped about and did almost nothing

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@papalaz4444244 way too robotic in modern Who.

  • @KismetMulhaneski-to3wg
    @KismetMulhaneski-to3wg 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    They were willing to take risks and still trying things out (also the [proto] Daleks were perfect and could never be improved upon) whereas even the silhouette of the Cybermen was pretty much fair game because they couldn't repeat the first costume because it was apparently a nightmare to work with (they did well in the Capaldi era to come up with a lightweight copy that in almost every conceivable way conveyed the Original) - these quirks also gave us many back stories for what the Cybermen were about and how they diverged without lots of story arcs or continuity errors during the decade which is great.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@KismetMulhaneski-to3wgyou made some really excellent points. You're absolutely right about those original tenth planet costumes were a pain for the actors to wear.

  • @masterdanthrax
    @masterdanthrax 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I loved Silver Nemesis maybe because I saw this as a 13 year old really enjoying dr who again and disappointed in its time slot as it should have been better received (season 25 and 26)

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@masterdanthrax hey that's cool, we all know what we like. 😉

  • @davids8449
    @davids8449 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    It's their army boots that lace up......... Seriously now the only Dr who worth watching are William Hartnell , Patrick troughton , and possibly Jon pertwee, and yes I saw them first time around

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@davids8449 🤣

  • @3rd_Doctor
    @3rd_Doctor 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Great video! Loved it. How do you avoid getting copyright struck?

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@3rd_Doctorglad you enjoyed the video. I have never gotten a strike just a lot of copyright claims, which are so annoying because the video is fair use. If you use as little video clips as possible it helps a lot. That's why I use photos mainly.

  • @fatdog1963rb
    @fatdog1963rb 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Now when I first saw this I was 7 didn't like what I saw. Now I do love it. Peter Cushing was a bit miffed that he was not regarded or mostly not remembered as being the second actor to play the doctor pitty.

  • @fatdog1963rb
    @fatdog1963rb 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    60s cyber men were better in every way. I like them all not struck on modern dipiction. Now I don't mind silver nemesis but I loved all sylvester mccoy story's well his first season was crap but not written for him anyway. Amazing Jon pertwee got no cybermen.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@fatdog1963rb yeah it would of been awesome to see the third doctor go up against the Cybermen.

  • @Jamie_E_Pritchard
    @Jamie_E_Pritchard 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I rather liked the Cybermen throughout entirety of the classic show, there was a progression in the design, essentially becoming more and more technological. In my opinion though they really buggered them up in Nu-Who (as with so many other things), and I don't think they've ever actually explained where the Cybus Cybermen went, or why our universe's Cybermen now look like them.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@Jamie_E_Pritchard definitely agree with you there, advancing & upgrading each time in classic Who. There's some plot holes in modern Who with the Cybermen, It's the same thing with the Daleks in modern who, after victory of the Daleks they would just show up without explanation.

    • @Jamie_E_Pritchard
      @Jamie_E_Pritchard 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@thewhoview I'm afraid this is part of the malaise of modern writing (or rather modern writers). They've become far too comfortable with not opening mystery boxes or bothering to tie up loose ends. Or (perhaps even worse in my eyes) hand-waving Deus ex Machina resolutions without any build up or logic after writing themselves into corner. Something which RTD is notorious for. Unless there is an insertion of something for the sake of the series story arc there's seemingly very little effort to take the history, lore, and prior events into account and how they may effect the current story. Of course now with RTD's return Who is transforming from a science fiction show to a science fantasy show, with emphasis on the fantasy, and when you're dealing with what is essentially magic no explanation for anything needs to be given. Just how he likes it...

  • @borusa32
    @borusa32 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Favourite Cyberman Story: its between between Sword of Orion and Spare Parts I think.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@borusa32 oh those are good picks. I love spare parts 😍

  • @normallynormal3573
    @normallynormal3573 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    My favorite Cybermen story is Big Finish's Warzone, a story with the 5th doctor, Tegan, Nyssa and their new comapnion Marc. It's horrifically brutal and one of the most harrowing stories I've ever experienced. It's incredible.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@normallynormal3573I haven't heard that one but it sounds like my cup of tea. Might have to pick it up next time it goes on sale.

  • @willcorlett7630
    @willcorlett7630 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    If there is one thing that made the old Who cybermen better, was that they were portrayed as individuals not as mindless stomp in time metal men. It played into the suggestion that there was a person or at least what was left of the person entombed in that outer shell. Beyond that flashy cgi does not make up for a good story

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@willcorlett7630 You're right, so terrifying, that's what made them work so well. In modern Who they're way too robotic.

  • @markwardel6751
    @markwardel6751 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    As an 8 year old in 1966 I clearly remember watching the Tenth Planet every Saturday after tea at my friend's house and being absolutely traumatised by the Mondas (walking corpse) Cybermen...still the creepiest version of this classic monster

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@markwardel6751 Sound's like a great memory. They very much feel like zombies in suits & it's such an effective design. 😁

  • @BlindTimeLord
    @BlindTimeLord 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    @thewhoview have you listened to The Great Cyber War from Big Finish? Its in the Audacity box set. Its the Cyber story I never thought we needed. and gives a lot of info regarding the Revenge Cybermen. Plus makes them make way more sense

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@BlindTimeLord no I haven't. I love McGann, but when it come to big finish, because they release so much new stuff it's hard to keep up with it so I cherry pick what I'm interested in. But from what you've described it sounds very interesting, might have to get it.

    • @BlindTimeLord
      @BlindTimeLord 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah it's good :)

  • @floydian2007
    @floydian2007 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    You are absolutely right 60s Cybermen are the best. You mention the racist tropes of “Tomb” which are true and uncomfortable from a decent modern perspective. However it I would say Toberman (played by the late great Roy Stewart, Live and Let Die and many other great roles), was the hero of the story. He doesn’t say much but puts on a brilliant performance and steals the show. My favourite is Earthshock. Probably because I grew up with 80s Who and just feel that story had all the great scenes and shock moments. I also like how they keep the human aspect through the glass jaw and more emotion which contrary to how they are supposed to be, shows that they are human beings struggling to become robots and suggests that that is just not possible. I also like how whilst the Daleks are supposed to be representations of Nazis and fascism, the Cybermen are extremes of Communism. I agree though 60s Cybermen fitted the times so well, especially considering the Vietnam War and how the US was desperate to break down communism in Europe and Asia, the advancement of computer technology in the 60s. I can well imagine how that would have played into the fear of young minds in that decade. Also when you consider the happy, flower power hippy culture the idea of monster, replacing their organs and becoming so robotic must have been truly terrifying.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@floydian2007 Earthshock is a terrific story, you have great taste. Watching these stories as a kid for the first time definitely leaves a lasting impression on you. You can absolutely see the allegorical messaging about fascism especially in the invasion, playing on the fears at the time & it works so well.

  • @jasongoswelluk7475
    @jasongoswelluk7475 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Plain and simple the stories were better than the crap they have now

    • @lenlooksback7981
      @lenlooksback7981 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Big time. All about the writing.

  • @francisorielly9698
    @francisorielly9698 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Love the Mondasian Cybermen in 'Tenth Planet.' Another favourite design are those in 'Wheel.' They were elaborate and towered over others.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@francisorielly9698 nice picks 😎👌

  • @Helen-ge5ng
    @Helen-ge5ng 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I watched the Celestial Toymaker as a child, and I found it very spooky and not boring! It made such an impression on me that I recall it well, years later. It was typical of the low budget, simple effects children's programmes that were produced in those days, fantastical, scary and hauntological - and with a claustrophobic element to them. Sapphire and Steel has it, too. I am grateful that these animations are being made, to replace those wonderful lost episodes. I am looking forward to seeing it redone in the widened scope that you reference. Some of the revisioned characters look interesting but not the dolls and Cyril. Cyril was based on the Billy Bunter character from a programme that was being screened at the time, which worked well as a shorthand for him being a sneaky little git!

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@Helen-ge5ng that sounds like a terrific experience. 😊 It's amazing how seeing doctor who as a child can leave such a lasting impact on you. 😁

  • @Helen-ge5ng
    @Helen-ge5ng วันที่ผ่านมา

    I really hated all the metallic stamping of the new Cybermen. It emphasised how robotic the new ones are. The older ones , with their weird sibilant voices are much more alien and frightening, with that element of body horror lacking in the new ones.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@Helen-ge5ng yeah they are way too robotic in modern Who & need to go back to doing more body horror with the Cybermen.

  • @ShaunCryer-e2w
    @ShaunCryer-e2w วันที่ผ่านมา

    The stealth Cybermen were far more creepy

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@ShaunCryer-e2w they were pretty cool 😉👌

  • @richardgregory3684
    @richardgregory3684 วันที่ผ่านมา

    If you like the Tenth Planet Cybermen, you really need to listen to the Big Finish story Space Parts. It's one of their best - it gves a backstory to Tenth Planet and is set on Mondas, in the last remaining city on a dying world where there's a plan on how to survive and a black market in body parts....

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@richardgregory3684 I have listened to it. I have it on CD, probably the definitive cyberman story 10/10.

    • @richardgregory3684
      @richardgregory3684 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@thewhoview Me too. It's one of Big Finish best stories. I'd really recommend the _I, Davros_ series too.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@richardgregory3684 my favourite from the monsters trilogy was Master, it's so good. Both McCoy & beavers are fantastic, I count that as cannon.

  • @richardgregory3684
    @richardgregory3684 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think the Tenth Planet ones had the best lines too. They weren't conquering monsters, they just wanted to survive, and have stripped themselves of all their humanity in pursuit of that. "Our brains are just like yours except that certain weaknesses have been removed. You call them emotions, do you not?" "Care? No, why should I care? There are people all over your planet dying and you do not care about them" Way better than the ludicrous Cybusmen going delete delete.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@richardgregory3684 you're absolutely right, so much more impactful.

  • @TheBlackcredo
    @TheBlackcredo วันที่ผ่านมา

    Agree about the 60's cybermen. They had a clear and consistent threat. I hated the 70's and 80's cybermen. They were just silly villains with way too much emotion. In the new series there have been mixed results, but at least they brought back their emotionless simple desire to convert rather than conquer. The Capaldi era I think really got them right as did the Whitaker era.

    • @richardgregory3684
      @richardgregory3684 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah, although I think the Earthshock cybermen were great. The costumes are terrific and they were kept a total surprise after being absent for many years. Never forget that ending where it pans to two cybermen saying "Destroy them. Destroy them at once" - totally unexpected, and kept completely under wraps. Not a hint of them anywhere. Unfortunately it was downhill from there - they got overused and were awful in Silver Nemesis (literally exploding on contact with gold). Although the scene where Lytton is shown partially converted in Attack of the Cybermen is very effective indeed. And brutal.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@TheBlackcredo Earthshock does a terrific job with the redesign of the cybermen's costume, still showing the remnants of what they were, but they were portrayed more emotional, you're right. World enough & time/ the doctor falls is probably the best the Cybermen have been in modern Who.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@richardgregory3684 Silver nemesis is IMO the weakest portrayal of the Cybermen in classic Who.

    • @richardgregory3684
      @richardgregory3684 22 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@thewhoview It's awful. The established canon was that gold plated their breathing apparatus. Here we got them exploding on contact with it - how can anyone be scared of Cybermen whoi can be destroyed by a gold-tipped arrow or a gold coin from a catapult? Absolutely stupid beyond words. They were pretty bad in The Five Doctors too...they were just portrayed as being terminally stupid.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@richardgregory3684 but the scene where they get massacred in the 5 doctors is great. 🤖🏹💥

  • @richardgregory3684
    @richardgregory3684 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I loved the Tenth Planet cybermen. Of all the versions, they looked the most like their concept: human beings who had had their body parts extensively replaced by machinery. Ironically, the small budget lead to what I think is the most effective costume design: these Cybermen still have what are recognisably human parts (such as their hands) and have a bulky life-support system. They're not designed as war machines, as th elater variants were. The cloth face immediately makes the viewer imagine what might be underneath it. The voices are eerie and recognisably human, yet inhuman: they are exactly what you'd expect, synthesised and mad efrom pre-existing human speech, so you get the strange intonations: not quite machine, not quite human either. The later ones tended to be much more like robots.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview วันที่ผ่านมา

      Totally agree.

  • @markparry63
    @markparry63 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Sorry mate but Pluto is NOT a dwarf star, it is a dwarf planet.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@markparry63 my bad 😆😆😆

    • @markparry63
      @markparry63 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@thewhoview It happens. My favourite Cybermen were in Tom Baker's tenure. Allergic to gold if I remember rightly?

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@markparry63 yep, something that was added to the lore after that. I have a lot of fun with revenge of the Cybermen despite its flaws.

  • @JeremiahEcks777
    @JeremiahEcks777 วันที่ผ่านมา

    a) In the 60's they addressed a very real ongoing discussion about replacing yourself with artificial appendages which people were afraid of (hello progress) and b) they were treated seriously and not like a cartoon. The Davies Era Cybermen had a catchphrase (DELETE) which made them childish, their design was not threatening at all (felt like a toy... which I think is the point) and then they had some very bad stories or stories where they were jobbed or part of other groups of monsters which dropped their lustre a bit. Nightmare in Silver tried to do better things with them but wasn't a great story so that failed. They were however really good in the Capaldi finish except they did one last story after it which was appalling and therefore stole it's thunder. I didn't see them during Jodie to be honest as I'd stopped watching and I've never wasted my time catching up but I saw there were Gallifreyan Cybermen and they looked so goofy...

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@JeremiahEcks777 yeah the cyber-masters in the Whittaker era were in my opinion, really bad. Capaldi's series 10 finale World enough & time / the doctor falls is the best modern Who Cybermen story. I don't mind the RTD Cybermen, its a different version of the Cybermen that aren't from our universe, but their catchphrase you can never take seriously. Let's just agree that the Cybermen are better in classic Who.

    • @JeremiahEcks777
      @JeremiahEcks777 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@thewhoview I agree that the Capaldi story is their best use in 'modern' Who. The Davies one was silly because of the catchphrase. I used to get annoyed by a fellow Whovian of my acquaintance who used to follow me around saying it just to get a rise. That it's annoying and doesn't warm the cockles of my heart (like a good old fashioned "exterminate") says it all! "You will be like US" is scarier anyway.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@JeremiahEcks777 Yeah, it definitely feels like they wanted to make them more like the Daleks & it doesn't work, it's just really silly.

    • @JeremiahEcks777
      @JeremiahEcks777 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@thewhoview I think 'to sell toys' really springs to mind when thinking about RTD's Cybermen. He loved the audio Spare Parts and you definitely see him and his team trying to capture that precise theme but not quite understanding what makes the Cybermen work. You see it with Yvonne - there's the horror at the saws but the horror of the Cybermen isn't that you get chopped up to become a big Dalek-esque catchphrase tank. The horror of the Cybermen is that they still have "human" parts! Hands in the Tenth Planet, mouths in the 80's etc. They are identifiable as humanoids. That's why the Doctor Falls got them right. Because we see firmly that these monsters can be like US if we choose to reject emotion and compassion. If we did those things we wouldn't march like Zombies but we would become horrible, immoral monsters.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview 17 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@JeremiahEcks777 perfect summary 😊👌

  • @StephenStumbke-p8y
    @StephenStumbke-p8y วันที่ผ่านมา

    I Love the tomb cybermen the most

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@StephenStumbke-p8y Troughton is fantastic & the Cybermen are so scary. It's such an awesome story & the perfect story to recommend to someone who wants an introduction into 60's Who. 😊

  • @leebritnell2405
    @leebritnell2405 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Doctor Who was better in the 60s.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@leebritnell2405 everyone has their own favourite. I think the 70's is overall my favourite decade, especially the Pertwee era. There's very few bad stories in the 70's. Though I have a lot of nostalgia for the RTD1 era. 😄