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The Down South Photo Show
Australia
เข้าร่วมเมื่อ 6 มิ.ย. 2021
A light-hearted look at the world of Landscape Photography and all things related. Australia's NUMBER ONE rated photography podcast. Watch here with all the pretty pictures, LISTEN where-ever you get your podcasts from.
Hosted by Camera & Photo Store owner and Photographer Brendan Waites, and Tasmanian Wilderness Photographer Cam Blake.
Each week the boys will explore the world of Landscape photography along with a few laughs, some crazy stories and plenty of advice on how to improve your Landscape photography.
We hope you enjoy the show and please don’t forget to help us; Subscribe, Ring the 🔔 👍
@camblakephotography
@camera_andphoto
@downsouthphotoshow
Hosted by Camera & Photo Store owner and Photographer Brendan Waites, and Tasmanian Wilderness Photographer Cam Blake.
Each week the boys will explore the world of Landscape photography along with a few laughs, some crazy stories and plenty of advice on how to improve your Landscape photography.
We hope you enjoy the show and please don’t forget to help us; Subscribe, Ring the 🔔 👍
@camblakephotography
@camera_andphoto
@downsouthphotoshow
DSPS - EP136 - Mine's Bigger than yours.
Episode 136 of the Down South Photo Show. Join your hosts Brendan Waites and Cameron Blake as we ramble about all things photography including: Sensor sizes, Brendan shoots some sheep, Dear Cam is baaaaack and ChatGPT drops by for a chat.
TIME STAMPS:
INTRO 00:00
AUGUST PHOTO COMP WINNER 2:25
BACKGROUNDS 07:03
BRENDAN TRIES NEW PHOTOGRAPHY 09:30
SENSOR SIZE 20:45
HISTOGRAMS 31:50
PHOTOGRAPHY NEWS 38:25
DEAR CAM 45:40
EPISODE WRAP 53:50
***WWW.DSPS.COM.AU - BOOK THE 2025 WORKSHOPS***
Aus Geo Photographer of the year link:
www.samuseum.sa.gov.au/c/npoty
Australia Geographic Nature Awards Winner - 2024 - www.australiangeographic.com.au/photography/2024/08/winners-2024-australian-geographic-nature-photographer-of-the-year/
To see more about Brendan's business -go here - www.cameraandphoto.com.au/
To see more about Cam's business go here - www.camblakephotography.com.au/
Find Brendan and Cam on Instagram -
Brendan - @camera_andphoto
Cam - @camblakephotography
The Show - @downsouthphotoshow
Also find them on facebook
@camera_andphoto - OceanGroveCameraPhoto
@camblakephotography - CamBlakePhotography/
@downsouthphotoshow - downsouthphotoshow
If you have any questions, feedback or want to contribute a question to our "Dear Cam" or "Horror Photo Story" segments please email cam@tasphoto.com.au
TIME STAMPS:
INTRO 00:00
AUGUST PHOTO COMP WINNER 2:25
BACKGROUNDS 07:03
BRENDAN TRIES NEW PHOTOGRAPHY 09:30
SENSOR SIZE 20:45
HISTOGRAMS 31:50
PHOTOGRAPHY NEWS 38:25
DEAR CAM 45:40
EPISODE WRAP 53:50
***WWW.DSPS.COM.AU - BOOK THE 2025 WORKSHOPS***
Aus Geo Photographer of the year link:
www.samuseum.sa.gov.au/c/npoty
Australia Geographic Nature Awards Winner - 2024 - www.australiangeographic.com.au/photography/2024/08/winners-2024-australian-geographic-nature-photographer-of-the-year/
To see more about Brendan's business -go here - www.cameraandphoto.com.au/
To see more about Cam's business go here - www.camblakephotography.com.au/
Find Brendan and Cam on Instagram -
Brendan - @camera_andphoto
Cam - @camblakephotography
The Show - @downsouthphotoshow
Also find them on facebook
@camera_andphoto - OceanGroveCameraPhoto
@camblakephotography - CamBlakePhotography/
@downsouthphotoshow - downsouthphotoshow
If you have any questions, feedback or want to contribute a question to our "Dear Cam" or "Horror Photo Story" segments please email cam@tasphoto.com.au
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DSPS - EP135 - WHATS MORE IMPORTANT...?
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Episode 136 of the Down South Photo Show. Join your hosts Brendan Waites and Cameron Blake as we ramble about all things photography including: Cam explains his system of makeing a photo. Then we PUNCH ON over composition vs exposure. TIME STAMPS: INTRO 00:00 AUGUST PHOTO COMP 2:07 BACKGROUNDS 04:05 CAMS METHOD OF PHOTOGRAPHY 11:49 COMPOSITION VS EXPOSURE REVISITED 23:00 DEAR CAM 31:13 PHOTOGRA...
DSPS - EP134 - Get high in Victoria's STUNNING High Country.
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Episode 134 of the Down South Photo Show. Join your hosts Brendan Waites and Cameron Blake as we ramble about all things photography including: Brendan has a long overdue visit to Victorias amazing High Country, Cam gets some snow and we debate Exposure vs Composition. TIME STAMPS: INTRO 00:00 AUGUST PHOTO COMP 3:04 BACKGROUNDS 04:41 AUS GEO PHOTOGRAPHY AWARDS 18:39 CAMS HUGE ANNOUNCEMENT 22:40...
DSPS - EP133 - BUSTED!!! PHOTOGRAPHY MYTHBUSTING DOWN SOUTH STYLE!!
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Episode 133 of the Down South Photo Show. Join your hosts Brendan Waites and Cameron Blake as we ramble about all things photography including: We myth bust a lot of photography myths. Cam shoots a Laundromat, Brendan shoots an image out of focus. TIME STAMPS: INTRO 00:00 BACKGROUNDS 07:01 AUGUST PHOTO COMP 11:20 MYTHBUSTING 12:40 EPISODE WRAP 44.13 WWW.DSPS.COM.AU - BOOK THE 2025 WORKSHOPS Mac...
DSPS - EP132 - Framing tips - Cam EXPLODES and second hand gear selling tips.
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TAKE 2 - Episode 132 of the Down South Photo Show. Join your hosts Brendan Waites and Cameron Blake as we ramble about all things photography including: Framing your photos, Dear Cam is back and Cam TEES OFF at a really selfish photographer. TIME STAMPS: INTRO 00:00 CAM TEES OFF 13:55 FRAMING YOUR PHOTOS 20:00 FILM PHOTOGRAPY ON A PHOTOTOUR 33:59 DEAR CAM 40:11 WWW.DSPS.COM.AU - BOOK THE 2025 W...
DSPS - EP131 - The Down South Photo Show.
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Episode 131 of the Down South Photo Show. Join your hosts Brendan Waites and Cameron Blake as we ramble about all things photography including: The Olympics, BFOP, why compact cameras are DEAD and Fiji holidays. WWW.DSPS.COM.AU - BOOK THE 2025 WORKSHOPS NICK CARVER'S website because he's ace - www.nickcarverphotography.com/ To see more about Brendan's business -go here - www.cameraandphoto.com....
DSPS - EP130 - DEEP SPACE PHOTOGRAPHY
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Episode 130 of the Down South Photo Show. Join your host Brendan Waites with special guest Rudy Siggs all the way from France as he tells us all about deep space Astro photography. RUDY ON INSTAGRAM - rudy.astro BUY ONE OF RUDYS PRINTS - store.cosmicnxws.com/collections/new-release/products/orion-nebula-poster WWW.DSPS.COM.AU - BOOK THE 2025 WORKSHOPS To see more about Brendan's ...
DSPS - EP129 - HOW TO CHOOSE A NEW CAMERA.
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Episode 129 of the Down South Photo Show. Join your host Brendan Waites and Cam Blake as we ramble about how you should go about purchasing a new camera. Our BIGGEST Dear Cam ever. WWW.DSPS.COM.AU - BOOK THE 2025 WORKSHOPS To see more about Brendan's business and book his August 2024 Bellarine Peninsula Tour - go here - www.cameraandphoto.com.au/ To see more about Cam's business go here - www.c...
DSPS - EP128 - WIDE - WIDER - WIDEST!
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Episode 128 of the Down South Photo Show. Join your host Brendan Waites and Cam Blake as we ramble about why the widest angle is not usually the best. We also talk about the photographers who put their lives on the line for a photo. Don't forget to check out Nathan Waterhouse's work - @n.waterhouse.photography WWW.DSPS.COM.AU - BOOK THE 2025 WORKSHOPS To see more about Brendan's business and bo...
DSPS - EP127 - CAMERA GEAR - USE IT OR LOSE IT!
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Episode 127 of the Down South Photo Show. Join your host Brendan Waites and Cam Blake as we ramble about why we have this compulsion to hang onto old camera gear. WWW.DSPS.COM.AU - BOOK THE 2025 WORKSHOPS To see more about Brendan's business and book his August 2024 Bellarine Peninsula Tour - go here - www.cameraandphoto.com.au/ To see more about Cam's business go here - www.camblakephotography...
DSPS - EP126 - EDITING - IT'S THAT EASY! EDIT YOUR PHOTOS THE SAME WAY YOU SEE THEM OUT IN THE FIELD
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Episode 126 of the Down South Photo Show. Join your host Brendan Waites and Cam Blake as we ramble about editing and how you should be making the right decisions when you edit. WWW.DSPS.COM.AU - BOOK THE 2025 WORKSHOPS To see more about Brendan's business and book his August 2024 Bellarine Peninsula Tour - go here - www.cameraandphoto.com.au/ To see more about Cam's business go here - www.cambl...
DSPS - EP125 - A NEW FILM CAMERA! & APPS RUINING OUR BEST PHOTO LOCATIONS FOR QUICK $$$’s
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Episode 125 of the Down South Photo Show. Join your host Brendan Waites and Cam Blake as we ramble about Digiography, new gear and boy are we thirsty! WWW.DSPS.COM.AU - BOOK THE 2025 WORKSHOPS To see more about Brendan's business and book his August 2024 Bellarine Peninsula Tour - go here - www.cameraandphoto.com.au/ To see more about Cam's business go here - www.camblakephotography.com.au/ Fin...
DSPS - EP124 - SPECIAL GUEST - MATT KRUMINS
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Episode 124 of the Down South Photo Show. Join your host Brendan Waites as he chats to Australian Photography Legend and all round nice guy Matt Krumins about life, photography and Matts baby, The Bright Festival of Photography. bfopaustralia.com/ WWW.DSPS.COM.AU - BOOK THE 2025 WORKSHOPS To see more about Brendan's business and book his August 2024 Bellarine Peninsula Tour - go here - www.came...
DSPS - EP123 - PHOTOGRAPHING THE GREAT OCEAN RD IN VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA
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Episode 123 of the Down South Photo Show. Join your hosts Brendan Waites and Cam Blake as we ramble about our AMAZING Great Ocean Road tour and show you a stack of photos from it. Cam's Steam Train Workshops - August - Queenstown Tasmania - wcwr.com.au/steam-under-the-stars/ WWW.DSPS.COM.AU - BOOK THE 2025 WORKSHOPS To see more about Brendan's business and book his August 2024 Bellarine Peninsu...
DSPS - EP122 - ART, CLOWN VOMIT, OR JUST POOR EDITING?
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Episode 122 of the Down South Photo Show. Join your hosts Brendan Waites and Cam Blake as we ramble about poor editing behaviour, Dear Cam is back and who gives a BFOP? Cam's Steam Train Workshops - August - Queenstown Tasmania - wcwr.com.au/steam-under-the-stars/ WWW.DSPS.COM.AU - BOOK THE 2025 WORKSHOPS To see more about Brendan's business and book his August 2024 Bellarine Peninsula Tour - g...
DSPS - EP121 - AURORA AUSTRALIS AFTERGLOW PODCAST & CANON ANNOUNCE ONE UGLY CAMERA 🤮
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DSPS - EP121 - AURORA AUSTRALIS AFTERGLOW PODCAST & CANON ANNOUNCE ONE UGLY CAMERA 🤮
DSPS - EP120 - HOW TO PHOTOGRAPH THE AURORA
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DSPS - EP120 - HOW TO PHOTOGRAPH THE AURORA
DSPS - EP119 - TASMANIA DELIVERS BIG TIME!
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DSPS - EP119 - TASMANIA DELIVERS BIG TIME!
DSPS - EP118 - DON’T BE CHEAP & NASTY BUYING ACCESSORIES = IT FAILS!
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DSPS - EP118 - DON’T BE CHEAP & NASTY BUYING ACCESSORIES = IT FAILS!
DSPS - EP117 - YOUR PHOTOS ARE AMAZING. JUST THE WAY THEY ARE.
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DSPS - EP117 - YOUR PHOTOS ARE AMAZING. JUST THE WAY THEY ARE.
DSPS - EP116 - WE WOULD WALK 500 MILES AND WE WOULD WALK 500 MORE... just to miss the shot!
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DSPS - EP116 - WE WOULD WALK 500 MILES AND WE WOULD WALK 500 MORE... just to miss the shot!
DSPS - EP115 - WOULD YOU DO ANYTHING FOR THE PERFECT SHOT? YOU'LL BE AMAZED AT WHAT SOME WILL DO..
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DSPS - EP115 - WOULD YOU DO ANYTHING FOR THE PERFECT SHOT? YOU'LL BE AMAZED AT WHAT SOME WILL DO..
DSPS - EP114 - CAM & OM SYSTEM PART COMPANY & FOCUS YOUR LANDSCAPES!
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DSPS - EP114 - CAM & OM SYSTEM PART COMPANY & FOCUS YOUR LANDSCAPES!
DSPS - EP113 - HOW TO SHOOT LIGHTNING! BRENDAN GOES VIRAL AND MUCH MORE…
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DSPS - EP113 - HOW TO SHOOT LIGHTNING! BRENDAN GOES VIRAL AND MUCH MORE…
DSPS - EP112 - THE THREE CAPES TRACK IN TASMANIA - DAY 3 & 4 SUMMARY FROM TWO PHOTOGRAPHERS 🚶📷
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DSPS - EP112 - THE THREE CAPES TRACK IN TASMANIA - DAY 3 & 4 SUMMARY FROM TWO PHOTOGRAPHERS 🚶📷
DSPS - EP111 - THE THREE CAPES TRACK IN TASMANIA - DAY 1 & 2 SUMMARY FROM TWO PHOTOGRAPHERS 🚶📷
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DSPS - EP111 - THE THREE CAPES TRACK IN TASMANIA - DAY 1 & 2 SUMMARY FROM TWO PHOTOGRAPHERS 🚶📷
DSPS - EP110 - WALKING IN TASMANIA AGAIN - preparation
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DSPS - EP110 - WALKING IN TASMANIA AGAIN - preparation
DSPS - EP108 - IMAGE STABILISATION FAIL
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DSPS - EP108 - IMAGE STABILISATION FAIL
DSPS - EP107 - YOU'RE TAKING TOO MANY PHOTOS. WHY?
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DSPS - EP107 - YOU'RE TAKING TOO MANY PHOTOS. WHY?
Hello from Bendigo Camera Club!
Hello Bendigo! - thanks for tuning in - BW :)
I'd like a "that's grouse" t-shirt too please
60mp 😂
Advantage to setting the white balance on location would be that you can use a white sheet of paper at the time, and then you have that metadata for when you’re processing, rather than guessing what it is later. I agree it makes no difference to the raw if you set the wb at the time or in Lightroom.
Ooh, rangefinder, fancy! I recently bought a Canon P and am in love. Couldn’t afford a Leica and wouldn’t do one justice anyway.
Nikon has the APC-S Z50 with twin kit 16-50 and 50-250
Hey Gents 👍😆 Great discussion this week.. Some really interesting topics. I have never in the past even considered which image the histogram was reading. An eye opener! On another matter, I think there's a market for some "Buddy" merch! 😉 Thanks for this weeks show. 👍
Cam, if Scotland is 18,000 km away, then the return will take the same distance, similar for Utah - there is a return trip. So you will be flying over 60,000 km - probably further than your car will travel in a whole year!
This is very true!!! I❤
Cam, watch out for the Glasgow kiss (headbutt)
Are they free?
Crapper entries.....is Crapper a word? 😁
@@warrendibb394 is now ;)
@@downsouthphotoshow 😂✌👍
Well done on the sheep dog trails, my mate does dog agility trials, would love to photograph them, Kodak advage cameras were great. OM has an em1miii astro came out in july.
It’s funny how internet experts love to claim you don’t need anything more modern than an original EM1 until they try photographing moving animals. That said I use the EOS R and its af is surprisingly good for its age if you can live without eye af.
Are you suggesting we are experts? LOL! #Godno!
@@downsouthphotoshow haha I knew you’d interpret my comment that way! No, just a general lament not aimed at you two at all. 😂
@@12symmo Thank God! We'd never want to be thought of as experts HAHAHA!
PS light is better than composition and gear matters. Given I have no skill as a photographer regardless, I may as well use good gear in good lighting, otherwise my photos would have nothing going for them. ;)
@@12symmo :)
How cool to see the sheep dog trials 😍 loved that bit. G’day to Jack too 😊
I laughed so loud about the bit at the end about F*&^% Buddy whilst I was driving that I nearly drove off the road. Can we please see F&^%$ Buddy on camera next session?
Is it BFOP or BOP? Timeline says BOP... LOL... enjoying listening to these podcasts... thanks for your great work
If light/exposure isnt the most important why is the golden hour blue hour so important. To me exposure is part of the creative composition, while not landscape a couple of examples are the bullfighter photos of Ernst Hass or the street photography of Fan Ho.
Should have got Buddy to fix it haaaaa.
Interesting discussions again. Regarding OM1menu settings- Tony Phillips (The complete guide to the OM System OM 1) has a great pdf book you can buy, with suggestions about settings and also a bonus excel menu guide with ideas.
Cam makes a very good argument for “light”. And totally agree on how powerful the histogram is as a tool.. it’s like a cheat code to improving quickly as a beginner, and a saviour with run and gun photography like weddings!.. BUT the poll was composition vs “exposure”, not “light”. I’d argue light vs exposure are 2 very different things.
Great show again, I was a member of a rescue squad, and people will never stop supr8sing me. Yes, blame, buddy.
I'm slightly guilty of not looking at histogram but I do have highlights turned on ...this helps also..shadows recoverable Highlights sometimes aren't
If Cam feels light is more important thing he'd not have to go to those same locations he likes because that light will also happen at home at some point - eg. the composition isn't that important for him. So the same light can occur at home but those amazing compositions won't appear there. However if you go get the composition then the light will come there at some point.
@@lesokey6307 you just mentioned “light” 4x’s - must be important to mention so many times ;) Obviously location is important to be able to create interesting images, but if you visit for example Cradle Mt and you get a great composition of a shot, but screw the exposure up and ruin the magic light, it’s going to be a boring and crap image. So you need to get the exposure of the light that is making the photo what it is, important and interesting, correct or you are just wasting good compositions. A good composition should be framing amazing light in a scene. I seen so many good images with strong compositions but just poorly exposed and poorly edited for the magic light that the image just loses all strength by doing so. But that’s ok, you keep working on compositions, I’ll keep capturing awesome light ;) CB
@@downsouthphotoshow Geez Cam - I hope you're just "lucky" enough to be in "the right spot" for when that "awesome light" turns up!
@@lesokey6307 history would show I am ;)
I'll get you guys to 1000 ha ha ....
I have listened to every episode, as soon as I hop in the car, I listen to the podcasts. Absolutely brilliant! See you at BFOP (my sixth!).
Can you make "buddy f%#$ed it" a full time segment ?
Enjoyed the show again this week, especially the part with Buddy and I watched the full version 😂. I’ve just brought an Olympus OM5, I’ll still keep my Pentax K70 though. I’ve found the manual and TH-cam very helpful when I’m trying to learn new settings etc., can’t wait to try out the ND filters and hopefully take some awesome photos.
A new segment 😂DSPS uncut 😂😂😂Starring Buddy yes I watched till the very end 😂😂. This week I might buy buddy a bone instead of a beer for you peanuts
He’d love that. We might have a mascot!
Hi Gents 👍😊 Thanks for a great discussion this week. Interesting that the exposure vs composition argument gained extra momentum! 🤪 Very much enjoyed the Buddy flavoured interruption to proceedings 😂 Great entertainment as always! 👌😃
@@malhaddon8414 thanks #1
@@downsouthphotoshowlol 👍😂
Drone laws for VIC 500m over whales, different states have different rules with Tass VIC and SA being the strictest ❤ www.wildlife.vic.gov.au/our-wildlife/whales,-dolphins-and-seals/water-safety-around-marine-mammals
If Cam is wandering around BFOP in September then he really is jet lagged, a month too early! 😂 Congratulations on your Australian Geography connections.
interesting
I’ve listened to or watched every entertaining episode of DSPS from day dot. 😊
Great show guys. As a Scotsman I can confidently say that Oz has nothing on Scottish midges...
What’s more important in a car, brakes or steering? It’s a bit of a that sort of question.
Airbags?
@@downsouthphotoshow true, no need for brakes then! 😂
Hi Gents 👍🙂 lost for words this week, (😂) but I did enjoy the discussion composition vs exposure. Seems there's a good case for both, dependant on the subject. 🤔 Thanks for your efforts this week (I think 😂). 👍😊
Great show again thankyou for your time
We can have Mal just like dickie knee a little hat and his red puffer jacket 😂
@@jennycooper7099 oh yes!!!
Shut up Cooper! 😳 Don't encourage the buggers!.... 😖
Shut up Cooper! 😳 Don't encourage the pricks! 😖
Congratulations Cam, well deserved on the Australian Geographic partnership
@@sjnorth5048 thank you 🤩
I’ve watched every episode and some of them twice! I love the show, keep up the e good work guys
Exp vs Comp - Brendan is so spot on and backs it up perfectly!
@@lesokey6307 he’ll be happy to hear that.
Till 16 minutes in, I thought Cam was wearing a swans jersey
Go Hawks!
Beautiful video💔💔💔
Yes, I have watched all episodes - first watched one about episode 20.Caught up on the back catalogue soon afterwards. Looking forward to attending BFOP for the first time - watched 2 years of the on-line version. Problem with BFOP 2024 will be choosing just a sessions to attend - so many choices.
I’ve watched all your episodes on TH-cam & been following you guys since the beginning. Thanks for putting together the great episodes.
Nice video💔💔💔💔
Hi Gents, 👍😊 I would like my name added to the looooong list of subscribers who have see/listened too, every episode. I found the podcast on TH-cam at Episode 6 (can't remember how), and then went back through the previous five. I have never been just a "listener", always a "watcher" and generally on a Friday night, or if for some reason not near the tv, first opportunity I get after that. 😂 Thank you for the great content! 👍😊
Awesome Value here great episode thanks 😊
Yes good quality framing makes a world of difference to your works presentation . I use to professionally frame all my work back in the days when my financial fortnight was triple what it is today on a $1200 pension but yes if you want the high prices for your work you must professionally frame . A man at previous Lions Club run Exhibition told me when I took my work in that my prices were way below the value of the images and I said no I'm comfortable with those prices because they were only in $100 spotlight frames . Next year I will be more prepared and do it properly professionally.
Listened to many episodes on a road trip last year and have since watched and/or listened to every episode. If I am in the car I go onto TH-cam later to check out the images. Love your chats and rants 😂
Listened to all episodes, watched probably 30, the first 98 episodes were binged in about two weeks after discovering your show and eagerly await each episode
Had my first ‘appearance ‘ on the show with my Scotland horror story in episode 100 and have had about 5 dear Cams so far