Hendrix Red House | Overplay and Underplay | Tim Pierce | Guitar Lesson | How To Play

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  • @peterjonstefan2926
    @peterjonstefan2926 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    THIS IS PASSION THIS IS HEART THIS IS SOUL this is the kind of guy i need as a teacher.

  • @Soulsilver75
    @Soulsilver75 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I think more than any of the amazing technique, excellent teaching style, top gear, etc. it is Tim's joy in playing that we should all learn from. Watch his face when he is playing out. That is the "technique" I think is most important to be a great guitar player and Tim teaches that best of all.

  • @keithmccaslyn2527
    @keithmccaslyn2527 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dayuummm, Chills the whole way thru that intro. dang Man. whew. Love that Jimi tune. I was 12 when I got into Jimi,I was 14 when I REALLY GOT JIMI. I"ll be 65 in a few months, yeah the journey's deep with Jimi. Lovin' the Vibe, Tim !! Axis Bold as Love!!

  • @BobK5
    @BobK5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Where would we all be without Hendrix 🤩

  • @HAIRYBIKER777
    @HAIRYBIKER777 7 ปีที่แล้ว +99

    Well that's a great start to the weekend. Turns out that me at my fastest and flashiest is what real guitarists called "underplaying".

    • @morganmonnot7330
      @morganmonnot7330 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      You haven't seen underplaying until you've seen my flashy side... lol

    • @nelsonw2096
      @nelsonw2096 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      same

    • @nesta8518
      @nesta8518 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Speed is not the most important aspect of blues at all.

    • @jjcevallos12
      @jjcevallos12 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lmao yes

  • @dbrew2u
    @dbrew2u 7 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    Damn Tim , that opening riff was so smokin that my monitor almost caught fire . Great Job as always .

    • @TheRiboka
      @TheRiboka 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That's because Hendrix came up with it ;). True power

    • @overtonesnteatime198
      @overtonesnteatime198 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Frank lol yep

  • @snowboarder92120
    @snowboarder92120 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There goes tim pierce absolutely nailing it.

  • @hotyogaauburn
    @hotyogaauburn 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love that you show me things that i have not seen before. I am so grateful that use 9 gauge strings. Space between the notes is what makes the music. The intro blows me away. You are an amazing teacher. Please keep making these amazing videos.

  • @Riv66
    @Riv66 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Playing aside, your ability to break it down and keep it interesting musically, is another of your gifts. Thanks,

  • @bobparsonsartist564
    @bobparsonsartist564 7 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    It really saddens me to even try to think what kind of mindset would "thumbs down" this teaching session. I've been playing 50 years and this was fresh for me! Thanks Tim!

    • @michaelsteven1090
      @michaelsteven1090 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Bob Parsons, Artist they’re trolls that just open up any video and thumb it down, for no reason..sick people..trust me..

    • @Rooster7six
      @Rooster7six 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed. I don't get it either

    • @controversialchristian2378
      @controversialchristian2378 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Guys with very very VERY tiny willies, I'm guessing. Sad really.

    • @ix-Xafra
      @ix-Xafra 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dunning Kruger effect?

  • @CalvinEdmonson
    @CalvinEdmonson 7 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Tim, you are a fantastic talent. I thank you for your generosity in educating those of us who need it. Well done sir.

    • @doncalloway136
      @doncalloway136 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Absolutely...dude is not from this planet ! Aliens have landed and are among us..HE IS ONE OF THEM !

  • @jakeerussell7496
    @jakeerussell7496 7 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    You have got to be the best guitarist ever.I have never heard anyone that has the kind of diversity and absolute masterful playing that you do. Your so good it makes me sick.( meant as a compliment)

    • @joshuaolian7732
      @joshuaolian7732 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      try listening to hendrix or page or beck. you will lose your mind

  • @my1after909
    @my1after909 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I generally HATE SHREDDING, but this is definitely something different, which might be mistaken as shredding. On the other hand, perhaps this is a pure, original example of it. So much of shredding, just sounds like... noise. This has something else to it..., musicality..., soul. LOVE IT!

  • @zbqb84a
    @zbqb84a 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    WOW! I wasn't even 2 seconds in and... IT'S ON! This guitar may be glued to my hands for the next few hours.

  • @Tolbiny
    @Tolbiny 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really valuable your insight into "free time". It's one of the things I've always loved about Clapton's playing but never really understood it until now. Thanks Tim.

  • @DaemonRicks
    @DaemonRicks 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The best part of it is how tight is your sense of rythm! Tastefull playing and very precise and technical!

  • @moreorlesslikeso
    @moreorlesslikeso 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    my impression within the first few milliseconds: that sound is positively awesome!

  • @evanmothersbaugh3859
    @evanmothersbaugh3859 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    one of the best guitarists in the world, i think

  • @PNWGuitar
    @PNWGuitar 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tim you are my kind of guitar player. All the ability in the world but you always manage to serve the song beautifully

  • @ReganRoss
    @ReganRoss 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    old video just seeing it, what a great way to take the notes a few at a time.

  • @yayo2211
    @yayo2211 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Tim you are such an inspiration. Thanks for all you do.

  • @Rooster7six
    @Rooster7six 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You're such an amazing player and teacher Tim! I really love the Hendrix lessons you do! Thanks for all your great videos!

  • @loveone4292
    @loveone4292 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Being a musician for so many years and keeping such passion is so good to see.A fan from Gabon(excuse my english i usually speak French😆😆)

  • @benjammin8300
    @benjammin8300 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    the intro to this vid is effing epic

  • @slimjim1891
    @slimjim1891 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you, that was beautiful! Always amazing to see how you master so many styles of playing. Red House is one of the songs that once made me want to begin playing the guitar. I'm not sure I feel ready for it yet, but this video sure pushed me a bit closer to give it a go.

  • @robertYTB78g
    @robertYTB78g 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Your happiness when playing is infectious :) Thank you for posting.

  • @Richardseid
    @Richardseid 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    You offered a great lesson on guitar “artistry”. And “emotion”. Fantastic. !!! Thank you

  • @joerye6271
    @joerye6271 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really enjoy the extra anecdotes such as 9 vs. 10 string gauge, and touching on the humbucker pick-up. Keep up the great work!1

  • @golfalot1
    @golfalot1 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    The outro lickery at 1:27 is out of this world!!!

  • @gergemall
    @gergemall 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sounds great! Her sister will ! Sounds amazing Tim

  • @modscientist9793
    @modscientist9793 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You killed it Tim! Awesome.

  • @northof50now
    @northof50now 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2.5 years later....I still can't play it up to speed. Still one of my favorite episodes in the Master Class. Thanks Tim. I've learned a lot.

    • @carlsmith1263
      @carlsmith1263 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Then you havent Learned a lot. Do you think they really want to teach you? Itd put em out a job

    • @northof50now
      @northof50now 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@carlsmith1263 On the contrary Carl. I've learned an immense amount. For the record, "they" is "he." Tim teaches every lesson, with excellent support material, excellent camera angles. Yes, he really does want to teach anyone who wants to learn. Unfortunately, because I started late in life - my fingers don't always do what I want them to. For example, I'm giving your a finger now, but that's not really what I want them to do.

    • @carlsmith1263
      @carlsmith1263 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why u mad bro?

    • @carlsmith1263
      @carlsmith1263 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Build your fingers strength up. There's many ways to do it. Your ass is probably your first thought though. Maybe your mouth next. Sadly the guitar will sit alone.

    • @carlsmith1263
      @carlsmith1263 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also master class is bullshit. "THERE ARE NO MASTERS OF GUITAR- B.B.KING".

  • @RjBenjamin353
    @RjBenjamin353 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow!! That’s why you’re a legend sir.

  • @michaela9817
    @michaela9817 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Jimi II!
    I recently subscribed to your Masterclass lessons and they are great!

  • @andrewt248
    @andrewt248 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ha! I'm so used to 11's. 9's feel like a spider's web to me. I can't even imagine tuned to Eb. Absolutely killer tone and playing there, Tim.

    • @raazazuul32
      @raazazuul32 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      andrewt248 same here,11s at Eb

  • @TheD33pthawt
    @TheD33pthawt 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Holy spanks Batman! This lesson is A-W-E-S-O-M-E ! I am subscribing to your masterclass as soon as I have the scratch!

  • @00xanawolf00
    @00xanawolf00 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another stellar lesson and walkthrough! I did a double-take when Tim mentioned using nines for soloing and tens for rhythm! I was like, "Whaaaaa?"

    • @LightningDogg
      @LightningDogg 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Makes sense. As I experience more joint pain in my fingers, I'm starting to go that way too. I probably should go to 8's as per Billy Gibbons.

    • @jameshughes6156
      @jameshughes6156 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      LightningDogg I had too. The Dunlop rev billy gibbons strings r great.

  • @MustafaBaabad
    @MustafaBaabad 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great play, very beautiful and best of all you like to share it with us, not note by note, but more to the overall view of the play. Thanks a lot Tim!
    Cheers from Indonesia.

  • @nesta8518
    @nesta8518 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This style of music begs for both if the mood takes it. Nice playing

  • @mikemachadomusic8555
    @mikemachadomusic8555 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You should definitely do more content on blues... sounds great.

  • @batmanandrobin250
    @batmanandrobin250 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Nice setup. Great skill. EXCELLENT performance.

  • @DonovanTekin
    @DonovanTekin ปีที่แล้ว +1

    More Red House! Yes!!!!

  • @joeyvaughn5643
    @joeyvaughn5643 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent lesson Tim. I enjoy your Detail ,so I subscribed ! Like your VIBE! Thank you!

  • @Zonydeep
    @Zonydeep 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    perfect example of why hendrix was amazing

  • @jamieforbes3661
    @jamieforbes3661 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    God the tones!!! Eargasms!!!

  • @jameswalkenhorst8945
    @jameswalkenhorst8945 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Masterful and inspiring. Thank you Tim!

  • @Deliquescentinsight
    @Deliquescentinsight 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think you nailed the tone, and the vibe of that piece Tim - the Hendrix performance I know is live, so he has that natural delay from the live environment IMO

  • @aclawrence
    @aclawrence 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love that tone Tim!

  • @Guitavatar
    @Guitavatar 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tim....you are dissecting this as if you were possessed by Purple Haze. Nicely done!

  • @HangGlidingSouthAfrica
    @HangGlidingSouthAfrica 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Slayin it as always Tim... great stuff! :)

  • @davekumarr
    @davekumarr 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That was awesome Tim. Thank you very much.

  • @jeremiahmountain2460
    @jeremiahmountain2460 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great playing! Great video Tim! I agree! I usually use 9's or 10's if I'm using a guitar specifically for slide. I've played up to 11's and I bend them(and 10's) out of tune and I feel the 9's stay in better/are more expressive.

  • @michaelbennett8981
    @michaelbennett8981 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great lesson! It's refreshing to know that you use 9's for lead. I struggle with 10's (for bends at least), plus I have a disability in my fretting hand. I think 9's could be the future. I was always under the impression that 10's offer better tone; listening to you play, that doesn't show. Oh, Hendrix is God! Love these lessons. Thanks :-)

    • @jameshughes6156
      @jameshughes6156 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Arcane Arts I was using 9’s as I just said to this person up somewhere in the posts. Hand issue. Had no choice wasn’t going to give up my hobby I love. I need to bend so went with Billy Gibbons thinner strings. Now I’m playing again. Not going back to 9s. A lot of guys secretly use thinner strings if u want to play for many years. If thicker strings make a man more of a man it’s ridiculous.

    • @D-NastyNoise
      @D-NastyNoise 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Check out 9 1/2 gauge. It's a happy medium for me on my strat.

  • @claudiobaglietto4943
    @claudiobaglietto4943 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    amazing, well done!

  • @kathleenhaupt174
    @kathleenhaupt174 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful tone and amazing playing Tim!

  • @123pwop
    @123pwop 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tim ! You just melted my computer !! Thanks.

  • @riffdigger2133
    @riffdigger2133 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like the balls to the walls, flash vs your choice which sounds to me, totally anemic. I loved your intro at the head. I come from the era of Clapton playing Sweet Wine, NSU, at the Fillmore West, with Ginger Baker, and Jack.

    • @riffdigger2133
      @riffdigger2133 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      And Jimi kissing Clapton on the cheek in 1966 when he arrived in England. “The fairest soul brother,” Hendrix spoke. As my drummer once told ME in LA, “Put some meat on the bones, Riff.” Lastly my comments are just feedback. Hendrix loved Feedback. “I don’t play guitar, I play amplifier.” (JMH) Good upload- good topic. Kudos to you.

  • @MikeEss1000
    @MikeEss1000 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video Tim. Thanks.

  • @josephetherton
    @josephetherton 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great lesson Tim!!! I always get something valuable from your videos. Any chance of doing a lesson on Rush? I would love to get your insight on what Alex Lifeson is doing during songs such as La Villa Strangiato. Thanks so much 🤘🎶😎

  • @heartlandrails
    @heartlandrails 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for your insight. Great playing and food for thought! There's no right or wrong in musical expression, it's just that. Hendrix never played this the same way twice either. For me, the Woodstock version was his most passionate, but the studio version with that great bass lily pad that Jimi jumped onto that low E 4th is the best! Nice studio BTW!

    • @hesch-tag
      @hesch-tag 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      What do you think of the 1970 Randall's island New York pop version?

  • @TheYjmfan
    @TheYjmfan 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tim that was superb.wow

  • @ivan-sq2nf
    @ivan-sq2nf 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Please up vote if you would love to see Mr. Pierce cracking "Izabella" - a good tutorial just simply does not exist on youtube.

  • @thpthp
    @thpthp 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another outstanding video. Thanks Tim!

  • @troymarshall5783
    @troymarshall5783 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Man that intro !!

  • @thaddeusproshansky5389
    @thaddeusproshansky5389 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Job Tim ! As always buddy.

  • @tbobmann229
    @tbobmann229 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    what a talent!

  • @BerndThomasSchuller
    @BerndThomasSchuller 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    So nice, thanks Tim!

  • @darrellphelps9552
    @darrellphelps9552 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    confident, inspired and willing to share, great-

  • @SouthMeckStunna
    @SouthMeckStunna 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    As always, the best tone of anyone on TH-cam. Great job Tim 👏🏻

  • @afrogalo
    @afrogalo 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    THAT WAS SICK

  • @bobankr
    @bobankr 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome! Finally! Thanks Tim!

  • @Ujeb08
    @Ujeb08 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man Tim that was some awesome Hendrix! Yeah maybe you over-played a little but it was still great. I liked it even better with some spaces in it. Just more soulful. I think that's why I really didn't care much for the solo's of the 80's. It became too "noisy" when the lead guitarists ripped it all the time and no "spaces". The 60's and 70's to me were the golden years of rock and blues. The feeling in the solo's

  • @lilguitar5150
    @lilguitar5150 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for talking about the hum bucker pickup in your guitar. Can anyone tell me which model it is...I've looked all over the internet today trying to see if Tim talks about it. Thanks! Great video!

    • @northof50now
      @northof50now 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Michael Tuttle Guitars. I believe Mike uses his own pickups or DiMarzio. Small shop. I think he makes them in a converted garage...one at a time.

  • @dr.buzzvonjellar8862
    @dr.buzzvonjellar8862 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The version of Red House on “In the West” is in my humble opinion, the finest blues ever. It’s also sonic evidence that Jimi was from a world other than this.

    • @orpon2998
      @orpon2998 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wow i thought i Was the only one. My absolute favorite recordning of all time.

  • @toddweller
    @toddweller 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome as always Tim!

  • @benperry490
    @benperry490 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks Tim and I was glad to hear you were a Johnny winter fan as well, he was my 1st guitar influence and then Billy gibbons, makes senses since I believe I am the same age as you (57) any way great video and how about a Johnny winter tune sometime , might I suggest "still alive and well" killer tune

  • @garylucas3046
    @garylucas3046 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Tim, you're beautiful and the mastery you've achieved is incomparable.

  • @CNCTEMATIC
    @CNCTEMATIC 7 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Hendrix's recording of "Red House" has a one repeat tape echo that's a bit longer than slap: more like 250ms. The echo is hard panned to the opposite side of the lead guitar. The Strymon Deco is an awesome tool to emulate it. Pretty sure that's how it was done on the recording: two reel to reel decks. Similar thing done with the vocal I think. The bass guitar sounds so massive on that recording. It gives the guitar a bed to travel all over. One of Eddie Kramer's masterpieces for sure!

    • @marktulk7915
      @marktulk7915 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      CNCTEMATIC - C..MATIC, Thank you, for the tech analysis. Most people, though, aren't CLOSE to your knowledge and "experience" (gag).
      To all viewing, you reason "a 250 ms" tape-delay "echo".
      Maybe I'm wrong, but a simple conversion : 250ms (1/4 sec) delay... would be key, for us dummies, very interested, but not familiar with the "studio shop-talk".
      Thanks again, for your tech explanation.
      Jimi's creative GENIUS, assisted by producer Kramer's tech + gear, had them BOTH, literally PLAYING-AROUND in the studio (tapes backward, echo, etc.) to create the MOST INFLUENTIAL MUSIC of the 20th century (incl Gershwin, Stravinsky, Bernstein, et al.).
      Please correct me, if I'm wrong...
      -MarkT, Michigan, US.

    • @taylorj6177
      @taylorj6177 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Very interesting, thank you!

    • @michaelsteven1090
      @michaelsteven1090 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mark Tulk oh c’mon. It’s the way it’s communicated, 250ms..I mean, you figured out it’s 1/4 sec..jeez

  • @marcelpacheco7878
    @marcelpacheco7878 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nailed the intro!

  • @davidevans3175
    @davidevans3175 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great job Tim. Can we get a little "Freedom" next? Glad to hear about 9s vs 10s. I feel the same way. I have 10s on my Strat and I'm trying to get used to them because you're "supposed to use 10s" if you want a pro sound, but I've always used 9s and that's what I'm sticking with.

  • @tqd-392
    @tqd-392 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    You AWESOME. Thank you for your work.

  • @spektor88
    @spektor88 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tim, re: 9s vs 10s, you might try 9.5s (e.g., D'Addario EXL 120+, Super Light Plus, 9.5-44). I find them a remarkably effective, if obvious, compromise.

  • @gew119
    @gew119 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Video! Can you break down that run at the beginning of the video?

  • @pakarakia291
    @pakarakia291 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome rakes Tim

  • @johnfair62
    @johnfair62 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome Tim.

  • @variousthings6470
    @variousthings6470 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    6:50 - How are you counting the alternating 11th fret chimes in that first bar?
    I think it's a 12/8 time signature, right?
    So do you count the 12 beats as even, straight notes?
    |1&2&3&4&5&6&|
    Or in triplets?
    |1-tri-plet 2-tri-plet 3-tri-plet 4-tri-plet|

  • @Tolbiny
    @Tolbiny 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Any chance you could do a lesson on "free time" blues Tim? It seems to add a sophisticated touch. I can't find a lesson on it anywhere.

  • @my1after909
    @my1after909 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Pretty red Strat!

  • @kenwilliamsvoice
    @kenwilliamsvoice 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn man! That was awesome!!!

  • @claessorensson225
    @claessorensson225 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Tim

  • @AlfonsoEmilioOtero
    @AlfonsoEmilioOtero 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are an amazing player

  • @mick2136
    @mick2136 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent my friend !!!!!!!

  • @NickGranville
    @NickGranville 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great stuff Tim. I'm a neck pickup player too. Pretty much leave it there 90% of the time. ha. Cheers

  • @MurderWalrus
    @MurderWalrus 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I need that glassy razor sharp tone you get on that bent G sharp coming out of the intro.

  • @grantwilcox3738
    @grantwilcox3738 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks Tim! Tasty tasty. Love it!

  • @somnium3644
    @somnium3644 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey Tim - fantastic playing as always. Would love for you to show us some of your stuff off of Dweezil's "Confessions" album - especially your solo part on the tune "Fwak" - that phrasing is unbelievably tasty!

  • @stskjelmose
    @stskjelmose ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you Tim 😊 Would you please do a lesson on Red House from "In the west" recorded at San Diego Sports Arena 5/24/69 🙏 it's by far my favourite version with Jimi 🔥

  • @Lousoriano26
    @Lousoriano26 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    hey tim nice playing

  • @gerthie
    @gerthie 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic

  • @nerotikzombie
    @nerotikzombie 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tim - Great Video! I'm currently learning this in our band. PLEASE!! Where did you get that AWESOME Backing Track?!?!?!?!?!?